Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 5)

[DrNickRiviera]

Hi everybody!

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Rationalmadman

The name is already contradictory, just like medical license!

[DrNickRiviera]

Hi everybody!

*in unison*
Hi, Dr. Nick!

At least one person gets it, and congrats.....you have successfully pocketed me

Red team can post things that aren't red team motivated

Ok, but what else makes Rational part of the red team?

Apologies if you already said why

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

I disagree with basically everything he's said and then he vote no lim

Thanks Elements from the past

Is it that you disagree about his stance on RVS?

Coupled with the no lim vote, ya is weird, but would Rational be that much of a Madman to enter the game like that as scum?

Will I ask another question??

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: DrNickRivera

I think if RationalMadman truly holds the (wrong) belief that not eliminating Day 1 is best, he’s likely going to have a similar entrance as either alignment.

Town reading him over it feels like you might have too much information

Never said I am town reading him per se, but trying to figure out why exactly Elements is scum reading him.

[DrNickRiviera]

And @RationalMadman, yes you are incorrect. There is empirical evidence that good townplay and good town players can achieve a Day 1 scum elimination much better than random chance.

No one is going to vote no elimination with you. If you want to be productive and helpful, stop wall posting about that, and either join a wagon or at the very least start commenting on what you think people’s alignments might be

I do agree with you here about Rational, though. Complaining about RVS and doing nothing about it isn't exactly 'pro town's

Get used to more flippy floppy reads from me all game

[DrNickRiviera]

committing to a read is free and gives info and you can always change your mind later

Scum won't feel particularly threatened if your pushes have no teeth after all.

Willing to park here for now VOTE: elements

I like Dann, rational, kayjay, and thomith so far

What exactly has Kay done to deserve a town read?

[DrNickRiviera]

committing to a read is free and gives info and you can always change your mind later

Scum won't feel particularly threatened if your pushes have no teeth after all.

Willing to park here for now VOTE: elements

I like Dann, rational, kayjay, and thomith so far

What exactly has Kay done to deserve a town read?

You’re not allowed to ask that from my pocket Doc!

It is lonely in here though, go pocket someone else as well

[DrNickRiviera]

What does getting a red role pm mean?

It means I finally get to vote you!

VOTE: Hu Tao

But if I can put my game face on for a moment....

....this is the entrance you are talking about?

[DrNickRiviera]

you've played with me before, do you not rememebr how much of a reactionary player I am?

I'm not sure that this confirms your alignment either way though?

It doesn't
so by your smae reasoning on questioning me voting Rational for nothing alignment indicative, have you not done the same thing by voting me?

Good Point.
UNVOTE:

I will say, scum are usually more worried about the optics of a vote

If there ever was a sketch unvote, I present exhibit A

Also, who is an alt? They allow that sort of thing around here??

[DrNickRiviera]

you've played with me before, do you not rememebr how much of a reactionary player I am?

I'm not sure that this confirms your alignment either way though?

It doesn't
so by your smae reasoning on questioning me voting Rational for nothing alignment indicative, have you not done the same thing by voting me?

Good Point.
UNVOTE:

I will say, scum are usually more worried about the optics of a vote

If there ever was a sketch unvote, I present exhibit A

Also, who is an alt? They allow that sort of thing around here??

If you find my unvote suspicious, why don't you pressure me, rather than just throw shade?

Exhibit B of sketch, get angry at person pointing out Exhibit A

And I live in the shade, got plenty more to throw until I think you actually are scum.

[DrNickRiviera]

Actually, thought about it some more......this is just scum trying to bully my read

VOTE: Thomith

[DrNickRiviera]

you've played with me before, do you not rememebr how much of a reactionary player I am?

I'm not sure that this confirms your alignment either way though?

It doesn't
so by your smae reasoning on questioning me voting Rational for nothing alignment indicative, have you not done the same thing by voting me?

Good Point.
UNVOTE:

I will say, scum are usually more worried about the optics of a vote

If there ever was a sketch unvote, I present exhibit A

Also, who is an alt? They allow that sort of thing around here??

I don't understand why you jumped to this conclusion, rather than think about it just me admitting I could have been wrong?

Notice how I really didn't mention anything around the reasoning of you unvoting, just that scum will be worried about how they look when called out for a vote that maybe didn't have solid reasoning.

Town could always be wrong, especially early in D1.....why not just keep the vote on Elements? Not like they are about to be quick limmed

[DrNickRiviera]

Serious question to those who have played with me: when do I get to be considered no longer a newbie? Is it measured in time, games, annoyance level?

I think time. I still felt like a newbie months in though

I am still convinced you are an alt of someone from many moons ago

Also, curious on your thoughts about the elements/thomith/Madman dynamic

[DrNickRiviera]

I’m also working a long ass 4-day weekend and I’ve worked 42 hours and had 5 hours of sleep since Thursday. And I will be working 18 hours tomorrow. I can guarantee I will be delusional if/when I post tomorrow.

Holy smokes, you need booze

[DrNickRiviera]

I’d probably be more involved if this game started not on a weekend, until monday you’ll probably be getting half-ass dannflor

I’ll try to actually read thoroughly tonight if i get some time though

Pro tip from my former patient Homer, try using your whole ass next time

[DrNickRiviera]

Dr Nick is town.

Did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College too?!

[DrNickRiviera]

I think elements may be town

I would tend to agree

No one I'd really standing out as a scumread so far I think this is the closest to one VOTE: salty

As much as I hate this non-committal play.....coming from you I think it kinda makes you town heh

[DrNickRiviera]

Dannflor and Kayjay are scum.

I definitely am leaning Kay that way, but I think Dann is solidly town here(in a world where Rational is scum though, I could see Dann as a buddy).

But what is giving you scum pings from Dann here?

Elements, I disagree with your premise that buddies will defend each other on day one. They are 100% more likely to throw each other under the bus.

I think this is a just a play style argument, I personally would be more likely to throw a little shade at a buddy on D1, but plenty others would try to find ways to defend their buddy as well.

[DrNickRiviera]

holy shit i didnt even realize saltiest cactus was in this game????

UNVOTE: Thomith

VOTE: SaltiestCactus

Why unvote Thomith though?

[DrNickRiviera]

Outing role DP1 for no reason is antitown as fuck. Anyone who is not disgusted at that is just as bad unless they scumread it instead of assuming Town outed.

Oberbaalysing wagons is nonsense. Town unvote scum during DP1 wagons all the time and vice versa for joining wagons on Town. This is why later votes mean far more especially in clear this person vs that person dynamics. There, voting analysis begins to matter more.

Side note, very weird choice of words for Kayjayqueue to say driving a bus since that is solely used for one scum betraying a partner. Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

This seems like an overreaction. But so much of an overreaction that it may not come from scum

No it's not. It doesn't warrant a modkill itself but I'd ban her from any of my games if I were a game mod here, for sure. That kind of play is vile and has no place in mafia.

What the fuck are you even on about here??

[DrNickRiviera]

Outing role DP1 for no reason is antitown as fuck. Anyone who is not disgusted at that is just as bad unless they scumread it instead of assuming Town outed.

Oberbaalysing wagons is nonsense. Town unvote scum during DP1 wagons all the time and vice versa for joining wagons on Town. This is why later votes mean far more especially in clear this person vs that person dynamics. There, voting analysis begins to matter more.

Side note, very weird choice of words for Kayjayqueue to say driving a bus since that is solely used for one scum betraying a partner. Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

This seems like an overreaction. But so much of an overreaction that it may not come from scum

No it's not. It doesn't warrant a modkill itself but I'd ban her from any of my games if I were a game mod here, for sure. That kind of play is vile and has no place in mafia.

What the fuck are you even on about here??

Are you capable of reading what I replied to?

Are you capable of playing the game instead of spam posts about game theory that make all of our eyes bleed? And capable of understanding that your take on a no-lim is wrong by all accounts? And that calling another player vile and having that gall to suggest that the mod should ban them is insane?

