Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[St Constantine the Hermit]

That which is policy lynch is scummy lynch.

Then you agree that policy voting me is scummy. Lol.

[borkjerfkin]

The mistake makes sense whether I'm town or scum.

The point is that it's not you being prescient of Vic's townflip, considering he didn't flip that.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I'm out for real this time. Lynch Acyron or Mathdino. Ciao (for real this time).

[Mathdino]

Constantine, you really think I'm policy voting you?

I'm voting you because you're trying to use being right on Victor to justify being right on me, when you've still provided no non-associative reasoning and haven't defended yourself AT ALL this game. You told me that your first vote on me was based off of intent and not association.

So follow through.

[Malakittens]

My lynch pool is this:

{Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, Wgegurts}

In that order.

Mala, any reasoning?

Welcome to the game, borkjerfkin.

You guys are posting wayyyy to fast. I step away for 5 minutes and a whole nother page

I did a vast meta research on VDA. He has a tendency to line up with scum partners like MathDino said and associate them with a townplayer. I have checked town games to see if he's done them there, but he has once, but when he did do it is was a vast difference.

I might be warming up to switch Riddle with you because I'm itching for a 1v1 and it's suprisingly one of those things I never want to do, but I'm in this mood to do it.

[blindmewithscience]

That which is policy lynch is scummy lynch.

Then you agree that policy voting me is scummy. Lol.

I'm pretty sure mathdino was referencing this post by you.

I'm all up for PLing this guy though, he will be a nightmare to read and is therefore dangerous.

Thy Second Commandment in the Ten Commandments of Constantine's Apocrypha
- That which is policy lynch, is scummy lynch

[borkjerfkin]

Sorry for posting so quickly, but my aim is to engage. I am used to faster paced games.

Constantine I really want explanations not only of why you guarantee 1+ scum off the wagon, but also why you've narrowed 'confirmed scum' (your words) to acryon/mathdino and not any of the others who weren't on the wagon EoD

[Malakittens]

Non mafia question, but do you know if I can take Clartin D with Mucinex D, or is that tooo much D?

[borkjerfkin]

Unsure; do you generally like the D?

Spoiler:

sorry

[Malakittens]

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[borkjerfkin]

I want a PL of myself

I guess my question to you is what's your angle here?

[borkjerfkin]

mala (OT):

Spoiler:

https://www.healthtap.com/topics/can-yo ... x-together

maybe this might help? I am not a doctor so I will not recommend any course of action

[Mathdino]

The history of Victor's wagon:

acryon, Mathdino, SilverWolf/Riddleton (using our reasoning), Mathdino unvotes, SilverWolf unvotes, acryon unvotes, Constantine, Constantine unvotes, Not_Mafia, Constantine, TTH, TTH unvotes, Riddleton, TTH, Newbie, wgeurts, Malakittens.

Malakittens is town. I didn't know this until nightfall, but she was scum with Victor the game where he didn't care about L-1 and almost definitely picked up on his nonchalance. If she was scum and wanted to bus him, I'd have thought she'd do it earlier. Also Victor's interactions with her sound like sucking up.
wgeurts is confirmed town based on Victor's interactions with him, or lack thereof.
From my perspective, I'm town and TTH is unquestionably town.

I think the scum on the wagon are in {SilverWolf/Riddleton, Constantine, Newbie}. SilverWolf due to her initial reaction to my and acryon's suspicions. Constantine due to how he's trying to use his being right today, and of how incredibly sure he was about Victor without being able to explain why. Newbie, well, I explained that in twilight and I'll explain it again once this thread calms down.

Edit: Okay you've gotta be kidding me. Game's moving insanely fast already, not fluffposting would be appreciated

[Mathdino]

@Everyone

: Who would you want to lynch if not wgeurts or Wisdom? What are your thoughts on SilverWolf? (free pass on sheeping the above case; I think I kinda exhausted everything that can be said about her)

I can see Silverwolf as scum if Wgeurtes flips scum. But I'd rather lynch Wguertes first.

Red flag again; "I can see [scumbuddy] as scum if [townperson] is scum."

301 - Furthermore if Wisdom is town, I'm can see Silverwolf being scum after reading this.

Ooh, didn't catch this at first. Might have to rethink my read on Wisdom. However, I think it's notable that Victor rarely includes both his scumbuddies in the same sentence. I don't quite know what to make of this yet.

302 - Sure newbscum would do this. Particular since the scum don't have daychat so Wgeuertes has not had any opportunity to talk with his scumbuddies yet.

Yeeeeep wgeurts is town.

310 - Ok, I can totally see blindmewithscience as scum with Wgeurtes after this post. If Wgeurtes flips scum then he should be tomorrows flip. And if it is Wguetes + blindmewithscience then it's probably means it's not Silverwolf based on the second half of this post.

