decided to stay up and talk a little about the Cho-TSO thing. Will post thoughts about other players tomorrow (and decide who to vote), but want to see how those two respond to this.
In post 27, Cho wrote:I am 100% confident that Cho, Elyse, and mnemonicdevice are Town for their votes. Accordingly, they are now Town Day 1 Unlynchables.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MTD
This post comes so close to being something I approve of, yet somehow falls so short.
You state here that you were deliberately exaggerating your reads on these players:
In post 181, Cho wrote:3)
I'm "backing off" because I made an RVS statement meant to come off as a strong read, even though I knew myself that it wasn't concrete at all. I don't particularly like this point either because I'm both going to be called Scum for using the buzzword, and called Scum for admitting it was a buzzword.
You must have known this whole series of early posts would attract attention. So why did you want that attention? What were you hoping to achieve by making exaggerated statements like this?
In post 32, Cho wrote:As a result, Cho, Elyse, and mnemonicdevice are exempt from much of my suspicion for today, provided that they don't royally fuck up, of course!
What are your current reads on Elyse and mnemonicdevice? (I won't bother asking for your current read on Cho.
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In post 40, Cho wrote:Lastly, why should we assume that this game is or isn't multiball? Regardless, you'll never be conftown, because you're being quite mean right now.
Cho, please explain this comment.
I can't find any context for it, and when asked about it earlier, you never responded.
In post 44, Cho wrote:Riptide
, yes, of course! Their votes and posts simply looked so comfortable. It certainly doesn't look like scum forcing themselves to play along with town's "true RVS" game, as may happen when scum are trying to choose whether to place their first vote on a teammate or not!
Of course, this isn't a concrete towntell, as I've already explained. But I like their votes, and so far I like Elyse's style!
Was this serious?
If you're scum, this looks like you're deliberately creating WIFOMy interactions with Elyse and mnemonicdevice in case your over-the-top posts get you lynched. I don't understand why you, if town, would be doing this, but feel free to explain it if you can.
In post 47, Cho wrote:But while I'm not allowing myself to completely exclude those players, Elyse in particular, from potentially being scum, I
am
allowing myself the small luxury of feeling like I can trust them for the time being. (Meaning, I'm not going to bother myself in trying to envision scenarios where they could be scum, at least for Day 1.)
Why not? As an approach to the game of mafia, what do you gain by ignoring certain players during Day 1? (This is a serious question.) It's ironic because the more you say you're ignoring those players the more I want to hear you give detailed, concrete thoughts about them.
In post 53, Cho wrote:MTD:
I tend to see a vote without explanation in RVS as a good thing, shockingly enough, as I also think scum are more likely to overanalyze every early move they make. I know that in my own early non-replacement scum games, I deliberated over where I would place my RVS vote, what kind of joke I would attempt to use to explain it, and so on. Seeing a naked vote is refreshing. I won't deny that the repeated questioning on this point and player in particular is making me less confident on my stance there, but that was what I saw at the time.
I have trouble believing you think naked votes are a town tell.
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In post 49, T S O wrote: In post 40, Cho wrote:Lastly, why should we assume that this game is or isn't multiball?
Assume non-multiball until proven multiball is my mantra regarding this.
Your top scum suspect suddenly demands to know why you think the game is or isn't multiball, when neither you nor anyone else has mentioned multiball previously.
You don't call them on this at all, and instead act as though you
did
in fact say something about multiball which needed clarified.
Please explain the thought process behind that for me.
In post 232, T S O wrote:Pretty sure confirmation bias is something to do reading your scum role PM and thus knowing others are Town.
I could be wrong here.
This makes no sense. You've been calling Cho scum all game. You should not have read
"certain people are determined to use every new post you make as a way to further their confirmation bias"
and assumed the accusation was that you know she's town. If you did interpret it that way, you should have responded by asking how she could possibly get that idea -
not
by saying "so you think I'm scum then??"
On the other hand, if you
are
scum and
do
secretly know Cho is town, and are tunneling her as a strategy and not reading her actual defenses in detail, it's not surprising that you misunderstood.