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VOTE: Black

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It's going to feel more than a bit weird to refer to someone as black itself... Probably intentional

You'll survive

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Is this genuinely acceptable behaviour?

What is up with this guy?

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UNVOTE:

I may or may not read the first 30 pages

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Is this genuinely acceptable behaviour?

What is up with this guy?

You'll find out if you read the first 30 pages

Wouldn't recommend

Thank you for the warning

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UNVOTE:

I may or may not read the first 30 pages

He's quite the character. But likely town unfortunately

What is your strongest read atm?

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Black replaces KayJayQueue

oh no

Hi do I know you?

well uhhhhh kayjay slot is probably slot then

What does this mean

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VOTE: Hu Tao

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Black replaces KayJayQueue

oh no

Hi do I know you?

well uhhhhh kayjay slot is probably slot then

What does this mean

i meant to say town

Why am I town? And do we know each other?

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How do I already have the same amount of posts as Gibdo and Cactus wtf?

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CCS and DG are pretty low down here too but that seems to align with how I've seen them play before

Madman has a whopping 211 posts

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What's your case?

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hmmm. ok...

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Tage Pop

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prodding SaltiestCactus23

This is getting replaced in like 5 hours

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I'm also like 93% sure that's the name of a bot in Fortnite

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What's your case?

If you reread enough to vote someone you read enough to know my case, unless all you read was your scum chat.

That's not even remotely true

Do you want to link me to your case or not?

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No. I believe you just slipped pretending to reread. You read enough to join a wagon to eliminate Hu Tao yet didn't read a building case on awesomeming.

I read the page before I joined in and that's it. I don't have to have an extensive case on someone to vote them

I'll look over ming later. Thanks for the summary

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No. I believe you just slipped pretending to reread. You read enough to join a wagon to eliminate Hu Tao yet didn't read a building case on awesomeming.

I read the page before I joined in and that's it. I don't have to have an extensive case on someone to vote them

I'll look over ming later. Thanks for the summary

You're putting Tao in danger zone to claim or get eliminated. You aren't the first or second vote on her.

My vote puts Hu at e-4. Are you seriously concerned about her being in claim or elimination range?

What is your read on Hu?

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Is this genuinely acceptable behaviour?

What is up with this guy?

Now you have some idea

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Spoiler: some quotes yo

I actually don't see Dann pushing me like this as town, so I'm leaning scum on him now. I could understand a push but a tunnel like this is not like him ever.

I actually don't see Dann pushing me like this as town, so I'm leaning scum on him now. I could understand a push but a tunnel like this is not like him ever.

Your reads are barely skin deep and I haven’t felt this certain about a scum read in a long while

It’s not like I’m really known to tunnel as scum either so I think you’re just grasping at straws

No. But I think as town you'd be more reasonable and try to read others and not tunnel. I just don't buy this persona right now. You're way more level headed than this.

While I don't think you're scared of me I do think you're cautious of me and since you know I'm town you want me eliminated before I could potentially catch you or your partners later.

Well if you found out I was town, how would that change your reads?

Anyone else?

Well if you're town, you're wrong and you need to lock in. Cause you're on the wrong path here.

What if we just voted Goofball for doing nothing

This interaction with Dann is scummy

It feels more like scum trying to guilt a townie into changing their read than it does a townie talking to a scumread of theirs. She starts off by dangling a scumread over Dann's head. Then she goes into calling him unreasonable and telling him he's on the wrong path and to lock in. I think it's significant that she's doing this to Dann because I think Dann has a weak spot for wanting to be right and playing the game well. It feels like she's targeting this spot specifically

848 doesn't feel like something a townie says to someone they scumread. The scumread feels fake and agenda driven, like Hu is using it more as a way to get Dann off of her

The last post in the list feels like another attempt to get Dann off of her by suggesting we vote DG instead

This exchange also reminds me of the way Hu talked to Dragon and to some extent Flavor Leaf in a recent scum game of hers. Gimme a sec I'll quote the game and find some examples

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here is the game

I thought there were more examples than this but I didn't go through all 400 of her posts so there could be more

I think one of Hu's strategies as scum is to make you feel dumb or bad for scumreading her

Flavor, you know this isn't how I play as scum. So I don't know why you're scumreading me here

Dragon. I'm town. You've seen me as town. You've seen me as scum. This isn't my scum game. Compare the games.

Dragon stop over thinking it

I guess that's true. Maybe you're just paranoid as usual.

