Newbie 1495 (DAY 4) - The One where Everyone got Murdered

[Malakittens]

I claimed vT in Day1. Xayz claimed it last day phrase because his hand was forced.

Also this does not feel like town Xayz.

[Moratorium]

Tried reading the last few pages and I think BBT needs to stop tunneling because its getting old and if he's actually town and Keeos this up its gonna cost the game.

He's scum. You said so yourself. Are you coaching?

[Moratorium]

Haha, it actually says in the PM that I can't target myself either. Well that's pretty annoying.

BBT, why did you lie about your role PM? Tell me why you said this. You were directly responding to Xayzeck at the time.

Bbt is super conf now

So mala/bbt!

Mainly because you can't protect yourself

Haha, it actually says in the PM that I can't target myself either. Well that's pretty annoying.

I guess I just lost this game for town.

You're not just thinking in hypotheticals, Xala points out that you fucked up, you immediately attempt to handwave it by stating

"it actually says in the PM"

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I mean, holy christ guys, this is fucking clear. If it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, BBT is a duck.

[Moratorium]

There was a game, a long time ago, Mini 694, where I won the game for town based solely on scum vocabulary and flip titles. It was completely damning, there was no escape, I'd even found (a few posts later in that game) a list the dude had posted in Mafia Discussion which was basically soft-complaining about his own scumpartner in an ongoing game, it all just fell neatly into place and I remember it being hilarious at the time.

Putting aside that he's my CC, from a completely objective viewpoint, I feel stronger about BBT's play showing him to be scum than I did about the one above. There. Is. No. Excuse. Here.

[Malakittens]

Tried reading the last few pages and I think BBT needs to stop tunneling because its getting old and

if

he's actually town and Keeos this up its gonna cost the game.

He's scum. You said so yourself. Are you coaching?

You see the bolded. Yeah, you see it. If he's town his perspective is skewed. I'm stating it.

Also I have quotes from Xayz and when he flips scum he's setting a pretty nice mislynch up on me in a lylo situation if he's not the RB'r.

[Malakittens]

if he's the RB'er, not the rb'r.

[Malakittens]

im baffled how you ruled out mala to be scum with me

im not saying its a bad move tho

This is the quote that if Xayz flips scum he's setting me up for a mislynch. Regardless of his possible goon/rb'r status.

Soooo.... I'm clear now, yes?

no shit sherlock

Gut doesn't like this. Feels like he 'instantly' believes the claim.

I'd rather lynch Mora as it's a conf. scum for me, but Regfan has suggested he is more willing to lynch outside of the doctor claims so that leaves me with you.

But if he's confscum, why are you not pushing for him as well? Just because our conftown is looking to lynch between Mala and myself doesn't mean you stop generating content with your confscum.

Thsi is the only thing that seems different from interactions with a buddy (if Mora is the real doc) that's different from the last scum game of his where he was conf scum in LyLo.*

*Obv the situation is a bit different because it was a clear inno (me), Un'CC cop (Slimer), a VT and two scum (goon/Rb'r). We just didn't know which out of the three was the VT, but between Slimer and I bouncing things off of each other while watching interactions; it instantly made sense with Xay-scum-rb'r. And then I was brought to a 3 player lylo and got the last scum.

And I still don't think lynching in the VT claims is the way to go. It's lylo.

I don't think this has anything to do with anything? Rather, lynching in the VTs makes more sense.

I don't like this because it gives him a 50/50 shot at being lynched. I'm not sure why 'town' would raise their hand at half a shot at being lynched in a lylo situation.

Also, I don't like how he's soft-defending BBT, but his previously quote feels like he believes Mora's claim.

[Moratorium]

You see the bolded. Yeah, you see it. If he's town his perspective is skewed. I'm stating it.

I get it, but...

Gut doesn't like this. Feels like he 'instantly' believes the claim.

Why are you talking about gut regarding your CC?

[Malakittens]

?

[Moratorium]

You have no reason to express a gut opinion about the one person who's alignment should be concrete for you.

[Malakittens]

Doesn't matter, I'm trying to express why I don't like Xayz and why his posts come off as scum to me and if I pointed out which post gut doesn't like it.

Either way, I'm fucking trying.

Ugh, fuck everything right now. (not mafia related. I'm just in this overall horrible mood.)

[Moratorium]

Sure it matters. Why would you be trying to express your uncertainty about the one guy you know for a fact what his alignment is?

Did you forget to stop having to pretend to be town?

[Malakittens]

I'm not 'pretending' as I AM town.

I'm not 'uncertain' that he's scum. I know he's scum. Please stop misrepping the fuck out of my posts.

[Xayzeck]

I claimed vT in Day1. Xayz claimed it last day phrase because his hand was forced.

Also this does not feel like town Xayz.

have you played with town xay? I can't remember

[Xayzeck]

Gut doesn't like this. Feels like he 'instantly' believes the claim.

erm

he had no cc? and we've been expecting a doc since D2?

in case you couldn't tell, I wasn't exactly typing with the happiest of tones when mora claimed doc

[Moratorium]

I'm not 'pretending' as I AM town.

I'm not 'uncertain' that he's scum. I know he's scum. Please stop misrepping the fuck out of my posts.

