Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[GreyICE]

Flubber is confirmed town. Get better folks.

VOTE: flubbernugget

Can you please give more than that

I've never even played with SSK and I know the answer to that.

Reck is confirmed scum unless this is some shit LyLo gambit.

Leaning Anatole over Myk for scum.

[GreyICE]

Flubber, please don't vote here.

I'd like to take some time to look over the game, something that the scum posting above me doesn't want.

[GreyICE]

Oh goood, GreyICE is here.

How am I confirmed scum right now?

Basic mathematics. I believe Flubber is town. That's fairly obvious. I believe Myk and Anatole is not scum v. scum. SO WHO IS NUMBER THREE?

Yeah, that's the last thing I'll say to you unless I have any reason to revisit those basic propositions.

hi GI.

Hi Myk! Why did you avoid the Reck v. Farside stuff and choose Anatole?

[GreyICE]

Can anyone tell me if scum are confirmed to have daytalk?

If Reck is a non-moron right now he will pick up his vote, regardless of alignment.

[GreyICE]

Wow, the sample role PM doesn't even say.

Oman, do scum have daytalk?

[GreyICE]

Regardless of Myk's alignment too, Anatole.

But this raises an interesting question. You left your vote on Myk for 6 hours in LyLo. It is now gone. If Myk is town and you are town, then the game would be lost for you. The ONLY way you wouldn't fear that is if you were 100% confident Myk was scum. And yet you removed your vote.

And here you are, critiquing me for asking for an unvote. And not asking Reck for the same, but just saying "where is flubber"?

You're not town, are you Anatole?

[GreyICE]

I'm curious about something, Anatole:

Espressojet (7) -

Anatole Kuragin

, Flubbernugget, MafiaSSK, vezokpiraka, Belisarius, xRECKONERx, mykonian,
vezokpiraka (6) - Csareo, farside22, MafiaSSK, MattP, T S O, xRECKONERx,
MafiaSSK (5) - T S O, farside22, MattP, xRECKONERx, Csareo,
Csareo (5) - xRECKONERx, T S O,

Anatole Kuragin

, mykonian, farside22,


Based on the voting records, how would you say you're doing on your reads this game?

Clearly in a game like this no one is going to have very good voting records, but this is a honk of shit.

Also I want to lynch Reck so badly that it's hard to understand how insanely confirmed scum he is. Besides him AGREEING WITH VEZOK and then FUCKING 180ING TO THROW A VOTE ON THE TAIL END OF VEZOK'S WAGON...

Oh for fucks sake, he's confirmed scum.

[GreyICE]

Ugh vezok is town. Okay.

Oh wow. I think I'm about to sheep vezok? Those four posts are actually really gross.

THEN:

VOTE: vezokpiraka

Here first, then SSK?

HERPADERPA HAMMER

WHY WAS HE NOT LYNCHED FOR HERPADERPA HAMMER?

[GreyICE]

COME ON THAT'S SHIT I'D BARELY TOLERATE FROM A BRAND NEW PLAYER

HERPA

FUCKING

DERPA

HAMMER

[GreyICE]

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES HE SHOULD BE DEAD AND I SHOULD BE REPLACING INTO A MUCH MORE SENSIBLE GAME

LYNCH THE HERPA DERPA HAMMERS

VOTE: RECKONER

DO NOT TOLERATE THIS SHIT

EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

[GreyICE]

Yo Anatole, this is gonna be a bit of Mafia 101 here.

Lynch herpa hammers.

'kay?

[GreyICE]

Sure, knock yourself out.

[GreyICE]

Vanilla town

[GreyICE]

Not a clue.

[GreyICE]

Good exchange.

Look, I'll go into why you don't let herpa hammers live. It's not because it's a scum tactic (although "tee-hee I hammered" is often scum). It's because it means that the player wasn't paying attention to the wagon. It wasn't that interesting. It was part of a larger picture. But town never HAS a larger picture. The lynch is everything.

Go back and look how often Reckoner claims to have a town read on Vezok. Repeatedly. He should, Vezok is super-easy to read if you know his slightly derptastic playstyle (it's a Vezok thing). And look what he does. He votes Vezok and says he wants SSK more. Look at that again. He voted for his town read. And said he wanted scum more. Vote town. FOS Scum.

Look how easy it was to sway MattP to MafiaSSK over Vezok. So insanely easy. But Reck didn't even try.