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Hu's scumread on KJQ feels as fake as her scumread on Dann. I understand the concept of wanting to give a replacement a chance to salvage the slot but she disregarded her KJQ scumread so easily. It doesn't feel like a natural reaction to me

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I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

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Hi black vote hu tao please

Hi dann, way ahead of you

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FWIW as town or scum I think the Rational wagon is such an easy one for scum to jump onto, either for Town credit for bussing, or just an easy wagon without much accountability afterwards. I want to reread that wagon specifically at some point I think.

When was there a wagon on Rational?

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I think it's noteworthy that Gibdo seems reluctant to vote for Hu Tao but he apparently had no issue voting for Rational for relatively weak reasons. In 710 he says he's refraining from voting for Hu because he's not confident but I'm having a hard time believing he was confident in his Rational read

Not only is he reluctant to vote for Hu but now he is chainsaw defending her

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Calling Hu/Rational/Gibdo for post game cred

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Thomith where are your reads at currently

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Dann why has the game annoyed you

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As much as I would probably enjoy it I don't think policy fading Rational is a good idea

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mostly rational being loudly wrong about everything and insulting people every chance he gets

I have townread you. Was that me being loudly wrong about everything or is your hyperbole bullshit a bit too blatant there?

Why are you such a mad and angry person? Can you like set that aside and stop making the game a nightmare to look at

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Is my job here to annihilate Scum or to make game pretty and dreamlike for them?

If you are town then you can annihilate scum without being rude and condescending to other players. If you choose not to go that route, that says a lot about you as a person and a player

To me, players in this game have tried to make it as unpleasant as possible for me to progress, lead and win.

That's no excuse for your behavior. It's a game. You can keep the toxicity out of it, or you can deal with a barrage of posts shaming the way you play. Your choice

The posts like you just made serve absolutely 0 protown purpose and only alienate another member of the game from yourself

I can point to more posts than I can count on one finger that were made by you in which the sole purpose is to alienate other players. And that's just since I repped in. Who knows how long you've been doing this but judging by the comments of other players, it's been all game

some troll that entered the game with large colourful text and self-voting and named herself after a race very intentionally happens to think about me and my gameplay.

I'm named after a color. But pop off king

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Count on one finger? Lmao. I meant two hands

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If you bring up the fact that I intentionally named myself after a race for the lolz one more time we're gonna have a bigger problem than we already have

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No shot this dude just called people abusers after the way he has treated people this game

I'm speechless

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Won't be engaging with this gross troll any longer

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Won't be engaging with this gross troll any longer

Have you caught up with the game yet?
What are your other reads besides Hu Tao? (If you've mentioned these before let me know and I'll check your ISO for them)

No I haven't read any of the first 30 pages and I don't think I want to. I plan to look over things from those pages as needed

I'm leaning town on Dann just based on me thinking Hu is scum

Rational is probably town but if Hu flips scum then I'll probably question this a bit more

Gibdo's lack of activity and the way he's using his vote feels bad

Haven't gotten much other than that

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have very much thought KayJay was scum the whole game

I agree with kayjay scum

I'm curious about these reads

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Also ming what is your read on Hu Tao?

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have very much thought KayJay was scum the whole game

I agree with kayjay scum

I'm curious about these reads

As I am your scumread, thoughts on what I posted on Dann and how he was caught lying?

I'm not seeing the lie and I think you trying to paint it as one feels desperate

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VOTE: awesomeming

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please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

Ignore him for the moment and just answer my Qs ty!

i think elements has done towny things and scummy things. i do not have a solid read.

What is your read on Hu Tao

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I think 950 probably just comes from scum in this situation considering ming has a decently strong townread on Hu. He's either too casual about a town!Hu dying or he feels defeated about scum!Hu's situation and wants to buy her time

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I think 950 probably just comes from scum in this situation considering ming has a decently strong townread on Hu. He's either too casual about a town!Hu dying or he feels defeated about scum!Hu's situation and wants to buy her time

There's no Townread on Hu from ming. Black I suggest reading Ming's iso.

please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's right

Ignore him for the moment and just answer my Qs ty!

i think elements has done towny things and scummy things. i do not have a solid read.

What is your read on Hu Tao

vibes are certainly good and progression with dann is also good

def a townread

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pretty sure he was referring to Dann there. He can clarify

He said their progression with Dann was good so why would he be talking about Dann?

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have very much thought KayJay was scum the whole game

I agree with kayjay scum

I'm curious about these reads

As I am your scumread, thoughts on what I posted on Dann and how he was caught lying?

I'm not seeing the lie and I think you trying to paint it as one feels desperate

How do you not see it? He says my reads are unnatural last game when we were both town. Yet this time he doesn't even consider it and still calls it unnatural.