Don't be a narcissistic bully

[DrNickRiviera]

Town randomly outing DP1 solely for the giggles helping Mafia narrow down PRs is a pro scum antitown move in every single way imaginable. I am shocked anything could be an overreaction to that. It's as borderline gamethrow as it gets before being gamethrow.

So you believe everything anyone says in a game of mafia?

I have seen town fake claim many many times.....I have fake claimed many many times.

It baffles me you have the gall to call her play vile and even mention a mod kill for it.....disagree with the play, sure...that is the game.

But you have had some wild theory's on how to play the game here, so you are in no place to criticize another person's play here.

Pre Edit: Don't insult other's if you can't take an insult

[DrNickRiviera]

Town randomly outing DP1 solely for the giggles helping Mafia narrow down PRs is a pro scum antitown move in every single way imaginable. I am shocked anything could be an overreaction to that. It's as borderline gamethrow as it gets before being gamethrow.

So you believe everything anyone says in a game of mafia?

I have seen town fake claim many many times.....I have fake claimed many many times.

It baffles me you have the gall to call her play vile and even mention a mod kill for it.....disagree with the play, sure...that is the game.

But you have had some wild theory's on how to play the game here, so you are in no place to criticize another person's play here.

Pre Edit: Don't insult other's if you can't take an insult

I said outing role DP1 without a very good reason is vile. I am done responding to you. Go gaslight someone else, I am not asking the bait. You are either one who can't take it back or one who is toxic and a waste of time to engage with.

You're encouraging fakeclaiming as Town in a simple Normal where everyone ought to hold Town accountable to claims. I'm that case Elements didn't claim but pretended to which is actual gamethrowing later she puts something else as nobody should believe her.

I am literally done replying to you. After this all game you don't exist to me unless others demand I respond to it. I know exactly how to handle your type. I am not the victim who will give you the reaction you want.

I am encouraging not calling another player is this game as vile and mentioning a modkill because you disagree with their play.....that is taking it out of the realm of 'arguments that are part of playing the game' and into 'being a bully and insulting a player'(not to mention the shade you through at me....then clutched your pearls when I clapped back)

So, don't be a bully.....and play the game.....that is all.

[DrNickRiviera]

I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

That’s my fault. I tend to be a superfluous writer in these games, it’s just how I express myself. I tend to over explain everything (even this post, I can’t help myself wtf)

I need to get my head back in the game

Kay, 50 words or less......why aren't you scum?

Go!

[DrNickRiviera]

I’m an over achiever!

I would disagree heh

[DrNickRiviera]

I think Dann is solidly town here

can you describe this read

Well for one, I can understand the post you made right after this one casing me as scum, or I mean I get where you are coming from.

And also vibes, this doesn't 'feel' like scumDann

I do disagree with you about Hu though, I know she plays somewhat similar as both alignments.....but her non committal stances here don't seem as forced as I have seen from her as scum.

I know that seems like a weird contradiction lol, but hard to really put it into words what I mean.

[DrNickRiviera]

it's not really the initial vote but the trajectory afterwards

people called it like opportunistic but i think an actually opportunistic!scum vote would have invented some reason for Rational to be scum, elements fully admits that she isn't voting Rational because she necessarily thinks he's scum, at least not until later in the game

And you wonder why I think you are town.

Unless you are scum with Elements of course, scum Dann doesn't make this post

[DrNickRiviera]

nick what are your reads outside of thomith and dann

Well I already talked about elements and Hu as prob town, Rational as begrudgingly a town lean, Kay is more of a scum lean

I don't quite get the scum reads on you

Any further questions?

[DrNickRiviera]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

[DrNickRiviera]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

why are CCS votes good to you?

I don't like Thomith on that wagon, but I also don't think CCS has done a anything townie, one of them flipping I feel would help sort the other for me

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: CCS

[DrNickRiviera]

Hi

[DrNickRiviera]

Everybody!!!

I wanted post 666

[DrNickRiviera]

Hi Dr Nick

Well if it isn't my old friend Mr McGreg...with a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg!

[DrNickRiviera]

There is no use to delay the vote on awesomeming

Except to vote CCS, or Thomith, or Hu

Yes I have turned on Hu

[DrNickRiviera]

There is no use to delay the vote on awesomeming

Except to vote CCS, or Thomith, or Hu

Yes I have turned on Hu

Who have collectively as 3 had less scumtells than awesomeming alone

All according to you?

[DrNickRiviera]

camel what are your thoughts on your wagon

I want to talk about the camelcasedsnivy wagon. While thomith gave a remotely viable reason, dann elements and hu tao dropped naked votes on camel

within a few posts of each other

and this concerns me because perhaps

the only remarkable thing about camel's posts is how unremarkable they've been.

and then later dr nick also drops a naked vote

like what the hell guys am i just not in the loop is this some site meta i'm supposed to know about?

Ya the bold part is what does it for me

[DrNickRiviera]

gibdo and salty are also very unremarkable posting

Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.

I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.

Be the change you want to be lol

Let's have a thought experiment

Gun to your head, who is the scum team

I will respond with mine as well

[DrNickRiviera]

gibdo and salty are also very unremarkable posting

Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.

I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.

Be the change you want to be lol

Let's have a thought experiment

Gun to your head, who is the scum team

I will respond with mine as well

Oh god I don’t know. Hu, salty, awesomeming/ccs? It could literally be anyone right now except Thom, Elements, and Rational - from my perspective.

No, commit to it

Who is the scum team

[DrNickRiviera]

I don’t know. I gave you what I thought. Hu, salty, awesomeming/ccs. But I don’t know how this helps anyone.

It definitely helps me

Why is Thomith a 'definitely' not scum?

[DrNickRiviera]

Also, where am I in the mix?

[DrNickRiviera]

No. I believe you just slipped pretending to reread. You read enough to join a wagon to eliminate Hu Tao yet didn't read a building case on awesomeming.

I read the page before I joined in and that's it. I don't have to have an extensive case on someone to vote them

I'll look over ming later. Thanks for the summary

Hey don't worry. You don't have to make up stories here. Save that for court!

[DrNickRiviera]

Elements - maybe town
DrippingGoofball - ???
DrNickRiviera - town
RationalMadman - town
Grovyle in a Fedora - idk
Hu Tao - Hu Taown
Black - unsure
SaltiestCactus23 - scummy
Thomith - unsure I think I want to lean town
camelCasedSnivy - scummy
Dannflor - sus
awesomeming327 - towny
Gibdo - idk slightly leaning towny

Updated

Other than Thomith and myself, I don't understand your townreads, as in what logic are you using?

You said youre unsure of Black yet you outright scumread Kayjay shortly before.

I go based on vibes. In terms of the Black/Kay slot I felt like Kay could be scum because of what I stated, but it could have been wrong. When black replaced in I'm comfortable giving that slot more time because I think I can read black pretty well, I've never been wrong about her. So given time, her alignment will show to me.

You've never been wrong about Black?

I am curious if she will agree

[DrNickRiviera]

I actually don't see Dann pushing me like this as town, so I'm leaning scum on him now. I could understand a push but a tunnel like this is not like him ever.

Your reads are barely skin deep and I haven’t felt this certain about a scum read in a long while

It’s not like I’m really known to tunnel as scum either so I think you’re just grasping at straws

Ehhh

First real chink in the armor for you Dann

[DrNickRiviera]

I actually don't see Dann pushing me like this as town, so I'm leaning scum on him now. I could understand a push but a tunnel like this is not like him ever.

Your reads are barely skin deep and I haven’t felt this certain about a scum read in a long while

It’s not like I’m really known to tunnel as scum either so I think you’re just grasping at straws

Ehhh

First real chink in the armor for you Dann

Okay!

Snarky Dann is not town Dann

[DrNickRiviera]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goofball

*poke*

God Dammit

I like this

VOTE: Goof

[DrNickRiviera]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goofball

*poke*

God Dammit

I like this

VOTE: Goof

Why?

