Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 5)

[RationalMadman]

rational elements you if i had to say

LMAO the most recent team Is aid was awesomeming nickriviera and elements so he turns it on me by saying the same team with me, to NR.

Just LOL

[RationalMadman]

Hu Tao if you Townread me so surely, why not joing my vote on awesomeming?

Just because you're town doesn't mean you're right

Why do you townread awesomeming?

Vibes. Seems to be solving

Where? All he's done is suspect me.

Just because someone is wrong about you doesn't mean they are scum.

That's the only solving he's pretended to do

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Awesomeming. End of discussion. All other bandwagons are less protown and this else optimal.

This guy is textbook scumtelling in so many ways.

[RationalMadman]

Thus*

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It's going to feel more than a bit weird to refer to someone as black itself... Probably intentional.

I wonder if that replacement is indicative of caving in as Scum not wanting to let her (KJ) team down rather than as Town not that into the game.

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I think you shouldn't speculate replace reasons and just read the player instead.

Anyway rational can you tell me who else you scumread besides awesome?

That's literally part of reading someone other than awesomeming.

Elements is my main scumread outside him but the replacement ramps up how Inperceive the exact things you were saying about KJ. It alsoakes me incidentally Townread you as I don't see her bussing just before quitting. So KJ scum makes me hard Townread you for that ending.

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Idk Black's pronouns or profile so I'm unsure how to refer to the slot rn

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Is this genuinely acceptable behaviour?

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rationalmadman im starting to get behind your read on awesoming but considering his acc age its far too early to be pushing this hard.
imo it is hard to get a proper read on awesoming if youre breathing down this neck.

No it's not. It's easy. Pressure leads to tells.

and throwing a read at the wall continuously with no reevaluation is also a tell that a player is not absorbing info as it comes and arbitrarily assigning alignments.

awesome started pushing on you and that is all the reason you have for that.

i started pushing you, you're frozen asf not able to reply to me in the same way.

people townread you for bad reasons but you aren't making it to endgame here.

your lack of a holsitic worldview is telling and as soon as we flip at least 1 scum you're effectively done lol

No it isn't. antibody can read the reasons I scumread him even before he suspected me. You liar.

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Anybody*

[RationalMadman]

Threatening me to notake it to endgame is a compliment. Scum should fearkill me. If Town votes me off wrongly that's on them

[RationalMadman]

Maybe I should play like you and just vote random shit and pretend I'm smart.

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Big bad grovyle ain't making it to endgame either.

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Anybody can read the timeline. I was after awesomeming before he was after me.

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You're straight up talking out of your ass here.

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The fact awesomeming is after me has never factored into me being after him even after it.

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Everyone this is the time to switch to awesomeming.

[RationalMadman]

What's your case?

If you reread enough to vote someone you read enough to know my case, unless all you read was your scum chat.

[RationalMadman]

What's your case?

If you reread enough to vote someone you read enough to know my case, unless all you read was your scum chat.

That's not even remotely true

Do you want to link me to your case or not?

No. I believe you just slipped pretending to reread. You read enough to join a wagon to eliminate Hu Tao yet didn't read a building case on awesomeming.

Town can slip pretending to reread though, if lazier. What my case is lies in reading awesomeming. Read awesomeming, tell me if it seems like Town or Scum. Nobody is reading him. It's impossible to start a wagon on him yet some like Hu Tao Snivy and Thomith were almost eliminated if others joined in 4 to 5 of 7 I believe, I'm shocked they didn't claim. Even I had 4 on me at one point I think.

Awesomeming has had nobody except me on him until very recently dripping goofball sheeped me.

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Implying his partners are panicking to divert it away from him and that his partners are not Thomith, Snivy, Hu Tao or me.

[RationalMadman]

I will lead this Town to a surefire victory if you would all just follow me.

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No. I believe you just slipped pretending to reread. You read enough to join a wagon to eliminate Hu Tao yet didn't read a building case on awesomeming.

I read the page before I joined in and that's it. I don't have to have an extensive case on someone to vote them

I'll look over ming later. Thanks for the summary

You're putting Tao in danger zone to claim or get eliminated. You aren't the first or second vote on her.

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No. I believe you just slipped pretending to reread. You read enough to join a wagon to eliminate Hu Tao yet didn't read a building case on awesomeming.

I read the page before I joined in and that's it. I don't have to have an extensive case on someone to vote them

I'll look over ming later. Thanks for the summary

You're putting Tao in danger zone to claim or get eliminated. You aren't the first or second vote on her.

My vote puts Hu at e-4. Are you seriously concerned about her being in claim or elimination range?

What is your read on Hu?

I forgot you were voting her invited and then voted her for a second so I thought it's -3 not -4 but I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT.

HT began lazier and troll like and proportionally became more invested in the Day Phase as it went along. This snowball style of attention and seriousness is exactly what I expect from the type of Town member who'd begin troll-like and giggly Vs the same member as Scum who'd probably have weird bursts of trying and lazy again.

She even defended me when Scum didn't remotely have a motive to and argued with me because she Townreads awesomeming (though argue isn't true as she just says vibes and he is apparently solving which is faked and he copied my latest predicted scum team when asked who he thinks is scum but replaced himself ok my 3 with him).

[RationalMadman]

With me not him*

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HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

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I actually don't see Dann pushing me like this as town, so I'm leaning scum on him now. I could understand a push but a tunnel like this is not like him ever.

Can you show me awesomeming solving in a way you see as Towny rather than BS?

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Even if Dann is his partner I want awesomeming first. The rest of the game can revolve around his partners. I am certain he flips scum

[RationalMadman]

camel what are your thoughts on your wagon

I want to talk about the camelcasedsnivy wagon. While thomith gave a remotely viable reason, dann elements and hu tao dropped naked votes on camel

within a few posts of each other

and this concerns me because perhaps the only remarkable thing about camel's posts is how unremarkable they've been.


and then later dr nick also drops a naked vote

like what the hell guys am i just not in the loop is this some site meta i'm supposed to know about?

I liked this post

Until that recent post why did you townread him?

That seems like what he'd do if Snivy were his partner but also what he'd do if his partner(s) coached him to finally try as they realised I'm not at all letting go of my tunneling on him and that he has to towntell somehow.

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That's the only example of him 'solving' all game. Even that solve is surface level.

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Elements - maybe town
DrippingGoofball - ???
DrNickRiviera - town
RationalMadman - town
Grovyle in a Fedora - idk
Hu Tao - Hu Taown
Black - unsure
SaltiestCactus23 - scummy
Thomith - unsure I think I want to lean town
camelCasedSnivy - scummy
Dannflor - sus
awesomeming327 - towny
Gibdo - idk slightly leaning towny

Updated

Other than Thomith and myself, I don't understand your townreads, as in what logic are you using?

You said youre unsure of Black yet you outright scumread Kayjay shortly before.

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camel what are your thoughts on your wagon

I want to talk about the camelcasedsnivy wagon. While thomith gave a remotely viable reason, dann elements and hu tao dropped naked votes on camel

within a few posts of each other

and this concerns me because perhaps the only remarkable thing about camel's posts is how unremarkable they've been.


and then later dr nick also drops a naked vote

like what the hell guys am i just not in the loop is this some site meta i'm supposed to know about?

I liked this post

Do you notice that I said the same thing about the Thomith wagon that he later said about the Snivy wagon? He is mirroring me.

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Not the posts part but the wagon part.

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Spoiler: quoted text

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

Getting into an argument you can't win and backing out before it makes you look bad, got it

This post in particular seems to have been made with bad faith

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

She thanked me for it because people like yourself never corrected her on it. Maybe take that into consideration when analysing it.

I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

Your post is very confrontational. Why?

As much as I would love to gehad you continue to argue pointlessly, unfortunately, this is not mafia theory discussion thread. Please play the game instead.

I liked these posts originally

I do not understand why you are liking any of that. All I see is someone mirroring me. I say he's scum, he says I am, that part was a given and obvious... Later, I said the team could viably be NickRiviera, Elements and Awesomeming, he says he thinks the team is same 2 with me. I say the wagon building on Thomith is unnatural due to speed and lack of reasoning, he says the same thing about Snivy's. It's either a subconscious thing he does as Scum or he's even intentionally doing it just to toy with me.