Also, why does that make you think I'm panting it that way? What about it seems desperate? Because clearly other people see it too since he has more votes on him than me now. If that's the case, what do you think of the others who voted him after I laid out my case?

Hi just letting you know I see this and plan on answering when I get to my PC

Just curious if you're interested in joining a ming wagon

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i would like anyone who thinks rational's arguments have even a shred of logic in them to have a talk with me

Pinging you to claim

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We lost a neighborizer, well that sucks.

Prediction: awesoming was bus'ed by both their buddies. That slot was more useful as a source of town cred than alive.

Thomith 1156, Black 1159, Gibdo 1223, Elements 1261

Probably in there.

Hu Tao (4): Dannflor 606, Grovyle in a Fedora 736,

Black 792, Thomith 869

awesomeming327 (2):

RationalMadman 266, DrippingGoofball 594

We can just lim black and thomith and win.

I think this is a pretty scummy narrative and it feels like posturing to just push everyone on ming's wagon until they hit scum

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DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

I waffled over Dann and Hu most of D1, and literally declared intent to hammer Awesome.

What did you do last night?

This isn't true, or at least not based on 841. You said the first chink in Dann's armor was here near the end of D1 when momentum for his wagon was picking up

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Also declaring intent to hammer doesn't clear you at all and in fact I think it makes you look worse

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I think I agree that scum are trying to frame Hu. I don't really see Hu making that hit

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I'm a little cautious about Rational being alive since I think the ming flip is pretty clearing of him. Obviously it could have been an elaborate bus but ehhhh. I don't think we can rule out the possibility of scum not hitting there because they thought a protective would be on him

I think we can townbin him for now

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DrNick said he Townread Dannflor all DP but suddenly voted Dannflor over Hu Tao for no reason and never switched to awesomeming

I waffled over Dann and Hu most of D1, and literally declared intent to hammer Awesome.

What did you do last night?

This isn't true, or at least not based on 841. You said the first chink in Dann's armor was here near the end of D1 when momentum for his wagon was picking up

How is page 34 near the end of D1??

I thought Day ended 2 days after but it was more like 3. Regardless it was closer to the end than the beginning. It doesn't seem like you were waffling on him "most of D1" like you're claiming

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We lost a neighborizer, well that sucks.

Prediction: awesoming was bus'ed by both their buddies. That slot was more useful as a source of town cred than alive.

Thomith 1156, Black 1159, Gibdo 1223, Elements 1261

Probably in there.

Hu Tao (4): Dannflor 606, Grovyle in a Fedora 736,

Black 792, Thomith 869

awesomeming327 (2):

RationalMadman 266, DrippingGoofball 594

We can just lim black and thomith and win.

I think this is a pretty scummy narrative and it feels like posturing to [b

]just push everyone on ming's wagon until they hit scum

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Wait what

What is the scum trying to say?

I think your theory is half-baked and I don't think your confidence level in the theory being correct feels natural. It feels like something scum would do to chain eliminate a bunch of townies

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I also think you want to put the focus on folks on the wagon because you were off the wagon

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What is the case on CCS?

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But have you considered this is DGB?

No. I've only played with them once and they barely posted. Is their something about them that I should know about?

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there*

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So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I guess I'm just confused because you said the first chink in his armor happened almost 900 posts into the game. I'll admit I haven't read the first 30 pages so I'm not even sure if that's accurate fypov but to me that statement suggests you didn't consider he could be scum until then

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Or rather nothing pinged you about him until then

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They make a lot less sense as scum. Somehow. Not saying it's out of the realm of possibly but I'm not concerned at the moment.

Hmmm. Ok. I will take that into consideration

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i kinda dont really care for doing more solving today honestly im in "flip something and we get info next day" mode and if i die i die and people just sheep my poe(hopefully)

This is where I am at(though with probably less solving lol), this D1 has been tough to follow and personally I feel a flip would help the game state

If you weren't gonna put Awesome at E-1 I was going to....so I guess this is an intent to hammer as well

Why did you declare intent to hammer and then go MIA for 21 hours until someone else hammered?

