Open 908: Aureal Is Hoarding All The Game Names | Game Over

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ugh I TOLD you not to watch me

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VOTE: political clout

serious vote

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Political Clout/Klick mafia team is a damn shame but that's how it goes sometimes

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this is gonna be one of those games where I lurk and shitpost but have low-key perfect reads, get eliminated d1, then everyone forgets and roasts me postgame isn't it

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Mmmm. Roast duck.

VOTE: Dannflor

I wonder if we had the same thought

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why’d you make 12

why am I trying to solve for peoples alignments? Probably because I don't know their alignments.

I think 12 does the opposite of help solve for people's alignments!!

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VOTE: political clout

serious vote

large normal 244 as scum you vote fairly quickly also you jump into the game fairly quickly as scum pretending to give reads like in mini normal 2311in open 905 as town you are fairly jokey and memey and don't vote until your 18th post. Are you town mr duck?

in large normal stoooooppppp

I think my play is a better indicator of my mood than my alignment tbh

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VOTE: political clout

serious vote

Serious duck face.

this is rly cute


VOTE: Black

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this is gonna be one of those games where I lurk and shitpost but have low-key perfect reads, get eliminated d1, then everyone forgets and roasts me postgame isn't it

Welcome to my life

what's ur fav song atm?

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Also since you are here what do you think about scum habits? will they change or stay the same?

I think it largely depends on the player and the habit. I think some scum habits are more prevalent than others

I'm not really inclined to believe your page 1 meta case tbh

I was 50/50 on the implo meta case, I do think my snapvote was low-key excellent, but I think his meta read on me was a joke

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VOTE: Klick

I kind of don't like that vote

also aside from a maybe Black town am not getting much out of this yet

why black Town?

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I know I'm abandoning my entire earlier god tier solve but black/cjv is the scumteam

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klick/ceejay on this page is scum theatre

eh maybe I actually had this frantic moment where I wondered if it was towny for both of them before rereading cjv's posts and realising I'm not in that reality rn

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This line, black. It seems like something you’re pushing because you think you should be pushing something rather than because you think it’s going to give you real ai information. Am I wrong?

Yeah you're wrong. I'm not even pushing anything there

why not?

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i broadly like bingle's takes. i have no reads. apparently a lot is riding on what words i decide to type right now though so if it's better for me to have reads then i actually have reads

hi implosion

how do you craft such an objectively perfect opening post in a gamestate which is so fascinated by the concept of your opening post

pocketing irl btw

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mmm I think I agree Black feels scummy

just had to check which scummy pop-in I voted and was v pleased to see it was black

that read is ageing well

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In contrast with last game when everything felt narrative-based and specifically driven towards some goal

I think I'm about 72 hours from even beginning to have thoughts like this about dann

and about 72 years from relieving my paranoia that he is the deepwolf

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I am lightly town reading PC's posts and i think 22 is a self-righteous townie sort of clapback

i also think PC's alignment might become clearer over time with the way he's choosing to approach this game

+1 all of this I'm just town binning PC until I don't feel like it anymore

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generally you're making a fair number of posts but it doesn't really feel like you're trying to find scum yet, you're still sitting on your first RVS vote too. this is all like *fine* it's still early but idk some stuff has happened now

This feels eerily similar to the push you made against me in Normal 1102. Granted you were scum in that game so it was in bad faith but I'm surprised you seem to have an issue with my early game pacing after that game. I'm doing my thang like I normally do

I also felt like your reaction to bingle was more focused on dismantling his reason for pushing you rather than like, using the opportunity to try to get inside bingle's mind

I have some thoughts about the way Bingle framed my "line of questioning" and my "push" but I haven't really come to a conclusion on the situation yet

Do you have any inklings of reads yet?

Lean town on PC, lean scum on the worst. I think their vote feels the worst (heh) out of everyone on me

can you say more about why PC's performativity seems like it comes from town?

Posting something pointless just to show that I had a townie thought process is something I would do as town but not so much as scum

can you expand on your Bingle thoughts? idm if you have a conclusion or not (half the time having a conclusion is boring)

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There's not much there other than I feel like the way they re-entered the thread and got on my wagon feels opportunistic

I do like 91 though because I can relate

if it helps, I snap voted you after your first or second post or something & did not expect it to be a wagon

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hhhmmmmm

VOTE: Bingle

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I went to write up a post calling out Black's read trajectory on PC then realised it was just my read trajectory on PC w different words in it

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VOTE: Bingle I like this more right now

I still want you to explain why your gut reaction to Black was town

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I'm so obviously town I figured everyone sensed it and implosion was just picking up on that.

I appreciate Black pretending to scumread me in the hopes someone else will be n1'd but it's simply futile.

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VOTE: Klick

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why

when Bingle posted again I remembered that wagoning Bingle for tenuous reasons early on day one is kind of like, a tepid approach to solving Bingle's alignment

I also didn't really like cjv joining that wagon w/o really engaging with anything else and honestly I could vote cjv but I don't think it's time yet.

which leads me to look for a better option and I haven't worked either you or Klick out yet so joining you seemed like a treat

wbu

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not sure rn I'm not sure I have a formula for Bingle. I just know that pressuring him in this gamestate isn't likely to accomplish anything.

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Klick I think your read is super nuanced and detailed and it feels a little unnatural

philosophically, I feel the more nuanced and detailed a thought is, the more likely it is to come from an actual human thought

are there parts of it that feel unnatural or forced to you?

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what is your read on the worst?

Not too sure. Probably back to null. I've liked some of his posting since he left my wagon

I wrote this up last night then deleted it but ah well: do you have any (detailed) thoughts about this game which aren't retaliatory against how people have treated you

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there's a lot of players I don't have sorted and Black is going to become clearer whether she's wagoned or not

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It seems to me that your style of reading ironically favours players who prioritise bring charismatic.

A trap I fell into for years tbf

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the worst warning about charisma is ironic

I started out with like a very anti-charismatic but earnest read on Black, and have pivoted to a more charismatic but lazier read on her. She went from lightly scumreading me to null reading me & voting elsewhere. It stood out

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I like that description and that's pretty much how I feel about you any time I townread you

it's a little less to do with the worst specifically and more just the state of the game

I don't really have a read I feel good about yet and while slots like Bingle and the worst have had decent posting that alone isn't really enough for me to throw them in the town bin without hesitation

I thought I had a town bin in Political Clout but I didn't really like how PC returned to the thread

same & same

I'm in another position where, in a vacuum, you're the player I think is the towniest rn and I hate that so much.