I see your assertions. You say you are town.

But my question stands, why are you telling us about your intuition regarding a player that, for you, shouldn't require any?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't like this because it gives him a 50/50 shot at being lynched. I'm not sure why 'town' would raise their hand at half a shot at being lynched in a lylo situation.

Umm, why would scum give themselves a 50/50 shot at being lynched? That statement is pretty much invalid.

[Moratorium]

Just think about it for a second.

If I was lying, why would I not check to make sure what I was posting was the truth?

Because you made mistakes.

You made one mistake by assuming self-protection was a thing on this site before writing your counterclaim post.
You made another mistake by not realizing the role PM's were in the OP.
You made a third mistake by lying about what's in your role PM, which is in the OP.

Why did you lie about your role PM?

[Moratorium]

This is for you, Regfan, just to make things a bit easier.

Spoiler: All BBT Interactions with VT claimers

BBT interacting with Xayzeck:

Post #43
Post #48
Post #93
Post #108
Post #110
Post #112
Post #171
Post #189
Post #190
Post #211
Post #253
Post #420
Post #677
Post #722
Post #725
Post #729
Post #783
Post #800
Post #827
Post #829
Post #831
Post #836
Post #944
Post #1099

BBT Interacting with Malakittens

Post #79
Post #221
Post #228
Post #239
Post #240
Post #243
Post #246
Post #261
Post #264
Post #277
Post #324
Post #337
Post #354
Post #405
Post #466
Post #697
Post #749
Post #771
Post #779
Post #793
Post #795
Post #797
Post #862
Post #874
Post #990
Post #1072
Post #1074
Post #1096
Post #1184

So I did a full re-read, and I think it's BBT / Xayzeck.

1) The biggest point for me is the Day 1 VCA. BBT does a little half-hearted vote on Xayzeck in his first and second posts (#43 and #48), unvoting with the reasoning that the game is slow (?). Then when he gets on the Mala wagon, he stays on it all game, all day, other days, keeps talking about mala mala mala. There's no reason for BBT to bus his partner by D1 in post 277. BBT was second on her wagon, and stayed on through L-1 and was ready for it to complete (see #466: "I need to see this flip"). I can't reconcile a full-on bus, from the outset, on D1, without daytalk, from newbscum.

2) Xayzeck is certain it's BBT/Mala, doesn't consider me at all. #1216, #1217 and #1218, I read as the internal struggle on whether to commit to bussing his partner, or whether he can figure out a defense. The same can't be said for Mala, who post CC appears to have stopped considering me clear, which is more what I'd expect to see as town behavior.

3) BBT's #862 vote reads as forced and awkward, bad reasoning. (sidenote: BBT's #122 vote on me reads as equally "ha ha i trapped you in my supertowntrap, hey everybody look what I caught, I'm the hero!")

4) And my last point, which I'm going to preface by saying MALAKITTENS I'M SORRY I THINK YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON PLEASE DON'T HATE ME I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE STUPID I SWEAR I'M NOT EVIL but based on the one-sided all-meta-all-the-time play, I don't think Mala is a risk-taker or subscribes to tricky/clever play, even as scum. So I don't think that she would have risked trying to come up with doc reasoning on every player in the game to permit crumbing doc knowledge on D2. I think she legit always thought it was me.

[Moratorium]

This is my first game of Mafia. Ever.

This is a person who isn't going to bus D1 without a coach.

[Moratorium]

I don't like fake claiming even as scum. If I was going to fake claim anything it would be a weak PR or VT. <.<

Historical example of Mala being risk-averse.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mora - You're trying too hard.

[Malakittens]

I don't like this because it gives him a 50/50 shot at being lynched. I'm not sure why 'town' would raise their hand at half a shot at being lynched in a lylo situation.

Umm, why would scum give themselves a 50/50 shot at being lynched? That statement is pretty much invalid.

Why would town, especially in LyLo, do the same?

Scum does it because they will try and push the lynch on the other town, but town just doesn't volunteer themselves up for a lynch especially in a PoE situation.

Even then he says he wants to lynch between himself and I, but hell I don't really see him trying to make a decent case to attempt to lynch me besides using my current posts and saying that they seem fake.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't like this because it gives him a 50/50 shot at being lynched. I'm not sure why 'town' would raise their hand at half a shot at being lynched in a lylo situation.

Umm, why would scum give themselves a 50/50 shot at being lynched? That statement is pretty much invalid.

Why would town, especially in LyLo, do the same?

Scum does it because they will try and push the lynch on the other town, but town just doesn't volunteer themselves up for a lynch especially in a PoE situation.

Even then he says he wants to lynch between himself and I, but hell I don't really see him trying to make a decent case to attempt to lynch me besides using my current posts and saying that they seem fake.

That's what I was trying to say, it doesn't make much sense as either alignment therefore it's null/invalid.

[Malakittens]

It doesn't make sense more from a town perspective than a scum perspective.

Scum if they are lynched before LyLo they still have a shot because their partner can win. So it's less risky for them to throw their hand up for a lynch.

if someone is town in a lylo situation you DONT want to be lynched so why volunteer yourself up for it? It's not a town-motivated move and risky as fuck.