Like I think your progression from "I think one of Hu/Dann is scum" to "this might be tvt let me hammer ming" feels somewhat townie but the lack of follow through with the hammer ruins it all for me

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VC 1.14

Hu Tao (4):

Dannflor 606, Grovyle in a Fedora 736, Black 792, Thomith 869

Dannflor (4):

Elements 997, camelCasedSnivy 1001, Hu Tao 1026, DrNickRiviera 1030

awesomeming327 (2):

RationalMadman 266, DrippingGoofball 594

RationalMadman (1):

awesomeming327 412

Not Voting:

Gibdo 604, ActionDan 1012

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

Notes: Grovyle in a Fedora is V/LA until 4/14 8pm EDT

Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

No, Dan is pretty awesome

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

I am quite literally back and forth on Hu, and also on Dann

I am beginning to fear that this is TvT with them though

Pre Edit: Hu, I have only experience with you on my main

I do think this by itself feels counter intuitive to what scum!Nick would be trying to achieve with his Dann vote. Unless the team is just ming/Hu/Nick, I think the only way scum!Nick moves off both wagons here is if he wanted the town cred. The problem is the lack of follow up with the hammer makes this entirely possible

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VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

That's fair. It looks like 99% of your posts are during the evening so this is believable

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I think I agree that scum are trying to frame Hu. I don't really see Hu making that hit

this literally doesnt happen, i thought you were supposed to be one of the better scum players on the site?

First of all rude. I'm decent but there's countless people better than me

I'm kinda shocked you think scum don't consider the ramifications of the kill when deciding who gets the bullet

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Grovyle I'll give you a cookie if you tell me your main

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ergo at best you should say the kill has no bearing on what hu tao's alignment is, and I personally already believed hu tao was scum at eod1 and think their entrance to d2 was scummy

I guess you're right. It's just a gut feeling really

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Ehhh maybe it is just Hu

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Elements - unsure
DrippingGoofball - ???
DrNickRiviera - town
RationalMadman - town
Grovyle in a Fedora - idk
Hu Tao - Hu Taown
Black - leaning town
SaltiestCactus23 - scummy
Thomith - unsure I think I want to lean town
camelCasedSnivy - scummy
Dannflor - scum

awesomeming327 - towny

Gibdo - leaning towny

Hu townreads ming here. And not just a lean

Thomith...ActionDan...Awesomeming

1 ultractive overcompensater, 2 lurkers barely trying ..

Hmm.

Thoughts on camel?

It feels like she could be trying to get Rational off of ming here

After this ming starts to get run up and Hu only posts once the entire time:

I agree with Black that awesomeming’s attitude doesn’t really match up with his professed reads

I also think the reaction to his sudden growing wagon is a little too cool

Dannflor doing anything to stay alive today

And then she comes into the day saying she was going to hammer awesome? Her townread?

2 things:

1. I was gonna quick hammer awesome at e-1 but wasn't here. (No one will believe this but it needs to be said)

2. Dann, now that you're in dead thread and see that I'm town, can you agree see why I said I'm scared of trying to read you. Cause i really did think you were scum this game cause what I pointed out.

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VOTE: Hu Tao

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I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This made you want to hammer a townread?

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VOTE: Hu Tao

One day you'll stop scum reading me every game and actually try to read me and see if I'm town or not

It's disingenuous to say I'm not trying here

Why do you think CCS is scum?

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I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This made you want to hammer a townread?

Look at when the reads list was posted, and look when the post I quoted was posted. I clearly said he had a point about the soft push. (Also why nick is pretty obv town imo)

I'm well aware of the timing. I don't see how that post is enough to make you go from townreading him to wanting to hammer him

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VOTE: Hu Tao

One day you'll stop scum reading me every game and actually try to read me and see if I'm town or not

It's disingenuous to say I'm not trying here

Why do you think CCS is scum?

You're trying in the game, but when it comes to me your first instinct is to vote me and not actually try to solve me.

If this were true then I would have voted you coming into the day instead of thinking you probably wouldn't kill Dann

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VOTE: Hu Tao

One day you'll stop scum reading me every game and actually try to read me and see if I'm town or not

It's disingenuous to say I'm not trying here

Why do you think CCS is scum?

You're trying in the game, but when it comes to me your first instinct is to vote me and not actually try to solve me.

If this were true then I would have voted you coming into the day instead of thinking you probably wouldn't kill Dann

Yet look where we are. It took you a few hours. New record

I wanna say something but I'm just gonna walk away instead

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Hu makes posts like that and 1433 all the time as scum. I even pointed some out in 867 but there's more than that

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I'm saying she shouldn't townread you for posts you make as scum

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Could this not just be tunelled Hu Taown?

Where is the tunnel?

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I will look over the snivy case when I get the chance today

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and don't give me your NKA drivel please

Call what I write drivel and other insulting shit one more time and I'll genuinely make an appeal to Tris tir eplace you. You have talked down to me all game and it's reaching a limit.