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I keep feeling vaguely positive about individual worst posts but then feeling uncomfortable saying that they couldn't be posting them as scum

fair af honestly

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it's me tho

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Just looking at my play so far & thinking about a few of the people in the spec chat I can sense a duck hunt

If it's not me it's absolutely you though imo

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if deadline was 10 hours away ceejay would be the yeet. I have no idea what ceejay's alignment is but like, I get it. I'm a lil anxious because of cjv was town he'd just be saying whatever drifted into his damn mind anyway and I don't really think he'd care about this level of pressure. But also he's not really shown much organic thought or solving so maybe he just isn't town who knows

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It's been many years and I don't respect meta so you tell me

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Idk I think ceejay is easy to misread early in games I guess

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Some of these posts are suspicious

This is a really funny post in response to a prod but also we should yeet NM

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
I'm a nm stan this vote breaks me heart

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I just really struggle with the idea that NM has no reads here

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The worst what did you mean by it not feeling like time to vote ceejay yet

on current trajectory cjv is just going to end up eliminated

Low-key forgot nm was in the game tho honestly

pedit: I'm in favour of that lemme check where to vote

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welp
VOTE: implosion

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maybe I do think cjv is a slightly better vote I just can't remember if that's e-1 and I'm trying to multitask

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Bingle/Dann is the scumteam I'm so sad

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I actually legitimately scumread NM atm

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Bingle/Dann is the scumteam I'm so sad

I'm pretty sure that happened once. Either that or I wanted it to happen so badly that I dreamed it did.

me too please

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I actually legitimately scumread NM atm

What do your readslist look like atm

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not mafia

idk my reads are changing like the wind this game and I feel kind of non-committal about most of them

I think there's at least one scum and probably two in [nm, implo, cjv] and maybe that's in reverse order? I'm also probably like, incorrect, because this game has a number of skilled scum players in it

wbu

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Bingle/Dann is the scumteam I'm so sad

also did you not see 340 or what

I did not see it

I'm not voting cjv to e-1 yet

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hmm actually I remember parts of that post maybe I assumed it was rhetorical

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Sure. NM flipping here doesn't give us a ton of information outright, but it also makes who dies into a really spicy question. We go into D2 with a higher percentage of people actually playing, potential night action info, and the answer to the question "Who is scum most afraid of RIGHT NOW."

Also, I'm not unconvinced that NM isn't scum.

I can see the logic but it just feels like you are bending over backwards to reach this opinion

fwiw I think Bingle was partly humouring me

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Black is feeling combative in a way that I believe more and more

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I voted NM as a statement but like around when dann reacted I remembered voting NM is sort of unlikely to ever get a reaction & is a vote you make basically to get lim pressure. ceejay & implo are a deal more sortable.

what are your reads like atm

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actually something just clicked in my brain and I am very surprised that implo has had so little to contribute so far and I'm more happy w this vote than I expected to me

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are you still just finding Klick's reads too hard to align with & forced?

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I refuse to consider the prospect of Alianna being scum in this game but like, I guess Klick/implosion is some kind of solve, failing that I'd mostly just consider how to get a more accurate read on your nulls I guess

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I was buying time I was busy I am going to catch up soon I promise please have mercy

it's ok i forgive you

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are you still just finding Klick's reads too hard to align with & forced?

Ehh, skimming over his ISO real quick and I think I'd probably move him to null. I'm liking 272 and 290 on a second glance. Idk, Klick is kinda hard for me to read. I don't really know how to find him as town so I usually just end up scumreading him

I'm glad you're picking up with I'm putting down. I don't think it's all that easy to read Klick here and tbh I kind of think Klick us town.

A lot of the reads which y'all aren't connecting on seem to be more from idiosyncrasies than from alignment disconnect, in a roundabout way your posts directed to Klick have made me like him more

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NM I'm your biggest fan I'm going to print & frame these pages thank you

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I think there's at least one scum and probably two in [nm, implo, cjv] and maybe that's in reverse order? I'm also probably like, incorrect, because this game has a number of skilled scum players in it

I find it kind of astonishing that you'd write this sentence honestly. Like the hedging sure but like there's absolutely no way you actually have any confidence that is anywhere significantly above random in that proposition. Do you just say random shit as town? Do you genuinely think that the lurkers in this game are significantly >rand to be scum? Because I at least have seen very little from the thread as a whole that makes me feel like it's lots of townies waiting for the lurker scum to show up (granted I have access to the info that I'm town but still)

"whatever is on my mind" has a fairly close relationship to "random shit" sure

ya I've seen multiple conversations which felt mutually earnest and I do suspect at least one underperforming player is scum. that happens quite often. i'm astonished that ur astonished.

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actually something just clicked in my brain and I am very surprised that implo has had so little to contribute so far and I'm more happy w this vote than I expected to me

I do like this post somewhat but I really don't like most of duck's posts between voting me and it

The vote on me almost feels like, not wagoning for the sake of wagoning or vote hopping for the sake of vote hopping, but like vote hopping for the sake of vote hopping for the sake of vote hopping, if that makes sense. Like duck is jumping on me for the sake of looking like they're jumping around a lot.

that's a reasonable characterisation! my votes are projecting more confidence than my heart feels

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i didn't like ceejay walking back his town read on you, felt overly self conscious and i don't really buy that because you claimed it wasn't a push that his view on it was suddenly different

i don't specifically get much value from klick's reasons but i don't ceejay has done much towny so im fine wagoning there

I don't remember walking back any reads? She was and still is a maybe town to me since 55

cjv how're you doing? what's new in your life?

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I'm glad that Bingle is calling Dann sort of very softly scummy. I think Dann is not even close to escaping his scumrange in this game and I *think* there have been a few townreads on him and I'm a bit aghast at that. I feel like Dann is being reasonable and responsive and playing well and doing all the things that, he does as scum to my knowledge (at least from Toriel's patience). I haven't read any people's in-depth reasons for calling him town but I'm very skeptical of him being >rand town and think there's a good chance he's >rand scum though I don't have good reasons for thinking that in particular

tbf the entire basis of the deepwolf meme is that dann's scumrange is quite hard to define and I'd argue he relatively rarely leaves it especially on day one

I don't think someone needs to leave their scumrange to be leaned town on and I think black is the only person I've seen who is like, outright hard townreading dann atm

something something paranoia something

Bingle's scumread on Dann is probably my least fav part of Bingle's iso so far. like it could actually be an accurate read!! but it feels so precautious and baseless that it feels a bit performative and there's this big floating red question mark in my brain about Dann not really seeming all that interested in the read

that's what caused my (admittedly joking tbh) dann/Bingle s/s read I just find that dynamic kinda jarring

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Ever so slight lean town on N_M's spate of posting.

