Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)
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The theory goes like this:Chevre wrote:Cyberbob, I have to agree with your stance on iamausername's Post 92. Why in the world would Xalxe want to dictate why she herself was scummy?
A town player, asked to examine their own play and try to reason out what they could possibly have done to merit suspicion would approach the question from a very different perspective than a scum player, because the scum player knows the suspicion is justified, while the town player knows it is not.
I was also hoping to illicit some kind of reaction from farside, since she should find the above paragraph rather familiar. But it looks like she's missed or ignored the whole thing.
If you say so. I'm actually not so suspicious of Xalxe any more, his response when I asked him to produce a case on himself looks more like a town response.Chevre wrote:That being said, iamausername, you need to explain why you believe Xalxe to be scummy.
As for where the suspicion came from in the first place, here is Xalxe's first post in the thread:
"Had I been around I'd have voted nocase instantly" - What was stopping him from voting nocase here? He says himself that he hasn't seen any reason for nocase/inHim's fake PRs, so if they would have earned a vote when they were made, why don't they earn a vote now?Xalxe wrote:
But since I have no school today, I'm here for a bit.Kublai Khan wrote:Deadline added to OP (5 weeks).
Also, Xalxe PMed me that he will be V/LA until 1/23 (Sunday).
So, thoughts on the 4 pages so far:
nocase and InHim: WTF? Don't fakeclaim post restrictions. Had I been around, I'd have voted nocase instantly. I still haven't really seen reasoning behind the fakeclaims.
DGB: DEAR GOD NOT AGAIN--er, hey there, how you doin?
Korlash: Nice to see you again. I really mean that I knew you existed and then disappeared, so hi.
Dutch one: I really, for your sake, hope you can keep up with this shit. It gets crazy fast.
Chevre: is there anywhere better your vote could be right now?
SpyreX: could you explain the Gorrad vote?
P-EDIT: DGB, I'm camping 2 hours away, hence v/la.
Also, he asks Chevre if there's anywhere better he could put his vote, but Xalxe isn't using his vote at all, so maybe he should remove the plank of wood from his own eye.
Could someone maybe summarise the parts of Chevre's ridiciulous post that are actually relevant and not explaining how the game of mafia works? I already know how the game of mafia works. That post was like the most tl;dr thing I've ever seen.
sounds like a miniature homosexual.Seraphim wrote:poofling lol
Chevre wrote:However, I do know that anything that seems out-of-the-ordinary or not seeming to benefit the town is scummy.
In other news, Dutch is super town. RedCoyote is good people too.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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OK, I guess I was right in the first place. XalxeXalxe wrote:
I would enjoy proof.nocase wrote:xalxe's posts are so cynical and sneakily light on actual scum-hunting-related content that i find it difficult to believe that they're coming from the perspective of an uninformed townie trying to find scum.isscum.
Someone asked me what I thought of Gorrad and CKD. Gonna have to cop out on a CKD read, he's entirely under my radar at the moment. I don't mean that he's lurking, just nothing in his posts has given me any particular opinion one way or the other on his alignment.
My immediate thought on Gorrad's fluff-posting early on were "He's still playing like it's 2008!", and lo and behold, I looked up his post history, and he has played in precisely one (1) game since the end of 2009. We used to be so inefficient.
I'm not going to absolve him of all his sins on that basis; his vote on Cyberbob is a bad vote for bad reasons. But there are bigger fish to fry as far as I'm concerned.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Oh hey I forgot to mention that I was going to be away for a couple of days. Well that's done now.
This is bad. All of these people should probably pick one of Chevre and Gorrad, or do a much better job of pushing their current vote, realise that still nobody cares, and then pick one of Chevre and Gorrad.Kublai Khan wrote:curiouskarmadog - 1 - farside22
Jerbs - 1 - Dutch one
Antihero - 1 - iamausername
nocase - 1 - Gorrad
Dutch one - 1 - curiouskarmadog
farside22 - 1 - Cyberbob
SpyreX - 1 - Korlash
Katsuki - 1 - Dutch one
Players not voting: Runner, Kmd4390, inHimshallibe
Cyberbob already did a pretty good job of explaining why Antihero is scummy, and I would like to redirect attention to that, read it here. But because that was a long post, I feel like the most salient point may have been missed by a lot of people:
This after he has voted Korlash, giving the reason of "It's fun to watch scum fail", and then Seraphim, giving the reason of "Read post 69; it's a doozy". This ably demonstrates that these two votes were not Antihero voting without reasons because he understands that this is a useful town approach, they were Antihero voting without reasons because he is trying to fit in with the cool kids.Antihero wrote: Voting without giving a good reason? Sounds like a poofling to me.
Antihero didn't address this point in the slightest when Cyberbob brought it up, either.
Here are some reasons why I would also be more than happy to vote Xalxe:
In Post #294, Xalxe makes this comment:iamausername wrote:
"Had I been around I'd have voted nocase instantly" - What was stopping him from voting nocase here? He says himself that he hasn't seen any reason for nocase/inHim's fake PRs, so if they would have earned a vote when they were made, why don't they earn a vote now?Xalxe wrote:
But since I have no school today, I'm here for a bit.Kublai Khan wrote:Deadline added to OP (5 weeks).
Also, Xalxe PMed me that he will be V/LA until 1/23 (Sunday).
So, thoughts on the 4 pages so far:
nocase and InHim: WTF? Don't fakeclaim post restrictions. Had I been around, I'd have voted nocase instantly. I still haven't really seen reasoning behind the fakeclaims.
DGB: DEAR GOD NOT AGAIN--er, hey there, how you doin?
Korlash: Nice to see you again. I really mean that I knew you existed and then disappeared, so hi.
Dutch one: I really, for your sake, hope you can keep up with this shit. It gets crazy fast.
Chevre: is there anywhere better your vote could be right now?
SpyreX: could you explain the Gorrad vote?
P-EDIT: DGB, I'm camping 2 hours away, hence v/la.