This is laughable. If you can dish it then you certainly better be able to take it

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people like you have inconsistent methodology and think you're gods gift to mafia but refuse to consider being fully accurate. you might notice I personally showed skepticism on your alleged read on awesome because I don't take shortcuts that don't actually always work. (nevermind the fact your reasoning was completely coincidental and likely just part of awesome's mimicking of his town play rather than something scummy)

and its insulting to claim such credit on awesome when people changed their mind on their own due to awesome falling off - not because of some magical case you made. awesome dug his own grave, not you at all. in fact, you did more to potentially help him go free due to being annoying about it than


so yes, it is nonsense to me when you claim things like that hu tao is town because dann died with no critical thought beyond that, something that insults Dann's and I's reasonings we have developed for hu scum.

hell part of me still thinks you're a player who selfishly thought awesome was dead weight and hellbussed them and are now just tunneling your way through the game and defending a scum hu here.

so frankly, back up your shit and don't give me cheap shortcuts

I think this is probably town. Grovyle is spittin fire here

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I'm also curious why Rational thinks Hu is town

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yawn

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This is laughable. If you can dish it then you certainly better be able to take it

Agree, this is pathetic.

Fully agree

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Normally I'm against policy fades but fuck it let's see where this goes. This guy is like a toxic rain cloud hanging over the game

VOTE: Rational

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Ping

Hi can we get your thoughts on the game?

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VOTE: CCS

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I'm gonna be a little more v/la than usual this weekend

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OUR DIFFERENCE IS THAT I AM IRRATIONAL.

This was the funniest post I could have possibly woken up to

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Enchant is like a ray of light that just pierced through clouds I thought were impenetrable

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The most compelling argument for me is his partner equity with ming. Dan brought up a post (can't remember now) that made me double take

Lurking is NAI for snivy

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So i skimmed and main argument CSS is mafia is NK on neighborizer?

I mean just admit you police CSS for lurking why make up something huh

That is certainly not the main argument.

Iso CCS and decide for yourself

I mean i did and main is "Police for lurking"

??? That is incidental. who is arguing that as their main reason for a vote?

No one, and i find it strange, because other arguments is nonsense

Do you not think he makes sense as a ming partner?

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So game comes alive only when i post okay

Honestly after what we all went through with your predecessor I think it's a good idea to let the game breathe a little

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I play Baldur's Gate does that count

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I am tired of pretending i know how to play mafia can you just case it

cases are for nerds

I literally play dnd

At least you don't play league or valorant

*hides*

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Hi Klick!

I've been warned about those pages so I'll just pass that along

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VOTE: DGB

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I'm bad at reading Klick so I will probably need help there

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Hu's townread on me doesn't feel real

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It's weird that Hu had an issue with Nick voting for CCS but she didn't care when I did it

I think the townread is more likely a tactic to try and get me off of her

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VOTE: Hu Tao

I think we should do this

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I'm pretty sure this is Hu Tao's town game
I have a pretty good track record of reading Hu Tao
I have a fairly limited experience with her as scum, but I also think she has a really clear town perspective when she is town

What is this Really Clear Town Perspective^TM you are seeing from her

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None of this actually says 'this makes Klick scum' and I don't think Gibdo believes in this as much as he wants to present something that looks competent

I'm pretty sure you've accused me of doing this when I was town before. I think this is a go-to read of yours when you don't really like the case but it's not a very good way to catch scum imo

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I'm willing to compromise on Klick but I would prefer Hu Tao

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Yeah I'm curious about this too

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I'm here I've just been busy

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Hu while you're explaining reads would you mind explaining what your meta read on me is

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Idk just vibes. In your town game you were doing less too

Hello

Can you vote me
I think we're not getting much more out of today at its current trajectory

It doesn't really feel believable that you're just giving up here

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That's because you haven't attempted to put yourself into the shoes of someone who read 70 pages of RationalMadman and gave thoughts only to be told they were flat not believable without attempts at engagement

I guess that's fair. There's a reason I haven't read a lot of the game. Maybe that's why I feel somewhat detached

I'm not sure if that second part is a jab at me but I haven't done much engaging at all this past week so it's not like I'm singling you out

Did you ever answer 1834?

[Black]

Hu while you're explaining reads would you mind explaining what your meta read on me is

No. Cause then you'll change it and I won't be able to read you in the future

If you're town then I would like to find you as town and I'm not going to be able to do that when I think you have a fake read on me

[Black]

Do you get a different feeling when you read her scum posts?