Combo of feeling better about Thomith, and wanting Goof to do more, they are being a bit too passive for my liking

I think Hu Tao would care more about being run up as town

I have only seen her get real fired when she was scum and being on the verge of a lim

[DrNickRiviera]

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

I agree, me no likey

Also, fwiw......I am back thinking you are town

[DrNickRiviera]

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

I agree, me no likey

Also, fwiw......I am back thinking you are town

Thoughts on what I said about Dann and his contradicting between both games?

VOTE: Dann

[DrNickRiviera]

god reading your posts is actually making me feel sick

Me?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'll take note of that mixup by Gibdo though, it's a scumslip potentially, due to (potentially) fabricating a readslist.

Wouldn't scum be more careful about that sort of thing?

Also, how often are their actual 'scum slips'?

[DrNickRiviera]

It's safe to say that there's at least one town between Dannflor and Hu Tao from how hard they're going for each other's throats.

Agree here, neither are players to really hard buss as scum as well

[DrNickRiviera]

Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

No, Dan is pretty awesome

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

I am quite literally back and forth on Hu, and also on Dann

I am beginning to fear that this is TvT with them though

Pre Edit: Hu, I have only experience with you on my main

[DrNickRiviera]

I used to be known for bussing as scum so I'm not sure if you're just outing false meta or not is why I ask.

Oh, well I don't remember you bussing as scum

Though maybe I need to look back at a few games

[DrNickRiviera]

Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

Thoughts on camel?

I think Town. The reason is that Snivy's wagon and the whole situation seemed like Scum were happy letting it stay that way. The similar thing happened with yours.

Can you elaborate on Camel?

[DrNickRiviera]

i kinda dont really care for doing more solving today honestly im in "flip something and we get info next day" mode and if i die i die and people just sheep my poe(hopefully)

This is where I am at(though with probably less solving lol), this D1 has been tough to follow and personally I feel a flip would help the game state

If you weren't gonna put Awesome at E-1 I was going to....so I guess this is an intent to hammer as well

[DrNickRiviera]

I was never trying to frame KJQ back then (see 412)
I already responded to the part where I made a townie argument because I didn't know you were experienced in post 412

Please go read that again thanks

please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

Ignore him for the moment and just answer my Qs ty!

i think elements has done towny things and scummy things. i do not have a solid read.

vibes are certainly good and progression with dann is also good

def a townread

i would like anyone who thinks rational's arguments have even a shred of logic in them to have a talk with me

bah this is mildly towny tho

If I am scum and about to limmed, I would try to town it up a bit.....but also go into 'put my buddies in the best spot possible' mode

[DrNickRiviera]

*about to be limmed

Like, there is already wifom created around Hu and Rational

[DrNickRiviera]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

I waffled over Dann and Hu most of D1, and literally declared intent to hammer Awesome.

What did you do last night?

[DrNickRiviera]

Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

No, Dan is pretty awesome

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

I am quite literally back and forth on Hu, and also on Dann

I am beginning to fear that this is TvT with them though

Pre Edit: Hu, I have only experience with you on my main

And this is one of my last posts talking about both Hu and Dann, and my reads on both

So you were saying?

[DrNickRiviera]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

I waffled over Dann and Hu most of D1, and literally declared intent to hammer Awesome.

What did you do last night?

If you are coming after me if I don't put my actions during the NP I am down to 1v1.

Calm down cowboy, you were asking for investigators to out themselves, so I figured you should start with what you did.

[DrNickRiviera]

Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

No, Dan is pretty awesome

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

I am quite literally back and forth on Hu, and also on Dann

I am beginning to fear that this is TvT with them though

Pre Edit: Hu, I have only experience with you on my main

And this is one of my last posts talking about both Hu and Dann, and my reads on both

So you were saying?

Words don't meet actions.

Not even slightly.

In fact until I pushed harder for Awesomeming it seemed you were content voting someone you Townread the entire DP in a showdown you feed TvT over awesomeming. Still seems that way.

Notice how I deemed them TvT late in my iso, like after they had been going back and forth for awhile

Forgive me for dropping a vote or two along the way

Pre Edit: You don't have to do anything, but if you want investigative roles to out themselves, I just want you to say what you did last night as well

[DrNickRiviera]

Idc what you want, I fully believe you're scum.

I am not naive either.

Scum killed Dannflor to partly frame those after him, that is patently obvious. However, who after Dannflor did everyone suspect? Hu Tao and CCS.

It was those 2 specifically being framed by aiming for him, meaning even another after him can be scum so long as the other was either unvoting (ActionDan) or on the Awesomeming bandwagon.

Ok, but in the surface you were pretty obvTown after leading the charge on Awesome for a good part of the day, wouldn't you say?

Why would you be left alive over someone like Dann, who still had some good scum equity?

I am asking since it seems you know exactly how the scum team is operating

[DrNickRiviera]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

Scam want to appear consistent, I am unconcerned with this.

I am not scum

But Dr Nick is definitely a scam doctor

[DrNickRiviera]

I actually don't see Dann pushing me like this as town, so I'm leaning scum on him now. I could understand a push but a tunnel like this is not like him ever.

Your reads are barely skin deep and I haven’t felt this certain about a scum read in a long while

It’s not like I’m really known to tunnel as scum either so I think you’re just grasping at straws

Ehhh

First real chink in the armor for you Dann

Why was this a chink in the armor at the time?

I know Dann will tunnel as scum, so felt like creating a false narrative about his scum game

[DrNickRiviera]

DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

I waffled over Dann and Hu most of D1, and literally declared intent to hammer Awesome.

What did you do last night?

This isn't true, or at least not based on 841. You said the first chink in Dann's armor was here near the end of D1 when momentum for his wagon was picking up

How is page 34 near the end of D1??

[DrNickRiviera]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

4 days....but who's counting? You, that's who lol

Also, from earlier in D1, or as you would call it.....EOD right around the corner

Also, hi I am an alt....played a bunch with Dann...and Hu on my main. Slowly getting both their town games down, was seeing it early from Dann and somewhat from Hu, after 841 the real waffling started, especially after(I believe their fight started before that, could be wrong there) they butted heads....which as you can imagine I was very interested in.

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

[DrNickRiviera]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

[DrNickRiviera]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

give me a good name for the type of bussing i'm describing then

Something scum tries to push as scummy to get a mislim on D2 after scum was limmed on D1 and said person happened to be on the wagon.

Oops, sorry.....just explained what I think you are doing

Also, completely unrelated.....wanna talk about what you did last night now?

[DrNickRiviera]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

4 days....but who's counting? You, that's who lol

Also, from earlier in D1, or as you would call it.....EOD right around the corner

Also, hi I am an alt....played a bunch with Dann...and Hu on my main. Slowly getting both their town games down, was seeing it early from Dann and somewhat from Hu, after 841 the real waffling started, especially after(I believe their fight started before that, could be wrong there) they butted heads....which as you can imagine I was very interested in.

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I am not following your thought process at all. You also get some VIP privilege to hide your main from others which I assume is part of Normal Game conduct that we can't demand it.

If you had to name scum rn who would you name?

Also this isn't a good time for me. I can better give myself to this game in a couple days' time but even then I'm a bit busier irl depending which hours.

People use alts all the time here

Personally I wanted to play some games without my meta being out there, also I don't know why you think it helps me here lol

Well, I am not talking about who is scum until you answer my question

Pre Edit: When you respond in that manner, I kinda do think that yes...... literally if you answer my question all suspicion could go away.

Hell, be as vague as possible if needed, don't out your role

[DrNickRiviera]

Those 3 are my scumpool rn.

I am also debating if goofball hardbused earlier on hoping things stayed how they did and the Awesomeming wagon gained momentumw at too hard and fast for her to justify unvoting and saving him, explaining awesomeming's defeatism at the end and why he didn't vote Dannflor.

How did I hardbus anything?

I was pretty much prod-dodging all day 1.