Do I believe him when he says its an accidental hammer? Yes I do. He was looking at the big picture. Mislynch day 1 and 2, feed SSK to the wolves (he's not a good mafia player anyway, if we're being honest), coast to LyLo on any one of a number of mislynches (Flubber, Farside, etc.).

Normally when there's this sort of 1v1 you should play it out in LyLo, but this... this is so fucking egregious. This is so fucking insanely egregious.

[GreyICE]

I am actually angry. Yes, I get that TSO had a confirmed claim on MafiaSSK, but how the HELL do you guys let that slide? You lynch herpa hammers. They don't come from non-newbie town.

[GreyICE]

Hey Reck, you claimed to read Vezok. Well fuck, that's easy. He's not hard to read. And I'll give you enough credit to say you can actually do what you said.

Why vote a town read over a scum read, rather than try to sell MattP on voting a scum read? Why, Reck? Why would you do that thing?

Are you famous for being a doormat? A player who is afraid to lead wagons? A player who is afraid to go against the masses, and content to leave the leadership of the town to someone else and mindlessly sheep them? Is that how you would describe yourself as a player, Reck?

Pedit:

Possibilities:

1) I'm wrong about Flubber and he's scum. Frankly, Flubber has the least scummy ISO of anyone here, and that quick, sardonic fireback about SSK is strange to do to a scumbuddy. Then there's quotes like this:

VOTE: Myko

I'll wagon him or Reck. These current wagons suck.

This is extremely town. So this is the least likely.

2) I'm wrong about you and you're scum. At which point this conversation is pointless, but c'est la vie.

3) LyLo bus.

[GreyICE]

You said you thought I was more likely scum than myko.

Then you tried to probe me out. Now I'm conflicted.

Myk is clearly taking an interest in the game, and invested in people, as are you. You're the better player (I might hate how you play, and find your posts grating, but that's a personal issue, I can see past it) and that would have me lean you for scum over Myk. My experience also is that the first vote in LyLo is usually town - scum don't have much to gain from tossing down a vote, as it moves a high percentage chance (one of the townies breaks and votes a townie) into a low percentage chance (lock yourself into a 1v1 and hope you can out argue the opponent). And even if you do, Myk-scum choosing to lock himself in a 1v1 with you over Flubber seems stupid at best.

So yes, on the face of it, I would say I lean Myk over you, especially since I had just received my role PM, and had not had time to thoroughly review each ISO.

Not sure that I still don't, but Reck is so... so... so bad. So I'm fine kicking the can down the road on your alignments. Flubber is a strong town read.

[GreyICE]

Vezok plays erratically and weirdly! That's why you develop the vezok town and scum tells! And herpa derpa hammer... I mean really. You're better than that. You are just better town than that, period.

I truly don't believe Flubber is scum, although this is LyLo and I've had zero chance to interact.

Fuck it

Unvote

I can't buy a Mykonian/Anatole scumteam unless the scum don't have daytalk. Which is possible, I guess.

Pedit:

Oh come on. Really? Fine, no cruise control.

[GreyICE]

I'm curious. Flubber, what do you think of Reck voting Mykonian?

[GreyICE]

@Grey wouldn't there have been a quickhammer??

I'm more curious because Reck and Myk are your strongest scumreads, from what I understand.

This LyLo, like most, is a puzzlebox, and you're the only guy I have a decent read on. So I'm looking for thoughts, because basically if I vote someone you're not voting I feel like I throw the game away.

[GreyICE]

I'm hesitant to vote because I have yet to make it to lylo and not fuck it up.

Why do you have the strongest read on the player with the least content?

Amount of content is a poor predictor of pretty much anything. You were in Open 569 with me, you know Titus+Thesp had what, like 200 posts, and so did TN? And Varsoon?

It's about how much you care about the posts. "These are shit wagons, lets lynch Reck or Myko" is a fucking townie statement. You riffing off SSK if he's a scumbuddy of you? Possible, but unlikely. It's enough to put you a very distant 4th in my "interest in lynching list".

If I'm not going to lynch someone in LyLo, I better damn well vote with them, because LyLo is a fool's game. If any townie has one wrong read (out of 3 players!) then we lose. One wrong read! I'm fairly sure it's Reck, I'm willing to gamble it's Reck+Myko. But I certainly can't win if I'm going to say you're so strongly a town read that I will not lynch you, and then put my vote somewhere you're not voting.