[Black]

If I'm remembering correctly you typically provide some kind of reasoning when you're calling me town. This whole game you've just been repeating "Black is town" anytime someone even raises an eyebrow at me. It feels way more informed and pockety than anything I'm used to seeing from you

[Black]

Also I'm pretty sure I only question your read on me when I'm scumreading you but if you want to go looking through all the games we've played together then feel free

[Black]

If I'm remembering correctly you typically provide some kind of reasoning when you're calling me town. This whole game you've just been repeating "Black is town" anytime someone even raises an eyebrow at me. It feels way more informed and pockety than anything I'm used to seeing from you

To expand on this I find it noteworthy that this shift happened immediately after I replaced into the game. You went from scumreading my predecessor to giving me a completely blank slate to having an unwavering townread on me. It feels like a deliberate tactic you decided to use on me

[Black]

Yeah

This is kind of a meh response after you just complained about people not engaging with you

I would be interested in your Hu towncase if you ever find motivation to make it

[Black]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

[Black]

I'm trying to decide if town!Klick would read 70 pages and then just give up like this

[Black]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

I literally wanted snivy day 1 and 2. And switched when Klick came

Why are you pointing this out though?

[Black]

I never said you just did it with me. Why should you doing the same thing to Klick make me think you're town?

[Black]

This is going nowhere

[Black]

VOTE: Klick

e-1

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Can we finally yeet scum please

[Black]

Nick followed my vote a few times yesterday and that makes me nervous but I feel like he's been somewhat townie otherwise. I probably need to reevaluate here

[Black]

Something that is bothering me is the fact that Nick questioned Rational multiple times what he did N1 and now we know Rational didn't do anything. So it kinda feels like PR fishing

[Black]

If I were a vigilante. I'd shoot in Elements/thom/grovyle/goofball

Hypothetically speaking of course

Why did you not include Nick in this

[Black]

Maybe it's just Hu/Nick

They've been scumreading each other but neither seems to be willing to fully commit to a vote on the other

Also Hu had that weird read on Nick that was him doing scummy stuff but having a townie tone or something. I can't find it I'm on mobile

[Black]

I'm rereading elements again and again coming to a town conclusion. I'm not sure I'm the best person to read elements though as foe something like 3 games in a row I've called her town when she was scum. Still think she's town here.

If a random wagon came up I'd have more preferred Dr nick just because 1929 was truly a crap post.

Doesn't matter. Please do the right thing and hammer klick

What the fuck? What is the issue with 1929?

VOTE: Klick

I'm more convinced this is scum btw.

If you were more convinced in Nick!scum why didn't you try to get a wagon going there

[Black]

If I were a vigilante. I'd shoot in Elements/thom/grovyle/goofball

Hypothetically speaking of course

Why did you not include Nick in this

Why are you looking at an old reads list and not the one I posted right before the end of the day?

Did you not think Nick was scummy when you wrote this?

[Black]

Maybe it's just Hu/Nick

They've been scumreading each other but neither seems to be willing to fully commit to a vote on the other

Also Hu had that weird read on Nick that was him doing scummy stuff but having a townie tone or something. I can't find it I'm on mobile

What???

Idk what you're so bewildered by

Would you be willing to fade Nick over Elements today?

[Black]

Is black just scum and I was wrong? Idk. I need to think things over

Ahh yes, move me back into your PoE now that it benefits you. You did this exact same thing in Suki's bird game

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Actually that's not a good vote that's not going to go anywhere. I need to solve in rn/nas/black now.

Smiley can you tell me what you think of what I said about Black's recent push on me?

This is Hu Tao posturing to push me btw

Since when do I need to posture?

VOTE: black

Yeah I think I was wrong sorry RN. I should have listened to you yesterday

Sounds familiar

[Black]

VOTE: Nick

[Black]

Hu can you answer 2019

[Black]

Can you go over why you thought Thomith and DGB were scummier at that time

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Black]

I mainly voted Nick to see if you would join me

I'm much more confident in scum!you than I am in scum!Nick

[Black]

I feel like you're going to ignore 2029 so I would appreciate if you could answer that when you get the chance

[Black]

I mainly voted Nick to see if you would join me

I'm much more confident in scum!you than I am in scum!Nick

what do you think about thomith?

He's in my blind spot. I should probably work on that

[Black]

@Grovyle
@Nick

Why is Thomith scum?

[Black]

No need but thanks. I'll look into Thomith tomorrow after work

[Black]

I'm having a pretty bad day at work so I'm not sure if I'll get the chance to look into Thomith later

I want to try to pull myself out of my Hu tunnel

[Black]

also coming around to a townlean on hu tao here has given me a bit of a funny picture with how drnick is still pushing the slot and the 3 posts in a row where other players said they dont want to push nick - being stuck on hu could just be scum indicative here, and that combined with the fact I have mostly townread the players around them, means resolving the slot is likely a hit
VOTE: DrNick

Why is Hu town?