Also, he asks Chevre if there's anywhere better he could put his vote, but Xalxe isn't using his vote at all, so maybe he should remove the plank of wood from his own eye.
I have pointedly failed to justify my vote on Antihero before now, and also psychically influenced Cyberbob to answer for me. Xalxe has failed to follow up on any of this in any way. This is fake scumhunting.Xalxe wrote:I would like explanations on their votes from the following players:
-Katsuki
-werewolf555
-iamausername
-curiouskarmadog
Failure to answer will result in bonus scumpoints. Answering for them will result in scumpoints for both.
If there are any questions I missed, or any important points that need to be brought to my attention, speak now.
Post #313: I do not believe this is a town response to nocase's post. It's a classic tell of a liar; an innocent party will say "you're wrong" or "that's ridiculous" or "fuck you", attacking the accusation itself, wheras a guilty party will say "you can't prove it" or "how can you be so sure?", attacking theevidenceof the accusation. Xalxe's post here falls pretty squarely in the latter camp.
After that, his posts devolve into this:
I believe everyone on Seraphim and Jerbs should remove their votes and join us in lynching chevre.Wait, why the Seraphim switch?
I'm still content with chevre.chevre.
Seriously.Well, for now, just lynch chevre IMHO, mmkay?Less idle chitchat, more chevre lynching.Also, vote chevre jerbs and antihero (if you're not already)
If he's that vociferous about this lynch, he must have a super amazing case for it, right?
FTFYDrippingGoofball wrote:I have an idea. Let's lynch chevre!
Yeah, no, that's it. That's Xalxe's entire case.Xalxe wrote:
Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Bullshit.Chevre wrote:farside22, yes, I honestly now do think my vote could be relocated. I just keep forgetting to do so, but I will not forget this time.Unvote. Vote: Jerbs
I like this wagon. Let’s see if it survives until page 12.
Unvote
VOTE: Xalxe
I like this one better, actually.
p.s. as per above, I'll be picking Gorrad when this post inevitably fails to attract anyone to a Xalxe/Antihero lynch, because Chevre is obvtown.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I quoted a post where RedCoyote applauded Gorrad for not attempting to place every one of nocase's posts in a negative light, and congratulated RedCoyote for something that he did not actually do. Is it really that difficult to find the hidden meaning in that comment?Xalxe wrote:iamausername, that doesn't really help anything. Could you please explain it?
WELL HOW ABOUT THATiamausername wrote:This is bad. All of these people should probably pick one of Chevre and Gorrad, or do a much better job of pushing their current vote, realise that still nobody cares, and then pick one of Chevre and Gorrad.
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I think what DGB is saying is that, in spite of your example, she finds the case on werewolf unconvincing due to [ongoing game]. I agree with this assessment entirely, except for the part where she's marked RedCoyote as one of the scum on that wagon. Although he is more likely than Chevre or dutch one, at least.farside22 wrote:
That game is over. That is a newbie game where the mod didn't change the title. He does have an ongoing game he was active. The modkilled game he is bitter about was a misreprep........also avoiding a game is not a town tellDrippingGoofball wrote:
Yeah but, yeah but, ongoing games and all, it's a good example but I'm not totally convinced.farside22 wrote:Here was a link I was thinking of when I said wolf can do better: newbElapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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OK, well if we're going to go ahead and talk about the ongoing game, let's get all the facts on the table. werewolf was modkilled andturned into a neutral survivor, meaning that he has lost that game, however it turns out. Of course he's going to be bitter about that. I think he is well within his rights to be bitter about that.
I don't like the werewolf lynch one bit, and I especially don't like the way certain people are characterising his obvious newb confusion about what exactly constitues a modkillable offence as a malicious attempt to get farside modkilled to further a scum win condition. That's patently ridiculous, and I have a hard time seeing it as a good faith argument.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Hey all, super V/LA right now. Should hopefully be able to get a half decent post later today, then I'll probably have no access at all until Friday.
After that I'm moving in with my girlfriend, who does not yet have internet, but I'll get a start on sorting that out when I'm up there Tuesday to Thursday, so hopefully it won't take long before I'm back in action. Cheers!
just in case I need to bold text to make the mod read it:
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Update on my moving/internet situation; activation date is Monday 21st, so I'll have pretty much no access next week. (I can get on with my phone, but that's hella tedious just to read threads, never mind making a decent sized post).
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Post #9: The first of many Antihero posts that strikes me as scummy. I don't have a tangible reason for this one, my gut just says that this post feels wrong.
Post #17: Gut scummy feeling about this one too; saying "I'm going to ignore nocase's post restriction" is a contradictory statement, clearly, and it feels really self-conscious to me, like he's trying to pre-emptively deflect any "why didn't you say anything about nocase?" questions. If you're going to ignore it, then just ignore it. This just comes off like he's waiting to see how the town at large feels about nocase before he takes a side himself, which is hella scummy.
Post #37: fuckin love this post. i want to marry it.
Post #38: I would not expect SpyreX to be this dense, but I can't see what he stands to gain from it as scum, so it's just weird.
Post #49 & Post #57: Combination scummy. "It's fun to watch scum fail", to me, heavily implies that some kind of slip has occurred. Certainly something more concrete than "craptacular post disguised as content".
Post #69: Last sentence here makes Seraphim look town, though.
Post #72: I remember reaching the conclusion that Chevre is obvtown at some point yesterday, but this post looks kind of scummy, actually. Specifically the "Certain philosophies would have you lynched under that statement.". It's like she wants to call for a LAL policy lynch, but she just doesn't have the guts to go through with it.
Post #99: dutch one so town it hurts. I probably said this before, but I want to reiterate.
Post #119: DGB suggesting that dutch one is scummy looks bad. I would expect her to be one of the first to realise how obvious town he is.
Post #128: Read the first line of this post, seriously wondering where the hell I got the idea that Chevre was town from. The rest of the post does nothing to remind me.
Post #140: OK, DGB was just a little slow on the uptake, not scum. That's fine.