P.S. Dead thread can bite me.

[GreyICE]

It pretty much guarantees that a minimum of one of Reck and Myko is scum, yes. Possible scum teams, from my perspective, are you-Reck and Myko-Reck (and you wonder why I want to lynch Reckoner)

[GreyICE]

Although I guess you+Myko and this is a long trip to town cred buying...

Whatever.

[GreyICE]

Except Farside is town, and if you're town we're going to have words after the game. Fuck, if you're scum, there will probably be words. Double fuck, if farside was scum, we'd STILL have words. The way you bully people on this site is truly over the line. Other people go off on rants, but you spend days just insulting people. Days.

[GreyICE]

Anatole

I'm not voting Flubber today

It's LyLo

I'm town

Deal with it

[GreyICE]

Already explained.

3 man LyLo, if me and flubber are both still alive, might reconsider.

Doesn't matter jack shit what you think of my town game. I'm town, if the scum don't bus, you need my vote to lynch scum.

[GreyICE]

Heh, I'd ask what the scum motivation was to defend a mafia goon who is also a mediocre mafia player was, but you already know the answer to that, you're a decent player. Lets face it, if you're alive in LyLo, the scum review of your game was "you're not a threat to us".

[GreyICE]

I mean unless it's some PR bullshit fest, but I only see three power roles, and you guys power lynched one of them on day 1.

[GreyICE]

I'm being shown a show.

I don't know why.

But it's a show. I don't know who the audience is.

Vote: Mykonian

You scum, Anatole?

[GreyICE]

F5.... F5... F5... F5...

[GreyICE]

This is why I have scum shoot me before LyLo. I hate LyLo.

[GreyICE]

This isn't fun. This is mafia with your tit in a wringer.

[GreyICE]

FOR FUCKS SAKE ANATOLE

DON'T VANISH NOW

[GreyICE]

Oh and Oman, if you have a problem with my use of caps in the last post... don't.

[GreyICE]

If you two are playing me right now

There's literally no point

If that was a town lynch Ana, just say so.

[GreyICE]

I'm not scum

If it's Reck+Flubber, we're the two biggest idiots on site you know. I will literally never live it down.

[GreyICE]

Fuck it, someone here is trolling me.

Logging off now, Oman, please make me not hurt.

[GreyICE]

Sorry Myko. It just really looked like you were enjoying the chaos. Should have trusted gut over head

[GreyICE]

...

Are you actually scum and just fucking with me

[GreyICE]

I'm going to agree with the incredibly annoying person. We're getting trolled.

[GreyICE]

Well I'm going to offer advice then: The scum haven't had a free night kill since N2 when they killed MattP. This is now N5. Whoever dies here, it means something. Don't jump to conclusions, but it most certainly means something.

[GreyICE]

I'm sorry Oman. Best wishes to you both.

[GreyICE]

Nobody is confirmed in 3 man LyLo, until a vote drops without hammer.

Told you Flubber was town.

[GreyICE]

By the by, Flubber did NOT vote Myko for the lynch.

He was bussed.

[GreyICE]

Typing after I see if you hammer

Vote: xReckonerx

Good game? It really is if you do.

[GreyICE]

...................

[GreyICE]

Oh thank god

[GreyICE]

Herpa hammers are scum.

What do you want to know?

[GreyICE]

Oh and by the by, what should be running through your mind was "why was I not shot?"

Because I guarantee you if I started of the day by voting Reckoner there's at least a 75% chance Flubber drops the hammer on him. All Flubber has wanted for days is Mykonian and Reckoner lynched, and yesterday was not a day to convince him he was wrong about those reads.

[GreyICE]

Which one of you was 100% confident in their reads, which one of you was so distrustful that you were selling yourself on Flubber=scum yesterday?

I don't throw away a free win in LyLo as scum, and trust me, if the hand was on the trigger, you were the corpse.

Now, I will go through the ISOs, but PLEASE consider that before you drop any votes.

[GreyICE]

No.

I'm that sure that a player who has been on site for multiple years does not accidentally drop a herpa hammer as town

while blaming MattP for the vote

and saying how he would really rather lynch scum. While, by the by, not even bothering to try and sell MattP on lynching his supposed "scumread" first.

And Anatole, if my plan was to just immediately chuck down a vote on Reck, why would I leave you alive and not Flubber? What would Flubber have said if he walked in to see "I'm 95% sure you're town, vote: Reck"?

