NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Zdenek]

I'm pretty indifferent to lynching bjc. For me it would be a policy lynch.

[Zdenek]

Maybe, but my new reasons - your response to my vote - are bodacious.

Good luck with that. Whenever you feel like substantiating anything you say feel free to use that funky squiggle mark above the foreword slash on your keyboard - after you press the shift key, of course.

Still not talking about your Talah read I see.
I'm assuming that's cause it's bullshit.

[SnowStorm]

I had a busy week and I'm tired, but I just want to let you know that I'm here now. I just need to re-read everything and then I'll be fully caught up. I'll try to post something today, but if I don't, don't worry, I'll do it tomorrow and over the weekend.

[projectmatt]

Zdenek do you have the sparknotes version of why I, personally, should vote Talah?

[Zdenek]

Zdenek do you have the sparknotes version of why I, personally, should vote Talah?

I actually think you should vote Pisskop.

[projectmatt]

Oh, that shows how great I am at reading comprehension.

[Zdenek]

Basically it's cause his response to me attacking him was very scummy. It's 528.

[Damon_Gant]

In response to pisskop

List of people I consider to be lurkers:
SnowStorm, aptil, Rach, bjc, Yates, Nero, DV and Luca.

I would have said matt before his spurt of activity today. Mastin I wouldn't call a lurker as she is on VLA.

[PeregrineV]

@Matt: Yes you are wrong on your assertion as to why I am voting BJC. It is because he is deliberately lurking (as opposed to Aptil who is simply lurking) and because of the bizarre attention that he got for his simple "I'm scum" post.

I think moar people should be voting him.

1. How do you make the distinction between "intentionally" lurking and "simply" lurking? Those two seem like they are exactly the same thing. Bjc is just honest about his own apathy.

2. The second reason you listed is, to me, a very good reason why you should not be voting him and instead be focusing on the people who bizarrely attacked him.

So he shouldn't be lynched for failing to scumhunt?

[Mister Rogers]

He is defiant and yes honest about that defiance and it actually bothers me personally.

Well on 2, I have the opportunity to merge the two because your assertion that it makes him town is WIFOM and unfortunately the initial town read that I had on him was based on an intelligent & witty player that was going to drop the bomb on this thread with with his effort. Because he failed to do that, I can see that my town read was in fact, wrong.

I would use an ad hom pejorative (having the initials JA) at this point but site meta has changed and won't allow me to do it.

I think we have time and the momentum to make this happen.

[Mister Rogers]

I had a busy week and I'm tired, but I just want to let you know that I'm here now. I just need to re-read everything and then I'll be fully caught up. I'll try to post something today, but if I don't, don't worry, I'll do it tomorrow and over the weekend.

Welcome back! We need you.

[Mister Rogers]

In response to pisskop

List of people I consider to be lurkers:
SnowStorm, aptil, Rach, bjc,

Yates

,

Nero

, DV and Luca.

I would have said matt before his spurt of activity today. Mastin I wouldn't call a lurker as she is on VLA.

Very interesting. I was just thinking about the bolded.

The italicized is heavily disappointing me.

[pisskop]

^^Rach, Yates, Nero, Luca.^^

Id be for exploring them.

[Mister Rogers]

^^Rach, Yates, Nero, Luca.^^

Id be for exploring them.

The only one from that list I could go for is Luca. I would go for Rach but everyone has her as town so don't think that would happen...

[projectmatt]

@Matt: Yes you are wrong on your assertion as to why I am voting BJC. It is because he is deliberately lurking (as opposed to Aptil who is simply lurking) and because of the bizarre attention that he got for his simple "I'm scum" post.

I think moar people should be voting him.

1. How do you make the distinction between "intentionally" lurking and "simply" lurking? Those two seem like they are exactly the same thing. Bjc is just honest about his own apathy.

2. The second reason you listed is, to me, a very good reason why you should not be voting him and instead be focusing on the people who bizarrely attacked him.

So he shouldn't be lynched for failing to scumhunt?

Did you read my post where I explained why I townread him or did you just make that comment in an attempt to misrep it?

[Mister Rogers]

Yates : 7 posts : Has only 7 posts but all of them have content . Reads town to me .

The irony.

Holy living crap. How did I miss this post MY GOSH. Aptil read update incoming.

[Damon_Gant]

^^Rach, Yates, Nero, Luca.^^

Id be for exploring them.

But not aptil?

[Mister Rogers]

Ok on Aptil it can only be seen as the first post in a series of posts, not all players have been looked at. I do see sincerity but will withhold judgement on content until the rest of the posts materialize.

Because of this post, he drops the bottom of any "lurker compromise" tier for me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Its not much, but I have nero as a townlean for his reaction to my post.

[pisskop]

But not aptil?