This seems to be what Mala caught. I think it's notable that he pointed out Silver/wgeurts first, however, and followed up with BMWS/wgeurts. Honestly, I'm more inclined to think of the first as deliberate linking and the latter as an afterthought. Not changing my read on BMWS.

325 - So you now want to wait and see more from Wgeurtes before making a decsion, but you were happily on his wagon a couple of days ago. I also don't like the way he's trying to band people together.

354 - Calling 262 coaching from Mala is a massive stretch. In fact I've spotted a few spots where I think there might be coaching but this is not one of them. Also roles that benefit from being lynched are called Jesters. You'll note there's none in this game if you checked the setup.

That said, I also don't like how Mala has fallen into the background. The last few posts have a distinct feel of holding back.

Sucks up to Mala and then mudslings her. Mala's town.

@Reinoe

- Any news on the Undertaker's replacement yet?

[Newbie]

I would vote Wisdom, but I'm completely confused about something.

Also, I love how I'm accused of bussing my someone that was so adamant to let VD speak earlier but ended up "accidentally" hammering him and going oh well afterwards.

[Riddleton]

I want a PL of myself

I guess my question to you is what's your angle here?

If I was a spectator looking into this game, I'd think "lynch that scumbag" regarding my mistake, so I can relate to how others feel that way about me (MathDino, Wisdom). I know that if I get to LyLo, I would be an easy mislynch for the scum. Paranoia wins games for scum.

What are your thoughts?

[Mathdino]

Do I detect a scumread on Malakittens or a tu quoque fallacy? Justify yourself, Newbie. Calling out hypocrisy is not a good response, as there are very very good reasons that Mala's town.

[borkjerfkin]

Done with the fluff, sorry.

Anyway, I'm a pretty big fan of your #1012. I have some niggles about Wisdom, mostly due to posting around his 740 which seemed a bit off to me compared to his earlier posting about the Vic slot and a defense that amounted to attacking others for ostensibly not considering that "Vic might be town and they're just wrong?" I'm actually having a really hard time following Wisdom's line of thought on this.

Wisdom, wouldn't mind you chiming in yourself how you got to 740 and beyond from early game Vic interactions.

It's really difficult to know since I've not really been super diligent in checking timestamps, but Wisdom seemed pretty eager to save that slot by counterwagoning other slots around it, and I think it was pretty up in the air until Mala nailed Vic at the end with regard to who was actually going to be lynched.

You're townreading Wisdom - would be interested in your expounding on the 'reads town in general' comment.

p-edit: all @Mathdino

[borkjerfkin]

What are your thoughts?

That I think it's pretty obvious that any attack on you that starts with the premise 'Riddleton is scum cause he knows Vic is town' is inapplicable to the gamestate as it stands.

Ergo I am confused why you're still worried about it.

[Newbie]

Do I detect a scumread on Malakittens or a tu quoque fallacy? Justify yourself, Newbie. Calling out hypocrisy is not a good response, as there are very very good reasons that Mala's town.

I'm just saying it's funny how I'm getting accused of bussing by Mala when the way she hammered VD was really odd. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Vote: Wisdom

[borkjerfkin]

Also, I love how I'm accused of bussing my someone that was so adamant to let VD speak earlier but ended up "accidentally" hammering him and going oh well afterwards.

Wasn't your position yesterday that you thought Mala was more likely scum if Vic had flipped town?

If not, what are you trying to say here?

[borkjerfkin]

Paranoia wins games for scum.

More to the point: mislynching town wins games for scum; if you're town, that pretty obviously heads the game down that path. Why are you downplaying that?

[Malakittens]

I would vote Wisdom, but I'm completely confused about something.

Also, I love how I'm accused of bussing my someone that was so adamant to let VD speak earlier but ended up "accidentally" hammering him and going oh well afterwards.

To be really blunt. I had just hammered someone who was town and I felt really shitty that my reads were so wrong, so horribly wrong that game. I had beat myself up and figured that fuck it I'm sure VDA is scum so I felt like hammering and doing something right for a change.

But yes please try to equate my hammer as scummy

[Newbie]

Also, I love how I'm accused of bussing my someone that was so adamant to let VD speak earlier but ended up "accidentally" hammering him and going oh well afterwards.

Wasn't your position yesterday that you thought Mala was more likely scum if Vic had flipped town?

If not, what are you trying to say here?

I'm saying the way she hammered looked more like bussing than my vote supposedly did.

That's all.

[Malakittens]

Do I detect a scumread on Malakittens or a tu quoque fallacy? Justify yourself, Newbie. Calling out hypocrisy is not a good response, as there are very very good reasons that Mala's town.

I'm just saying it's funny how I'm getting accused of bussing by Mala when the way she hammered VD was really odd. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Vote: Wisdom

I didn't accuse you of busing, are you reading my posts? You aren't even in my lynchpool today.