Hard us meaning voted him early and stuck to it. Not hardbus as in campaign for it. I believe you hoped it failed if you did it.

It succeeded so suddenly that you could not justify unvoting at that point.

I think you need to better understand what a hard buss is....

give me a good name for the type of bussing i'm describing then

Something scum tries to push as scummy to get a mislim on D2 after scum was limmed on D1 and said person happened to be on the wagon.

Oops, sorry.....just explained what I think you are doing

Also, completely unrelated.....wanna talk about what you did last night now?

LOL! You believe I pushed that hard on awesomeming all DP1 when Dannflor was a perfect mislim option for me there? Unless Hu Tao was my partner on top of awesomeming I can see absolutely zero possible scum motive for me there. Why the fuck do you keep asking what I did last night? You're acting like you're waiting to frame me for a visit.

I have bussed my buddy on D1, and bussed my buddy to make me the last scum

Look at the town cred you think it gives you, scum should always think big picture

[DrNickRiviera]

RM could have done the scummiest thing imaginable to you Nick, but he didn't kill you, so scum don't need to more any more than they do ATM.

Let's not get ahead of yourself Hu.

What do you mean here Dan? In regards to me I mean

[DrNickRiviera]

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I guess I'm just confused because you said the first chink in his armor happened almost 900 posts into the game. I'll admit I haven't read the first 30 pages so I'm not even sure if that's accurate fypov but to me that statement suggests you didn't consider he could be scum until then

I did, but wasn't really vocalizing it much and wanted to give Dann room to expose himself one way or another. So I get how it can seem like I wasn't really waffling the whole day, but internally I was.

But again, this whole discourse was me responding to Rational who said I was town reading Dann the whole day, which just isn't true

[DrNickRiviera]

I mean you're not dead and clearly RM has a scumread on you. So... if say he attempted to do something to you with a pointedly scum role (like vanillazer or the like) I'm not holding it against RM.

I am not worried about me not dying, or what he may or may not have attempted to do to me

I'm also saying don't out shit

What do you say to Rational who asked for investigative roles to out themselves? If he wants that, he should tell the class what he did last night.

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

This was in response to Black, if not clear

[DrNickRiviera]

@nick if RM is an investigate role encouraging all investigatives to share results, I wouldn't look twice. I do not care if that is the case

Think about that for a few more minutes......

And I am not being a dick here lol, I know how it seems

But just let what you said stew for a couple minutes

[DrNickRiviera]

Also, ftr

I would not ask Rational to say what did last night if he didn't ask for all investigative roles to out themselves first

[DrNickRiviera]

i kinda dont really care for doing more solving today honestly im in "flip something and we get info next day" mode and if i die i die and people just sheep my poe(hopefully)

This is where I am at(though with probably less solving lol), this D1 has been tough to follow and personally I feel a flip would help the game state

If you weren't gonna put Awesome at E-1 I was going to....so I guess this is an intent to hammer as well

Why did you declare intent to hammer and then go MIA for 21 hours until someone else hammered?

Like I think your progression from "I think one of Hu/Dann is scum" to "this might be tvt let me hammer ming" feels somewhat townie but the lack of follow through with the hammer ruins it all for me

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

[DrNickRiviera]

I've played in a few games with neighborizer where the hood was open since game start, so if anyone here was hooded by dann, please, before the day ends, claim that you were hooded and if he had written in it if it was indeed open since game start.

otherwise I will assume scum got hooded here.

Has everyone checked in? Because I do think it would be weird that someone wouldn't claim to be hooded......thought not sure what the nar is for that when being NK'ed

[DrNickRiviera]

to be clear, i claim I wasn't hooded here.

I hard claim Hectic-alt

[DrNickRiviera]

I think I agree that scum are trying to frame Hu. I don't really see Hu making that hit

this literally doesnt happen, i thought you were supposed to be one of the better scum players on the site?

First of all rude. I'm decent but there's countless people better than me

I'm kinda shocked you think scum don't consider the ramifications of the kill when deciding who gets the bullet

I will agree with Black here

Fedora, it does seem a bit that you are assuming how you would play things is exactly how others would play it.....never good to make these assumptions

[DrNickRiviera]

ergo at best you should say the kill has no bearing on what hu tao's alignment is, and I personally already believed hu tao was scum at eod1 and think their entrance to d2 was scummy

I definitely do agree with your D2 read on Hu

[DrNickRiviera]

Grovyle I'll give you a cookie if you tell me your main

remind me when we're both dead or the game is over for me to do this, i like cookies

Woah, share the cookies with all alts please

[DrNickRiviera]

sorry you're a doctor and cookies are bad for you

I once recommended this:

'You need to focus on the neglected food groups, such as the Whipped group, the congealed group and the Chocotastic!'

So ya, give me the damn cookies

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Hu

Fedora is literally one of two people, both of which I wouldn't see as scum here

Also, Hu and Black......please don't fight, you both are awesome

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Hu Tao

One day you'll stop scum reading me every game and actually try to read me and see if I'm town or not

This is town.

Why would you say that?

[DrNickRiviera]

As a doctor, I recommend Rational take like 24 hours not posting.

You are not doing anything to benefit town right now, even in the off chance you are town and are correct on some of your reads, no one is going to listen to you when you post like this

Also, when you come back.....please let's talk about what you did last night.

[DrNickRiviera]

As a doctor, I recommend Rational take like 24 hours not posting.

You are not doing anything to benefit town right now, even in the off chance you are town and are correct on some of your reads, no one is going to listen to you when you post like this

Also, when you come back.....please let's talk about what you did last night.

I am doing many things to benefit Town right now.

I'll give a shit what you think of my playstyle when I respect you as a player. Seems there's mutual lack of it here.

Alrighty then

You do know that this is a game that we play to have fun, right?

I am saying to take some time away from the game because it seems like you are not having too much fun, and most of the rest of the players here are not having too much fun because of your posting.

This isn't a slap to your face, or even an insult, just the truth.

Maybe others, and I will include myself in this group, were maybe a bit insulting, but you have to take a look in the mirror to understand how toxic you are making the game now.

So please, for the sake of every player here, for your sake, and the health of the game......step away for a little bit

I won't join in on the policy lim, I won't advocate for your replacement, or even blacklist you....I will even apologize if I contributed to making you feel insulted or what not.....but please take a breather

Pre Edit: The last part of that post is part of the game, this post here is me talking to you man to man

[DrNickRiviera]

This has been fun but rational has been town since *checks notes* forever.

BTW gibdo is clearly town please dont touch the mummy.

CCS makes sense as everyone's partner. CCS is scum. Please redirect all your transient attentions in that direction

I am really thinking CCS could be scum, they do tend to obvScum it up when red

And not that I disagree per se, but why is Gibdo clearly town?

VOTE: CCS

[DrNickRiviera]

If I wasn't townreading the vibe of nick I'd be scumreading him.

This needs some splaining

[DrNickRiviera]

If I wasn't townreading the vibe of nick I'd be scumreading him.

This needs some splaining

It makes sense to me. Your vibes are towny, your actions are not

There is the splaining I asked about, expound on what about my actions are scummy

[DrNickRiviera]

Idk they just are at times. Seems you switch things to quickly. Why vote who I scumread when you scumread me for 2 days

Are we talking about Dann again?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'll tell you why Black with ActionDan makes a lot of sense as well; KJQ replaced out. Idk how much or little were allowed to theorise around that but it's in the game as data to incorporate to reads.

KJQ if with 2 very inactive members Saltiest Cactus and Awesomeming would probably tilt and quit once her reliable friend Hu Tao she often plays with OMGUSes her and feels pressured by the fact I am also after her partner.

This may also explain why ActionDan and Black nightkill Dannflor. It's pretty perfect for them. When Dannflor dies, focus shifts to HuTao and CCS based on prior suspicions most held. Then, all they need to do is hope it pans out that one of the two is voted off and leave the other alive to end up voted off later, it's clear if this is the team that they want Hu Tao around later as a scapegoat

I tried to play nice

But how can anyone take your reads seriously after this post??