Post #164: i still can't read it
Post #170: I'm not convinced that CKD read it either. If Chevre turns out to be scum, I'm pretty sure CKD should take a bullet just for this post.
Post #175: Serpahim's reaction looks a heck of a lot more natural.
Post #176: Antihero's reaction says nothing at all. "Made my day", what does that actually mean?
Post #177: Good points about this post - points out that Antihero is Scum of Scum Hall.
Bad points about this post - FoS not vote, warns Antihero to "think carefully before you answer". Maybe some bussing going on here.
Post #183: Making a note to remember this. I have a feeling Antihero will contradict it later, but I don't remember for sure.
Post #193: That's twice now that Runner has made a point of saying "I am not sure what to think of DGB. I will call her neutralfor now." Looks really contrived, and the 'for now' is either an admission that his reads are artificially constructed, or implies that he is psychic. Or at least thinks he is.
Post #198: "I see the case on farside, Gorrad, and Antihero, Seraphim." The 'and' stuck in the middle there is intriguing. Logic would suggest that it means Seraphim's name was added as an afterthought. I don't know if that means anything significant though.
Post #207: hey guys sup i'm just going to casually shift gears from 'i'm voting dutch one so he'll stop ignoring me' to 'dutch one is scum' and hope no one notices
Post #225: Seriously, seriously wondering where the hell my town read on Chevre came from. What the hell, man.
Post #257: Antihero asking inane questions of Seraphim that signify nothing. Continues to look like a distancing argument between the two of them.
Post #260: I noticed that DGB gave farside town status for "bothering to meta only to change her own mind", which I agree is a pretty strong town tell, and I think Korlash deserves the same credit here.
Post #348: Feelin' this, actually. I don't know where my head was yesterday, like none of my town reads actually look very good on reread.
Post #353: ...except for dutch one, that is. DON'T START THIS AGAIN DGB
Post #385: Agreeing with the last part of this post. DGB and Cyberbob are both high on my town list, and Chevre is not, but it's like they've let Chevre get away with all kinds of murder and arson and what not, and now they've discovered him dodging taxes and they're like "ah-HAH!"
Post #409: That's a pretty solid list. Antihero's at the wrong end, but otherwise, good calls.
Post #434: Oh, maybe that's why I was so against the Chevre wagon. Inverse guilt by association.
Post #453: Antihero completely forgets where his vote is. Usually lightly scummy, but in this particular instance, it's supersized. So Antihero's been drumbeating for a Chevre lynch for ages, then all of a sudden he reads a werewolf post that makes him think that werewolf knows Chevre is town, so he switches his vote to werewolf. You'd think that such a radical re-evaluation of his top suspect might stick in his mind, no? Unless of course his 'suspicion' of werewolf was completely contrived.
Post #473: "I'm here but my claim will have to wait an hour" - WHOA. How is it that DGB has even considered lynching anyone else since this post?
Post #482: Hey it's a wall post that I was actually able to read. Hey that's an awful lot of of effort to go to just to put a bit of WIFOM out there about your buddies.
Post #494: This is pretty lol because he could be describing his own werewolf vote.
And that's all I've got time for. Dang. Here's where we stand after 20 pages:
DrippingGoofball
Cyberbob
Dutch one
inHimshallibe
nocase
Korlash
SeraphimXtoxm
Jerbsyabbaguy
SpyreX
RunnerWeatherman
Kmd4390
KatsukiPokerFace
RedCoyote
curiouskarmadog
Chevre
Antihero
See you in a week. Sorry I didn't manage the whole thread before I left.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Hey there's an open Wifi hotspot just about in range here so it turns out you don't all need to wait a week for my return. Rejoice.
Continuing where I left off...
Post #540: I don't think Korlash's case is as strong as he thinks it is here, but this post reads pretty strongly as town to me. I believe that he believes it.
Post #548: dutch one still town.
Post #562: Korlash now arguing for the sake of arguing, and making some incredibly dumb comments in the process. I think he might have accidentally unearthed something worthwhile though, the Xalxe/CKD stuff seems like there is a definite inconsistency going on from SpyreX.
Post #589: Now that the Chevre wagon has come to a sudden halt, Antihero returns to his contrived suspicion on werewolf, the most easy target money can buy.
Post #595: I'm glad I wasn't the only one taken aback by kmd randomly declaring the scumteam as the most experienced players here (give or take a farside, I guess). I'm really having trouble seeing how that statement could be born out of a town mindset.
Post #624: Antihero, Chevre, CKD and now RedCoyote all jumping on the werewolf wagon in quick succession. Boy, I can't imagine how I resisted that one.
Post #626: Dutch one I can understand, but nocase really should have known better.
Post #632: This makes so much sense that I'm still surprised it turned out to be wrong. It was probably the main reason I gave in and joined up with the Gorrad wagon, actually.
Post #677: Oh wait, yeah, Korlash voted SpyreX in #540, then in #562 he said "I don't think you're scummy, just being stupid", but continued voting for SpyreX, and here he reaffirms that SpyreX vote. What the hey?
Post #711: Strong opening statement from yabbaguy. I never saw what DGB saw in Jerbs, but from the looks of his replacement, she was right.
Post #716: There's something about "Correction:Youare scum" that I find hilarious. I know it's straight up OMGUS, but he phrases it like he's reverting a Wikipedia edit.
Post #729: Hello guilty conscience speaking. Antihero takes a statement that says "The werewolf wagon is really, really lame. I bet it's heavy with scum." and takes it to be all about him, even though there were 7 other players in the wagon at the time, and DGB did not give any indication at any point that this comment was directed at Antihero.
Post #753: Interesting stuff going on with CKD around this point. He decides that werewolf is so scummy that it would be literally impossible for anyone to believe that werewolf was town without insider knowledge, and votes Xalxe on that basis... but then he misreads Xalxe's join date by a year and mistakenly believes him to be a raw noob, and therefore lets him off the hook for noobishness. While werewolf, the actual noob, still needs to die for his sins. It really doesn't make a lot of sense, but the way he lets Xalxe off is the first time CKD has appeared to show any concern about figuring out another players alignment in this game, and now I'm thinking it's possible that he's just really misguided town.