VOTE: the worst

why?

I also have thoughts on it but I want urs first

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Bingle and Black are townleans in that I generally don't have issues with their play and I don't think I understand their scum ranges well enough to say anything with confidence right now and I think both of them have done some stuff that I like, maybe black a bit more so than Bingle

PC is nominally town, I think Klick is townish (I guess probably my strongest townread but not very strong nonetheless), so very deeply unconfident scumpool right now is worst/cj/dann i guess (n_m being next in line I think)

why is cjv in your scumpool? I agree w you on Klick and like, vaguely agree with a bunch of your reads

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implosion is either the messiah figure this town needs to root out the deepwolves, or he is scum, and I'm yearning to discover which

recent posts feel townplosion-ey but I've also misread scumplosion so kind of have a lot more boxes to tick before I'm comfortable

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if I'm a wolf I ain't that deep I'm moreso referring to his core trait this game being refusal to accept any form of status quo

also would argue Black is the Holmes to my Moriarty here tbf

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Mori-fart-y

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Do u remember when someone made up the rumour that NM's reads were significantly better than random to keep him alive & win a scumgame and then several players (including me) perpetuated that rumour for months?

I guess I'm trying to decide what's up with NM's Klick read how do u read Klick?

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ya I've seen multiple conversations which felt mutually earnest and I do suspect at least one underperforming player is scum. that happens quite often. i'm astonished that ur astonished.

I'm specifically astonished at you saying that "probably both" scum are in those 3 players. Unless you have a different definition of "probably" from me, that is a wildly strong claim.

you also acknowledge that my level of confidence in that read is simultaneously intense and non-committal which I agree with

you're telling me you've never had multiple conflicting thoughts about a situation at the same time and started explaining one then realising you can't remember if you actually even like that thought half way through the explanation?

that's like my quintessential mafia experience

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that's a reasonable characterisation! my votes are projecting more confidence than my heart feels

well like i just said your words are projecting a hell of a lot of confidence too so i'm not really sure how exactly i'm supposed to be figuring out how confident you're actually claiming to be

The nm slight gut town is just for the structure of the posting spate, the commenting on almost every post -> "i'm exhausted" after like 6. Again, very weak, but I think the bruntness of "I'm exhausted" maybe comes from town more often

if it was easy, I wouldn't be very exciting to play mafia with :p

I'm really struggling to see "I'm exhausted" as anything but a joke I'm surprised you aren't latching onto his apparent instant townread of Klick

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why is cjv in your scumpool? I agree w you on Klick and like, vaguely agree with a bunch of your reads

I didn't really like 55, not as strongly as Klick but I thought Klick's point wasn't bad (as I mentioned) and 55 as a whole feels maybe generically like an early game scum post. I don't really understand the reasons he's being called town, in particular I think black gave a reason that I couldn't really parse. And like, I don't really have any reason to take him out.

This seems like a weird way to phrase this question when he's also in your scumpool; do you think he oughtn't be in mine or is it surprising to you that he is?

neither really just asking the question

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I'm really struggling to see "I'm exhausted" as anything but a joke I'm surprised you aren't latching onto his apparent instant townread of Klick

why would i latch on to this

because (bluntly) it actually feels meaningful.

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you also acknowledge that my level of confidence in that read is simultaneously intense and non-committal which I agree with

you're telling me you've never had multiple conflicting thoughts about a situation at the same time and started explaining one then realising you can't remember if you actually even like that thought half way through the explanation?

that's like my quintessential mafia experience

I'm a mathematician. I see you saying "probably 2 scum are in these 3 players" and I read this as you saying that you think there is a >50% chance that a proposition is true, when that proposition has a baseline probability fypov of ~10% (and, fmpov assuming you're town, the baseline probability of it being correct goes down to <5%) and that's more confidence than I have ever viscerally felt for anything on day one of a forum mafia game frankly, or maybe on any day

think of me as the opposite of a mathematician. I'm like a logician but I learned my logic from a clown school.

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tbf the entire basis of the deepwolf meme is that dann's scumrange is quite hard to define and I'd argue he relatively rarely leaves it especially on day one

I don't think someone needs to leave their scumrange to be leaned town on and I think black is the only person I've seen who is like, outright hard townreading dann atm

something something paranoia something

I moderately townread Dann
I think Dann has definable goals as scum, it's just at a level deeper than most are willing to go

If Dann is scum then I think he's actually limiting himself in this game by mostly expressing things that look like direct opinions

this is a really good way to put words to a general energy which I'm feeling from Dann this game. he sort of feels like he's playing from his heart a little. not in that he feels super earnest in a way he couldn't replicate, but like, in that it specifically doesn't feel like he's playing this like a strategy game.

I think maybe I find implosion's read on dann a little reductive because he's looking for a reason for people's townreads to be wrong, moreso than he's actually looking to solve dann

going off this post I feel like you're in a similar place re. Dann that I am, and that's not exactly a "free pass" townread. I just have much higher priorities on day one and he's not ringing any alarm bells. I really don't see anybody except possibly black giving him a free pass.

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if I'm a wolf I ain't that deep I'm moreso referring to his core trait this game being refusal to accept any form of status quo

This is exactly how I would describe his play in our last game together, where he was scum and both him and his partner were locked out fairly early

ah noted, thank you

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you specifically shone a spotlight on townreads of dann as an act of anti status quo ness!

I'm really struggling to see "I'm exhausted" as anything but a joke I'm surprised you aren't latching onto his apparent instant townread of Klick

why would i latch on to this

because (bluntly) it actually feels meaningful.