[RationalMadman]

I will lead this Town to a surefire victory if you would all just follow me.

K
Hnmmm that's something scum would say.

Why would Scum say that more than Town would?

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I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

What the hell? I never said I Townread HU all game, I clarified it. Why the fuck would I want people to care what I read if I am scum and flip it? Even if I am scum that would have absolutely nothing to do with who my partner is. It would be said to gain trust from those reading it.

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

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Calling Hu/Rational/Gibdo for post game cred

Right sure you are.

That's 1 out of 3 at best, I am very sure of that. They have no partner dynamics going on, you're just insinuating from Gibdo not voting HT.

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As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

What was your reason?

To make it clear to everyone your read has shifted when you were literally asked about someone that there's no reason to hide it as Town unless the reason is a PR reads Vs vanilla.

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VC 1.08

Thomith (4):

DrNickRiviera 114, camelCasedSnivy 475, Dannflor 477, Elements 483

RationalMadman (3):

Gibdo 292, awesomeming327 412, Grovyle in a Fedora 417

SaltiestCactus23 (1):

Hu Tao 241

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

SaltiestCactus23 23

awesomeming327 (1):

RationalMadman 266

KayJayQueue (1):

DrippingGoofball 287

DrNickRiviera (1):

KayJayQueue 415

Not Voting:

Thomith 110

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

VC 1.08

RationalMadman (3):

Gibdo 292, awesomeming327 412, Grovyle in a Fedora 417

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Thomith 585, Dannflor 586, Elements 589

Thomith (2):

DrNickRiviera 114, camelCasedSnivy 475

SaltiestCactus23 (1):

Hu Tao 241

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

SaltiestCactus23 23

awesomeming327 (1):

RationalMadman 266

KayJayQueue (1):

DrippingGoofball 287

DrNickRiviera (1):

KayJayQueue 415

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

Dannflor added onto this or Elements did to make it 4 votes on me at one point. I think Elements had unvoted and Dan did it but honestly DP1 wagons don't tell much especially with wagon addicts like elements and damn on them. It's the most overrated scumreading method ever. DP2 wagons matter, DP1 ones lead to misreads.

[RationalMadman]

Awesomeming is scum. That's the most sure read of this game.

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Anyone else?

maybe I’d look closer at grovyle too, idk

Why not awesomeming?

[RationalMadman]

What if we just voted Goofball for doing nothing

Goofball has done more than elements and dann who just trollvote all wagons. He's voting scum with me.

[RationalMadman]

What if we just voted Goofball for doing nothing

Goofball has done more than elements and dann who just trollvote all wagons. He's voting scum with me.

DGB had 15 posts
I don't think you understand how doing things works

After telling me to drop my scumread for 3 days because talking so counterproductive you just equated quantity of posts to doing things in the next post.

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VOTE: awesomeming
Now have I done more than dgb?

No you have actually done less. All you've done sid sorupted flow of town talk and tried to numb people to wagons by psychological warfare of making wagons normalised.

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Disrupted*

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Psychological warfare?!

After you and Dann do 4 votes not just 3, on enough people, then people react less to it making 5 even 6 feel like 4 and 3 should feel.

It's a technique used in conditioning martial arts. Muay Thai or certain brand of Karate especially use this to harden parts of their body by both psychologically and physiologically making it so the person experiences less pain from a severe collision and/or stimuli that make most wince and unable to think straight and keep fighting. The problem is you've conditioned to something Town is supposed to stay very sensitive to.

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My point is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Elements has proven my point about her correct. So yes, point proven.

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Elements has proven my point about her correct. So yes, point proven.

You know what.
If you can demonstrate this "proof" of yours to me using actual things I've said and examples of why that proves your "proof" I will sheep you for the rest of the day phase.

No you won't because your junkvoting serves 0 protown purpose just like you outing as Vanilla Townie for no reason achieved. You're a genuine detriment to Town and as I said if I ever host a game here you're banned from it. Idc how many dislike me and ban me from their game for being unlikable, I know not many like me and more often than not it's a mutual dislike. However, I can play with those I dislike as I see it as a test of my mettle. You have been antitown consistently this DP. You voting Awesomeming did as little for Town as if you'd posted a series of spam about the recent eclipse and flat earth theory or alternatively even NASA's verdict on the event.

You are sidetracking, whether for correct or incorrect reasons, from the natural flow of the game so much so that it is so severely naked scumtell that it makes one wonder if scum would do this.

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I did. You not comprehending my explanation has been a serial event that I have noticed.

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mostly rational being loudly wrong about everything and insulting people every chance he gets

I have townread you. Was that me being loudly wrong about everything or is your hyperbole bullshit a bit too blatant there?

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mostly rational being loudly wrong about everything and insulting people every chance he gets

I have townread you. Was that me being loudly wrong about everything or is your hyperbole bullshit a bit too blatant there?

Why are you such a mad and angry person? Can you like set that aside and stop making the game a nightmare to look at

Is personally attacking someone how you go about handling 'mad and angry' people? Is my job here to annihilate Scum or to make game pretty and dreamlike for them? To me, players in this game have tried to make it as unpleasant as possible for me to progress, lead and win. If I were really that mad and angry I'd have ragequit or said something to get banned already. It's my calm in the face of toxic abuse like this that lets me stay in the game and play optimally.

I am very centred, calm and calculating as we progress. I have no need to prove that to you at all, I need to prove it to myself and myself alone. After the game the events will reveal how accurate my votes were or not. It is my duty to scumread accurately no matter who attacks me, says I'm this or that or fucks the game for Town. If me being what I am irks people, good. I couldn't care less. The posts like you just made serve absolutely 0 protown purpose and only alienate another member of the game from yourself. However, being calm and thinking from a more third person perspective lets me step outside myself and see that it doesn't really matter, I have other reads and issues to focus on than what some troll that entered the game with large colourful text and self-voting and named herself after a race very intentionally happens to think about me and my gameplay.

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Is my job here to annihilate Scum or to make game pretty and dreamlike for them?

If you are town then you can annihilate scum without being rude and condescending to other players. If you choose not to go that route, that says a lot about you as a person and a player

Same to you, watch the tone you talk to me with, perhaps?

That's no excuse for your behavior. It's a game. You can keep the toxicity out of it, or you can deal with a barrage of posts shaming the way you play. Your choice

So either I cave in and give the abusers their way or they'll proceed to abuse me and gaslight me to think I'm the abuser? Got it. I know which I'm choosing.

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yeah i think it’s fairly likely there’s a scum pushing and a scum defending Rational

I wonder which is the scum pushing RM....

Let's get our calculators out, this one's a real tough one!

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I quickly skimmed through a RM game just in case where he was scum and yeah he is different here.

you found one that wasn't a replace in?
I had a look and he's different in every game on this site

He replaced into the one I read

Did you look at the town games? They're just as different

They were also years ago.

I feel like my play as town and scum is wildly different to when I last played in 2011/2012.

Yeah sorry that was kinda my point
The past town games are just as different as the past red games so looking at any of them doesn't really tell us anything

While I was worse and less good at staying properly level-headed back then than I am now, it is a massive compliment you saying and meaning this (though if you are scum it may be untrue).

I do doubt that it's meant as a compliment but it is. This is the apex dream of a competent mafia player, to not have to lurk to achieve that but actively participate in games and be unreadable relatively. That being said, I do have tells I think. I tend to fundamentally tunnel more as Town (as opposed to just incidentally tunneling while not pushing as hard for the person I'm voting) as scum. Now that I've said that you can be sure I'll adjust it in future games if there are any.

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" (as opposed to just incidentally tunneling while not pushing as hard for the person I'm voting) as scum. "

The ) is meant to be after 'as scum' not before it after 'voting'.

[RationalMadman]

For any interested here are my updated reads. This time I'll do it as groupings rather than just eliminating players from my scumpile and exploring the rest.

To avoid mod's eye getting caught by the message, I will use italics instead of Bold for the Titles.