Post #813: Something really oily about this post. I am trying to put my finger on it but it just keeps slipping away.
Post #817: I didn't think I could be more interested in discovering the true identity of an alt than I was in knowing who roflcopter is, but then Weatherman comes along and calls me "one of the few greatest players of all times on mafiascum". Damn my narcissism.
also this post is town.
Post #897: Oh, but this righteous indignation feels totally genuine. Dammit people, town or scum, just pick one and stop flitting between the two.
Post #941: For real.
Post #958: Fucking finally. If I don't get an Antihero lynch on D2 after this, THERE WILL BE BLOOD.
Post #981: Hey DGB, you missed me in your list of players who suspected Xalxe D1. Also if you think scum were deliberately aiming for a cross kill when they shot him you are living in a fantasy world. I have never seen scum try to take out other scum on N1, and I severely doubt that you have either.
Post #985: This vote is unxpected and throws me off.
Post #991: Oh dear, SpyreX is scum, isn't he?
Post #1030: Weatherman bringing the fury. Fuck yeah.
Post #1038: Interested to know a) how CKD ends up any higher than Neutral, and b) how nocase and inhim end up in different sections when they've been largely indistinguishable in this game.
Post #1045: Chevre claims that her CKD vote was born out of confusion after her top suspect werewolf flipped town, and cites her massive L-1 "I'm gonna die here are my thoughts" post as evidence of previous suspicion of CKD. But that post pretty clearly lists her top four suspects, in order, as werewolf, Jerbs, dutch one, THEN CKD. So what changed to keep Chevre from voting Jerbs/Yabbaguy or Dutch one? Especially considering she reiterates her suspicion of dutch one now that a wagon has formed there, it seems to me that she was just voting CKD because other people had voiced suspicion of him.
Post #1072: This would make sense if people had been calling dutch one scummy prior to the werewolf flip, and changed their minds a result of it, but I for one have found dutch one to be noobtown through and through since well before I even had an opinion on werewolf.
Post #1075: RedCoyote, are you seriously suggesting that you are being "a pragmatist and a realist" by giving up on an Antihero lynch as a possibility after making NO FUCKING EFFORT WHATSOEVER to make one happen? Because I will cut you.
UPDATED SPECTRUM LOOKS LIKE THIS:
DrippingGoofball
RunnerWeatherman
Dutch one
Jerbsyabbaguy
Cyberbob
inHimshallibe
nocase
Korlash
SeraphimXtoxm
KatsukiPokerFace
Kmd4390
curiouskarmadog
SpyreX
RedCoyote
Chevre
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There are already three people voting for Antihero (Myself, Weatherman, DGB). In addition to these, you have the following:RedCoyote wrote:I implore you to prove me wrong about the strength of an Antihero wagon, because I would be interested in seeing it gain steam and hopefully joining it.
RedCoyote - claims it is his #1 choice, votes elsewhere.
Cyberbob - claims it is his #1 choice, votes elsewhere
So that's five people who either are or ought to be voting Antihero, which just happens to be the same number of people as the number who would currently be voting dutch one if you put your vote in its rightful place.
In addition, just by isoing players and looking for the last time they mentioned Antihero, I can find several other players who are clearly, at the very least, not opposed to the idea of an Antihero wagon.
This is not a case of you being a pragmatist and a realist, and compromising on a second choice vote because no one is willing to go with your first choice. This is a case of you saying one thing and doing another.
QED.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Hopefully not, but it's kind of tempramental. I wouldn't be surprised if it suddenly dropped out entirely, it did for several hours last night.Kublai Khan wrote:- iamausername is V/LA 14-21 (still?)
Yes. The question is, why didn't you?RedCoyote wrote:Alright, username. You did your homework.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Remember Post #170? It's the first one.DrippingGoofball wrote:
You're scum, so you're either bus'ing Chevre, or you're going after townies. You tell me which.curiouskarmadog wrote:DGB, am I scum bussing Chevre?Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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iamausername wrote:Post #183: Making a note to remember this. I have a feeling Antihero will contradict it later.
Hey look, I'm psychic!Kublai Khan wrote:Players not voting:AntiheroElapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Here.Antihero wrote:Link please?
You've been tunneling on me this entire game, and now you're changing your tune because of a vague non-claim?
Explain yourself.
In brief, roflcopter dropped heavy hints about having an innocent result on Yosarian2, I was a jailkeeper and had targeted rofl on the night in question, but due to the possible roles in the setup, it was still theoretically possible that he could have some kind of result on Yos, though I was pretty sure he was lying scum (and he was). So I gave a vague non-claim in order to force a full-claim out of him and blah blah clusterfuckcakes.
Anyway, your behaviour here makes little to no sense as a scum ploy. It makes perfect sense as a town player who has some maybe sort of incriminating evidence that proves Xtoxm is lying. I know this because it looks a lot like my behaviour in the aforementioned game.
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Xtoxm wrote:
I'm not sure why people think they're waiting for me, I have claimed. It is Antihero's turn.Weatherman wrote:Xtoxm, I'm not sure if this is alignment related or not but you suck. I'm sorry but you really do. You don't abandon posting and set up a ghost game in a large for 5 days out of a simple claim situation while being on site.
Also frustrated at PF's non-response so far.
- I choose one person each night
- I die if they are dangerous
- I chose Yabbaguy last night
- I live to to tell the tale
- Yabbaguy is not dangerous
- You have claimed the 'Weak' modifier.
- You have not claimed the ability that it is modifying.
- That is what we are waiting for.
- It is not fucking difficult to answer this simple question.
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No, Antihero's behaviour still doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. His claim was not well thought out, but as a scum roleblocker, he'd know that Xtoxm wasn't lying and figure out how he could still think yabba was innocent despite being blocked. As a town roleblocker, he'd have much more reason to believe that Xtoxm could be lying and newsboy jump in with the counter claim without thinking through all the possibilities.