There are so many assumptions made here, I am beginning to think you are an alt that just likes trolling games

You are just voting people in hopes of a lim, as soon as you realize you can't get a lim on one person......you switch to someone else

You want a war, you got one

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

What did you do last night?????

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

Your reads change every time you can't get momentum on a lim

[DrNickRiviera]

I want a lim in my scumpool, I'll vote any of them to stop CCS being voted off.

When Elements voted a ton of people for no reason DP1 you didn't say there's a war, it's only wrong when I do it even if I do it for good reasons.

You are deflecting......I am asking you, not elements....or anyone else

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

What did you do last night?????

You have 1 chance to put whatever you're pretending to have on me. At this point you're spamming at me. Eventually the spam is enough.

Then answer the question

What are you gonna do cowboy??

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

Your reads change every time you can't get momentum on a lim

If you say so. My reads can change firstly, just as anyone else's can.

My reads have had you in the nullpool later in DP1 and now the scumpool. Nothing much has changed. I just think you're less likely than Black who is the single most probable scumpartner based on various factors.

You hard scum read me right at the jump of D2, then when no one bit.....you quickly jumped to someone else

[DrNickRiviera]

I want a lim in my scumpool, I'll vote any of them to stop CCS being voted off.

When Elements voted a ton of people for no reason DP1 you didn't say there's a war, it's only wrong when I do it even if I do it for good reasons.

You are deflecting......I am asking you, not elements....or anyone else

As I told others, I am in the highest hierarchical position even if nobody respects me or sees it. If you're framing me be direct. I have nothing to out until you fucked up and framed me. As for what I'll do, I'll ask Tris how the spam rule works.

Asking you what you did at night is literally me playing the game.....threatening mod action against me for that I am pretty sure is against site rules

[DrNickRiviera]

i feel like im not the only one to pop into thread, see several RM posts, and immediately lose the will to play in this game

Yes, OMG yes......I have chose to step into hell now though

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

Your reads change every time you can't get momentum on a lim

If you say so. My reads can change firstly, just as anyone else's can.

My reads have had you in the nullpool later in DP1 and now the scumpool. Nothing much has changed. I just think you're less likely than Black who is the single most probable scumpartner based on various factors.

You hard scum read me right at the jump of D2, then when no one bit.....you quickly jumped to someone else

I am genuinely not replying to you directly anymore until you apologise and completely drop the bullshit claim you have some information about my night period actions or conversely you claim it.

Holy shit.....this cannot be a real thought you had.....you have to be a troll.

Why the fuck would I apologize about in game information I may or may not have???

I want a lim in my scumpool, I'll vote any of them to stop CCS being voted off.

When Elements voted a ton of people for no reason DP1 you didn't say there's a war, it's only wrong when I do it even if I do it for good reasons.

You are deflecting......I am asking you, not elements....or anyone else

As I told others, I am in the highest hierarchical position even if nobody respects me or sees it. If you're framing me be direct. I have nothing to out until you fucked up and framed me. As for what I'll do, I'll ask Tris how the spam rule works.

Asking you what you did at night is literally me playing the game.....threatening mod action against me for that I am pretty sure is against site rules

You literally asked what am I going to do. Go cry to the site mods then, let's see who ends up punished. You're the one threatening mod action.

You keep asking Tris about site rules about spamming......when you are just complaining about me asking you about actions that happened in this game........you cannot be a serious player right now

And you are the one threatining mod action against me

What the fuck is wrong with you????

[DrNickRiviera]

I am glad others are starting to see KayJay-scum.

Why would Dann be scum?

You know what is a really solid scum tell? Asking me what the secret scum tell is. Why would a townie care?

its because i think your reads are tmi

any of them?

i dont think a single one has been explained

also, if I may be so bold to ask, why are you voting me?

your push on hu tao is unnatural to me

okay but why does that make them TMI

because goofball is pulling them outta their ass?

idk how "secret tells" are supposed to help town

ok in retrospect this looks really bad and actually points directly at hu tao + CCS lmao

I think I am fine with either tbh

I am trying not to just say fuck it and hard policy lim RM at this point

[DrNickRiviera]

i mean ill say it, i strongly think RM is a PR and mafia should 100% kill that slot

wink wink theres a free grovyle PR read

and if its not PR then its scum simple as that

problem solved

Fine, I role copped him and he is a JOAT

DO YOUR WORST SCUM!!!

[DrNickRiviera]

atp i wanna say DrNick thomith and gibido are my most confident townreads and then as an extension actiondan if im not being a coward and directly under that is RM and black

actually swap actiondan and black

Kinda the same, outside of Thomith being a confident town read......and Black wouldn't be too confident about as well

[DrNickRiviera]

atp i wanna say DrNick thomith and gibido are my most confident townreads and then as an extension actiondan if im not being a coward and directly under that is RM and black

actually swap actiondan and black

Kinda the same, outside of Thomith being a confident town read......and Black wouldn't be too confident about as well

Do you have a guilty on Rational?

Trust me, if I had a hard guilty on Rational I would share

Doesn't mean I don't have 'something' on him though

[DrNickRiviera]

Idk they just are at times. Seems you switch things to quickly. Why vote who I scumread when you scumread me for 2 days

Are we talking about Dann again?

I'm voting ccs and have scumread them for 2 days. But you're fine jumping on the wagon after others do. Yet not sus of me pushing there even though I'm your top scumread

Well thanks for assuming my reads

[DrNickRiviera]

i mean ill say it, i strongly think RM is a PR and mafia should 100% kill that slot

wink wink theres a free grovyle PR read

and if its not PR then its scum simple as that

problem solved

Fine, I role copped him and he is a JOAT

DO YOUR WORST SCUM!!!

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

I would think, of all players, you would understand that this was a joke

[DrNickRiviera]

i mean ill say it, i strongly think RM is a PR and mafia should 100% kill that slot

wink wink theres a free grovyle PR read

and if its not PR then its scum simple as that

problem solved

Fine, I role copped him and he is a JOAT

DO YOUR WORST SCUM!!!

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

I would think, of all players, you would understand that this was a joke

224

I hate you haha

[DrNickRiviera]

Grovyle let's play a game: how wrong can you be all game and still come out confident about your mafia skills.

No, you first

[DrNickRiviera]

Idk they just are at times. Seems you switch things to quickly. Why vote who I scumread when you scumread me for 2 days

Are we talking about Dann again?

I'm voting ccs and have scumread them for 2 days. But you're fine jumping on the wagon after others do. Yet not sus of me pushing there even though I'm your top scumread

Well thanks for assuming my reads

How is it assuming your reads when it's literally what you said?

I don't know if you are scum or not, and I independently was scum reading CCS. So just because someone(you) who I think may be scum is voting them, that isn't necessarily going to stop me from voting them.

Also, I have said I have been back and forth on you most of the game, not like I am locking you as scum at this point

[DrNickRiviera]

Also Enchant for Rational?

Seems like a fair trade

[DrNickRiviera]

I am tired of pretending i know how to play mafia can you just case it

cases are for nerds

I literally play dnd

omg same!

nerd

*Shouts in Homer*

'NERRRRRDDDDDD!!!!'

[DrNickRiviera]

I'll do some reading this evening

this didn't happen but here's a list

Would be willing to vote:
DrippingGoofball
Hu Tao
Black
camelCasedSnivy
Gibdo

Don't want to vote:
DrNickRiviera
Enchant
Grovyle in a Fedora
ActionDan
Thomith

Talk to me about Gibdo, everyone seems to be hard town reading him

Why would you be willing to vote him?

[DrNickRiviera]

Talk to me about Gibdo, everyone seems to be hard town reading him

Why would you be willing to vote him?

I can understand why Elements would be ok with voting me in the sense that I've been generally lurkier than other players, but it definitely does raise an eyebrow because I'd like to think that my posts have looked more town than my grandma looks pruny.