Strong Town

• Hu Tao (the snowball nature of her tryharding this game vs not caring at all and defending me among other things when I see 0 scum motive to do so in the situation as well as her eagerness to push on Dannflor and keep pushing make me strongly townread her).

• Grovyle (I can't fully explain this one in 'true logic' but there is something about the combination of not giving a damn yet giving a damn about things that actually matter that is adding up to be a very strong Town vibe)

It's crazy how weird the I think HTML-inspired bracketed coding here works. Many things are strange. I just had to individually format each player there as an individual bulletpoint list to make that happen.

Weak(er) Town

• Thomith (it began around exactly when the bandwagon on him escalated how he handled it and everything after, including significant paranoia that I had partner-framed him as Scum there, it's much more about his later posts than earlier posts in the DP)

• Dannflor (there is just something about how he's writing things, going about this an operating I feel he'd be annoyed with me as either alignment so him not faking that isn't the tell but he's using the anger to rush the DP and aggressively handle things, which is how Town tends to use anger unless they totally lurk or troll).

• camelCasedSnivy (out of the 3 people who made a proper wagon happen on Thomith, this was the first vote and best reasoned vote. There's also something to be said about Snivy's posts, I feel they accurately display talking to people to get things out of them rather than just posting for the sake of it)

• Gibdo, this is somewhat a gut/vibe read. I can't explain it very consciously in logic but there are tones in what he's saying, ways he went about things, the lack of letting go of voting me even when the wagon happened yet letting go when he rethought things and the fact I don't think he and his partner Awesomeming as a duo would lead on me. It isn't in the words he's saying but in things surrounding them and how he's gone about his lurky style.

Straight up can't read either at all or anymore (meaning they've both towntold and scumtold equally in the 'anymore' category)

Nickriviera, drippinggoofball, saltiestcactus

Everyone knows who my strongest scumread is. I've already justified it.

Those left are:

Elements and Black.

The problem is I do not believe it's a 3/3 thing to say it's Awesomeming, Elements and Black. This team feels wrong, I think the third is in my 3 nullreads instead and only 1 of Elements or Black is in the 3.

Black is not just scummy after replacing but I get significant psyche-read type hints that KJQ doesn't replace out there and then, not in that way not while actually leading on Hu Tao with a strong enough gutread as Town. It seems to me she didn't want to let her partners down, felt she couldn't bring her A game and replaced out.

However, I do see her doing that as Town as viable, especially if her feelings of negativity were stronger than she was letting on (not just struggling to get into the game but actively hating it). In fact if she was Town and felt Hu Tao, who I believe she has some history with based on interactions here, was scum and didn't feel good being on opposite sides on top of disliking the game there does seem to be reason to replace out as Town.

Elements has been antitown the entire DP in such overt ways I don't really know what to say. The problem is I know of players like this and they will absolutely do it as Town. Especially as she outed as vanilla Townie, it's got vibes of 'vote me off idgaf I am ready to rumble let's wagon everyone for the hell of it and ask RM to explain things over and over and over again for the lols'.

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I've brought you all the evidence that Dann is scum this game, so can someone actually take it seriously. He's a good player, but he's been scummy in his contradicting

You are 5/7. You have to either out or vote with a wagon that can defeat yours. I am not budging, not onto Dann yet. I believe he is Town and is agitated and not thinking straight. If he is scum, I wholeheartedly buy the idea he's been what I've primarily seen Elements as and is the wagon blazer distracting from Awesomeming.

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like where's the fire Hu Tao?

For her to have more fire she'd have to be as assertive as I am and that's not her nature. She is being fiery, she's just failed to build a wagon on you. You're not scaling her fierceness or aggression to her personality type.

[RationalMadman]

If she was the type to bite your head off, she would be doing it right now. It's her version of fighting back what she's been doing to you Dan.

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For everyone else,

I'm so confident Naerys flips scum this game. Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow. I agree with this.

VOTE: hu tao

She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.

This is the game I was town and self voted. To prove Dann is lying. He was IN this game. So he's just caught lying.

From what I understand, Dann is saying he thinks your panic and crack under this level of pressure as Town to the point you'd self-vote. He believes you resisting it this well is a scumtell, not the other way around.

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you'd not your

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I've brought you all the evidence that Dann is scum this game, so can someone actually take it seriously. He's a good player, but he's been scummy in his contradicting

There are some contradictions in his logic but they're deeper and beyond voting you off. He said I was wrong on everything this game yet I townread him early on. He's gone from playing it very safe and cautious to haphazardly voting on any wagon Elements gets on or encouraging her to join him and end up now on you. He is a very scummy player in that sense but I believe this is a playstyle thing he'd do as either alignment and this early into a DP1 I'm not willing to read very many past games just to land my vote on somebody, I'll skimread/scan if they're in a recent or current game but that's about it (the reasoning is to not waste effort on a player who may well end up nightkilled anyway as that's a waste of my time and energy to invest into unless I literally have no scumreads in the game itself left).

How about this. You give me games where he's been Town that you believe show he acts very differently as Town. I'll read some of his DP1 there.

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I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

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Strong Town

• Grovyle (I can't fully explain this one in 'true logic' but there is something about the combination of not giving a damn yet giving a damn about things that actually matter that is adding up to be a very strong Town vibe)

why would you put someone in strong town if your only read off of them is based on vibes

Because it's consistent and strong

[RationalMadman]

I have barely ever seen a player scumtell as consistently and significantly as awesomeming in this game. If you can't see it by now, idk what to tell you.

[RationalMadman]

I am glad others are starting to see KayJay-scum.

Why would Dann be scum?

You know what is a really solid scum tell? Asking me what the secret scum tell is. Why would a townie care?

1. Because it's one of the only examples of yo solving the game and we are kept in the dark about it.

2. If you die either by elimination, NK or gun, we then have reason to sheep your reads that otherwise seem baseless.

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Number 2 is contingent on you flipping Town.

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i think im back to fully townreading dann again btw
elements actually somewhat towny in recent posts

hu tao still my preferred elim here, awesomeming is slipping a little


rational still beating the same scumread into the ground is pretty cringe but the overall readslist that finally shows some holistic thought gives them a day 1 pass for me at this point

I find it cringe how willingly people put fandoms to 4 or now 5 of 7 based on barely anything but I have to fight tootg and nail to get Awesomeming 2 of 7. I guess we cringe at different things.

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Randoms*

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I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

So why aren't you voting him?

[RationalMadman]

Hello!

The following players are town for one reason or another:

RM
Elements
Thomith
Dr nick
Grovyle
Gibdo

Probably DGB.

Leaving Awesomeming, DannF, Black, CCS, Black.

I haven't gotten a great feel for CCS or Awesomeming so I will delve in there for a sharper take over the weekend.

I had been getting scum pings from Dann and have very much thought KayJay was scum the whole game. But I do think Hu could reasonably be scum based off the recent argument Black made for it.

Let's go with Dann. I think black has a chance of town

He mentioned black twice, implying it's a fabricated list potentially.

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I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

So why aren't you voting him?

Because I think Dann is most likely scum and awesome has done 1 thing I think is scummy

So all the other things he's done such as copying me arent factors to you? He's done absolutely zero towny things.

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have very much thought KayJay was scum the whole game

I agree with kayjay scum

I'm curious about these reads

KJQ explains most of it best. For 20 pages she had not been proactive in this game the majority of the time, posing no questions and showing very little insight aside from commentary on trivial matters. There are a few exceptions in her Thomith and elements reads. The elements read is based off the effort elements spent to argue against no limming by outlining an extrapolated scenario in the event we follow RM's advice and no lim, an effort that would not benefit a scum elements. That is not a particularly difficult post of elements to make as scum and adding in that it would not serve the purposes of a scum elements is very short-sighted and not worthy of the confidence of the read. The thomith read was originally borrowed from Dann but it is later transformed into one based on gut which is a catchall when there ought to have been a more specific reason available for KJQ.

Instinctively I felt her nick vote was scummy.

Could she have been a townie lost? Yeah sure. But evidence points more to self-aware newbie scum

Fast nolimming was optimal af.

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Elements as scum benefits massively from extending DP getting PR reads and even ending up with town voted off. Don't be naive.