They're both town. Let's lynch Chevre instead.
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I LIKE PRETTY COLOURS AND LISTING THE ENTIRE PLAYER LISTyabbaguy wrote:Transparency please, everyone, I'd like top 3/5/whatever suspect lists, no funny business or shenanigans. Korlash doesn't like numbers, that's fine, we won't do a 1-5 scale. But we desperately need to have clear indicators of where everyone stands at this point, we're a bunch of apathetic wrecks who are impulsively latching onto anything that sorta kinda makes sense at this point and complacently accepting replies to just the current events as significant enough contribution.
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CKD moves down to #1 suspect given a scum flip on Chevre.
I might do some effort posting to explain why everybody should be voting Chevre if I need to, but that wagon seems to building pretty nicely on its own at the moment.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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iamausername wrote:I might do some effort posting to explain why everybody should be voting Chevre if I need toKorlash wrote:I've forgotten more then I know about chev already, in fact the only thing I can remember about her yesterday was that I seemed to be against her lynch. So while I'm willing to relook at whatever case is against her today odds are I'll come to the same conclusion.Cyberbob wrote:Not quite sure why people are still voting Chevre. Has anything changed in the last few pages that I've missed? Doesn't really seem like it to me.
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Here are a couple of quotes from Chevre regarding nocase post restriction nonsense at the start of the game:
You need to explain your restriction; otherwise, people have plenty of reasoning to suspect you.
"people have plenty of reason to suspect you"That being said, nocase and inHimshallibe, why would you lie about having a post restriction? Certain philosophies would have you lynched under that statement.
"certain philosophies would have you lynched"
The important point here is that neither of these quotes actually say anything about how Chevre herself feels, merely that people in general would probably find this behaviour suspicious. It's seriously weasely.
Later, Chevre posts 98 paragraphs explaining the rules of mafia which nobody is actually able to read, and implies that inHim is scum for admitting to not reading it. I find it difficult to believe that Chevre would genuinely think that every town player would bother to read that post. I'm pretty sure Chevre was fully aware that someone would respond to that pile of bullshit with a "tl;dr", and the entire reason she posted it was to act snotty and say "I guess you don't care about the town winning" as soon as anyone balked at actually reading it.
Katsuki says "Re: Chevre wall, I see no pro-town reasoning for typing such a giant wall of text at this point of the game". Chevre responds with "Katsuki, give me a few reasons why scum would make the post I did".
Yes, that's totally reasonable, Katsuki can't just say "there's no reason for town to do that" without also explaining why scum would do iOH HEY WAIT A MINUTE
I guess this doesn't apply to Chevre herself.Chevre, [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2743843#p2743843]Post #182[/url] wrote:I do know that anything that seems out-of-the-ordinary or not seeming to benefit the town is scummy.
"That's anti-town" is basically another version of "some people would find that suspicious". Why is Chevre always talking about the average man's reads and not her own?Chevre wrote: nocase, I find that very anti-town of you, to say that Xalxe is not scumhunting and then when he asks you a legitimate question of elaboration, you tell him to stop posting. How is that going to help us?
Chevre's second giant text wall is actually readable, and it's understandable that this saved her from the lynch yesterday. On the surface, it looks pretty good; she actually takes a lot of solid stances here. It's too bad that's all completely evaporated over the course of D2.
Chevre begins D2 with a vote on CKD, which she explains thusly:
What she doesn't ever explain is why her vote fell on CKD, her fourth highest scumread in the referenced post, and not on her #2 or #3 suspects, Jerbs and Dutch one (#1 suspect was werewolf, who is of course dead). Especially given her quick hop over to the Dutch wagon, it seems to me that she was just voting with popular opinion there.Chevre wrote:In my "I'm going to be lynched so here's everything" post, I stated that I thought you were leaning scummy ever-so-slightly. That's pretty much my sole reasoning for the vote. I with werewolf555 nked, I was unsure of where to start.
Here she explains again and directly contradicts herself. "I didn't have a solid starting point" followed by "I'm very convinced that Dutch one is scum". Why wasn't that a solid starting point? It's not based on anything Dutch one did on D2.Chevre wrote:Pokerface, I voted for curiouskarmadog to begin today because I didn't have a solid starting point, and I felt he was slightly scummy before. I'm very convinced that Dutch one is scum; the way he alone defended me on Day 1 when it looked as if I was going to be lynched looked so much like scum buddying to town.
Chevre wrote:Hmmm, I seem to have missed where we confirmed XtoXm as town.
This is not a town post. This is the response of scum who is irritated that people have figured out that someone is town.
Chevre's latest post. We've gone from those seemingly solid stances at the end of D1 to this jelly-like substance where everybody gets coated in a thin layer of suspicion, and Chevre floats along with popular opinion like a Drifloon in the wind.
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I think you'll find I was on both, muchacho.Kmd4390 wrote: [Yabba, InHim, nocase, Cyberbob] appear in both lists.
[Kmd, Dutch, Poker, RedCoyote] voted only Chevre.
[Iam, DGB, Spy, Antihero] voted only Gorrad.
That means [Korlash, Weather] voted none.
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I think it's time for one of these posts. Going for a different format this time, because variety is the spice of life.
Antihero
Not going to go into all the reasons I found him scummy before his claim, I think that's been covered well enough.
I think we can take it as read that Antihero is a roleblocker who blocked Xtoxm on N1. Whether he's atownroleblocker, that's another matter. But I still think it's considerably less likely that a scum roleblocker would jump the gun and claim when Antihero did, because he'd know Xtoxm was town. I imagine the thought process would go something like this:
TOWN ANTIHERO:
-Xtoxm just claimed to have an innocent on yabbaguy
-But I blocked him! He's lying!
-Why is he lying?
-He's scum! Get him!
SCUM ANTIHERO:
--Xtoxm just claimed to have an innocent on yabbaguy
-But I blocked him! He's lying!
-Why is he lying?
-???
-Maybe he's not lying...
-Read role list
-Yes, there are ways he could think yabbaguy was confirmed even though I blocked him.