Okay well I disagree lol

It’s not even clear that he’s townreading klick, he said klick ceejay is possibly scum theatre. I don’t read “good vote” and “bad vote” as necessarily meaning anything and frankly I think when I read nms posts the first time my brain literally ignored their content at the level of whose votes were being called good or bad or who those votes were on

pedit: I definitely think we disagree, I'm still like 99% sure the exhausted comment was part of the bit :p

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implosion is either the messiah figure this town needs to root out the deepwolves, or he is scum, and I'm yearning to discover which

i also disagree w this btw. my d1 reads are normally garbage. my reads get better over time. Sometimes I have reads that I feel particularly good about d1 and they're probably alright, though sometimes they too are deeply wrong; in toriel's patience I had two pretty solid townreads d1 (dannflor and sakura hana) which were on 2/3 of the scumteam. Which is part of why there's a part of me that refuses to accept any townreads on Dann right now as being legitimately >rand. Not that it's not possible to do so. I just don't think anything he's done is necessarily unmotivated in the way that I think he has to be at some point to be town, if that makes sense. I'm probably not going to be able to get a solid read on him for a long time personally

oh god my condolences, welcome to the dannflor fannclub

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idk the more I reflect back on Black's interrogation of me the more I like it. it felt like she felt like she had an ace and she was playing back to back opening traps, then before committing to a checkmate attack, just picked up a pawn and pelted it at my head. like I can see why I'm perplexing and ostensibly scummy here from the perspective of someone who likes to drill down. I don't really enjoy reflecting, I change my mind constantly and place very little interest in my old opinions, so I don't think thats a style of conversation where I'm ever going to perform satisfactorily.

implo it kinda feels like you're forcing a "gotcha" vibe through the definition of my use of probably in a throwaway sentence which I then contradicted. like, within the sentence. you also don't disagree with the conclusion (you actively scumread cjv, apparently think we are scum together, and nm is not outside of your eventual natural POE) but I don't really know how to meet you anywhere on this. it kinda feels like you decided I was evil when black voted me and we've kinda been throwing words back at each other.

sorry if you're town I really enjoy your style and you're super cool. we just aren't gelling here at all and I'm kind of just in a place where I think it's probably bc you want me dead.

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unsure if my ego is flaring but I'm so excited to play with ceejay and he is wholesale ignoring me which feels like he's not on the level

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My only hesitation with ceejay is that, like, no one is making significant moves to defend him. Granted, he wouldn’t be giving a buddy much to work with here and even still there’s been multiple attempts at starting other wagons.

implosion, probably arguably me if we assume I'm not trying very hard

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don't think ceejay/NM make that much sense because even though NM is crazy and wild I think he also generally probably plays to win and bussing your buddy when you're both considered to be in the bottom 3 slots is kind of a wack strategy

ceejay/implo makes a lot more sense because implo is doing pretty much exactly what he'd need to be doing as scum by distancing but still primarily pushing in the more active players

if there's like 1 scum in the active players and 1 scum in the inactive players i don't think the active scum would be hard defending CJ........... they might.... make posts like.... 440 tho....

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one sec I got a thing

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Bingle/Dann is the scumteam I'm so sad

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cute shitposting aside binge does seem to have you in that "just above scumreads" space and maybe we all want more flips before we're more comfortable in our lower townreads idk. I kine of get where he's coming from at some level because I also think today's flip really structurally changes how I approach this game and whether it's hard mode or easy mode

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i do not want this game to just be implosion/ceejay

SAME don't blame me!!!!

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I also feel like the strength of my scumread on Dann is being vastly overestimated in general, fwiw.

I think its anomalous status is more important than its strength honestly.

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i don't even have a response to that this is probably exactly how i would and how i have historically engaged in scum theatre

Missed this the main reason I am joking is because like
It feels like something you'd do and less like something Bingle would do, in a vacuum
Bingle/Dann is such a blessed rand in this list that I don't necessarily think brazen obvious soft bussing is Bingle's default approach
just feels a little wrong

still funny tho imo

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yeah you both worked out the joke before I could explain it

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I'll be so sad if Klick is scum this game he's the only one who makes any damn sense

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I think you think that dann thinks that you think that

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how do we find scum when EVERYONE'S reads are weird and stilted??????

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I think you think that I think that but I think black thinks you think she thinks that I think she thinks that tbh

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I haven't been unable to have fun since I came back from my hiatus it's a nice feeling

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that's such a surreal qualifier I don't think my alignment matters in my perceiving you taking a random throwaway comment and drilling down on it

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that's such a surreal qualifier I don't think my alignment matters in my perceiving you taking a random throwaway comment and drilling down on it

i mean if you're scum then it's entirely possible that i have identified something, even if it was meant as a throwaway comment, that you actually would not have said as town

I'm not even sure if I'm making an alignment indicative argument I'm just defending the notion that we have different brains!!

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We're the same person (where the hell is iconeum) but our brains are different!

wait wtf I'm about to get on a plane too

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never mind we are the same person I guess I'm scum

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I am curious abt your reread because I am not finding this game easy.

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can anyone who isn't in an airport today please identify themselves

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i didn't like ceejay walking back his town read on you, felt overly self conscious and i don't really buy that because you claimed it wasn't a push that his view on it was suddenly different

i don't specifically get much value from klick's reasons but i don't ceejay has done much towny so im fine wagoning there

I don't remember walking back any reads? She was and still is a maybe town to me since 55

cjv how're you doing? what's new in your life?

Nothing much. I've been doing well

Got a hold of this game yet? I kind of want to hear your thoughts on implosion

Yeah I'm pretty active. How much of this game have you read? What are your thoughts on implosion?

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ceejay what are your three most confident reads and why

@ceejay
What are your two strongest reads, right this second?

PEdit: that's quite scary

ceejay what's your one strongest read atm?

pedit: oops ahha this is so late

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ceejay, what are you two weakest reads and why

I just figured out that am not being specifically asked for scum reads lol

You sort of feel townish but at the same time a good chunk of your engagement this game has been about your meta and I don't really have the energy or time to dig into those

I also feel like the worst had a bit of a rough start but their posts are sort of getting better but I don't reaaly feel like sorting them this early in the game

why are you non-committing to every single read omg pick one and believe in it for a second help me out here

Klick is town. agree/disagree?

what do you think of not_mafia's spurt of posting if anything?

also wanna hear ur thoughts on implosion atm

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that sounded a lot snappier than it's meant to I'm kinda laughing inside

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ceejay, what are you two weakest reads and why

I just figured out that am not being specifically asked for scum reads lol

You sort of feel townish but at the same time a good chunk of your engagement this game has been about your meta and I don't really have the energy or time to dig into those

I also feel like the worst had a bit of a rough start but their posts are sort of getting better but I don't reaaly feel like sorting them this early in the game

I think the worst would disagree with you. They seemed very happy with their vote early game. What indicates to you that the worst had a rough start? and why isn't that rough start scum? and what exactly do you mean by rough start it is pretty vague.

I didn't really blink at this for reasons I can explain later but good questions.

