In post 445, Thor665 wrote:
Could you expand on your current read of Wolf? I feel like you were easing off the townread somewhat already. Maybe you could quote me some of the good scumhunting he did? Because he has, by far, the most opportunistic vote record of anyone in this game - and that's saying something with how the votes were flying Day 1.
Okay, after reading through again I've changed Gen back to a null read. Thanks for challenging my thinking, Thor, I do have a habit of getting anchored, which is dangerous here...
The post that caused me to first think he was town is a bit odd to explain because it was based on his reaction to something weird my predecessor's posted:
After confirmations were done, Effortless voted Saldyn and Gen_wolf voted Effortless.
Travis made his first post saying (?!?):
In post 21, TravisB wrote:vote:saldyn
I see early signs of collusion with saldyn and Gen_Wolf. With little explanation, Gen_Wolf came to the protection of saldyn from Effortless' vote. I'm curious to see how these two act in the future. For now, my vote is for saldyn. I urge everyone to join me in this effort. If saldyn is guilty, I propose to hang Gen_Wolf next, in that he is also a mafia member. If saldyn is innocent, I propose we do not hang Gen_Wolf in the next day phase.
When I was going through my first read and taking notes, I started to comment on this and realized it was from my own role. All I can guess is that Travis was trying to dive right in and get things moving. Though it's crazy that he already wanted to chain lynch Saldyn-Genwolf together if Saldyn flipped scum. I would have called Travis out on this post if I had been playing with him, so Genwolf gained town points for doing so and for keeping his vote on him waiting for an answer.
When I did my first read for him he also gained points because he solicited opinions from people who had been quiet: Saldyn (#113), Daybid (#207), Travis (see #206 where he says now that Travis is contributing he will reserve judgment and see how he plays game out) ... generating discussion is pro-town. Especially as he wasn't pushing a specific agenda.
Also, although he started voicing suspicions on Thomith as early as August 6 he cautioned not just looking at Thomith and had been suspicious of effortless for thinking Thomith potential scum:
In post 324, Gen_Wolf wrote:
Lizk, i'm not to sure on, I get the impression Thomith is dragging you into some petty battle about contradictions and all that... So i think if you focus on other people and re read what others had to say you could give some reads on them rather than focusing all your time on Thomith for now
@Effortless: Seems like your trying to get a little bit of a bandwagon going on Thomith... a little scummy???
I had a professor in school who, when someone had a strong view on something, would force him to argue the opposite side. Good mental practice. So doing that here:
* Genwold does vote/cast suspicion on a lot of people.
- Although he had his vote on Travis, he started accusing Thomith on August 6.
In post 93, Gen_Wolf wrote:
As for Thomith, i've been watching you closely since the beginning! You've been very active but your very quick to accuse people for the smallest things, your also very quick to change votes and jump from one person to the next! You've also been asking all the questions and attacking everyone which is very scum like i feel...
- Although he never mentions any suspicion of Hazard (Thor), he votes Hazard (Thor) on August 10 and puts him at L-1 "to get the game going" and switches back to Travis when questioned on placing someone at L-1
[*Though I don't think this is a scumtell in this case]
- Votes Daybid Aug. 14, next day unvotes saying though Daybid was "very suspicious" but now thinks he's town. Says he suspicious of effortless and questions why effortless thinks Thomith isn't town.
- On August 18 he says (see above) that effortless is scummy for trying to start a bandwagon on Thomith and says Lizk should focus on other people, but the next day August 19, he votes Thomith putting Thomith at L-1 saying time was running out. [#349]
That was the end of his contribution through Day 1.
* He did make a point to go out of his way to say Effortless wasn't defending him ... why? Possible scumslip?
In post 142, Gen_Wolf wrote:Haylen wrote:
Gen wrote:I know you are all going to think im defending him because he defended me, as was pointed out earlier by someone
Why was this necessary to state? Guilty conscience?
Necessary because if I hadn't stated it someone would of been like "Effortless defending Wolf, Wolf defending effortless... I think scum" where as i stated it because I don't mind answering questions about it, so rather than beat around the bush, just be honest and to the point...
However, Effortless wasn't protecting me, he was just stating his opinion which someone thought it was him defending me
For me, the above doesn't make him scum per se, even if not great scumhunting yet.
Does this line up with your view, Thor?