CKD watch: very little interaction. Gives approval to a "let's kill these people" list including CKD here, but then, the list is eight names long. Not really significant.
Cyberbob
Definitely not lacking in interaction with CKD. Earlier in his iso, it looks a little suspect; he votes for CKD a couple of times, but he never really pushes it much, and it's always clear that there's someone else he'd rather lynch. But he does actually start to get serious about it towards the end of D2, those interactions do not look like bussing to me.
Independantly, he's been a little bit going with the flow; he was there on the Gorrad wagon and both D1 and D2s Chevre wagons without being much of an instigator, especially on Chevre. He was also on the Antihero, but he was really the first one to start pushing that, and frequently kept pushing it in the face of indifference, which looks town to me.
DrippingGoofball
cba explaining why I'm so sure DGB is town. call it gut, if you like.
Dutch one
As I said, reading CKD's iso makes it clear that he is town, even if it wasn't obvious already.
inHimshallibe
Has become increasingly shady as the game progresses. I don't have an issue with the no explanations playstyle, actions speak louder than words and all that. What does bother me is his reaction to the Xtoxm/Antihero claim furore. And his reaction to other people's reactions to same. I have trouble seeing how all of these posts can come from the same worldview:
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Please tell me this is the guy we're lynching.Xtoxm wrote:Unvote
What do you think you have on me, Antihero? Your actions here look pretty townly so there's probably an explanation for all this.
Also, I never claimed cop. Don't go jumping to conclusions, people. I simply said that I know Yabbaguy is not dangerous.inHimshallibe wrote:
Haven't you been anti-Antihero for the majority of this game?RedCoyote wrote:PF, how can I pick a side when all I have are vague innuendos? Hell, who's to say they aren't both town?inHimshallibe wrote:
Haven't thought that far ahead. His claim sucks, let's lynch him.Kmd4390 wrote:Tell me, Inhim. If we lynch Xtoxm and he flips town, would you want to lynch Antihero next? What about Yabba?
CKD watch: Consistently on his "kill this guy" list, consistently no effort is made by inhim to actually kill this guy. Definitely suspect.inHimshallibe wrote:
Good posting.iamausername wrote:No, Antihero's behaviour still doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. His claim was not well thought out, but as a scum roleblocker, he'd know that Xtoxm wasn't lying and figure out how he could still think yabba was innocent despite being blocked. As a town roleblocker, he'd have much more reason to believe that Xtoxm could be lying and newsboy jump in with the counter claim without thinking through all the possibilities.
They're both town. Let's lynch Chevre instead.
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Jerbs/yabbaguy
May or may not be cleared by Xtoxm, depending on how Hider works here, and since Kublai isn't answering, I guess we'll have to say not. I'd been assuming as such anyway, given that the Hider description on the first page doesn't say anything about it preventing any actions on the hider besides kills, but whatever. yabbaguy is probably town anyway.
He's made a lot of sense all the way through, I really like his attempts to break the D1 deadlock here, especially given that we now know that all four players on the chopping block were town. He's really showing a lot of care about getting the best lynch at a time when scum would give no fuck. His nocase attacks are striking out against the borgeousie, misguided though they may have been. He starts up the crappy dutch one wagon, then changes his mind once it gets going. He does an extensive meta read on Antihero and comes out with no real conclusion. None of this is scum behaviour.
Katsuki/PokerFace
I don't remember these two doinganything, so I'm interested to see what happens when I read their iso.
Oh right, Katsuki was the guy who replaced out because he couldn't keep up, but did a fine job of keeping up with every comment about his possible reasons for wanting to replace out after he requested replacement. That was funny.
Oh right, PokerFace is the guy who has asked a bunch of inane questions that signify absolutely nothing and never followed up on anyone's answers to those questions. That was funny. No wait, the other thing. Scummy.
Also D2, he's all like "I don't know what the case is on Antihero, I'm sure I'll figure it out just in time to hop on before deadline though if we don't lynch Dutch one by then". Props for not hiding your evil plans there, PokerFace.
He does not look like someone who is trying to figure out who is scum, at all. He looks like someone who is trying to find the easiest lynch.
KMD
I don't care.
Korlash
I understand about 30% of what he's saying, which doesn't help. Noting again that he explicitly states in Post #562 that he doesn't think SpyreX is scum, but continues to vote for him, and apparently changes his mind again later down the line. This post definitely comes across as a "knows SpyreX is town" slip, actually.
Korlash's posting in general is kind of running on a single-issue platform. It's pretty much all SpyreX all the time.
He makes a bizarre comment in Post #1070, suggesting that KMD should look for scum on the werewolf wagon instead of the Gorrad wagon, even though he himself was on the werewolf wagon, and the guy he's been trying to lynch for the entire game was on the Gorrad wagon. My first instinct would be that he's protecting buddies on the Gorrad wagon, but CKD was on werewolf, so unless it's some kind of crazy reverse psychology gambit, it doesn't make any more sense from a scum point of view than a town one. Just baffling.
Also he recently argued against someone suggesting that he is definitely not scum with SpyreX. The only motivation I can see for that is that he is scum and doesn't want SpyreX to become cleared if he dies.
I'll get to the rest tomorrow probably. Right now I think it would be productive to
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Continuing where I left off...
RedCoyote
I thought I'd somewhat made my peace with him, because although I still find the whole 'Antihero is my top suspect, but I'm just going to blindly assume that there's no support for that lynch without bothering to check' thing problematic, it mostly made sense to me as a Coyote/Antihero scumpair tell, and since I no longer believe that Antihero is scum, that doesn't work.
But then I went through his iso, and something still felt off, and then I went through his iso looking specifically for his opinions about Chevre, and now I believe I have whiplash.