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I'm like, finding myself still an implosion wagon enjoyer, still pretty keen for a check on this read bc I'm aware it spawned from a convo he had specifically w me

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I think I'mma like, sit here, because I'm sadly not scum and still think implosion is pretty scummy

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guess I'm still kinda yearning for someone to talk me through what they're seeing if they aren't seeing scumplosion

I don't like, have a particular read on Black, but I don't think her/implo is the solve

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I'm surprised at the pace at which he's working through this game (I guess this has gotten better but only after it was called out, and this game is a bit slow paced in general) and I think his read on me felt very forced

I've mentioned like multiple times that I'm wary this is pretty introspective and would love someone else with a different opinion to talk through it

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I'm surprised at the pace at which he's working through this game

at its speed or slowness?

at its inconsistency I think. I feel like it took you a while to get into it, then you processed in a frenzy, and now I'm kind of like wondering what the future of implosion in open 908 looks like

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I'm surprised at the pace at which he's working through this game (I guess this has gotten better but only after it was called out, and this game is a bit slow paced in general) and I think his read on me felt very forced

I've mentioned like multiple times that I'm wary this is pretty introspective and would love someone else with a different opinion to talk through it

I guess if this is your summary of your position on me then you presumably think the pacing thing is scum-indicative, beyond just being surprising? or no? If so why?

I frankly just don't begrudge you calling my read on you forced, in some way it is because, again, i am extensively bad at getting meaningful d1 scumreads

I feel like my reads are a little forced outside of exactly Klick too on this phase. actually tbh I'm also kinda not a fan of d1 these days so I guess same.

this isn't very meta informed but scum tend to benefit from having limited insight & limiting the work they put into progressing the gamestate in a positive direction. to me it felt like you weren't throwing in many original thoughts and then the first original (or Bingle-inspired-original) thought felt kind of unnatural that's definitely a space where I'm looking for scum.

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I know I'm not really going to convince you that you're scum, either lol. I guess it's just fun having conversations.

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ceejay, what are you two weakest reads and why

I just figured out that am not being specifically asked for scum reads lol

You sort of feel townish but at the same time a good chunk of your engagement this game has been about your meta and I don't really have the energy or time to dig into those

I also feel like the worst had a bit of a rough start but their posts are sort of getting better but I don't reaaly feel like sorting them this early in the game

why are you non-committing to every single read omg pick one and believe in it for a second help me out here

Klick is town. agree/disagree?

what do you think of not_mafia's spurt of posting if anything?

also wanna hear ur thoughts on implosion atm

You skipped my 517?

Klick idk need more info

not mafia is not mafia

I did not skip 517

sigh

I'm just very null on you

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Like for instance I saw duck's posts a couple hours ago and considered responding to them but now you're giving me something that I feel I need to react to (because I think you're town, so I care about your opinion on me in the game) so I'm also going to go respond to those now. Could this be me being survivalistic as scum? Sure, in principle, but I think it's just as simple to explain with me being town.

this isn't very meta informed but scum tend to benefit from having limited insight & limiting the work they put into progressing the gamestate in a positive direction. to me it felt like you weren't throwing in many original thoughts and then the first original (or Bingle-inspired-original) thought felt kind of unnatural that's definitely a space where I'm looking for scum.

Yeah I don't think I'm especially good as a rule of thumb at progressing the gamestate d1. I can think of some specific cases where I've been able to (like a pyp game where I had one strong read that pushed the gamestate pretty strongly) but I think the average case for me as town d1 is to not really have a massive impact.

WRT my thoughts on Dann feeling unnatural, that could just be you ignoring the context of the last game I played with him. Or maybe you're just wrong. or scum. la de da.

I don't know the game and it takes fairly specific circumstances for me to place any value in meta (namely I need to trust the player to have something fairly important and also townread that player lol) so I am ignoring the context of the last game. I sort of get what you're saying but my experience with Dann has me feeling like he's handling this game differently to how i perceive his scumgame.

The most jarring part of Dann's posting to me this game is that his conclusions are changing without visible working out but I don't think thats even out of character, I think it's just jarring because we are not in sync.

I don't feel much like this game is all that different from dann's towngame, I also don't feel phenomenally strongly about this but contrary meta evidence kind of just floats into the "eh" space in my soul

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hmmm

VOTE: cjv

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I don't really dispute any of that but it feels like a tangent to the main thing I'm concerned about which is that you're using your playstyle (which I do definitely believe is influenced by several factors) as a survival method here in a way that's scum-indicative

I think what you're doing lines up surprisingly well with what you need to do
And that matches how I believe you operate as scum, based on observation and also based on what you've said about your own scum game

I agree with this to an extent but I wonder if implosion *needs* to antagonise dann & myself specifically to survive, I don't think he can go after the low activity scummy slots but I wonder if there aren't better options

NM townlean makes no sense but maybe it actually just makes no sense enough

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You don't feel all that non-committal or collaborative in this game implo

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I'm in a world where implo is my second strongest townread rn stop looking at me like that

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Everybody is a cat

The line is: "Everybody wants to be a cat."

Because, you know, a cat's the only cat who knows where it's at.

that song has been living rent free in my head for so long you have no idea

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I think me being a part of the implo support group is ironically liable to drive implo further into the depths of despair

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god I hope so. just not permanently bc i really like implosion.

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feel better soon PC

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Black should be yeeted before the final day but I kinda want whichever of [cjv, nm] we like less today

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We have like 77 hours we may wanna think about consolidating

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Hold on I have a thing

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maybe i want a NM lim a bit more than a cjv lim

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Hold on I have a thing

we're all waiting

that was a reference to this

one sec I got a thing

Bingle/Dann is the scumteam I'm so sad

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ok

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after reevaluating NM's extraordinaty case on cjv i do think that's the correct lim

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poor guy was so exhausted making it he nearly couldn't post for 2 days

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that makes me sad but cjv's flip made me happy so nice trade-off

if i'm a power role i have an inno on not_mafia

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I will now be assuming we are in set-up one going forward, nothing will convince me otherwise, including mod flips

I already claimed watcher, nm, pay attention. I’m going to see whichever scum kills ducky tonight and then fake a guilty on Dannflor.

this made me sad

I'm not sold on Dann town yet, but I'm seeing more of the solve-y TownDann nature that I thought was lacking so maybe he can be town.

If cj flips scum I'm probably going to be looking pretty hard at NM tomorrow.

also like, superficially noteworthy, did not fully expect NM to stay home last night but i'm also not all that surprised

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days end suddenly and i don't trust all these people

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i maybe want to vote black just a little. for a treat.