I'd give him time to finish his promised reads from 595. So far, just some general recap on fellow lurkers.
I don't think post 36 was as bad as some held it. It was a skimread

[Luca Blight]

I have been terribly busy recently which is the reason for my lack of posting, I have a day off tomorrow so will try and catch up then. It wouldn't feel right to post reads without having given the thread my full attention.

[Mister Rogers]

Wha~? Why did you vote Gant but question mastin for similar sentiment?

Its not DG (the player) that matters as much (in this inquiry) and pardon me once again but this is an outstanding query that has not been answered.
Can you elaborate on this?

Sorry for missing this post. Meh. The truth is, the horse is dead. Mastin needs to catch up to a new game. My concern was not with his vote for DG but for his rapid backpedal vote in the face of Talah suspicion that happened to be on DG.

mastin2 -- scum very bad entry reads, bad vote switch backpedal. So sad r/l tho.

And this, please.

Dang I guess you were right. I forgot about This Angle. I do need to see the answer with specifics but even more important now is to see Mastin's catchup but again, the emphasis was on Mastin's read and the specifics of that read more than anything directly related to DG.

478 Can you use his ingame content to describe this nullscum read? Like post analysis.

Any chance we can cut some kind of deal on this? I mean, in general his early posts sound like so much posturing and there a good number of logical inconsistencies; I mean truthfully its a real pain to pull those apart but I mean ya I could do it but it would be kind of stupid because its more of a posting style issue where he just pings scum easy. However, I now have a different angle which is past overdue, below. Your push helped me with that.

I need to look at those recent posts.

Any luck with this?

Yes. His ISO shows he has not delivered on his promise of properly following along. Listing lurkers for you in nice but being rusty cannot account for his claim of "eyeballing everyone" and yet coming up empty on active game reads. Your push allowed me to see that he had slipped through that grey area that I allowed him, into the black of town posturing & excuse making. Being rusty can no longer explain his ISO to me but trying to slip under the radar with as little trackable information offered as possible, can.

He can join Anx in the scum pile.

[Plessiez]

It's day 1. Deadline for the day is March 28th, 21:59 UTC. That's (expired on 2014-03-28 17:59:48).

Vote Count 1.11

pisskop [3 votes] (bjc, Luca Blight, Zdenek)
Luca Blight [3 votes] (Damon_Gant, 4nxi3ty, talah)
bjc [3 votes] (Peregrine V, Yates, Mister Rogers)
aptil [2 votes] (projectmatt, DeasVail)
Damon_Gant [2 votes] (SnowStorm, mastin2)
4nxi3ty [1 vote] (ThAdmiral)
talah [1 votes] (AngryPidgeon)
Yates [1 vote] (Nero Cain)
mastin2 [1 vote] (BipolarChemist)
Nero Cain [1 vote] (RachMarie)
Mister Rogers [1 vote] (pisskop)

1 player is not voting

: {aptil}

With

20

players alive it takes

11

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

Activity

Nobody has recently been prodded.
BipolarChemist is V/LA until March 23rd.
mastin2 is V/LA until March 31st.

[Mister Rogers]

Re: Thad: "not having strong stances is scummy": very one sided approach. Scum project confidence, and there are times when town are unsure of themselves. One of the things I look for in scum is being confident when there is no reason to be - which is why Mister Roger's aggressive right out of the gate bugged me, yet I think that comes from his personality and eagerness at playing mafia again and his post count certainly fits in with that.

Re: "We can't lynch lurkers, poor info": silly logic, I used to think this too >.< As long as discussion is happening and things are changing, there will be info gained. First priority should be lynching scum wether active or lurking. And there is some merit to figuring out lurkers early on.
(even if you disagree, don't set the tone by bringing up 'lurkers make poor lynches' at least let scum think they'll get in trouble for lurking)

Talah/Mastin Meta Dispute: instinct: when it comes to meta, ime, there's usually at least one scum involved. Either from the two fighting over meta or the person that steps in and defends/attacks one of the others - haven't parsed through this, thought it should be noted anyway.

Had Zdenek and BipolarChemist as town before the fakevig. I get that neither should be autocleared, but I have seen nothing scummy from them since.


I think

aptil

(need to think on aptil latest posts) and luca both make good lurker lynches.
Rach feels relaxed for a lurker.
post 492 and 499 from Nero look like an attempt to get a reaction, which is decent.
bjc has antagonistic playstyle regardless of alignment, I think he will be easier to figure out later on, not interested in that lynch - even policy, there should be times when he cooperates.

This is a high quality post, excellent game theory & I like the tone. The problem is it is simply commentary with heavy emphasis on lurkers. Talk about a reactionary game, man you are laying low -- way to low for any sort of town read at this stage of the game.

[pisskop]

Backhanded compliments aye.

unvote

I hate knowing zero of the high content posters. :/