[GreyICE]

What do you think of the hammer? The hammer on a town read?

When was the last time you hammered a town read by accident, Anatole? You've been on site since 2008, have you ever done it?

[GreyICE]

Really? Wow. I maintain that that was a 100% scum hammer which anyone should be lynched for immediately upon making it.

[GreyICE]

I don't really need to give you more reasons why you're town, but townie paranoia yesterday, versus Reck's "Ah yes, I remember, GreyICE was farside! Because there were so many replace outs in LyLo I just forgot!" You quiz me on my role PM, he scumplains that I'm in the game. You try and figure out what's going on, he posts "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" in response to anything I say.

Yeah, I made the right choice, AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE.

Now I just need you to make the right choice.

[GreyICE]

Oh, k, that makes this easy then.

VOTE: GreyICE

I feel like I've made case after case on farside so I don't feel like I need to do much, here, other than go back and rehash them if you really want me to... the only new things I'd add would be that Grey's play yesterday reeked of buddy with myko (with how he wanted to ignore myko v Anatole and go after me) and his late vote after I spent all day voting myko felt like a last second bus attempt. He clearly had this planned out to get me lynched in LYLO... he early voted in 3p LYLO after JUST saying yesterday that it could be myko+Reck or myko+Anatole... then magically, 3p LYLO hits, and it's myko+Reck 100% willing to risk the game on it.

I think Grey just realized he can actually manipulate you, Anatole, whereas trying to manipulate me into voting for you would be a lost cause

.

Anatole, I want you to consider this. If my goal was to manipulate a player into voting for Reckoner

why are you alive?

I doubt I'd even need to "manipulate" flubber into voting for Reck, he'd probably do it unprompted. He repeatedly stated that Reck was his strongest scumread. If I wanted to set up a 3P LyLo where I lynched Reck, who did I "buddy" by calling town? Flubber. Who did I question the towniness of? You. I had the perfect setup to win by lynching Reck in 3P lylo... then shoot flubber? Just to try and WIFOM you with "why would I shoot flubber"? Does that even seem rational? Logical? Anything?

Yes, me and Reck have a history. There's some fairly mutual bad blood. But if he was looking to avoid inflaming me, why would he post "zzzzzzzzzzzzz" after my posts? Anatole, if I responded to you by going "zzzzzzzzzz" to one of your points or questions, I imagine you'd be at least a bit irritated. Was he looking to avoid inflaming me? Or looking to infuriate me in a way that would slide under the mod's radar? Because I can make a case on him without personally attacking him. His play this game has objectively been poor to amazingly awful town play, or opportunistic scum play.

The scum have not had a free shot since N2

. Flubber died.

I will make any case you need or want. It's not too hard, Reck's gameplay has been opportunistic, his feuding with Farside has been used to fuel scumplaining about how terrible this game is, and even his last few posts have been poor appeals to emotion. But please, look at the scenario he is painting for you. Do I seem like a complete fucking idiot?

[GreyICE]

Oh, god, the WIFOM.

Grey ends yesterday with this big moment, this big thought, "THE SCUM HAVE NOT HAD A FREE KILL SO WHOEVER DIES TONIGHT IS IMPORTANT" and then Flubber dies and then "Gee golly gosh, it looks like Reck is scum because Flubber died and why would

I

kill Flubber, Anatole!?" Killing Flubber also eliminates the one person who didn't vote mykonian yesterday and leaves the three people on that wagon, which makes it harder to parse.

It's honestly a pretty great Hail Mary, if I'm being honest. Grey replaces into a slot that has been under fire from me all game, sees I'm already voting his buddy, and tries to flip a wagon around on me. That flounders, he realizes he'll need a mislynch for LYLO, so he flips on his buddy for sweet bus points and then makes damn sure Anatole's paying close attention to the kill, then offs the one person that would lead back to me being scum. It's pretty great play. It's actually fucking impressive. But unfortunately for Grey, his predecessor scummed it up all over the thread.

Grey-scum shot this guy for a Hail Mary?

VOTE: Myko

I'll wagon him or Reck. These current wagons suck.

This is still how I feel. More reck than myko tho.

Why flubber instead of myko, reck?