This is a weird thing to say though

And I want to vote you for that bad joke

[DrNickRiviera]

Anyway don't touch that one DGB, Gibdo off limits

Such weird movement around Gibdo....yet I don't know if I agree more with elements or Dan here

Like I feel like the hooded claim is very convenient......but is also very easily counter claimed, so would scum take that chance?

[DrNickRiviera]

There's nothing convenient about it. It clearly happened. Aside from the fact it's rather cold blooded and unnecessary if Gibdo were scum to kill his irl friend that town read him D1 (and also a known powerless role), Gibdo has been town independently, obviously so.

Why wouldn't you make an effort to claim it right away?

[DrNickRiviera]

Hello friends

I'll be around in 3ish hours to catch up. I'd appreciate an unvote.

UNVOTE:

[DrNickRiviera]

Actually, thought about it some more......this is just scum trying to bully my read

VOTE: Thomith

My Page 5 thoughts are kind of just that this was an accurate read?

I have Enchant/Elements/Groyvle as town so far and think Thomith is sus

I actually don't know why I went away from this read, I gotta reassess Thomith.

Also, the game is about to get bonkers for you very soon in your reading lol

[DrNickRiviera]

UNVOTE:

I forgot you were in this game

This means you abd your partner aren't planning on killing me

I'm on Page 20 and I'm tired

Scum is Thomith and probably one of {Black, ActionDan, Gibdo}

I'll try and find out more tomorrow

Out of these maybe I'd vote thomith

You think Elements and Thomith are likely partners?

[DrNickRiviera]

I feel bad for KJQ being in this game regardless of her alignment, but particularly if she drew scum with a potato team again

Well, the self professed scum queen repped in for her, so the scum team isn't that potato in that world haha

(Also, this isn't me saying I think Black is scum)

[DrNickRiviera]

UNVOTE:

I forgot you were in this game

This means you abd your partner aren't planning on killing me

I'm on Page 20 and I'm tired

Scum is Thomith and probably one of {Black, ActionDan, Gibdo}

I'll try and find out more tomorrow

Out of these maybe I'd vote thomith

You think Elements and Thomith are likely partners?

I think a lot of people can be scum

Do you have an updated reads list?

[DrNickRiviera]

For someone like klick that should be a rather no brainer. Fawning over DGB's reads is dubious as well.

I'd have only reconsidered my read if Klick was immaculately townie but that just is not the case here.

Reading Klick's catchup the DGB stuff was the most puzzling to me, I almost wonder if Klick has a good record reading her? I know I tend to get a bit cocky thinking I can read certain people off of not much

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm pretty sure this is Hu Tao's town game
I have a pretty good track record of reading Hu Tao
I have a fairly limited experience with her as scum, but I also think she has a really clear town perspective when she is town

Like this is something not real at all, and the push on thomith is entirely based on his play being "weird" imo.

I'm impressed by the weaving here but if you think past "lots of words" you quickly see what this slot is pushing an agenda to save Hu tao. I'm going to abandon pushing Hu tao for now just in case it's a white knight and we can test after they're dead, but this is the optimal kill today.

Also seems odd to say you know Hu's town game even though you seem to not be overly familiar with her town game(the you being Klick)

Especially when I have been in games with Hu when she says she makes a concerted effort to mirror her play under any alignment

[DrNickRiviera]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

Are you referring to both Elements and Dan here?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

Hmm, good point, it is just you. In my mind there were others when thinking about it.

Also, that sounds like a fake scum read you have there.......you gotta give an example.

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Hu

[DrNickRiviera]

I wouldn't be so sure on enchant and gibdo

Especially since enchant had been lurky here, motivated town enchant puts in effort

Plus Rational never answered my question, which I am sure enchant will never bother to answer

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

I definitely agree here, Hu kinda seems transparently scummy here

I also feel like Hu is capable of overly protecting a buddy like she is doing with Klick

She is no the bussing type imo

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Klick

e-1

Intent to hammer

I am worried Hu is doing everything she can to sway the vote off of Klick the last couple pages

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm rereading elements again and again coming to a town conclusion. I'm not sure I'm the best person to read elements though as foe something like 3 games in a row I've called her town when she was scum. Still think she's town here.

If a random wagon came up I'd have more preferred Dr nick just because 1929 was truly a crap post.

Doesn't matter. Please do the right thing and hammer klick

What the fuck? What is the issue with 1929?

VOTE: Klick

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

I definitely agree here, Hu kinda seems transparently scummy here

I also feel like Hu is capable of overly protecting a buddy like she is doing with Klick

She is no the bussing type imo

Like, explain how Hu isn't coming off scummy here

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm a VT.

I trust most of you to take this as an opportunity to significantly reevaluate. Don't get cocky, you don't have the answers until they're confirmed. This group needs a solid foundation for townreads.

I'm hoping the interactions around my wagon are decently telling

I don't buy this, had plenty of time to claim, but then posts right when they are hammered

Pre Edit: My anger is with Dan saying my post was crap

I already declared intent awhile ago

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm a VT.

I trust most of you to take this as an opportunity to significantly reevaluate. Don't get cocky, you don't have the answers until they're confirmed. This group needs a solid foundation for townreads.

I'm hoping the interactions around my wagon are decently telling

I don't buy this, had plenty of time to claim, but then posts right when they are hammered

Pre Edit: My anger is with Dan saying my post was crap

I already declared intent awhile ago

You don't buy their claim AFTER there was a hammer. LMFAO

I literally have seen scum do this many times

I literally have done this many times as scum

[DrNickRiviera]

Something that is bothering me is the fact that Nick questioned Rational multiple times what he did N1 and now we know Rational didn't do anything. So it kinda feels like PR fishing

They wanted to out investigative roles, in a way that made it seem like they did something at Night as well, I had a very logical reason why I wanted Rational to out themselves if he was trying to out any cop(ie, say what he did)

Maybe it's just Hu/Nick

They've been scumreading each other but neither seems to be willing to fully commit to a vote on the other

Also Hu had that weird read on Nick that was him doing scummy stuff but having a townie tone or something. I can't find it I'm on mobile

What?

I had been voting Hu for a decent part of the day yesterday.....or at least towards the end. Only switched to Klick since there was no momentum on Hu for whatever reason and it seemed like she was protecting Klick as well

[DrNickRiviera]

I mainly voted Nick to see if you would join me

I'm much more confident in scum!you than I am in scum!Nick

what do you think about thomith?

I for one could go back to Thomith, but I am always gonna feel Hu is just scum here.

And I am not sure what Black is doing with her basically saying that Hu and I could be buddies, my tinfoil hat is shimmering with the thought that she would love the lim to be between Hu and I to setup a mislim(in a world where Hu actually is town)

I also am curious to here Dan's catch up

[DrNickRiviera]

@Grovyle
@Nick

Why is Thomith scum?

I go back to a fairly early interaction we had, he seemed to not be as scummy since then, but still has been something in the back of my mind.

I think the better question is, why is he townie.

Also can bring up the interaction if you need.....just kinda don't want to right now on my phone lol

[DrNickRiviera]

This game is making me feel like I'm crazy. no one is seeing the game as I am

Ok you think I am scum, and I can only assume you think elements is scum lol

What do you make of how Black has been this day phase?

[DrNickRiviera]

She's still being her town self. I just need her to trust me every once on awhile

But why should she trust you here?

[DrNickRiviera]

Why not

Compelling rebuttal

Why are you town?

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Hu

Game seems to be stalling a bit

Still feel this is the best course of action

[DrNickRiviera]

Can we please vote Dr nick today. Does anyone actually Town read him? His end of day yesterday was very forced as well.

Because you said I faked anger towards Dan to explain my lol hammer when I already declared intent?

[DrNickRiviera]

also coming around to a townlean on hu tao here has given me a bit of a funny picture with how drnick is still pushing the slot and the 3 posts in a row where other players said they dont want to push nick - being stuck on hu could just be scum indicative here, and that combined with the fact I have mostly townread the players around them, means resolving the slot is likely a hit
VOTE: DrNick

I would see the writing on the wall and move off of Hu if I was scum.....or more specifically I would have held back my vote for now

I am always concerned about the optics of my actions as scum, not so much as town.