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Elements as scum benefits massively from extending DP getting PR reads and even ending up with town voted off. Don't be naive.

Elements is not the only person that argued for DP to be extended.
It's what usually happens on this site, so even if you disagree with that stance, which is fair enough, I don't believe it is AI, as pretty much everyone here is used to that style of gameplay as either alignment.

So why is she being Townread for it?

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Hu Tao and Dann are overdoing this so hard it seems almost like partners over the top bussing btw but I Townread HT

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Secret scumtells are secret for two reasons:

1. Usually it's scum that wants to know so #scumtrap and

2. They're controversial in nature so I don't want to get into distracting arguments.

I totally disagree with number one. They'd prefer you shut upa ndndied not revealing it.

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anyway,

I think ActionDan has had a mildly towny entrance, I already thought SaltiestCactus was mildly towny. I think Black's entrance was very towny, not just because she pushed Hu Tao but I think the want to push someone before even fully catching up is more indicative of being eager to solve the game than needing to position smartly

DGB I still kinda want to town read but that's not a super confident read

I think the three scummiest slots are hu tao, awesomeming, and camelCasedSnivy, roughly in that order, although CCS is mostly just due to associations with the other two

my top town reads remain grovyle, elements, Black, Thomith, Rational

Gibdo, ActionDan, DGB are in a tier below that

DrNick I don't think I know how to read but he's townier than the other three at least

If we agree on awesomeming why not go the path of least resistance? Hit Scum where most agree on Scum before taking unnecessary risks and forcing outs.

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If we agree on awesomeming why not go the path of least resistance? Hit Scum where most agree on Scum before taking unnecessary risks and forcing outs.

i am just orders of magnitude more confident on hu tao flipping red and i think successfully flipping her here comes with a better chance of winning the game long term

What makes you unconfident in awesomeming being scum?

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Can someone explain the huTao again

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

a large portion of awesomeming's scum equity comes from this sequence being a pretty partnery progression/reaction anyways

Not at all, he even tried to get her voted off and likely would have hammered first Nick voted as he knows I'm not letting go of him and doesn't care that he is scumtelling.

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At that point he really wanted HT gone.

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If first*

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Wasn't HT still 5 of 7 at the point he was trying to get Nick to vote her? I sense Awesomeming would instahammer and not care he's obvious scum after that.

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He hasn't tried at all to radiate Town, he's either terrible at it or doesn't care and finds it funny that I can't get the wagon on him.

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I'm at like 60%ish percent that awesomeming flips scum and oscillate between like 80-95% that Hu Tao flips scum

with awesomeming I think his case on you was scummy and I think his interaction/reaction to the hu tao wagon is scummy, but there's also a part of me that thinks some of their posting reads uninformed and unbothered and that they are just happy doing their own thing

I'm at a point where I think there's a very slim chance I'm wrong on hu tao and while I think awesomeming has decent odds of being scum I don't think there's harm in letting that slot post more and getting info from say a hu tao flip first

obviously, you're hard town reading hu tao so you're going to disagree with this. if it came down to a choice between hammering awesomeming and another elimination that wasn't hu tao I'd hammer awesomeming, but right now I think it's possible to flip hu tao and I think that's the best choice so I'm going to push for that

You were happy to haphazardly build wagons on both Thomith and Snivy right? (Idk if you were on the Snivy one but I recall it from memory while writing this so, sorry if wrong).

Yet you're so hesitant to wagon Awesomeming. Partners? Otherwise why? Percent arguments aren't adding up to your actions.

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I sense Awesomeming would instahammer and not care he's obvious scum after that.

1 for 1s are always good for town

Depends on the role and/or capacity of player hit. Noob/unskilled with vanilla role, sure yes.

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I sense Awesomeming would instahammer and not care he's obvious scum after that.

1 for 1s are always good for town

Depends on the role and/or capacity of player hit. Noob/unskilled with vanilla role, sure yes.

Nah always

You are wrong

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I was not trying to eliminate either snivy or thomith

What were you trying to do?

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If this is forced I will side against Dann, I would prefer to vote Awesomeming.

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I believe Dann vs HT is TvT right nos

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Now*

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The biggest clue that it is Town Vs Town is the absolute absence of a scum partner of either trying to divert things from the rivalry despite being so chaotic beforehand.

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Well I am diverting it back to awesomeming but I know I am Town.

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I have to say I dislike the absolute crap out of Thomith changing to quiet bystander during this despite being super active beforehand. It's like he's enjoying the heat off of his back and being town Vs town as scum.

I am unsure who precisely the third is in that though but Black becomes more likely than Elements in that case.

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Team idea 1: Awesomeming, Black, Thomith

Viable team. Very little interaction between them, hints each has the other in scumpool but not much actual aggression between them at all, with the latter 2 going quieter as others fight and the predecessor KJQ also going more frantic both when Thomith was being voted and when Town wasn't fighting Town based on this team while relaxing as Town fought Town.

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Team idea 2: Awesomeming, Dannflor and Elements/Black

The concept here is an ultra-active duo, being almost too active in votes and posts to end up suspected.

The more intuitive, less tryhard teams:

Awesomeming, Black and DrNickRiviera

Awesomeming, Elements and Black (feels wrong but is viable)

Awesomeming, either, CCS

Awesomeming, either, DG

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There are some reasons that Awesomeming, Elements and DrNick feels wrong such as that it would mean all 3 remained hostile and mocking to me in obvious ways early on, perhaps agreeing in scum chat I was ridiculous. This feels too blatant, I feel one would have held back.

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If AwesomeDan (saltiest replacement) is the third partner, it also can be either but then Elements becomes more likely.

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Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

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Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

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Meaning saltiest lurked

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I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

No it wasn't.

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Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

Thoughts on camel?

I think Town. The reason is that Snivy's wagon and the whole situation seemed like Scum were happy letting it stay that way. The similar thing happened with yours.

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Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

Thoughts on camel?

Time is running out and you're hyperfixating on Dannflor. You have no reason you're townreading awesomeming whatsoever and agreed he's been shady even when saying he will 'fade' you later. What exactly is it I need to say or do to shift you to join me on awesomeming?

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My reads on players so far:

Elements - leaning towny, but vote flipping semi-often feels like she's searching for a wagon a little bit.
DrippingGoofball - idk, haven't heard enough
DrNickRiviera - also leaning town. or at least not very suspicious.
Grovyle - looking very town after reading his opinions in 1019
Hu Tao - my strongest scum read at the moment. 1035 feels almost ditzy and unnatural, and 1104 is frankly just a very poor argument.
Black - mostly a vibe read, but feels town
ActionDan - pretty towny introduction, seems to be closely analyzing the game, especially in 1054
Thomith - my biggest neutral read. nothing particularly scummy or towny
camelCasedSnivy - leaning scum, also a vibe read
Dannflor - feeling town. the reads he's drawing from hu tao and awesomeming have better-flowing logic than what i'm seeing from them.
awesomeming - probably scum. maybe 10880 is genuine but i feel it's more likely a scum thing to say.

awesomeming post is supposed to be 1080, not 10880 of course.

Does that mean you're down to vote Awesomeming or only hu tao and CSS?

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CCS*

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I'll take note of that mixup by Gibdo though, it's a scumslip potentially, due to (potentially) fabricating a readslist.

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Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

Thoughts on camel?

I think Town. The reason is that Snivy's wagon and the whole situation seemed like Scum were happy letting it stay that way. The similar thing happened with yours.

Can you elaborate on Camel?

What do you want me to elaborate on? Snivy is hard to read.

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I believe this is Town Vs Town and have said I'm fine with no elimination.

So, I actually take back what I said about voting Dannflor and am voting awesomeming only. Others can do wtf they want.

Dann or HT needs to put before they're -1 though, otherwise they cammjust be hammered out which is the whole toxic problem of this as the. I get called antitown for warning it.

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If Town are all too blinkered to consider Awesomeming as the naked scum he is then idk what to say.

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Is dripping goofball really the only other person who sees it

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3 days left, choose your votes wisely

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Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

Thoughts on camel?