[Black]

where is this "writing on the wall"?

I think Hu is scum and should be the lim

I am basically the only one who believes this(except for the amazing and lovely Aureal lol)

So......ergo, as I just talked about....I would back off Hu in the world where I am scum

Should I maybe actually write this on a wall??

How can you just ignore the fact that I've been pushing Hu for like 2 weeks now

[Black]

HI AUREAL!

[Black]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

[Black]

I pulled up Thomith's iso and I just don't feel like doing this rn

[Black]

I don't understand Hu's Grovyle read at all. I think he's probably my biggest townread

[Black]

UNVOTE:

[Black]

Meh. Sorry Hu

[Black]

You all can decide when I should claim

[Black]

I would prefer DGB near the front of the list

[Black]

If Thomith is scum I feel like I'm gonna look bad

[Black]

I don't think scum hits him here so he probably is just scum

[Black]

If Thomith is scum I think you're probably town

Why

[Black]

If Thomith is scum I think you're probably town

Why

The jk on the slot likely blocked the kill, and I don't think you'd send him to do the kill

That makes sense

[Black]

I suppose you could have a pr you'd rather use, I think multitasking is not enabled this game?

It's setup specific right? I'm just not sure what setup it's specific to and I'm too lazy to look

[Black]

Queue-specific* I mean

[Black]

Ok I looked it up

"Mafia must specify which member is performing the factional kill each night. A mafia member may not both kill and use a power role in the same night by default"

[Black]

Oh wow I went all the way to the wiki

[Black]

This read from Aureal feels genuine

[Black]

Do you not think I could fake that as scum?

[Black]

I think swapping you and DGB makes it much more likely that scum have to claim first and second but if you and Grovyle both want her in the back then I'll just let it happen

[Black]

I like when the Scum Queen gets offended when someone questions her perceived scum acumen haha

One day I will be scum with her(oops all clue for my main)

Pre Edit: I would be for DGB to claim early

I think I know who you are btw. If I PM you post game will you tell me if I'm right?

[Black]

Yes you should claim

[Black]

I'm also vt

[Black]

DGB next

[Black]

A credible claim would be accompanied by a list of night actions.

I am willing to hammer HT.

No one asked for my actions. But feel free to hammer

You should have volunteered.

Your buddy Black unvoted pretty quickly, that's not to your town credit.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Groyvle is 100% scum btw on my town flip. Like.i said don't fall for excuses tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Damnation

It's not a hammer.

Pinging you to claim and to also explain this sequence

[Black]

Damnation

Why did you write this post

[Black]

I think DGB is scum but isn't Smiley the better fade? Maybe I'm missing something

[Black]

Nick blocked Smiley and there was no kill, so I'm not understanding why we would fade DGB here

[Black]

the solve is probably thomith/dgb right now

Agreed

I just don't understand why you would want DGB over Smiley today since realistically it would kill one scum, and clear one town

Especially since we have about as close to a guilty you can have outside of copping them

That's where the tinfoil comes in

This is where I'm at too

[Black]

VOTE: Smiley

[Black]

I feel like we should be fading within Smiley/Grovyle. I don't see any other explanation for the no kill

[Black]

I think Smiley is putting on a great town impression

[Black]

My townread on Grovyle is fading a bit. Something about 2319 is rubbing me the wrong way

[Black]

Damnation

Why did you write this post

DGB can you answer this. What was the "damnation" about

[Black]

Ok I think that makes sense. I was reading it as you regretting the hammer which didn't make any sense with your later post about it not being a hammer

[Black]

Meh. I just don't understand why scum would shoot there. It's possible they got a PR read I guess

[Black]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.

Why would a PR CC in this scenario in a closed setup?

We also can't be sure that any PR's we might have will be able to outright get any information, because of this being a closed setup.

Acknowledging the wagon on me.

Just got home from work, let me eat, then ill set down and respond to everything.

I don't know why me claiming is being brought up, as I don't think I'm in range for a claim to be requested of me yet, but let me know if I'm wrong.

They could have gotten something from these maybe but idk. I'm bad at PR hunting

[Black]

Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.

If it's almost certain that Smiley is scum then why should we fade DGB today?

[Black]

And voting in Smiley/Grovyle does nothing in the bizarro world where Smiley is town who was shot at.