This right here is setting all kinds of sirens wailing on my scumdar. But then for every post like that I find, there's another one that gives me completely the opposite feeling. It's kind of annoying. I should maybe catalogue them all and see what everyone else thinks. But not right now.RedCoyote wrote:
The last time I used this argument against Kat, I was scum, Dutch. Are you?Dutch 548 wrote:I'm playing in another Mafia game (square enix mafia IV), and in that game, Katsuke recently joined as a replacement. She is quite active there, but at the same time she says she is a bit inactive at this Mafia because she is so incredibly busy. If you were really that busy, then you wouldn't join another game as a replacement.
Also wondering how RedCoyote feels about PokerFace, given that he had Katsuki down as one of his top suspects way back when, and given PokerFace's generally lacking performance thus far.
Runner/Weatherman
If he's scum, he is doing a truly exceptional job of playing me. I can't see any reason to believe this is the case.
I'd forgotten that he has totally already made the exact same case I just made against PokerFace.
SpyreX
The thing with SpyreX is that he's totally scummy, BUT pretty much all the other people I think are at all likely to be scum are on him like flies on honey. So either there's some heavy bussing going down, or I have got something wrong somewhere. Like maybe some super cunning scum has snuck into my town list. Or maybe SpyreX is not scum, he's just having a bad game. But, that being the case, maaan, is he ever.
D1: "Gorrad is scum." Series of posts whining that no one is listening to him.
D2: "Dutch is scum." Series of posts whining that no one is listening to him.
D3: "RedCoyote is scum." What happens next?
It's just so lazy, you know? Once you've found your target for the day, that's it as far as putting any real effort in goes.
Added to that, probably the most suspicious interactions with CKD out of anyone. Specifically:
It's not just the "guys, let's lynch this townie first, and if he flips scum, THEN we can lynch CKD" thing, though obviously, there's strong scum motivation for that. It's the "lynchable on his own" bit that feels really off to me. I don't think town Spy would say that. I think he'd leave it at "lynch Gorrad, then we'll talk". I do think scum Spy who was worried about being linked to CKD would say it to try to prove that he wasn't.SpyreX wrote:And, CKD is cart before the horse to a degree. Lynchable on his own? Sure (60/40). A much, much better lynch after a Gorrad scum flip? Hot damn yes (80/20).
I understand people being wary about the insta-wagon springing up at the start of the day, but don't make the mistake of assuming that 'being speed-wagoned' = 'town'. Check out this page, for example. VP Baltar is scum, and goes from zero votes to L-1 within a single page, and there's not even any bussing involved. It can happen.
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That's not the point and you know it.SpyreX wrote:Yea, I thought gorrad was scum. Pretty sure you did too?
Ugh. Korlash's latest post really feels like gloating, and I don't like it. I knew I was lying down with dogs when I joined this wagon, but dammit, the fleas are worse than I expected. I don't think I can do this.
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I know it isn't phrased as a question, but I was kind of hoping to see a response to this, Coyote.iamausername wrote: Also wondering how RedCoyote feels about PokerFace, given that he had Katsuki down as one of his top suspects way back when, and given PokerFace's generally lacking performance thus far.
Korlash, if you're looking for the gloating in your post, it's here:
This is basically translating to me as "haw haw, you thought Gorrad was scum".Korlash wrote:Really? I thought it almost never happened when you push a dude's lynch for 30 pages without being able to back it up or add to it cumulatively... My whole thesis was based around this... Wait, crossing your fingers and blindfoldingly picking people at random among the most useless players is guaranteed to find scum right? I'll start writing it up immediately.
Level with me, inHim. Not one single other person has expressed any particular interest in lynching Cyberbob, as far as I can recall. You have not made any attempt to persuade anyone that he is scum. What do you actually expect to achieve with this?inHimshallibe wrote:vote: Cyberbob
This is a scum lynch. 96%.
This last page is just making me despair for this game. I miss yabbaguy. He always seemed to know how to beat something productive out of these brick walls.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Not entirely surprised by the revelation of Weatherman's identity. My top pick was SerialClergyman returning to the site but not wanting anyone to know for some reason (mostly because I saw his name in the Users Online list a few weeks ago), but Ojanen was one of the other names floating around in my head.
Now, back to the game. I've been really, really directionless today, and I need to do something about it. SpyreX and RedCoyote have both been hurling out the appeals to emotion, and I'm totally swallowing it hook, line and sinker, and I don't care. My gut says they're both town at this point.
I really want to see inHim dead. Take a look through his iso, and watch the slow deterioration of any pretense at doing things like hunting for scum, or giving any kind of crap about what wagon he is on as he realises that there are enough players in this town who don't look at a lack of explanation or consistency as a scumtell that he can get away with just about anything.
Look at his interactions with CKD. Back in the time when he was actually occasionally bothering to explain his scumreads, CKD gets lumped into the "would kill this guy" lists, but there is NOTHING ELSE*. No post that could possibly have any danger of actually causing a CKD lynch to happen. He's poised to bus if one does happen to spring up, but he's sure not going to do anything to bring that about.
*NOTHING ELSE with the exception of this gem:
"The Gorrad wagon seems to be dying, I guess I should bail. But OMG SpyreX is setting up a link between Gorrad and CKD, better encourage that one!"inHimshallibe wrote:
Looking better for Gorrad. This seems pretty town in concept, though we’ll see about the rest of Gorrad’s practices as I continue. ==SpyreX’s INCREDIBLY SEXY post on the possible bus of ckd is EXCELLENT.==Gorrad wrote:
CKD, money where your mouth is time. Point out where the firm stances and opinions are.curiouskarmadog wrote:OMG, I have been here for years...and that post was the longest I have ever read...firm stances and opinions...and lots of content...town or really ballsy scum...got to be town.
He literally posted this towards the end of D2:
and then opened D3 with a vote on SpyreX. There's 'not being overly concerned about consistency', and then there's 'jumping on whatever wagon appears without discrimination'. The above post also came very shortly after a post saying "Weatherman's solid Town". No explanation has been offered for this inconsistency. Besides, I guess, the following post where he says "Hell, I might vote for anyone but myself."People I'll lynch:
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PokerFace
His reaction to the Xtoxm/Antihero claiming fiasco is pretty horrible too, encouraging a lynch on Xtoxm before the two of them had got all their info out.