I don't know. Like I said yesterday, myko has flown under the radar for me, and the few times he HAS popped up it hasn't been egregious. Flubber has pinged me as scum on and off and I've mostly written it off as just "Oh well he could just be a VI", but coming into today with a scumread on me (or, as he put it, a scumread on me and myko but slightly more on me) feels very disgusting.

I've been scum reading you since I did a reread of the whole thread. Both you and Myko. I don't like how defensive you are playing. Note, this has nothing to do with you making a post or two to defend yourself. Your play has self preservation waaay to high on your priorities. I skimmed the ISO of the first link you had in that list of games you played in. Inflammatory behavior doesn't bother me. But your ISO was a lot more aggressive in that game than in this one.

Recks vote makes him the buddy, I think, making flubber indeed the desinterested townie and not the cleverly lurking scum. I'd be fine following you onto Reck.

I don't understand this at all. What I see right now is you looking for the lynch of least resistance.

Can I vote reck now?

Nope.

All I care about right now is Reck being scum. Something over nothing.

-_-

Indeed

[GreyICE]

My god myko is town. I actually really liked his case on MattP :c but Mattykins I don't wanna lynch you

this legendary smoking gun

MattP, later so townie he was willing to sheep him onto Vezok, in order to get MafiaSSK lynched... on day 3.

If SSK is scum then Reck's scum, I guess.

I feel like I am surrounded by the ghosts of people who were very extremely right about this game.

[GreyICE]

And I know this won't matter much, here, but just FYI, me defending a buddy is like a WTFworthy thing. In my 50 or so scum games, I think I've gone the defend buddy route like twice, whereas I'm infamous for big busses and big plays. I know, self-meta, whatever.

I'm the person who, after the myko stuff died down, I brought up that he had been flying under the radar. Why would I bus my buddy, just to hop off his wagon onto something else, only to bring up that he was being too quiet later after the wagon had died off?

4.

MafiaSSK

- MiG-27 FLOGGER -

Mafia Goon

- Lynched Day Three
9.

Mykonian

- EA-6B PROWLER -

Mafia Roleblocker

- Lynched Day Five

Lets try to figure this one out. Which one would a sensible player bus, the goon or the roleblocker?

[GreyICE]

Not that this game needs a scum roleblocker. Busdriver, Tracker, Jailkeeper, are you kidding me, that's fine versus 3 goons. Adding in the roleblocker is just ridiculous. Especially in a 12 man, town should have at least 1 more power role. BUT THAT'S A POST GAME DISCUSSION

You couldn't possible have realized that when it comes up who to bus. You couldn't possibly afford to start a fight that might start a wagon on the scum roleblocker early in the game.

The scum roleblocker!

PEdit: Anatole, again, it's only well played for Reck. It's crappily played like hell if I'm the scum.

[GreyICE]

Yes, but look at Flubber's posting. Does that seem like the posting of a man prone to WIFOM? Or the posting of a rather inactive townie who lived in a tunnel? (and yes, I owe him some compliments on the quality of his play after the game, because it was actually quite excellent despite the inactivity)

The only person who needs WIFOM is Reck. I would just need Flubber to vote Reck

[GreyICE]

Yes, but look at Flubber's posting. Does that seem like the posting of a man prone to WIFOM? Or the posting of a rather inactive townie who lived in a tunnel? (and yes, I owe him some compliments on the quality of his play after the game, because it was actually quite excellent despite the inactivity)

The only person who needs WIFOM is Reck. I would just need Flubber to vote Reck

[GreyICE]

Anatole, stop it. Everyone alive here has played objectively poorly (except me, my play has been excellent, but I replaced into a slot that was objectively poor). If you fucking throw away a town win over an OMGUS... that's like newbie play, Anatole.

[GreyICE]

Seriously, Anatole, put aside your hurt feelings. Look at the logic.

You don't bus your Roleblocker on day 1. That's shit play, literally anything could be in the town, including a cop+protective role. He town reads Myko out of nowhere.

SSK just lurks all the time, though, I don't think it's alignment indicative.

I really wish MafiaSSK wouldn't sign up to play games. :\ I know he's lurking and that's normal but it's still unfair to have a completely inactive slot.

Versus Farside's hard defense of SSK? Who is lightly shoving suspicion away from a wagon while avoiding fallout if he does get lynched? Who is putting themselves in the crosshairs for a town read?

Want a kicker?

Please, PLEASE read Mykonian's ISO before and after #2121: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6275019

Tell me if you see a tone shift. Tell me what you think that means.