I don't care if everyone keeps town reading Hu, I still think she is scum(though probably is becoming a vanity wagon at this point)

[DrNickRiviera]

also coming around to a townlean on hu tao here has given me a bit of a funny picture with how drnick is still pushing the slot and the 3 posts in a row where other players said they dont want to push nick - being stuck on hu could just be scum indicative here, and that combined with the fact I have mostly townread the players around them, means resolving the slot is likely a hit
VOTE: DrNick

I would see the writing on the wall and move off of Hu if I was scum.....or more specifically I would have held back my vote for now

I am always concerned about the optics of my actions as scum, not so much as town.

I don't care if everyone keeps town reading Hu, I still think she is scum(though probably is becoming a vanity wagon at this point)

where would you have seen the writing on the wall? can you ellaborate?

Well it is a theoretical situation you see

I just meant that in this exact scenario, where the only difference is I am scum(and I guess Hu wasn't a buddy in this world), I would see that I couldn't push this mislim today and probably not ever, I would back off and probably think about killing her overnight

Possibly if Hu was a buddy I would keep pushing in this way, in theory I am also not adverse to bussing.

How about this, after this game is over we can run it back with me as scum and then we can find out, deal?

Deal!

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Get rekt, scum!!!!!

Best repp in ever, Aureal knows how to get things done!

[DrNickRiviera]

where is this "writing on the wall"?

I think Hu is scum and should be the lim

I am basically the only one who believes this(except for the amazing and lovely Aureal lol)

So......ergo, as I just talked about....I would back off Hu in the world where I am scum

Should I maybe actually write this on a wall??

[DrNickRiviera]

Also, I don't mean this in a mean or insulting way I promise, have you never heard that phrase before?

[DrNickRiviera]

where is this "writing on the wall"?

I think Hu is scum and should be the lim

I am basically the only one who believes this(except for the amazing and lovely Aureal lol)

So......ergo, as I just talked about....I would back off Hu in the world where I am scum

Should I maybe actually write this on a wall??

in what world did u interpret aureal's entrance as a serious vote lol

A vote on scum is still a vote on scum lol

Plus, Aureal has that great first instinct

[DrNickRiviera]

Also, I don't mean this in a mean or insulting way I promise, have you never heard that phrase before?

no, I'm asking what posts in particular would have prompted you?

The posts where people said they town read, or don't scum read Hu

I am failing to grasp what you are not understanding here

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Oh buddy

And accidental lolHammer while repping in would have been a sight to see

Pre Edit: If you think Groyvle is scum, what do you make of there push on me?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Oh buddy

And accidental lolHammer while repping in would have been a sight to see

Pre Edit: If you think Groyvle is scum, what do you make of there push on me?

Idk. I don't usually do team stuff. Just independent scumminess

I was asking what you thought of Groyvle pushing me, and what it does for your scum read on me......

It kinda feels like one of the people soft defending me now is seeting up for tomorrow. Which I think is grov

....which I guess you kinda sorta answered here

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm an indecisive doctor

You and me both amirite?

[DrNickRiviera]

Groyvle is 100% scum btw on my town flip. Like.i said don't fall for excuses tomorrow

Ok, where am I on your read list?

[DrNickRiviera]

So Elements, then? Unless you think Black would actually back off of the Hu wagon here

Grovyle also voted me......but since he wanted 'post game cred', not sure he meant me?

[DrNickRiviera]

Also if no one knows who Grovyle is by now........sheesh

haha

[DrNickRiviera]

Wait. I think I know who grovyle is

It's Flavor Leaf

[DrNickRiviera]

No chance that's flavor leaf

Just trying to get you off my scent

[DrNickRiviera]

Flavor leaf plays such a distinct style. I've recognized him from an alt before. I miss playing with him though

I actually did try co-opting his style once before on an alt......tough to pull off lol

[DrNickRiviera]

No one asked for my actions. But feel free to hammer

You should have volunteered.

Your buddy Black unvoted pretty quickly, that's not to your town credit.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Groyvle is 100% scum btw on my town flip. Like.i said don't fall for excuses tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Damnation

Wut

[DrNickRiviera]

Also if no one knows who Grovyle is by now........sheesh

haha

Nope!

Are you saying you do???

Also lolwut at dgb

98.5% sure

If you were here the whole time, you would know as well

Also, DGB needs to do some splaining

[DrNickRiviera]

[gifv][/gifv]

98.5% sure

If you were here the whole time, you would know as well

I... I would? *confusion*

You're trying to make me actually read more, aren't you?

I am baffled that you would feel so confident at alt guessing given your past performance

Past performance??

[DrNickRiviera]

Insert yellow m&m here

[DrNickRiviera]

Yeah something sorta like that, except not

Lol, glad to have you here Aureal

But you are on something else


Also, I will eat my hat if this doesn't flip scum*


*I don't actually own a hat

[DrNickRiviera]

I will get ahead of all the claiming and say I jailed Thomith/smileydude, so take that when considering the NK

I also Jailed Rational N1(hence me asking him what he did, tried to catch him in a lie), and AD N2

[DrNickRiviera]

I will get ahead of all the claiming and say I jailed Thomith/smileydude, so take that when considering the NK

I also Jailed Rational N1(hence me asking him what he did, tried to catch him in a lie), and AD N2

Lack of NK I mean

[DrNickRiviera]

This read from Aureal feels genuine

If smiley is in fact scum, I certainly don't see a scum motivation for Aureal to spew you as town

And as just stated, I can't really see a world where Thomith would be the choice for a Mafia NK

[DrNickRiviera]

I like when the Scum Queen gets offended when someone questions her perceived scum acumen haha

One day I will be scum with her(oops all clue for my main)

Pre Edit: I would be for DGB to claim early

[DrNickRiviera]

I like when the Scum Queen gets offended when someone questions her perceived scum acumen haha

One day I will be scum with her(oops all clue for my main)

Pre Edit: I would be for DGB to claim early

I think I know who you are btw. If I PM you post game will you tell me if I'm right?

Maybe

[DrNickRiviera]

Also did we actually agree on an order here (probs should've clarified this before I went forward on my part). If not, I think I just popcorn to somebody unless there's an objection.

Would like to hear from one of DGB/Dr Nick next.

Apparently you haven't read the last couple pages since day break

Pre Edit: You do realize that the consensus was that your slot was scummy, why would you be the NK?

[DrNickRiviera]

2 roleblocking roles seems wrong however, but i dont know if dgb is the type to trueclaim a scum result?

why did you target me dgb?

I was hoping to stop the NK.

I dont believe you. I think you correctly assumed I was a PR there VOTE: DGB

Why DGB over Smiley?

Smiley's Lim resolves me as well, for anyone doubting my role

[DrNickRiviera]

My tinfoil hat for Groyvle as scum over DGB is getting bigger by the minute

[DrNickRiviera]

My tinfoil hat for Groyvle as scum over DGB is getting bigger by the minute

Or is becoming less tinfoil I mean

[DrNickRiviera]

the solve is probably thomith/dgb right now

Agreed

I just don't understand why you would want DGB over Smiley today since realistically it would kill one scum, and clear one town

Especially since we have about as close to a guilty you can have outside of copping them

That's where the tinfoil comes in

[DrNickRiviera]

In addition, why did you deem my case scummy rather than just wrong or misguided here?

Well there is the thing about me jailing you

[DrNickRiviera]

I know I'm town.

Who claimed first?

Well.....I did

Also, I have to think about this as well, but if you are telling the truth then it could be as simple as my JK stopped the NK, not your RB

Also I feel like Grovyle's reaction to your claim is more genuine than Smiley's reaction to my claim

[DrNickRiviera]

And what is the significance of this?