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Antihero, where the hell is your scumhunting today. Just because you're not being wagoned any more doesn't mean you get to slack off.
Cyberbob, why did you go from
toCyberbob wrote:inHimshallibe
Ah yes. Scummy. I've gone into my reasons for this opinion previously but I do want to reiterate just how suspicious his behaviour was yesterday concerning the xtoxm/Antihero drama. I'd say there's a definite possible connection to RC with the latter's numerous badly justified votes for him throughout the course of the game. Leaning towards a RC/inHim pairing at the very least right now.
when people started voting for inHim? Is it because you are scum with him?Cyberbob wrote:inhim is dumb too bad rc is voting him :\
DGB, this inHim wagon has sweet delicious candy.
Dutch one, what Ojanen said. You clearly do not have the time for this game right now. There's no shame in admitting that.
KMD, let's just lynch inHim.
Korlash, have you even mentioned inHim once in this entire game?
PokerFace, I'm still waiting for my delivery, don't think I've forgotten. Also, please don't base your vote today on guesswork about what Xtoxm did last night.
SpyreX,
what does this even meanSpyreX wrote:I'm still leaning conjoined alignments on inHim and nocase after the start of D1
Weatherman,
is inHim any less of a non-attention-getter than korlash or cyberbob? At the time you made this post I mean, obviously I am giving him heaping bowls of attention now.Weatherman wrote: spyrex, pokerface and non-attention-getters korlash/cyberbob is the list i wanted to look thoroughly. tomorrow. sdhf,hgs-
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inHim, Korlash, KMD. Maybe PokerFace too.yabbaguy wrote:Lovely.
Meanwhile, we're all being a grand bunch of egotists again. Who are we willing to lynch?
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Between those that actually have votes right now, I'd rather lynch Cyberbob than Spy or RC at this point.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Wouldn't have to equate to inHim running the team if he wasn't the only one nocase had pegged:Korlash wrote:And nocase death, I personally like WIFOM, it doesn't get the credit it deserves sometimes... But I think that's putting a lot on Inhim running the scum team which I think we all agree is at least 3 people...
We know there's at least one non-inHim scum here, for starters.nocase wrote:Cyberbob
SpyreX
curiouskarmadog
Chevre
inHimshallibe
Korlash
I don't know why I'm still arguing the case when an inHim lynch is inevitable at this point, but someone actually hammering instead of waiting for the deadline to kill him would be nice.
Also did anyone else notice that Antihero hasn't posted in like 10 days? What's goin' on there?
Mod: Are we getting an Antihero replacement?Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Um, yeah.
Why does one of redcoyote or dgb have to be scum?
Even assuming there is any sense in that statement, why are you voting for redcoyote alongside dgb and spyrex when you have done nothing but call for both of their lynches for the entire game?Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I think DGB was wrong. I mean, pretty much everybody agreed that yabbaguy was obvtown, so it's not like there was a lack of motive for scum to kill him. But if you do want to look at who yabbaguy wanted dead, then, well...Kmd4390 wrote:Iam:
DGB is either:DrippingGoofball wrote:Also, yabbaguy wanted you dead, and he died for it so....
A) right
B) wrong
C) lying
The only thing that supports EITHER a dgb lynch or non-red lynch is if you think dgb is wrong or lying. I don't think she'd be dumb enough as scum to try to use a NK to frame somebody. I also respect her town game enough that if she is town, I trust the red vote.
you of all people should probably not be using this as a point against RC.yabbaguy wrote: Meanwhile, we're all being a grand bunch of egotists again. Who are we willing to lynch?
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Kmd
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Coyote
But besides that, you "respect her town game", OK, but why are you all of sudden even considering DGB's town game when you have been saying since day one that she is obvious scum? It doesn't make any sense to me how you can say you're pretty sure DGB is scum, but we should lynch who she wants to lynch because she's good when she's town. There is some seriously heavy cognitive dissonance going on there that I just can't get my head around.
What was forced about it?Korlash wrote: Ok so I followed up on my suspicions and don't see reason not to press it.
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He calls Chev obv town day one without any sort of reasoning I could find. he figures that out day two and pushes what amounts to a forced case on her.
I don't even understand what you're accusing me of here. After CKD was already dead I... didn't try to get him lynched?Korlash wrote:He makes a couple mentions to CKD during this push, but when CKD flips scum he sweeps it under the rug without any effort at all.
I have explained repeatedly why Antihero would obviously not have claimed when he did if he was scum.Korlash wrote:He pushes Anti for the first day and a half but when he claims he gets on my case for "pot shots"? I don't get it, Anti was your bread and butter up until the claim, yet you try and divert my attention away from him instead of allowing me to prob his claim a little. Bullshit man...
Also, the point of my 'pot shots' post was not that you should stop pressing Antihero, it was that if you actually thought he was scum, you should probably commit to that with a vote instead of leaving it lounging on someone you didn't seem to actually care about one way or the other at the time. Evidently I was wrong about how strongly you felt on your SpyreX vote.
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OH COME ONKmd4390 wrote:Just realized that DGB/Cyber/Spy make up the RedCoyote wagon. I won't be getting back on it.
lol nice try.Cyberbob wrote: she wouldnt take kmds lynch imho tho or korlahs
I think RC is probably right and we should massclaim today. I should probably respond more to Korlash, but eh.
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He's not just saying "DGB won't lynch Korlash or KMD". He's saying "DGB will lynch anyone but Korlash or KMD".Korlash wrote:There isn't a man, woman, or cyborg child in this game that wouldn't make a statement like "DGB wouldn't lynch Korlash"... how the hell is saying that anything close to an implication? I don't get why she wouldn't want to lynch KMD, so there might be something there. but trying to say he's 'implying' some sort of scum trio without backing it up is just you making something bigger then it is. Talk about mud slinging...
He is trying to undermine DGB's credibility, but he's not willing to actually come out and accuse her of being scum, just make underhanded digs at her.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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