Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[Dannflor]

That’s fine I’m not wildly confident on Gibdo or anything

[Dannflor]

I’m also not calling you scum just thinking out loud that my top town read of you has degraded somewhat

[Dannflor]

I agree Hu Tao’s 563 feels like it lacks a town persoective

[Dannflor]

Perspective*

[Gibdo]

It def seems Rational is pushing way too hard (let alone on D1) for him to turn scum. Annoying as though it may be.
UNVOTE:

@Dannflor and @Thomith, I'd like to hear more of your thoughts regarding your cCS votes.

[Dannflor]

I mostly voted there because I started town reading Thomith again and wanted to follow him, and CCS hasn’t done much of anything really.

[Dannflor]

I think I want to go back here though VOTE: hu tao

[Dannflor]

I think the mentality behind 563 and the whole way Hu Tao has approached Rational and the wagon on Rational is scum indicative

I think Rational probably looks the most like untouchable obvious town to scum that are informed of his alignment. All of me, elements, Gibdo and Grovyle have voted Rational or expressed annoyance about Rational while also staying he might be town. We can’t all be scum, and I’d wager the majority of us, if not all, are uninformed of Rational’s alignment and are unable to just do a robotic “yep Rational obvtown time to ignore his posts”

also think she’d probably be more interested in searching for the scum pushing Rational if she indeed thinks Rational is obv town and any votes on him are ridiculous

[Gibdo]

I mostly agree, but I'm not comfortable writing off Rational as obvious town. If he's experienced as he has repeatedly claimed, it's still very possible he's just causing a huge scene now to mitigate suspicions on him later.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Why do you think my early interactions with elements aren't town motivated?

it seemed like you were trying to get a vote on elements for the sake of voting elements, not for actually scumhunting. take 225 for instance.

as for the first part of my post, i had played with saltiestcactus on another forum and for some reason you were trying to turn that into a read.

[camelCasedSnivy]

also i too acknowledge the wagon on me but i will only likely get back in 4 hours

[Thomith]

Why do you think my early interactions with elements aren't town motivated?

it seemed like you were trying to get a vote on elements for the sake of voting elements, not for actually scumhunting. take 225 for instance.

as for the first part of my post, i had played with saltiestcactus on another forum and for some reason you were trying to turn that into a read.

I genuinely don't remember doing this but I might be tripping.

[Thomith]

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

I disagree with basically everything he's said and then he vote no lim

Do you think what he is saying is scum motivated?

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

why did you vote me?

because I feel like your vote was opportunistic, due to the ease in which I feel a vote on Madman could be explained away due to them having a non standard belief, that I don't think is necessarily scum indicative.

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

why did you vote me?

because I feel like your vote was opportunistic, due to the ease in which I feel a vote on Madman could be explained away due to them having a non standard belief, that I don't think is necessarily scum indicative.

why do I need to be oppertunistic on day 2?

The vote just seems weird, I don't understand a strong enough read either way to scumread/townread the Madman slot enough to either vote or defend it based on what has happened.

I feel like these posts do show me trying to sort Elements and find out their reasons for their Madman vote that felt weird to me, so insinuating that I was not attempting to scumhunt, and was just voting Elements "just because" is false.

[Thomith]

expecting the two of us to lead town to another perfect win ccs

Hmm.

Probably a joke, but I'm not too sure how much I'm liking this post.

why

It feels like it could be performative in some way.
Either "look at me I'm town" or if SaltiestCactus does flip scum, immediately buddying to cCS to make cCS look bad.

Gotcha you were talking about this post.

A comment about one post seeming weird isn't trying to turn things into a read.
I still stand by this post coming off as weird/not understanding the point of it. On its own, it doesn't warrant a mead, but if later on there are further weird interactions, I felt it important to note.

[Thomith]

I'm concerned that there is a world where RationalMadman is actually scum, and if he does flip scum, his aggressive defense of me after I defended him earlier is an attempt to frame me later.

What bizarre phrasing.

Bizarre how?

[Hu Tao]

I did a quick read and I still want to eliminate salty. I'm getting vibes there of scum. I'm also getting small pings from gibdo

I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town

Why

Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at best

Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.

i hate this thought flow it doesn't feel genuine to me and I probably should re-iso hu tao at some point and that point will be thursday goodbye chat

side note: i dont like the ccs wagon esp with elements on it, and I don't trust dann's logic for his reads so far (maybe he gets better with a flip though)

Unfortunately you cannot tell the difference between genuine or non genuine then

[Hu Tao]

I think the mentality behind 563 and the whole way Hu Tao has approached Rational and the wagon on Rational is scum indicative

I think Rational probably looks the most like untouchable obvious town to scum that are informed of his alignment. All of me, elements, Gibdo and Grovyle have voted Rational or expressed annoyance about Rational while also staying he might be town. We can’t all be scum, and I’d wager the majority of us, if not all, are uninformed of Rational’s alignment and are unable to just do a robotic “yep Rational obvtown time to ignore his posts”

also think she’d probably be more interested in searching for the scum pushing Rational if she indeed thinks Rational is obv town and any votes on him are ridiculous

Unlucky. He is obviously town

[Dannflor]

-_-

[RationalMadman]

I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town

Why

Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at best

If I am alive at the end of game I'll tear scum to pieces. Underestimate me at scum's own risk.

[Dannflor]

I mostly agree, but I'm not comfortable writing off Rational as obvious town. If he's experienced as he has repeatedly claimed, it's still very possible he's just causing a huge scene now to mitigate suspicions on him later.

I largely agree, and I've gone back and forth on Rational a bit myself

Right now, I've settled on him likely being town but I've had doubts

I think Hu Tao is expressing an unnatural amount of confidence because she *knows* Rational is town

[RationalMadman]

Dannflor voted me and now says he townreads me XD

[RationalMadman]

Anyway I'm not saying I want to eliminate Rational I'm just saying I empathize with the emotions that lead to Elements' vote

Which only is possible if you don't think she is Scum scared of me ripping her team to pieces later.

[RationalMadman]

Or if you are Scum and know she isn't. Or if you are here partner but I significantly doubt that.

[RationalMadman]

Awesomeming, Elements and... Drummrooooollll dripping goofball

This is the team. At least for now those are my reads. Sheep me and win.

I am most certain of Awesomeming

[RationalMadman]

I mostly agree, but I'm not comfortable writing off Rational as obvious town. If he's experienced as he has repeatedly claimed, it's still very possible he's just causing a huge scene now to mitigate suspicions on him later.

Join me in slaying awesomeming Ty.