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[Psyche]

ok, a little catching up to do.

start here

VOTE: Snow

this vote, combined with them jumping on late yesterday raises concerns. if there was a bus then this is where i think it was, following up with trying to direct day 3 so obviously.

post 1412 is almost like they have set up snow for a while to take the fall today. lycan has also been setting snow up.

(i kinda want to flip snow because it gives so much info about people)

Snow's entry is very defensive.

FWIW this is where I think I am right now:

Lycanfire
Snow2697

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this is so weird, these 3 are locked in a weird death spiral with each other. strongly think there is at least 1 scum in there. just doesn't make sense otherwise, feels like someone has been caught and scum is lashing out in the group

It will only kill Naerys today.

why?

If not the hood, an option can be to look at Naerys-geraintm (both did not vote scum!Dave, but voted town!NAS) and also at Wisp-Naerys conflict dating back to D1 (Wisp looks more town due to his vote into Ranger on D2).
Penguin voted scum!Ranger, so some details on why he is scum might be helpful.

you do know day 1 i will just vote the biggest thread?
yesterday i had no strong view on who was scum or not, certainly i had nothing to indicate Ranger was scum, hence my not voting.

If I was scum why would I swing the momentum back to execute Ranger when it seemed that momentum may have begun picking up elsewhere?

what momentum elsewhere? it was clear Ranger was going yesterday from early on, there was at least 1 scum on their wagon if not both.

It is considering a Mass Claim at this point. We have had 2 nights of actions, it wonders if a third benefits us over forcing claims.

It would like to do this in a Popcorn styling.

i think i am in favour of this, feels like some good claims will trap scum with nowhere else to go. ranger already got done with a bad claim so i dont think scum are good at coming up with good claims between them

We will see. It is most amused you believe you get to dictate today.

Snow is off the table.

I'm not stating I get to dictate the day. In fact I said I'm willing to go outside the hood because I may be tunnelled, I'm just voting my biggest scumread right now.

your snap vote post 1 today certainly gave the mpression you wanted to

i think though VOTE: naerys. the way they jumped off Ranger straight after the claim and gave the impression they did not want to go in thehood. also things like this

Any further thoughts on this yet?

Not fond of the way Titus and gera switched to dave tbh
also kinda dont like Penguin´s position on Wisp, but also i dont like Wisp himself and the way he "suspects" me

On the other side i think dave could be town, he doesnt really feel different from his previous towny games. So i think looking into those, who think dave could be scum is warranted

is this the kind of post that has people townreading gera?
i'd really like to start working toward a shared perspective on him but so far it looks we've been trading in truisms and/or missed messages

[KayJayQueue]

I only have one experience with gera and you know what it was. This definitely feels night and day from that train wreck of a game (for him and me, that is) but maybe that’s a good thing.

[Psyche]

personally i think there's very little substantive reasoning in gera's wallposts and that it might be overlearning to expect him to be similarly inactive across all his scum games

yeah i hate that you do that day 1 thing but i understand that as NAI for you
even beyond that though all of your votes have probably always been on town, and also not super well motivated
not knowing about ranger's neighbor posts is some kind of excuse, sure, but there are other scum in this game and your votes haven't help find them

but hmmm actually the naerys vote

could

turn out to be prescient good luck out there

Sorry I missed this.
I'll reread later

ok, ignoring the bit about my interaction with you that you did reply to (i brought it up because i needed to remind mysel what i thought about you previously)
(not looking at every posst)

2205- defeatist post
2201 - wants now to sheep Gypys.thom

2194 - snips at me for my read on lycan being poor and how i will look bad after they flip (though there would be 5 other people on the same wagon, wont they all look equally bad?)

2188 - zero content interaction with Kay and Naerys

219 - defeatist post
2175 - very deafeatist post

2170 - snippy

2168 - snippy

2156 - frustrated post

2148 - very defeatist post

so i stand by my view that your last series of posts are snippy. you just have the vibe of someone who has relaced in to a scum slot and cannot change the narrative. coupled with scum going down yesterday i wouldnt blame you.


i note in your 2194 you don't actually bother to dispute my read on you

like this looks thoughtful if you're skimming it, but it's just a really wordy expression of a gutread, and quite mechanical and superficial in its analysis
is maybe harsh to put it this way, but none of gera's votes or posts have meaningfully advanced the game and all of his votes have been away from scum

he was really evasive around ranger too, avoiding meaningful takes on how scummy his and dave's iso were, and eventually flatly accepting the pr claim with little to no scrutiny
at best he explains his opposition to the wagon in terms of disagreement with the idea of limming inside the neighborhood, never providing a read on the slot based on its content in the thread
the final gypyx vote was both doomed and listless

think listless is the key summary for all of gera's iso, including his D3 push on me
this pattern stands in sharp contrast to readiness to jump on anyone D1 -- which, while well-known as his policy, should say something about his personality and approach to mafia that i don't see past that
imo it's totally consistent with an iso that's pretending to be sorting

[Psyche]

his sole contribution to D1 was to volunteer that NAS has lurked as scum without any further reflection
but we are supposed to give him a pass for that

[Psyche]

Yeah, but it isn't useful. It is the ekuivalent of my daughter asking me if I would prefer to be a flower or a tree.

I think the question was busywork. Firstly the question is just overlying blegh, I don’t agree with Thom but also Oblivion just dipped immediately after wanting a consistent back and forth.

This is a goodnsummation of some of my thoughts. It just pads the game. It doesn't meaningfully help

It feels like a.lot of bad faith voting going on at the moment.

I just can't work out who

Sites back, yay!

I cannot deal with Ranger. Endless.posts of read lists give me nothing to work with.