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I still think Klick is town even though klick did the scum theatre thing with cjv, I choose not to think too hard about it

implo is still town bc it came to me in a prophecy and I don't want it to be wrong

NM is cleared

I think Dann is town and just...feel like d1 would have played so differently if he was protecting his power role. He also shot bingle, his scumbuddy, n1 which would have been a very bold strategy

I have no strong feelings on Black or PC

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VOTE: black this seems popular and I'd hate to rock the boat

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very delayed omgus style vote achieved

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VOTE: black this seems popular and I'd hate to rock the boat

This is kinda slimy imo. Feels like an easy wagon to start considering Dann was leading a charge against me yesterday

that's the joke

what are your reads rn who do you think scum are

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also fine w ceejay lim

i'll have some more to say soon most likely

This kinda feels bad considering implo doesn't talk about ceejay much at all. 561 is pretty hedgy

Given the rest of implo's iso (and posts on this site) is this something that is indicative of him being aligned with ceejay, or something that looks bad?

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I think you're trying to achieve scum things instead of town things

I think you're seeing the things I'm seeing again,,

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implosion I don't really vibe with either. I feel like he's engaging for the sake of engaging and I thought sometimes he goes out a bit of his way to make his posts a bit more vague? Granted this could just also be how he posts but I've been feeling like parsing implosion's posts sort of feels a bit harder than parsing other players

is this scummy? am not sure but its what got my attention

is this how scum talks about a scum buddy

open question

mmm myaybe
don't think it's super damning

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I guess I have this idea that as scum you’re a little more performative in admitting reasons why you could be scum and claiming that people shouldn’t lock town you

Whereas as town you believe in your towniness a bit more and get more upset when people aren’t correctly reading you

Do you disagree with that?

are u trying to convince black that black is scum

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I think you're trying to achieve scum things instead of town things

I think you're seeing the things I'm seeing again,,

I'm town

I do think this pile up on me is odd. I don't feel like I've been that scummy at all

at least 2-3 townies are guaranteed to find you the best candidate to be scum here

I don't mean to be super harsh but atp I don't think it matters how towny or scummy you've been, we've gotta find a better candidate if we're wrong on u

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VOTE: Klick

I kind of don't like that vote

also aside from a maybe Black town am not getting much out of this yet

I think that holding the opinion that you are very towny and Klick naked voting immediately after me naked voting you is sketch simultaneously is itself kind of sketch.

I’d like to hear what makes you town, for sure.

"very towny" is a bit of a stretch, I simply just liked Black's early push on PC

I didn't notice your naked vote on Black, that large duck picture threw me off

This line, black. It seems like something you’re pushing because you think you should be pushing something rather than because you think it’s going to give you real ai information. Am I wrong?

Yeah you're wrong. I'm not even pushing anything there

I misread that?? lol nvm my read

VOTE: Bingle I like this more right now

I still want you to explain why your gut reaction to Black was town

duckkk

I liked her post 33 at that point

I can't say if what PC did there comes more from scum or town but seeing what I'm thinking on PC posted by someone else feels nicee

i didn't like ceejay walking back his town read on you, felt overly self conscious and i don't really buy that because you claimed it wasn't a push that his view on it was suddenly different

i don't specifically get much value from klick's reasons but i don't ceejay has done much towny so im fine wagoning there

I don't remember walking back any reads? She was and still is a maybe town to me since 55

This line, black. It seems like something you’re pushing because you think you should be pushing something rather than because you think it’s going to give you real ai information. Am I wrong?

Yeah you're wrong. I'm not even pushing anything there

I misread that?? lol nvm my read

Is that not what this was

oh yeahh and I can see now why you looked at it that way

I meant there that I misread what black is doing (I thought they were pushing PC)

I still liked their engagement with PC at that point

ceejay what are your three most confident reads and why

bingle, implosion and...

nah I haven't found a third one yet that sort of grabs my interest. Maybe PC?

These aren't really confident reads but

I haven't really read anything from bingle yet that makes me go "oh this one really looks like it comes from town" and would make me unvote which doesn't make him necessarily scum but I'm not happy about it either

implosion I don't really vibe with either. I feel like he's engaging for the sake of engaging and I thought sometimes he goes out a bit of his way to make his posts a bit more vague? Granted this could just also be how he posts but I've been feeling like parsing implosion's posts sort of feels a bit harder than parsing other players

is this scummy? am not sure but its what got my attention

is this actually a read on a scumbuddy or is it just a scummy read on town?

I don't think this is ceejay's slip-up moment (to be blunt, I think he had that w ignoring me then asking me for my thoughts on implosion)

it seems to be the person ceejay is the most interested in talking about tho

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I think you're trying to achieve scum things instead of town things

I think you're seeing the things I'm seeing again,,

I'm town

I do think this pile up on me is odd. I don't feel like I've been that scummy at all

at least 2-3 townies are guaranteed to find you the best candidate to be scum here

I don't mean to be super harsh but atp I don't think it matters how towny or scummy you've been, we've gotta find a better candidate if we're wrong on u

I think scum is in that group as well

cool. use that gut feeling meaningfully - my point is that town in that group is guaranteed to outweigh scum. so no matter what, if we're working together we have work to do.

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What do you find townie about implo?

they feel somewhat uninformed of ceejay's alignment

individually, I liked his read trajectory on me. I don't really feel like he was desperate to change his widely suspected position D1 and I feel like he would've felt more like that if he was scum.

idk I don't have like super solid reasons they've just felt townie tonally to me

hard same.

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696?

I think you're trying to achieve scum things instead of town things

I think you're seeing the things I'm seeing again,,

to an extent yeay

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Anyway wifom yadda yadda. I think me arguing this makes me look scummier so I didn't want to. But it's the truth

it's not that, more that like, you can't convince us you're town in a vacuum & we can't convince you that you're scum in a vacuum. your points are valid, it's just the job of the rest of the list to decide if we value them more highly or less highly than the alignment indicators pointing the other way

my best answer is that bussing d1 then soaring into the endgame isn't an unreasonable or uncommon strat in a micro esp if scum had a tpr read on Bingle.

that's also not a compelling argument it's just a "black can still be scum" kind of qualifier

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I disagree it makes you look scummier

It’s the most compelling point for you being town to me so far

worded better than me I'm just not confident on where to look next rn

perhaps I have more work to do

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PC is my natural next push. I like Klick's towncase on PC. I think my reaction to it is more like "maybe" than "yes" and stuff tho. I don't feel like I like his associatives with cjv all that much but no huge red flags.

Wonder if PC's very individualist narrative is him doing his own thing & solving the game or whether it's him missing what we're all seeing.

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These are half formed brain thoughts

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Getting awful vibes from the worst here. Feels like he's trying to buddy up to Dann while simultaneously being very amicable with me. Part of me feels like he knows I'm town

*shrug* I'm nice. I don't townread you in this game and I have some questions about your play. Those two things are often a problem because it means I'm unlikely to be reading you without bias. It also doesn't mean you're evil irl so why should I not be amicable with you?