I think Town. The reason is that Snivy's wagon and the whole situation seemed like Scum were happy letting it stay that way. The similar thing happened with yours.

Do you believe that all wagons that get to E-2 or E-3 are likely scum motivated/scum letting the wagon happen?

Considering how rapid scum members whoever they may be were to force other wagons all day and suddenly all go silent and stop shifting votes when Dannvs Hu Tao happens, yeah.

I have very little respect for people who force wagons for the sake of it as Town. They completely defeat the very idea of pressuring by numbing others to pressure and always help scum towntell because of scum is voted they will try so hard to survive and since wagons keep happening it lets scum hide behind the chaos after they get unwagond with no way to tell.

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Awesomeming, you have vacillated on your elements read a few times this game: opportunistic for RM vote, to cooking after a Hu one, to scum again for a CCS vote. Can you expand why you thought Elements was cooking? Can you reconcile your support of Dann's town read on Elements with your current one w.e it is right now?

When did you first think KJQ was scum? Was that when you named 3 people gun to head as scum or did you refer to Dr. Nick?

I can save you time and explain where he framed me with KJQ, which he didn't make clear when doing it and tried to pretend/gaslight me that I was being crazy and laughed at me while I got annoyed at it.

This chain reveals enough:

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

She thanked me for it because people like yourself never corrected her on it. Maybe take that into consideration when analysing it.

I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

Your post is very confrontational. Why?

It was the moment he pretended to not be aggravating me given things he'd said prior (not just what's inside that quote) and played innocent while ridiculing and accusing me all at once that made me hellbent on getting him eliminated plus him going completely back on defending me instantly as he realised I wasn't a noob and pretended to address all my arguments later and never did.

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He figured I'd be easy prey, ended up wincing from the trap closing in on his paw, that's how I see it.

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Even if he'd picked on somebody else I'd have scumread him for it but him picking on me let me exactly reply as I did and see him for what he was with higher clarity from my perspective.

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You have to claim right now.

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There is no negotiating out of claiming.

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Ok Rational's arguments have little to no merit to them. But there are certain things I'm trying to check for in your thinking to see if they match your posting and your answers aren't quite giving me what I want. What specifically has Elements done in this game that you would associate with a townie doing, at what specific time did you notice it and why.

Please also flesh out the KJQ scum read, as it stands it doesn't follow from the explanation you gave in 1118

They have a lot of merit to them, fuck off saying this unless you are willing to lay out what I've gotten wrong.

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i would like anyone who thinks rational's arguments have even a shred of logic in them to have a talk with me

Talk with me. I think my arguments have logic 'in' them.

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The mere-exposure effect is a psychological phenomenon by which people tend to develop liking or disliking for things merely because they are familiar with them. In social psychology, this effect is sometimes called the familiarity principle. The effect has been demonstrated with many kinds of things, including words, Chinese characters, paintings, pictures of faces, geometric figures, and sounds.[1] In studies of interpersonal attraction, the more often people see a person, the more pleasing and likeable they find that person.

Wikipedia page debunking that the 'exposure' effect has to do with overconfidence of someone.

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Also, where am I in the mix?

rational elements you if i had to say

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please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

Ignore him for the moment and just answer my Qs ty!

i think elements has done towny things and scummy things. i do not have a solid read.

I agree with kayjay scum

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rational elements you if i had to say

Nickriviera, Awesomeming and Elements... Adds up well too. Very very well if we observe the interactions so far.

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camel what are your thoughts on your wagon

I want to talk about the camelcasedsnivy wagon. While thomith gave a remotely viable reason, dann elements and hu tao dropped naked votes on camel

within a few posts of each other

and this concerns me because perhaps the only remarkable thing about camel's posts is how unremarkable they've been.


and then later dr nick also drops a naked vote

like what the hell guys am i just not in the loop is this some site meta i'm supposed to know about?

gun to head, do you have a read on Rational right now, Thomith?

Town.

My instinct says that scum likely don't draw this much attention to themselves this early. I understand this may be more of a playstyle thing, and this logic can be quite WIFOMy, but the fact that a lot of the early votes, or most recent wagon votes weren't necessarily due to scumreading Rational, and seemed more votes out of annoyance or general disagreement, I think this compounds into Rational being an easy wagon, which makes me inclined to think he is a scapegoat vote, so is more likely to be town.

On a separate note if you are Town, I am over 80% sure that one of dannflor, Elements or Snivy is scum. There was something totally out of where with how they just piled on you there. However, I believe ONLY one of the three is given how it went down.

I don't understand why of them suddenly voted you, seemed to be taking advantage of many outing suspicion on you (including me).

There is something seriously wrong with the speed of this wagon, I recommend anyone on it to unvote ASAP.

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mimicking/mirroring of me is there and even before it.

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how can he have said team is DrNick, Elements and Me if he was scumreading KJQ all along and not clear on Elements?

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You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

Getting into an argument you can't win and backing out before it makes you look bad, got it

This post in particular seems to have been made with bad faith

Anyways no elim d1 is objectively bad but I don't really think w!Rational would argue about this and then continue arguing about it after near unanimous disproval of the strategy
elements voting rational on it seems opportunistic imo

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why do you Townread awesomeming

Why do you assume that not scumread implies townread?

Not only do we see a scum Elements defying herself by voting Dann instead of Hu in the eventual 1v1 showdown that just happened but Elements betrayed those 4 so much so that she ended up voting everybody and confusing everyoen to forget what she said. Yet, Awesomeming is confused why I asked her why those outside the 4 are townread by her or in her townpool after having scumread her previously for coming after me in ways he himself joined in with overtly. He also suddenly townreads her based on what Dann says but now is unsure. He can't tell you what she's done that's Towny because he flipped the read on her along the way for no coherent reason.

Elements is scummy. Awesomeming is scummy. Awesomeming isn't getting vote by Elements here because she's hoping Dann is voted off instead.

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I almost voted Rational out of annoyance too

I don’t think Elements’ vote is particularly scummy

But what do you think about elements wanting me to vote rational as well

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

Getting into an argument you can't win and backing out before it makes you look bad, got it

This post in particular seems to have been made with bad faith

elements is lowkey cooking

elements is lowkey cooking

I'm like a pond-skater

no you are a axolotl

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why do you Townread awesomeming

Why do you assume that not scumread implies townread?

actually i kind of liked dann's explanation of elements town

Awesomeming seemed to strategically go out of his way to be 'converted' by Dannflor to townread Elements and it doesn't add up at all why he is joking with her and townreading her instantly after scumreading me unless it does add up as not only is she his partner but he needed to seem to have 'chemistry' with her to later townread her and buy into the Dannflor arguments for her being Town that he himself engineered by asking Dannflor solely about why Elements is town.

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3. Literally give me quotes for any of these claims:
"tries to appear friendly while trying to rile others up"
"pretends to defend others while laying the foundation to scumread them"
"backs out of it when attacked"

TL;DR rational is pushing me on unfounded logic and false evidence, after overreacting and then OMGUSing to a meme-y scumread I had on him.

VOTE: Rational

"tries to appear friendly while trying to rile others up"

messing around at the start of the game is fine, at the end of the day the goal is to have fun

Might've wanted to used wording other than "end of the day" in this context

Red team can post things that aren't red team motivated

So can green team!

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

She thanked me for it because people like yourself never corrected her on it. Maybe take that into consideration when analysing it.

I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

Your post is very confrontational. Why?

As much as I would love to gehad you continue to argue pointlessly, unfortunately, this is not mafia theory discussion thread. Please play the game instead.

I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

That’s my fault. I tend to be a superfluous writer in these games, it’s just how I express myself. I tend to over explain everything (even this post, I can’t help myself wtf)

Actually this is something I should've remembered for myself having played a game with you literally a few days ago heh

But mostly I was talking about rational's superfluous writing style
It's about 5x more superfluous than yours

elements is lowkey cooking

I'm like a pond-skater

no you are a axolotl

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why do you Townread awesomeming

Why do you assume that not scumread implies townread?

