In post 420, Zdenek wrote:What makes you think, that I think that it is some sort of game-changer? I don't think that, by the way, it's just strange that's the impression that you have.
Probably the fact you immediately dropped your pursuit after a VT claim.
Right. To me a normal conversation looks like what we are doing now. When there's just a back and forth between two people over a super short period of time? It stands out.
In post 421, Zdenek wrote:This is probably the first time I've seen someone suggest that interactions taking place over a longer period of time seem more legitimate.
It's a theory. Again, because it stands out. I'm trying to justify why my "gut" reaction to reading that exchange was "this looks forced" and this is just one of the variables feeding it.
You dropping the focus off Chemist entirely is another. I don't know if it's because you are scum buddies and you feel like you got the Town to read you both as Town as a result of your gambit or if YOU are scum and just don't want to pursue a VT since you'd rather nail a PR. I also wouldn't expect you - as Town - to just assume Chemist is Town because he claimed VT as if that isn't the most common fake scum claim ever. I don't really like any of these scenarios and I don't understand the game play here.
What I find equally interesting is the number of people that all of a sudden were like "welp - I guess Zdenek and Chemist are Town now" when there is ZERO precident/reason for that change of heart ["game changer"]. In case you didn't notice, I've been asking for reasons why and have yet to see anything remotely persuasive.
In post 422, Mister Rogers wrote:Ok. This is kind of amazing because both you and Pere are playing at me the same way. It is kind of confusing actually.
The thing is, I'm not playing you. I'm playing Pere. Why you are in the middle is the mystery. The fact he isn't posting bothers me only in the sense that I'm not getting the information I need from him [and maybe not using my vote in a more productive way given new evidence] but he isn't posting anywhere so...?
I was going to requote and prove you wrong. But okay, I see what you were saying in 276. You were saying you agreed "
that scum don't necessarily have daytalk." I was thinking you and talah were saying Pere and ThAd *DID* have day talk. That's why it stood out to me.
On the plus side, I found myself shaking my head in agreement a lot to your Rogers read.
In post 425, Mister Rogers wrote:The point is DID THIS FAKE VIG SHOT WORK. Specifically this case, not across the board generalizations
Are you being serious right now? The point is
you can't determine if this fake vig shot worked without taking personal and/or site meta into account!
WTF, dude. Meta is all about "in general THIS is what I would expect." On this site, scum TYPICALLY don't just admit they are scum after being fake vigged, fake hammered, or REAL hammered. I asked you to show me where they have in one of the first two scenarios since
you HAVE TO BELIEVE scum would claim scum
if you are going to call a VT claim Town. OR I ask you to call upon your experience here on this site and to consider ALL of the lynches you have been party to or witnessed and ballpark estimate the number of times even REAL hammered scum has claimed scum after the hammer [again - outside of end game] because MY experience is that it's probably on the order of 1-2%. This is why fake vigs are A. lame B. look contrived and C. TELL US NOTHING ABOUT EITHER PLAYER'S ALIGNMENT. Pretending it does is dumb or fake.
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