You answered here but I'm not sure why this small possibility is causing you to vote elsewhere

I'm open to hear an actual argument. Maybe I'm missing something

[Black]

I do think they are a likely team, even moreso now after skimming over Thomith's iso. Thomith pokes a little at DGB but never really seems all that concerned with solving her. Like he mentions a couple of times how she's not doing anything but it goes nowhere

[Black]

Ok...killing the scum PR is actually a good reason

[Black]

Grovyle who do you think DGB's likeliest partners are

[Black]

I think Smiley is making way too much sense to be scum here. My town read on Grov started fading a bit after the D3 lim on Hu Tao anyway. I at least want to give Grovyle time after finals before I commit my vote there.

I agree that Smiley is making sense but that doesn't make him town

What is your read on DGB?

[Black]

How did you not know you had a Biology final today what

[Black]

I just don't think Nick is scum here

[Black]

I think Smiley is making way too much sense to be scum here. My town read on Grov started fading a bit after the D3 lim on Hu Tao anyway. I at least want to give Grovyle time after finals before I commit my vote there.

I agree that Smiley is making sense but that doesn't make him town

What is your read on DGB?

Where would you say you're at in regards to me atm?

I like your thoughts but I don't think any of them are particularly hard to come up with as skilled Mafia, which I would assume you are judging by how smart you seem to be

[Black]

I had a thought when reading 2404 that Smiley is really trying to save his scum PR but then it hit me that I don't really know why he would be doing that. Even if Smiley is faded I don't think there is any world where DGB gets a kill off due to Nick being so sus of her. And she can't roleblock because there's no multitasking. (Side note I'm kinda curious what would happen if roleblocker and JK target each other?)

This move doesn't really make sense in a Smiley/DGB solve

[Black]

Oh hi Grovyle good morning

[Black]

I had a thought when reading 2404 that Smiley is really trying to save his scum PR but then it hit me that I don't really know why he would be doing that. Even if Smiley is faded I don't think there is any world where DGB gets a kill off due to Nick being so sus of her. And she can't roleblock because there's no multitasking. (Side note I'm kinda curious what would happen if roleblocker and JK target each other?)

This move doesn't really make sense in a Smiley/DGB solve

nah fam that's not solving cuz gypyx said nuh uh and I made a similar conclusion

Did I miss this conclusion from you?

[Black]

Actually its good night for me I played runescape all night like an idiot and I have work this afternoon

Oh

Ok goodnight

[Black]

Yeah I'm not gonna fucking roll over and let people accuse me of whatever . I've been in thus game from the start and have had my views evolve naturally throughout the game. It should be YOU who is combing the game and finding information, not me who has already explained how and why dgb is scum here.

If I'm not solving then neither is nick, and neither is aureal or black.

This is a cherry picked accusation to justify a vote on me and probably outing for the gypyx slot.

Yeah I think I agree here. Gypyx is being extremely reserved

[Black]

I had a thought when reading 2404 that Smiley is really trying to save his scum PR but then it hit me that I don't really know why he would be doing that. Even if Smiley is faded I don't think there is any world where DGB gets a kill off due to Nick being so sus of her. And she can't roleblock because there's no multitasking. (Side note I'm kinda curious what would happen if roleblocker and JK target each other?)

This move doesn't really make sense in a Smiley/DGB solve

nah fam that's not solving cuz gypyx said nuh uh and I made a similar conclusion

Did I miss this conclusion from you?

well I am not currently advocating that Smiley is scum here and instead pushing to resolve dgb first, I thought it was implicit that I believed there was a higher than 0 chance Smiley is town. But if u also wanna vote me here go ahead I guess we can throw another miseliminatikn away just like Hu tao did because he wanted to claim things for fun. Guess it was too easy of a game with rationalmadman getting a scum d1 gotta make it harder

Ehh. I don't really think you're scum

[Black]

VOTE: DGB

Still willing to go Smiley but that doesn't seem to be getting much support for some reason

[Black]

VOTE: DGB

Still willing to go Smiley but that doesn't seem to be getting much support for some reason

You just said Smiley is unlikely to be with dgb ?

They are my top two scumreads even with me thinking they might not be paired now. I haven't had the chance to look for other DGB partners. This is a new development for me

[Black]

Kinda busy as usual this weekend but I'll check in when I can

[Black]

Gidbo is the only player i'm comfortable clearing rn

i think grovyle has the worse associatives out of SmileyDude / Grovyle (1 of them has to be scum, reasonably)

I agree with the second part but why is Gidbo clear?

[Black]

Actually I just realized they could both be town if scum hit Smiley N1 but I don't think this is very likely