This is truly a terrible outcome. I wish we all vote awesomeming.

your arguments are not convincing.

rational: ur hyperfocusing
also rational:

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

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"pretends to defend others while laying the foundation to scumread them"
"backs out of it when attacked"

In my experience people who openly advocate for no elim are town
That’s from my site though things might be different here
I guess the reason is that the vibe that comes with advocating no elim is uninformed

I almost voted Rational out of annoyance too

I don’t think Elements’ vote is particularly scummy

But what do you think about elements wanting me to vote rational as well

[quote=awesomeming327 post_id=14150646 post_num=98 time=1712433253 user_id=37392
And no not really I changed my mind rational is not a newbie and my thing only applies for newbies

Lovely
Come vote with me

No
Still on vacation
Will read rationals posts tomorrow (rather than today)
[/quote]

In my experience people who openly advocate for no elim are town

the meta on this site is very anti no-lim day 1
given that Rational joined in 2013 I'm sure he's experienced enough to know that

well yes so is mine; but people usually just correct them and say that no elim is bad. People generally don’t treat it as alignment indicative but I think they’re town

But they were all newbies uhh

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

Getting into an argument you can't win and backing out before it makes you look bad, got it

This post in particular seems to have been made with bad faith

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

rational's writing style is so goofy
it seems super stream of consciousness

Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

this seems pretty unnecessary

actually to think about it the entire byplay between rational and kay about the "slip" seems really weird
like it seems too small of a deal for that big of a conversation

kind of meme but {kay rational elements} solve ez

She thanked me for it because people like yourself never corrected her on it. Maybe take that into consideration when analysing it.

I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

Your post is very confrontational. Why?

As much as I would love to gehad you continue to argue pointlessly, unfortunately, this is not mafia theory discussion thread. Please play the game instead.

elements is lowkey cooking

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why do you Townread awesomeming

Why do you assume that not scumread implies townread?

Awesoming came in clarifying to default me to Town for advocating for no elimination. This was followed by clarifying that it's Towny because it's uninformed and a noob thing (implying both that he now has grounds to vote me later for being wrong and that he is calling me stupid/ignorant without directly attacking me while seeming to side with me).

After this, Awesoming suddenly realises I'm not new. So, why say that then? After realising I'm not new, he leaves it dismissed rather than directly engaging me and attacking my logic (which is infallible and can't be argued against, sorry to flex it but it's true and I think he realised this as he read it but left it for later).

In fact, the strangest aspect of all was awesoming having the time to still make some posts but not have the time to read my posts and attack my sound logic for the no-elimination. It is exactly the kind of 'haven't got time sorry' post that Scum that wants to get away with not directly engaging people after saying 'this person is kind of wrong that person is kind of scummy but I don't have time to fully explore, peace out' do during DP1s, laying the groundwork to lead on anyone convenient later and really having sided with 0 people while appearing to.

1. Your first paragraph is incoherent to me; what are you even trying to say?
2. I said that I realized that you weren't new because I realized that you weren't new. If I realized that fact, why wouldn't I post that I made a mistake when initially making the townread on you? I certainly want to clarify my position on you especially if I think my previous logic is wrong. I didn't attack your logic because your logic has been attacked already. By numerous people. And I didn't want to dwell on the argument because it was a waste of time.
3. I was very busy traveling (hence the helpful v/la tag next to my username) and only skimmed your posts; I skimmed the posts because I wanted to stay at least slightly in the loop when I have time to do so, but I didn't have time to fully read. I came in an engaged with the thread as well as I can. Would you have suggested that I simply don't post instead? In fact, my posts were highly theoretical (along the lines of "generally, these people are town") because I didn't know the specifics and I still had a way to contribute, and that was to post this kind of generality - before realizing that I had overlooked one part of the issue. It's funny that you characterized my posts as "haven't got time sorry" scumposting when I genuinely just did not have time

I both scumread you and you confronted me. I don't know why other people are passive, I am here to rip the Scum to pieces as they beg for mercy. That's how I approach Mafia. If other Townies get in the way of that they meet the same fierceness from me too. To temper this and avoid rule violations and stay calm is a combination most can't pull off so they either tone everything passive or try to play nice.

Streams of consciousness mockery of my high effort posts, which only Thomith is equalling effort of is not surprising Id then get stern or annoyed at you criticising both me and Kayjay and trying to frame us as scum.

I have probably the highest ratio of useful contributions Vs useless this game of any player here. You however said you'd read my posts and attack the logic later and never ever did.

As for the streams of consciousness remark, you aren't exactly wrong but I can't explain how other posts compare without insulting others. My posts tend to be productive if at times for nothing more than the chain events they set off in replies. If that is an issue for you, I couldn't care less and you can scumread me for being highly contributive in a way you don't like all you want. I have already explained why I scumread you anyway and am down to vote you off even.

1. Thank you for explaining your playstyle - something I never even asked for. I do not care that you have an aggressive playstyle that is not what I meant at all. I was referencing the way you are writing and articulating what you are saying, which is different than the way you are interacting with the thread.
2. What's the point of using the word "mockery"? I was not mocking; I was simply making an observation. Your posts come off to me as stream of consciousness. I said very clearly in my post "kinda meme" which means in no way was I intending to actually push that, so I do not see where you are coming from with the "trying to frame [you] as scum"
3. You most certainly do not have a high proportion of contribution. Most of your posts have been caught up with the annoying argument about no hang d1 and if you seriously think you're convincing anyone with any of your posts you're just wrong. It's funny that you think that your posts are contributive though. Furthermore, I never said that I'd attack your posts' logic so uhh.

You seem way too defensive over something that is not that serious. If you actually thought that me scumreading over

writing

style was something worth responding to so strongly (even bordering on OMGUS)- wow. Kind of furthers my point in my post saying "too small of a deal for that big of a conversation"

263, 265, 266 (ISO 64-66) are all more examples of overreaction on rational's part. The whole progression on me seems like trying to OMGUS without it actually seemingly like OMGUS.

I can't see a 'town Awesomeming' attacking me with ridicule there rather than with exploring the very idea he said he'd prove wrong.

I also noticed that he was rapid to switch from saying I'm town to saying oops he's not a noob and isn't Town just like he tried to say the interaction with me and Kayjay is weird and then goes 'oh stop talking mafia theory you're wasting effort and it's annoying and it was the length of reply'. Absolutely nothing from Awesomeming seems Towny.

I am also less sure Nick Riviera is Town but what Nick Riviera does that I prefer is he never pretended to give a shit what I'm writing. There is a significant difference between that and pretending to read it later and combat it while failing to. Lazy town that don't want to read and like to ridicule is still townreadable it's to do with consistency. Awesomeming tries to appear friendly while trying to rile others up, pretends to defend others while laying the foundation to scumread them and then backs out of it when attacked. Everything about it is textbook scum behaviour, nothing about Awesomeming's series of activity this day phase reads as Town to me. I am either massively wrong or right on the money.

1. Again, I never said I'd prove anything wrong.
2. Nice IIOA.
3. Literally give me quotes for any of these claims:
"tries to appear friendly while trying to rile others up"
"pretends to defend others while laying the foundation to scumread them"
"backs out of it when attacked"

TL;DR rational is pushing me on unfounded logic and false evidence, after overreacting and then OMGUSing to a meme-y scumread I had on him.

VOTE: Rational

This is truly a terrible outcome. I wish we all vote awesomeming.

your arguments are not convincing.

no, you're the one who's been playing anti-town and being toxic as fuck

i would like anyone who thinks rational's arguments have even a shred of logic in them to have a talk with me

please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

Ignore him for the moment and just answer my Qs ty!

i think elements has done towny things and scummy things. i do not have a solid read.

please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

[RationalMadman]

she's hoping Dann is voted off instead.

Dann is never getting voted off today
you just don't understand how I use my vote

The vote was Hu vs Dann. It's up to you to justify your votes not up to others to understand them. Now the vote is Awesomeming vs Dann. Who are you voting?

[RationalMadman]

It's up to you to justify your votes

Don't tell me what to do
I can vote whoever, whenever. Don't assume to understand why I'm doing something

Then don't expect anyone to understand it. If you can vote whoever, whenver, I can say whatever, whenever to you too by that logic.

Actions are 'free' but consequences of actions aren't.