Realistically I'm baffled as to what your alignment is I'm just fairly short on POE and needing to do more homework.

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the worst can you describe the dream that made you go from scum!implosion to town!implosion

uh it wasn't a dream exactly just, like, a sudden very strong feeling that the structural integrity of my argument was not what I'd once thought it was and when I removed that lens and reassessed implosion I felt like he was actually pretty earnest.

sorry this is really abstract but I do think the question was asked in a way that sort of, invited abstractness

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a small point in favor of town!black is CeeJay's first read of the game being "maybe black town and not much else"

I think it's more likely that type of early read is more likely to be on a townie while you're waiting to see how the winds may blow re: your partner

genuinely ceejay seems far too interested in black and his read on her is super lazy. I'm notorious for calling ceejay lazy which is why I chose that word. but I'm like, just mulling over why he chose her specifically to focus on so much or whether it was a choice at all.

I do think ceejay missing klick being towny is probably noteworthy

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Realistically I'm baffled as to what your alignment is I'm just fairly short on POE and needing to do more homework.

You made some posts D1 that indicated you thought I was town. What changed?

I've seen you around enough that it's starting to feel surreal that this is kind of our first interaction

I woke up like 4 hours ago and have hardly been thinking about this game, and my read on you has changed twice since I woke up I don't think I can linearly identify what caused my mood shift at a particular time unless you can point me to the spot, I do remember having a few "oh shit what if black is town" moments on d1 and I was solidly just focused on other things for a solid chunk of the day

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i think if i were to instant day vigilante kill someone right now based purely on the scum equity of each slot’s associations with flipped scum I would shoot Political Clout

without having done my reread same, unless I was in a weird mood, then I'd shoot black and use my new-found clout to out-clout PC.

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can I get a picture of where you're at with everyone?

Probably not in a way that will satisfy you

Things are pretty fuzzy and I don't have a lot of conviction in my reads

I think you're probably town. It really feels like you're trying to figure things out and your reads are fluid in a way I would expect from a townie trying to figure things out. If you're deepwolfing then congratulations I guess

I have no clue how to read NM

I think scum is probably within the rest of the players. This group is really hard for me to sort through atm which is why I want to take a deeper look with the ceejay flip in mind

I got the chance to look at some implo interactions earlier and I didn't like what I saw

tw feels really political or something. I feel like that's the best way to describe it. I remember not liking him earlier in the game too but I'm struggling with the possibility that I might just be scumreading his personality and style of posting

PC and Klick would probably be at the top of my scum pile if that area exists. PC's lack of engagement in the game is kinda worrying me a little. Him following me onto implosion is part of that. It kinda feels like he's on the outside looking in

Klick is just hard for me to read and I've been struggling with that one all game. I'm hoping my deep dive will help but I doubt it

We're on weirdly similar wavelengths except I think you're distinctly apolitical, I just haven't worked out whether the heart on your sleeve is pure yet

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oh and Klick. I think I just know Klick's style well enough that him being scum just like.....feels super wrong. Vibe read but hard vibe read

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yeah I mean for what it’s worth I think the worst comes off that way to people a lot of the time when he’s town

not saying he can’t be scum but his level of political and social engagement isn’t unusual

i'm so cute it's AWFUL

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Your seal of approval helps because you're either scum and correct or you're town and you're wrong. And if you're town then I trust your read on Klick waaaay more than I could ever trust my own

I'm happy to stamp dann's read for the extra seal. There's a lot of decisions Klick has made this game which aren't ostensibly deceptive & which were not informed or aligned with ceejay.

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I'm always pretty earnest about playstyle and self-meta things. It's been referred to as one of my strengths as scum.

That makes me glad to hear though, we'll probably get along

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UNVOTE: ig in spirit this is a vote on PC

can pc claim then can we please get some hypoclaims

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that's all?

VOTE: PC

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dw we're kinda all forcing it a bit imo (except maybe black)

all of the votes on pc i just kinda figured dann unvoted to get off e-1 or something

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Makes sense I'm just v aloof

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promise you'll sheep me in f3?
hypothetically speaking of course

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out of everyone in the list, what is the most likely thing to bring a fire? perhaps an implosion?

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PC if ur tvc ur missing a fairly critical part of ur claim

kinda chilling waiting for a cc honestly

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As far as I'm concerned I think it should be between me klick and implosion. I don't think scum hammers their pr like that. I think

black is clear

. Dann being annoyed at the hammer I think that makes dann town.

Nm and worst can also be town.

PC saw the "if I'm a tpr I have a clear on NM", and hasn't done a hypo result back. He then posted 707 which literally includes the text "black is clear" which is the closest thing I can find resembling a crumb in PC's iso. When claiming he also didn't drop a result.

The pivot from the above to voting Black and dunking on her for more minor innocuous details also seems rly at odds with these posts and I'm struggling to see how a town power role literally refers to Black as clear if its just on day play, then votes her.

The language of the claim is also a lil odd to me like I think PC is the first (and I'm the second!) person in history to refer to a town vanilla cop as "tvc" but this is pretty semantic and as I type it I'm getting ready to be roasted for it


I kinda think PC is just caught but obviously I need everyone to check in because he's either caught or cleared!! But my motivation to solve other slots is temporarily 0 bc I think I won lmao

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I really want to be right though :/

Nobody else is voting there anyway I'll be back after i sleep

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UNVOTE: i actually just fully need to recalibrate

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I don't really think it is NM honestly like doing nothing but casing his scumbuddy & white knighting Klick then sheeping me in this phase doesn't feel exactly right but then that little voice in my head is saying WHAT IF not_mafia is just doing exactly that for the free win as scum

and like what if it just is not_mafia

but I don't really feel like this is..it...

there's definitely an absurdist core of NM/Black who don't have zero partner equity but either of whom has made decisions in this game that ostensibly makes their job harder than it needs to be

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maybe I was also hoping that he was going to come in and counter-claim PC and save the day or something.

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I actually kinda do just need non townreads to be viable scum candidates atm. Ceejay's iso is pretty dry for partner interactions and there's a small core of players who I just don't think are scum. I don't have scumreads really. I figured it was just PC lol. If we treat NM & Black as town for a fun thought exercise, low-key I'm at a loss as to how you/klick/implo/myself are actually meant to sort each other accurately. We could try calling each other names I guess.

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Ugh I like you all I don't want to call y'all names

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Occam's razor says you have high partner equity by rule of 3

being asked for your weakest reads is such an awkward brain space to be in but honestly I do think ceejay would just say what's on his mind. that's probably a fairly solid indicator to look at me or dann more closely.