[GreyICE]

Look at my play. Look at how I play the game. I can't answer for Farside. I can answer for myself.

I am town, I locked myself in this 1v1 by choice. Why the fuck would I do so if Farside had pissed you off? Why why why why why why why would I ever ever ever kill Flubber?

Use your head! Read my posts an use your heart! PLEASE

[GreyICE]

These are the facts. Reckoner wishes to crucify me based on farside's reads. He brings up farside every time he posts.

I cannot explain Farside's posts. It is literally impossible. If she was here, maybe she would. Or maybe she would have thrown the game away by sheeping Mykonian. But for fucks sake, you can talk to me. Do so.

[GreyICE]

Hey Reck, answer me directly. Would Flubber have voted you in LyLo?

[GreyICE]

I don't know where he would have ended up but he wouldn't have come out guns blazing, ESPECIALLY after my interactions with myko yesterday. Why the hell would I jump on myko outta nowhere when Anatole was a possible lynch, esp with farside SCUM READING ANATOLE

Farside wasn't in the game for most of yesterday.

Now, let me ask you a question. You're town, right? If you are in a 3 person LyLo and farside is scum, you have to anticipate the other person is flubber. He's wanted you dead for days. So your game is going to come down to who flubber votes.

Reckoner, you never once addressed Flubber yesterday.

Your game theoretically rode on his opinion of you, and you never talked to him.

Reckoner, you knew he would be dead. You discounted him, because you knew he would be dead.

[GreyICE]

Town win

[GreyICE]

Hey, you voted right when it mattered.

Thanks for looking past Farside's shit cases on you, and my gut instinct that said throwing a vote in LyLo tends to be town.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, it's hard not to sometimes (and sometimes the attacks cross the line from "X is playing like scum" to "X is a crappy person").

And thank you. I got to try out some of my theories on LyLo, namely that one of the reasons that towns fare so poorly is that it's exactly when the townie spirit collapses, and people start to just run on paranoia. I chose to trust flubber because he read super town.

Which, by the by, he might be low activity, but his reads... my god.

[GreyICE]

@Reck: I really don't have a problem any more either. When I flipped out over the Vezok hammer, it was my actual reaction to the fact the town hadn't lynched you based on play, not anything personal (I'd have reacted about the same if any experienced player had done that). If you have one flaw as scum, it's that you tend to plan ahead - You planned Vezok>SSK, you planned the farside lynch. The shape of the plan can be seen (although it's fairly interesting when you realize the plan is that you get lynched in LyLo...). You just lost sight of the now for the future for a second when that hammer was dropped. Agree MafiaSSK is pretty something to get on your scumteam (although at least he wasn't the roleblocker, ye gods).

Honestly, I never read Farside's posts (Sorry folks, I never read the people I'm replacing as town, it's really not productive) and honestly after reading them... yeah, there was some back and forth that was more than a little barbed, but the "borderline illiterate" came after some stuff she was tossing at you (fake ass shit and stuff) so yeah... just a heated back and forth. I understand your frustration, even if I also understand Farside's.

Like Flubber, Myko was the weaker scumread, but I took a gamble. Anatole seemed really town with the quick quiz at the end, and you+Myko made a lot of sense.

@Anatole: I wasn't meaning "being alive in LyLo means you're a shit player" I just believe its a review of your play in one specific game. I've been left alive to LyLo before too, and it's almost always because the scum think that I'm so significantly off that I'm hurting the town.

[GreyICE]

I'd have given town a weak power role, or toned down the roleblocker to maybe a role cop, but yeah, it was fairly well balanced.

I'm sorry for replacing in and breaking the game. I normally don't like doing things like that, I typically don't replace in to games in LyLo. As Oman knows, I tried to replace in ages ago, and honestly I didn't realize it was LyLo until I landed. A fresh set of eyes in LyLo, especially from an experienced player, truly is devastating. You have a game worth of connections with zero preconceived notions and bias that has had zero chance to be shaped by the scum kill. There's a reason most observers think LyLo is often obvious, but to those on the ground its a complex mess.

Any chance the dead thread could be made public (or shared if its a QT)?

[GreyICE]

I didn't make a dead thread. Been a long time since I modded and those were only just coming into fashion when I took the break.

So um...All the dead guys...were dead

Awww, dead thread theories always are the funniest. I would have expected a fair bit of rage at me