[RationalMadman]

Intent to hammer in:
(expired on 2024-04-15 20:15:00)

I suggest just doing it. All of allows is awesomeming to force a CC out for a real PR while right now he debates which one to CC.

[RationalMadman]

Just hammer it. He'd have already claimed if a real PR. That's my firm belief.

[RationalMadman]

This is exactly what I knew would happen and why I wanted NoElim.

[RationalMadman]

Now real has to CC and the game is going to be so scumsided

[RationalMadman]

This is the exact fucking reason

[RationalMadman]

Elements and ActionDan delaying this is scummy. I don't like how hard ActionDan suddenly pushed to delay it especially as he was the one saying he scumreads awesomeming

[RationalMadman]

This entire situation is so fucking scumsided and stupid. I am not unvoting. Real shouldn't cc.

[RationalMadman]

Notice how awesomeming only claimed role, didn't reply to everyone else or put reads.

[RationalMadman]

The is EXACTLY why NoElim was better. Now real is blackmailed to cc.

[RationalMadman]

I'm tracker

Why aren't you voting Dannflor?

[RationalMadman]

That's not a low power role for a standard normal game that's a proper pr

[RationalMadman]

But I firmly scumread him

[RationalMadman]

it's pretty low power with 3 scum alive, but i digress

If you read the original post, the scum can't use power when killing so they're needed too making it fair.

[RationalMadman]

Meaning the individuals in the 3.

[RationalMadman]

There very likely is a watcher or tracker here but I believe this is a fakeclaim.

[RationalMadman]

it's pretty low power with 3 scum alive, but i digress

If you read the original post, the scum can't use power when killing so they're needed too making it fair.

Nerfed* not needed, autocorrect

[RationalMadman]

I still have things to say before this phase is over.

For the claim itself were this higher power I would advocate for a stay. This close but below the cusp so no need to factor in claim. Clearly no one's needs to cc

Say it then, no need to say you'll say it.

[RationalMadman]

Phase ends any moment.

[RationalMadman]

If you die you die. Nobody should delay the DP. Just end it.

[RationalMadman]

I am proud of my reads so far.

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: drnickriviera

[RationalMadman]

I am proud of my reads so far.

You glad we didn't speed no lim day 1 yet?
VOTE: ccs

Not at all. You're my main scumread after DrNick

[RationalMadman]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

[RationalMadman]

That's very very very weird

[RationalMadman]

Investigators should out their results

[RationalMadman]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

I waffled over Dann and Hu most of D1, and literally declared intent to hammer Awesome.

What did you do last night?

If you are coming after me if I don't put my actions during the NP I am down to 1v1.

[RationalMadman]

I am allowed to hide role until forced to put. Scummy AF to demand that

[RationalMadman]

Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

No, Dan is pretty awesome

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

I am quite literally back and forth on Hu, and also on Dann

I am beginning to fear that this is TvT with them though

Pre Edit: Hu, I have only experience with you on my main

And this is one of my last posts talking about both Hu and Dann, and my reads on both

So you were saying?

Words don't meet actions.

Not even slightly.

In fact until I pushed harder for Awesomeming it seemed you were content voting someone you Townread the entire DP in a showdown you feed TvT over awesomeming. Still seems that way.

[RationalMadman]

You deemed*

[RationalMadman]

I will not claim my role until everyone says I have to

[RationalMadman]

Idc what you want, I fully believe you're scum.

I am not naive either.

Scum killed Dannflor to partly frame those after him, that is patently obvious. However, who after Dannflor did everyone suspect? Hu Tao and CCS.

It was those 2 specifically being framed by aiming for him, meaning even another after him can be scum so long as the other was either unvoting (ActionDan) or on the Awesomeming bandwagon.

[RationalMadman]

Idc what you want, I fully believe you're scum.

I am not naive either.

Scum killed Dannflor to partly frame those after him, that is patently obvious. However, who after Dannflor did everyone suspect? Hu Tao and CCS.

It was those 2 specifically being framed by aiming for him, meaning even another after him can be scum so long as the other was either unvoting (ActionDan) or on the Awesomeming bandwagon.

Ok, but in the surface you were pretty obvTown after leading the charge on Awesome for a good part of the day, wouldn't you say?

Why would you be left alive over someone like Dann, who still had some good scum equity?

I am asking since it seems you know exactly how the scum team is operating

Because a protective role likely is on me if it isn't me and if I can't self protect.

Also to get rid of Dannflor to frame just Tao and CSS.

[RationalMadman]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

Scam want to appear consistent, I am unconcerned with this.

By your logic all who switched to Awesomeming aren't scum. That logic is toxic and irrelevant.

Town can change minds, I do it myself.

[RationalMadman]

But so can Scum.

[RationalMadman]

Idc what you want, I fully believe you're scum.

I am not naive either.

Scum killed Dannflor to partly frame those after him, that is patently obvious. However, who after Dannflor did everyone suspect? Hu Tao and CCS.

It was those 2 specifically being framed by aiming for him, meaning even another after him can be scum so long as the other was either unvoting (ActionDan) or on the Awesomeming bandwagon.

Ok, but in the surface you were pretty obvTown after leading the charge on Awesome for a good part of the day, wouldn't you say?

Why would you be left alive over someone like Dann, who still had some good scum equity?

I am asking since it seems you know exactly how the scum team is operating

Because a protective role likely is on me if it isn't me and if I can't self protect.

Also to get rid of Dannflor to frame just Tao and CSS.

I want if I can not can't, for the self protection logic

[RationalMadman]

Meant*

[RationalMadman]

I'm voting Dr Nick, Elements, ActionDan this DP.

If Black were scum, why changed rapidly after Dannflor did? That is not the logical scum move. She made the wagon on awesomeming gain momentum as mucna s Dann did.

DrNick and Elements were voting Dannflor throughout. Only hammering awesomeming means nothing, elements gets absolute zero towncred for that one top of pussyibng out of admitting she put Dannflor in danger over Hu Tao and stuck on him over awesomeming when I called.her out on it. She outed as vanilla townie for no reason at all. DrNick similar issues with denying putting Dann under kill threat.

[RationalMadman]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

[RationalMadman]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

[RationalMadman]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

give me a good name for the type of bussing i'm describing then

[RationalMadman]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

4 days....but who's counting? You, that's who lol

Also, from earlier in D1, or as you would call it.....EOD right around the corner

Also, hi I am an alt....played a bunch with Dann...and Hu on my main. Slowly getting both their town games down, was seeing it early from Dann and somewhat from Hu, after 841 the real waffling started, especially after(I believe their fight started before that, could be wrong there) they butted heads....which as you can imagine I was very interested in.

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I am not following your thought process at all. You also get some VIP privilege to hide your main from others which I assume is part of Normal Game conduct that we can't demand it.

If you had to name scum rn who would you name?

Also this isn't a good time for me. I can better give myself to this game in a couple days' time but even then I'm a bit busier irl depending which hours.

[RationalMadman]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

give me a good name for the type of bussing i'm describing then

Something scum tries to push as scummy to get a mislim on D2 after scum was limmed on D1 and said person happened to be on the wagon.

Oops, sorry.....just explained what I think you are doing

Also, completely unrelated.....wanna talk about what you did last night now?

LOL! You believe I pushed that hard on awesomeming all DP1 when Dannflor was a perfect mislim option for me there? Unless Hu Tao was my partner on top of awesomeming I can see absolutely zero possible scum motive for me there. Why the fuck do you keep asking what I did last night? You're acting like you're waiting to frame me for a visit.

[RationalMadman]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

4 days....but who's counting? You, that's who lol

Also, from earlier in D1, or as you would call it.....EOD right around the corner

Also, hi I am an alt....played a bunch with Dann...and Hu on my main. Slowly getting both their town games down, was seeing it early from Dann and somewhat from Hu, after 841 the real waffling started, especially after(I believe their fight started before that, could be wrong there) they butted heads....which as you can imagine I was very interested in.

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I am not following your thought process at all. You also get some VIP privilege to hide your main from others which I assume is part of Normal Game conduct that we can't demand it.

If you had to name scum rn who would you name?

