NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Chevre]

Zdenek Re: 1670 - Isn't that a Catch-22? How could he have responded to you in a way that wouldn't seem scummy?

[Zdenek]

A townie response could have been anything along the lines of: I am going to evaluate the slot using whatever information I have, and if I decide that someone else is a better lynch, of course I'll move my vote.

[Bulbazak]

We *know* that there are 3 scum from the Role PMs in the first post.

Oh. I was using the standard 1:3 ratio.

[inHimshallibe]

A townie response could have been anything along the lines of: I am going to evaluate the slot using whatever information I have, and if I decide that someone else is a better lynch, of course I'll move my vote.

Ah yes, that's very much like what you've said here:

I think ABR is scum. Do I think he could have been scum deciding to lurk - of course.

[inHimshallibe]

Zdenek Re: 1670 - Isn't that a Catch-22? How could he have responded to you in a way that wouldn't seem scummy?

When you think you've found scum, pride tends to get in the way.

I don't think Zdenek is necessarily scummy for pushing me here, though he's certainly wrong.

[Chevre]

That's how I feel too.

Zdenek: Your "ideal" response isn't really anything more than what inHim said. He is using what he knows to evaluate the slot. ABR is an integral part of that slot, just as emogirl and Tony PF are facets of the slot now held by Nero Cain. I'm not really suspicious of Nero Cain, but the things the replaced players have done still hold weight and I would vote Nero Cain for those things.

However,

Vote: kabooooom

. I've mentioned my evidence before, and it's most strongly on that self-vote, but I also recall the pregame interaction between emogirl/Garmr/kabooooom. I feel like this theory is near the point of conspiracy since none of them are dead, but there was a giddiness to that early play, it seems like the scumteam by some chance were the first few players to confirm and thus their groupedness led to those interactions? Like I said, pretty farfetched, and useless if one of them flips town, but I have suspicions on all three and it just feels right.

Finally, if anyone is voting ABR over kabooooom simply because it is lurker slot, note this: ABR has asked for replacement (though with the increasing length of the game replace-ins aren't occurring as frequently). Meanwhile, kabooooom has not despite strings of V/LA with no contribution and even acknowledging his own inability to keep up. I understand that you may have true suspicion on ABR behind your vote, but if it's simply a vote to thin the lurker population in this game, there are better options than someone who is in the queue of replacement.

[emeraldemon]

Aegor, why do you want to lynch ABR?

[Thor665]

Oh, I forgot to mention it before. Shroomish towntold big in that post. Scum will have to NK him.

I didn't see a towntell. I saw a contradictory stance and opportunistic behavior.

Getting the number of scum oh so very wrong.

I actually agree with this.

More neutral on Zed's vote though. I wanted InHim yesterday, and he's bad, yes, but I don't think he's a good option today.
Kaboom vote move is interesting.
Would still like ABR lynched first though.

[Aegor]

Aegor, why do you want to lynch ABR?

Because there is irrational resistance to his lynch without a strong defense.

[Bulbazak]

Aegor, why do you want to lynch ABR?

Because there is irrational resistance to his lynch without a strong defense.

*Looks at the opening of d2*
*Looks at current state of the wagon*
*Looks at Aegor's post again*

[Chevre]

In addition to Bulbazak's reaction, my biggest hesitance with ABR is that yessiree NK is like a giant glowing neon sign saying "ABR IS SCUM YOU SHOULD LYNCH HIM!!!!"

[KoreanBBQ]

This isn't my main account but I can't sign into Nero right now....anways I think I found something

[KoreanBBQ]

We *know* that there are 3 scum from the Role PMs in the first post.

Oh. I was using the standard 1:3 ratio.

I do not like ZD's post here like at all 'cause this is the EXACT same silliness we had from Slan on d1. Could ZD be scum shadowing confirmed town? Maybe.

Its Bulb's post that makes me want Bulb blood. Here he says that he was following the 1:3 ratio and yet...

. I, for example, thought mountainous games were games where

town outnumbered scum by a larger amount than the typical 1:3 ratio

.

^^^^^^
this has me worrying about Bulb 'cause I think its fairly common knowledge that mountainous=no power but for someone that HAS played in a mountainous game this seems fairly obtuse.

yet he did not think that earlier.

vote:Bulb

[Zdenek]

You're point about me is silly. I'm not "shadowing confirmed town." I am arguing that HighShroomish is probably town for getting the setup wrong. This has no bearing on my own alignment. If that's what you mean by shadowing confirmed town, then I'd love for you to tell me what my scum motivation is.