Do they normally post like this??

what is useful content for geraintm? will this thread ever see it?

[KayJayQueue]

Ahh yeah I guess you have a point. But that really worries me then. Because I don’t think I’ve meaningfully advanced the game much either and my reads haven’t been very fleshed out. This hood has been incredibly distracting for me and it’s made me feel like I’m literally in the backseat of this game. And I was pushing you/your slot at a point too. I feel like you could be describing me with some of what you said which feels weird since I don’t really feel like I can relate to gera in mafia (in general) but he just seems so different from the last time we played. He literally never did anything unless his ass was on the line so I guess maybe I’m just misconstruing the bare minimum with towniness. But it’s all I have to go off of with him.

[Psyche]

i thinkk a big difference is that you're not a busybody in the same way
but we'll see if it's a big difference

[Psyche]

yesterday i had no strong view on who was scum or not, certainly i had nothing to indicate Ranger was scum, hence my not voting.

for future reference, this is gera's explanation for his D2 play.
(except rather than not voting, he actually voted gypyx on D2, and recommitted to the gypyx wagon the next day soon after this post.)

[KayJayQueue]

Random Nurse - VT
Gypyx - Best Friend Neighbor
Oblivion - VT
geraintm - VT
KayJayQueue - VT
Enchant - Neighbor
Psyche - VT
Thomith - Best Friend Neighbor
Lycanfire - VT

Can someone explain what the most likely breakdown is in terms of “balance” for this (claimed) game? What are we looking for? 2 or 3 more scum? Or whatever, traitor.

Do the not-masons have a read on what exactly Enchant could be? Does anyone else?

Are we done looking at the hood?

Does anyone actually believe Thom/Gypyx are scum running a long con? (I don’t)

Who is everyone’s most “town” read? Not including the besties, I’d rather get opinions on anyone else.

[Random Nurse]

This game is depressing.

Gut is telling me it's Thomith/Gypyx but no one really wants to listen.

Mod, I'll be V/LA until Thursday morning.

[Psyche]

could start by engaging w reasoning about why we all think it's not thomith/gypyx

[Alianna]

This game is depressing.

Gut is telling me it's Thomith/Gypyx but no one really wants to listen.

Mod, I'll be V/LA until Thursday morning.

Noted.

[Thomith]

Random Nurse - VT
Gypyx - Best Friend Neighbor
Oblivion - VT
geraintm - VT
KayJayQueue - VT
Enchant - Neighbor
Psyche - VT
Thomith - Best Friend Neighbor
Lycanfire - VT

Can someone explain what the most likely breakdown is in terms of “balance” for this (claimed) game? What are we looking for? 2 or 3 more scum? Or whatever, traitor.

Do the not-masons have a read on what exactly Enchant could be? Does anyone else?

Are we done looking at the hood?

Does anyone actually believe Thom/Gypyx are scum running a long con? (I don’t)

Who is everyone’s most “town” read? Not including the besties, I’d rather get opinions on anyone else.

I feel like Enchant is a Vanilla Neighbour who tried a gambit to bait me/gypyx into revealing as scum by pretending they were a traitor.

[Gypyx]

could start by engaging w reasoning about why we all think it's not thomith/gypyx

I would appreciate if this thread's energy wad directed at something else than if the two obvious townies are actually town

[Psyche]

don't think it needs the entire thread's energy, but obviously getting RN on the same page about this would be very valuable down the line

[Gypyx]

Why is random nurse fine

I think nurse is just like, kinda obviously town? Or at least he managed to trick himself into forgetting he's scum really hard

[Psyche]

i wonder how scum-RN plays though, how does he try to mimic his town game?
maybe the posting would look more agreeable. at least about thomith/gypyx

[Gypyx]

Random Nurse - VT
Gypyx - Best Friend Neighbor
Oblivion - VT
geraintm - VT
KayJayQueue - VT
Enchant - Neighbor
Psyche - VT
Thomith - Best Friend Neighbor
Lycanfire - VT

Can someone explain what the most likely breakdown is in terms of “balance” for this (claimed) game? What are we looking for? 2 or 3 more scum? Or whatever, traitor.

Do the not-masons have a read on what exactly Enchant could be? Does anyone else?

Are we done looking at the hood?

Does anyone actually believe Thom/Gypyx are scum running a long con? (I don’t)

Who is everyone’s most “town” read? Not including the besties, I’d rather get opinions on anyone else.

I think enchant could very well be scum

we are probably only looking for 2 more scum, doubt there's a traitor

Enchant is strongly under my suspicion

actually yeah VOTE: Enchant

[KayJayQueue]

I think it’s smart for me to trust someone that can base a read on Enchant-slot off of both the game thread and hood thread. If you feel this is the right move, I’m in.

I do worry about what happens if we’re wrong though. I don’t think RN would rest until you’re voted. I don’t know if that would happen but I worry it would get pushed and helped along by scum taking advantage of the situation if Enchant doesn’t flip red. All that being said, I do think Enchant-slot is the current most likely to be bad.

VOTE: Enchant

[Lycanfire]

Gonna take continued lack of content / reading the game as a scumclaim to reduce info.

Way to torpedo a good slot.

[Lycanfire]

I think Psyche is very likely town but I was bothered by the fight I had with random nurse yesterday right after I followed his vote onto Psyche. See the immediate unvote that I quoted above.

[Psyche]

let's talk it over before we commit...i think there's stuff in titus's iso that might cue town.

[Psyche]

actually a lot of titus's posts cue town. wasn't this a more common view just yesterday?

[Psyche]

hmm guess not. where do i start

[Lycanfire]

We can only call Titus so townie before we need Enchant to act like it.