Also this isn't a good time for me. I can better give myself to this game in a couple days' time but even then I'm a bit busier irl depending which hours.

People use alts all the time here

Personally I wanted to play some games without my meta being out there, also I don't know why you think it helps me here lol

Well, I am not talking about who is scum until you answer my question

Pre Edit: When you respond in that manner, I kinda do think that yes...... literally if you answer my question all suspicion could go away.

Hell, be as vague as possible if needed, don't out your role

I am not outing anything.

Let's assume I'm vanilla, I still want to be a target for Scum.

Let's assume I'm not, I have every reason to stay hidden with a Town PR already dead.

[RationalMadman]

I cannot be as vague as possible. You out first. Then I vote you off.

[RationalMadman]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

give me a good name for the type of bussing i'm describing then

Something scum tries to push as scummy to get a mislim on D2 after scum was limmed on D1 and said person happened to be on the wagon.

Oops, sorry.....just explained what I think you are doing

Also, completely unrelated.....wanna talk about what you did last night now?

LOL! You believe I pushed that hard on awesomeming all DP1 when Dannflor was a perfect mislim option for me there? Unless Hu Tao was my partner on top of awesomeming I can see absolutely zero possible scum motive for me there. Why the fuck do you keep asking what I did last night? You're acting like you're waiting to frame me for a visit.

I have bussed my buddy on D1, and bussed my buddy to make me the last scum

Look at the town cred you think it gives you, scum should always think big picture

Out whatever bullshit report you have to frame me right now and get voted off. You have no fucking right demanding my NP action three times over. There is a limit. Out it immediately whatever your supposed report is, I'll then verify if it's made up or not and we can speed things up.

[RationalMadman]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

give me a good name for the type of bussing i'm describing then

Something scum tries to push as scummy to get a mislim on D2 after scum was limmed on D1 and said person happened to be on the wagon.

Oops, sorry.....just explained what I think you are doing

Also, completely unrelated.....wanna talk about what you did last night now?

LOL! You believe I pushed that hard on awesomeming all DP1 when Dannflor was a perfect mislim option for me there? Unless Hu Tao was my partner on top of awesomeming I can see absolutely zero possible scum motive for me there. Why the fuck do you keep asking what I did last night? You're acting like you're waiting to frame me for a visit.

I have bussed my buddy on D1, and bussed my buddy to make me the last scum

Look at the town cred you think it gives you, scum should always think big picture

I had no reason at all to do that to my partner if I was his partner. Look at how hard I kept doing it. I had every excuse to doubt my read on him as Scum, nobody other than me was hard scumreading him like I was. I am not sure you want to be framing me but go ahead and do so, please.

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: Thomith

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming and caved in when Black voted.

[RationalMadman]

Dripping goofball does have a point though idk why black is more on that point than Elements is.

There was likely 1 bussing, I don't think I big both bussing.

[RationalMadman]

Buy*

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming and caved in when Black voted.

Can you explain this in more detail? What votes seemed that way? Especially as part of this claim is outright incorrect.

First explain what is incorrect.

[RationalMadman]

VC 1.FINAL

awesomeming327 (7):

RationalMadman 266, DrippingGoofball 594, Dannflor 1153,

Thomith 1156, Black 1159,

Gibdo 1223, Elements 1261

[Elimination!]

Dannflor (3):

camelCasedSnivy 1001, Hu Tao 1026, DrNickRiviera 1030

Hu Tao (1):

Grovyle in a Fedora 736

RationalMadman (1):

awesomeming327 412

Not Voting:

ActionDan 1012

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

I voted before Black.

I feel like there is a world where the Dann wagon was the counter wagon to save potential scum!Hu Tao.

Dann then being the only other wagon with considerable speed over ming is also probably significant so its probably worth seeing how these wagons formed.

Wait what? I must see that

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: black

[RationalMadman]

I have made a grave error and remembered the order wrong. I believe because goofball quoted a different vote where Black was first that my brain warped that with the order of the bandwagon later.

I am not entirely sorry. I think Thomith could still bus as a fourth vote. However, knowing Black was vote 5 and not vote 4 makes it true that Black is the optimal vote here

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming and caved in when Black voted.

I voted before Black did.

Yeah I messed up there. I think it was Goofball quoting a different vote earlier that got me confused. I knew it was you and Black who voted after Damn and got confused who went first as during the NP I was focusing more on earlier stuff.

[RationalMadman]

Hu Tao (4): Dannflor 606, Grovyle in a Fedora 736,

Black 792, Thomith 869

awesomeming327 (2):

RationalMadman 266, DrippingGoofball 594

We can just lim black and thomith and win.

This vote quote I knew was of Hu Tao but my brain confuses it with the order later.

[RationalMadman]

I change what I said earlier, Black is entirely in the cross hairs still, my reads are actually the same as DP1.

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming

and caved in when Black voted.

I voted before Black did.

Yeah I messed up there. I think it was Goofball quoting a different vote earlier that got me confused. I knew it was you and Black who voted after Damn and got confused who went first as during the NP I was focusing more on earlier stuff.

I'd still like you to explain the bolded if possible please.

As I said, lay out your votes DP1 and justify why you're hunting down CCS and going quiet as Hu Tao Vs Dann, capitalising on it until later, when clearly you scumread awesomeming the whole time if you'd suddenly switch from HT to him.

[RationalMadman]

You want to enable almost any bandwagon other than mine that last a huge portion of the DP, on awesomeming.

[RationalMadman]

Your only issue was when I myself was bandwagined on.

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming

and caved in when Black voted.

I voted before Black did.

Yeah I messed up there. I think it was Goofball quoting a different vote earlier that got me confused. I knew it was you and Black who voted after Damn and got confused who went first as during the NP I was focusing more on earlier stuff.

I'd still like you to explain the bolded if possible please.

As I said, lay out your votes DP1 and justify why you're hunting down CCS and going quiet as Hu Tao Vs Dann, capitalising on it until later, when clearly you scumread awesomeming the whole time if you'd suddenly switch from HT to him.

This assumes you're Town, the part where I say you clearly scumread awesomeming.

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming

and caved in when Black voted.

I voted before Black did.

Yeah I messed up there. I think it was Goofball quoting a different vote earlier that got me confused. I knew it was you and Black who voted after Damn and got confused who went first as during the NP I was focusing more on earlier stuff.

I'd still like you to explain the bolded if possible please.

As I said, lay out your votes DP1 and justify why you're hunting down CCS and going quiet as Hu Tao Vs Dann, capitalising on it until later, when clearly you scumread awesomeming the whole time if you'd suddenly switch from HT to him.

Must've missed where you said that, my bad.

Hu Tao vs Dann I was mainly quiet because I believe that was the point of the day phase where I was busy irl - ill fact check this though.

Did I not justify my CCS vote when I made it?

I'll go through my ISO later today/tomorrow and rejustify things when I get the chance.

I said this during DP1 to you, when realising you went quiet during the HT Vs Dann thing

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Also idk why NickRiviera asked me why Dann died instead of me.

When Awesomeming outed as Tracker, Dann sifted being watched or tracker when saying he both didn't believe it m, instantly, as well as implying he's even more powerful potentially in that to him it's not really that powerful a role even though it can truly catch scum

[RationalMadman]

But I didn't take too much note of it or care as I'm not Scum and it could be said by a vanilla potentially. Scum had many reasons to kill Dann over me.

[RationalMadman]

and don't give me your NKA drivel please

Call what I write drivel and other insulting shit one more time and I'll genuinely make an appeal to Tris tir eplace you. You have talked down to me all game and it's reaching a limit.

[RationalMadman]

Go vote Hu Tao, flip her for all I care. When she flips Town shut the absolute fuck up about drivel and respect the guy who singlehandedly led Town to voting Awesomeming off DP1.

[RationalMadman]

I mean if I were in your shoes, Grovyle, I'd be scrambling tinjutify my own reads. You don't look too great rn.

[RationalMadman]

Justify your reads without, what's the word? Cringe drivel? Yes please do. We are tired of reading it from you while real players are voting scum off you're left on 1 man bandwagon on HT.