Well.....you are saying you are town and telling the truth

But you are only willing to believe that you role blocked the kill, even though I jailed someone and a kill didn't go through

You realize that it is possible that Grovyle didn't try to NK anyone, right?

[DrNickRiviera]

It seems unlikely that we have a town JK and town RB.

Well then, that just means you are scum in this scenario.

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

mod, you may want to correct the deadline used in the last vote count

Shit, I was wondering why the deadline was so fast approaching haha

[DrNickRiviera]

In addition, why did you deem my case scummy rather than just wrong or misguided here?

Well there is the thing about me jailing you

There's also this thing where another blocking action was claimed afterwards. I get why you think it's dubious that scum shot into me, but from your view why am I more likely to have been blocked then Grov here.

You need to direct this question at DGB

I have considered that my action didn't stop scum(you) from killing someone.......DGB has not taken the same under consideration

Notice how I am not voting you? Not yet at least

[DrNickRiviera]

In addition, why did you deem my case scummy rather than just wrong or misguided here?

Well there is the thing about me jailing you

There's also this thing where another blocking action was claimed afterwards. I get why you think it's dubious that scum shot into me, but from your view why am I more likely to have been blocked then Grov here.

You need to direct this question at DGB

I have considered that my action didn't stop scum(you) from killing someone.......DGB has not taken the same under consideration

Notice how I am not voting you? Not yet at least

I think both of you are town regardless, I think you can only be scum in a world where scum no killed last night (which just why?) and DGB can only be scum if weird setup shenanigans are at play. I think you two are getting into a silly TvT fight atm.

Want to be clear i'm not meaning to press or accuse you here, just want to make sure due consideration is being made.

What 'weird setup shenanigans' do you mean?

Also, DGB and I are not fighting.........again you need to question her more than you need to question me

[DrNickRiviera]

In addition, why did you deem my case scummy rather than just wrong or misguided here?

Well there is the thing about me jailing you

There's also this thing where another blocking action was claimed afterwards. I get why you think it's dubious that scum shot into me, but from your view why am I more likely to have been blocked then Grov here.

You need to direct this question at DGB

I have considered that my action didn't stop scum(you) from killing someone.......DGB has not taken the same under consideration

Notice how I am not voting you? Not yet at least

I think both of you are town regardless, I think you can only be scum in a world where scum no killed last night (which just why?) and DGB can only be scum if weird setup shenanigans are at play. I think you two are getting into a silly TvT fight atm.

Want to be clear i'm not meaning to press or accuse you here, just want to make sure due consideration is being made.

What 'weird setup shenanigans' do you mean?

Also, DGB and I are not fighting.........again you need to question her more than you need to question me

I mentioned my logic on it in 2302, and the posts surrounding it.

K

First off, setup spec is definitely a tool that scum like to use to disprove/prove an agenda

Second, why is it so hard to believe that there is a town JK and a scum RB?(and with a vanilla cop)

Third, why is DGB not considering that she didn't prevent the NK?

Fourth, why are you going out of your way to not think DGB is scum?

[DrNickRiviera]

In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight

Definitely something that Nick's buddy would say.

This is some quality open wolfing now, I applaud you DGB

[DrNickRiviera]

since drnick is odd night

??????

Insert more ??? here

I mean I am odd, but during the day as well!

[DrNickRiviera]

since drnick is odd night

??????

he only claimed odd night targets iirc?

I will get ahead of all the claiming and say I jailed Thomith/smileydude, so take that when considering the NK

I also Jailed Rational N1(hence me asking him what he did, tried to catch him in a lie), and AD N2

[DrNickRiviera]

since drnick is odd night

??????

Maybe they discussed an odd night claim in the scum PT.

The irony being that if I was scum fake claiming I would have chosen some sort of modifier to my role, I don't fuck around when I fake claim and cover my bases in case a tracker/watcher is out there

Also the irony of being an alt and describing self meta is not lost on me

Moral of the story.......DGB is doing a good job at muddying the waters, definitely is what you should be doing as scum when your back is up against the wall. Thought with this, and Smilely's recent posts.....makes me want DGB over Similey.......but then I can't see DGB really partnered with anyone besides him.....definitely not Aureal

I think the simplest explanation is the the correct one, just is smiley/DGB

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm doing a good job muddying the waters? I am barely paying attention LOL

Anyone have the yellow m&m available?

Kill me first... after my town flip, don't fade Smiley, Smiley is town.

What if we fade Smiley first and he flips scum?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'm doing a good job muddying the waters? I am barely paying attention LOL

Anyone have the yellow m&m available?

Kill me first... after my town flip, don't fade Smiley, Smiley is town.

What if we fade Smiley first and he flips scum?

Thing is we are fortunate to be able to spare a mislim here. If it's deemed I should be flipped first then i'm fine with that , just flip Grov afterwards and figure it out from there.

Also, would there be a world where you would vote DGB here today?

[DrNickRiviera]

I was getting real confused when you said I jailed you

I forgot you replaced Dan lol

[DrNickRiviera]

I can go over in more detail why I jailed who I jailed if you want

[DrNickRiviera]

I just don't think Nick is scum here

I was gonna say I feel like we have a good lim pool going forward, but really want some more from Gibdo here before I really commit to it

[DrNickRiviera]

I think Smiley is making way too much sense to be scum here. My town read on Grov started fading a bit after the D3 lim on Hu Tao anyway. I at least want to give Grovyle time after finals before I commit my vote there.

I agree that Smiley is making sense but that doesn't make him town

What is your read on DGB?

Where would you say you're at in regards to me atm?

I literally was just typing up a long post about how I think Grovyle and you could both be town, and DGB is scum with someone else......but halfway through it just keeps coming back that it is obvious it is you and DGB

There is no world where I would vote anyone besides you two today

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Grovyle

Grovyle feels like the only player who's not solving the game ? there's something with the defensiveness where it looks like his main goal is to survive and not, you know, figure things out

Then what is DGB doing?

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: DGB

Still willing to go Smiley but that doesn't seem to be getting much support for some reason

You just said Smiley is unlikely to be with dgb ?

They are my top two scumreads even with me thinking they might not be paired now. I haven't had the chance to look for other DGB partners. This is a new development for me

Save yourself some time, I am town.

I will attempt to talk to you like you are town......again

Why is smiley town?

Also, since no one asked(unless I missed it), why didn't you act N1?

[DrNickRiviera]

Smiley makes sense and is high effort.

I did not act night 1 because I hate town roleblocker, people always think you're scum for it. I couldn't think of who to target.

On my main, would often get accused of being scum since I would be very loosely goosey and did my own thing.....and when scum would get town read since I was very 'buttoned up' and 'made lots of sense's

Hell, I still apply this to my scum games

What did you make of Thomith?

[DrNickRiviera]

Kill me first... after my town flip, don't fade Smiley, Smiley is town.

We're getting good info either way we vote here and town can still afford to flip a green I think. VOTE: DGB

You should vote my roleblock target, that's way more informative since it will be a scum flip.

Any player that thinks otherwise is a likely scum partner to Grovyle.

Truly a cohesive mindset here and definitely not scum trying to look townier by feigning willingness to be voted.

DrNick, please make sure to let us know who you're jailkeeping tonight, just in case. I assume Smiley unless you say otherwise.

If one of DGB flips scum, then would be Smiley

If Groyvle were to flip town, then DGB

If DGB were to flip town, then either Groyvle or Smiley

[DrNickRiviera]

@Smiley i am town.

The scum will lim you tonight, and will pretty much sail to the win after that.

That's my pessimistic prediction.

You have some wild takes about this game

[DrNickRiviera]

At least I'm not lining up mislims the good little scum that you are!

Lol, actually I would be doing a shitty job at it if the person I would be trying to frame(Smiley)

*Checks notes*

Currently has no votes on them

But thank you for recognizing that I am generally good as scum, maybe I will give you some pointers post game

[DrNickRiviera]

Should note that DGB is at e-1

This is me declaring intent to hammer