I'll let Bulba respond to your point on him.

[Bulbazak]

We *know* that there are 3 scum from the Role PMs in the first post.

Oh. I was using the standard 1:3 ratio.

I do not like ZD's post here like at all 'cause this is the EXACT same silliness we had from Slan on d1. Could ZD be scum shadowing confirmed town? Maybe.

Its Bulb's post that makes me want Bulb blood. Here he says that he was following the 1:3 ratio and yet...

. I, for example, thought mountainous games were games where

town outnumbered scum by a larger amount than the typical 1:3 ratio

.

^^^^^^
this has me worrying about Bulb 'cause I think its fairly common knowledge that mountainous=no power but for someone that HAS played in a mountainous game this seems fairly obtuse.

yet he did not think that earlier.

vote:Bulb

Except the term "mountainous" was never used in the advertising of this game. This game was advertised as "all vanilla". If you remember, Voided only advertised his game as "nightless mountainous", and he also talked about how badly the scum were outnumbered, which was why I wanted to play (I really wanted to draw scum that game.). At no point was the exact definition of mountainous explained, and I correlated the word with Voided's explanation of the scumteam being radically outnumbered. It wasn't until d1 of this game that the term was explained to mean "all vanilla", and of course, I expressed my confusion over the term. At no point in this game was I assuming anything other than a 1:3 ratio.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.4

Albert B. Rampage (5) - Thor665, Sotty7, inHimshallibe, Aegor, HighShroomish
kabooooom (3) - Albert B. Rampage, Rainbowdash, Chevre
HighShroomish (1) - Bulbazak
Aegor (1) - emeraldemon
inHimshallibe (1) - Zdenek
Bulbazak (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (3) - kabooooom, Garmr, Matias


With fifteen players alive, it takes eight votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Tuesday, 11th March 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-03-11 20:00:00)).

Note:

Still looking for replacements for Garmr and Albert B. Rampage.
Also seeking a replacement for Matias who hasn't picked up his prod.
Nero Cain is v/la till Friday.

[Aegor]

ABR must die gogogogo

[Rainbowdash]

Aegor, why do you want to lynch ABR?

Because there is irrational resistance to his lynch without a strong defense.

Yeah there are a couple of things very wrong with that statement.

Earlier you said you wanted ABR because that's where momentum was. Now its your vote that is putting him as the lead vote getter instead of kab. So why ABR over kab?

[Aegor]

Yeah there are a couple of things very wrong with that statement.

Earlier you said you wanted ABR because that's where momentum was. Now its your vote that is putting him as the lead vote getter instead of kab. So why ABR over kab?

Because there is irrational resistance to his lynch without a strong defense.

[Rainbowdash]

Yeah there are a couple of things very wrong with that statement.

Earlier you said you wanted ABR because that's where momentum was. Now its your vote that is putting him as the lead vote getter instead of kab. So why ABR over kab?

Because there is irrational resistance to his lynch without a strong defense.

What irrational resistance? You mean the entire game saying that at worst he is a good compromise lynch?

[Aegor]

While not presenting alternatives that are not compromise lynches themselves? Yes. Lynch ABR, then lynch kab tomorrow. I think there are very good odds that at least one of them is scum.

[Rainbowdash]

While not presenting alternatives that are not compromise lynches themselves? Yes. Lynch ABR, then lynch kab tomorrow. I think there are very good odds that at least one of them is scum.

What are you even talking about?

None of the other lynches are compromise lynches. The closest you can call is kab and that's because its in part utility due to him INTENTIONALLY avoiding playing at this point. He still is a really good bet for scum because the little bit he isn't just prod dodging is scummy. ABR is basically the definition of a compromise lynch since its most of the game going "oh yeah that's fine".

This has changed from its original thing though - what irrational resistance? Is calling others scum suddenly an irrational resistance? If you are going to apply this logic to ABR wagon cant you apply some similar logic to kab wagon?

[Aegor]

The ABR wagon has preceded the kab wagon.

I still do not know why people are not willing to lynch ABR. Everyone is saying it is a compromise but Bulba is the only player who has actually presented a strong case against another player who is presumably his first choice for scum.

[Huntress]

DisCode replaces Garmr. Welcome!

[HighShroomish]

Rainbow, did you mean to basically just repost bulba's 1684?