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PC is my natural next push. I like Klick's towncase on PC. I think my reaction to it is more like "maybe" than "yes" and stuff tho. I don't feel like I like his associatives with cjv all that much but no huge red flags.

Wonder if PC's very individualist narrative is him doing his own thing & solving the game or whether it's him missing what we're all seeing.

I'm kind of annoyed by worst's progression on PC going from 'I like Klick's case but think it's wrong' to the level of confidence they express in PC!scum after this point.

it took me so long to feel like I was correct!!

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I can understand being today's lim but I'm so low confidence I can't like it. I think this game is hard to solve and think y'all are looking for signs in a lot of "yeah that's fair" posts.

I think Klick is still town. I kinda think Dann is still town. I don't feel wrong on implosion being town. I also kinda want Black to be town.

Probably sawing through me/NM > Black wins, like, some amount of the time or something

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Maybe I'm reconciling the fact I think the most likely scum in this game have absurdist interactions with ceejay and that it is less likely to be Dann despite having the widest scumrange in this playerlist?

Also kinda itching for PC's n1 result still

pedit: I think being confused and making goofy votes is too valid for me to snark at. but here's ur snarky response there u go.

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I'm not the only one who looked at his claim and thought it was sketchy right I just kinda figured he gave up

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Also why is literally nobody else concerned about getting his result affirmatively

pedit: wait vanilla cop is the one we didn't want

uuuuuggghhhh

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i still don't know what you were on about with PC's black read

I can't remember what this refers to

pedit: yes

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I'm a bit distracted and hadn't fully thought through that vanilla cop's utility has been flushed mb

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if ur dumb as a brick, PC's posting this phase does look like scum. lol.

now my brain is wondering if you're unvoting me because I make sense or because I townread you

this game is not a vibe.

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I think my entire reason for not townreading Black is that she lolhammered ceejay. ceejay was dead weight, the scumteam clearly had a tpr read on Bingle, and bussing in micros is incredibly useful. The other reason I townread Black is because she yells at people who don't townread her and she's scary. I do not think I like my reasons for townreading black rn.

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I townread Klick because I think ceejay missed what we were all seeing d1; I do think Klick's d1 energy & posting style exists somewhere in the spectrum which can be perceived as limbait, I just do not think anything about his thoughts underneath was limmable this d1. I think townies had that figured out like 10 pages in or something, bd I think it was fairly easy for scum who weren't paying a lot of attention to pick Klick as an easy lim. Going by memory I still think Klick's read trajectory on ceejay was very free of cognitive load and I remember feeling great about it n1. By contrast I don't think ceejay put the time into processing his klick read which ur kinda obligated to do w ur scumbuddy especially if they're in deep.

this doesn't even feel like a bus. it's like the opposite of a bus. it felt very authentic. I don't think I'm gonna revisit klick town today.

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I keep trying to figure out whether Black assuming you were a follower at start of day is town indicative or scum indicative

I think I'm more inclined to believe it was because of a brainfart than out of anything else but after I did the claim I felt like I could hear an evil cackle in her posts. in retrospect, I wonder if she'd react the way she did as scum or be more like, shocked at my lapse in quality dayplay. maybe right now I don't think it's scum indicative.

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I was kinda hoping we lived in some bizarre universe where we turbolimmed PC, I was shot n2, and everybody laughed

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wait 09:12 is such a swingy piece of shit what if lolhammering the scum power role ONLY makes sense as scum

what townie is choosing not to wait there when they might be running up a tpr

what scum is going to pass up an opportunity for free towncred if their partner is dead weight

I do think ceejay has it in himself to ask to be bussed there

I think I need someone who isn't currently voting black to weigh in on this because it'll help me feel confident about her p quick

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I don't say that to bully Dann. I say it because I want someone to show me I'm wrong

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gosh me too tho

pedit: I think you calling me posturing now that dann is back on you is like, bafflingly reductive lol

are we reading the same game

there dann, there's your snarky clapback

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We might actually want to have a conversation about whether or not we just yeet NM at some point.

I'm going to explain something Black hasn't noticed so Black please don't click on this.

Spoiler: no black

there are two loud voices in my brain, one saying Black is town and one saying Black is scum. I still like most of my townreads and I'm still not really committed to my POE. like if it's not Black who is it??

I felt so right on townplosion I don't want to start considering him seriously. I think NM's ceejay associatives are more clearing than Black's but potentially not clearing-clearing. We've probably had all the content we're gonna get from him this game. Are we going to kick ourselves at some point if he's alive for a long time?

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I'm at an impasse because I don't want to be faded but I'm in my Lazy Era so I don't have energy or motivation to do much -_-

I think there's merit in this impasse being acknowledged. ur not really advancing the tangled corkboard of this solve, it still feels like you're on episode 2 of 8 or something a bit. maybe that's not alignment indicative.

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I think you missed the point of me assessing your alignment here. Idk if it's deliberate or not.

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We might actually want to have a conversation about whether or not we just yeet NM at some point.

I'm going to explain something Black hasn't noticed so Black please don't click on this.

Spoiler: no black

there are two loud voices in my brain, one saying Black is town and one saying Black is scum. I still like most of my townreads and I'm still not really committed to my POE. like if it's not Black who is it??

I felt so right on townplosion I don't want to start considering him seriously. I think NM's ceejay associatives are more clearing than Black's but potentially not clearing-clearing. We've probably had all the content we're gonna get from him this game. Are we going to kick ourselves at some point if he's alive for a long time?

Play a game for me worst

Look at NM's interactions with ceejay in isolation from the rest of the game

What is your actual opinion on them? Are they NM!town interacting with scum? Are they two buddies? Or is it indeterminate on any meaningful level?

Either it is sufficient to consider NM as town off his ceejay approach or it isn't. Right now my answer is that it isn't very meaningful to me one way or another. I don't really vibe with the take that NM's approach makes him *kinda maybe town*. And I also agree with you that I don't really feel comfortable just kind of letting NM slide by without more solid conclusions irt alignment.

I kinda wrangle with this constantly!! I don't know. I don't know if they're authentic or NM is being funny. I do think reflexively bussing cjv to defend you is pretty wild. I do think NM is smarter than people give it credit for and he's capable of it as scum.

I'mma have to reread his ISO later for ur game but believe me this is something that's on my mind!!

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I don't have a lot to react with to being cased. I know it's wrong, and I think some aspects of it are obtuse, but I'm also not solving my own alignment.

I'd rather be more confident if I'm a likely lim candidate but it is what it is

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sure
VOTE: NM

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have a nice day nm