Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Herodotus]

Vettrock 184 is a very OMGUSy response to Teapot, which makes me like Teapot.

How was it OMGUSy? vettrock complained and tried to shift attention back to ABR.

Right, with the lack of names, I assumed that when vettrock said "he", he was talking about Teapot. But "he" must have meant Albert, who we already know was town. So that probably doesn't say anything about Teapot.

Stop using log in times to determine in-game behavior.

On the one hand I agree that it feels a little unfair and somewhat unreliable to look at log in times. But the one rule that is bolded tells me to play to my win condition, and gaining information is critical to that goal, even if the information isn't perfect. And it's not cheating; this is public information, not much different from the times when someone says "(Player) has posted in other games but is lurking here." There's a discussion to be had about this, but it belongs in Mafia Discussion after this game is over.
No one's vote should be based solely on someone having been logged in during that time, if only because there were multiple people whose times were between the previous vote count and the kill and multiple people whose times were hidden. Also, I've made mistakes based on things like that before. But as long as the Mod doesn't say it's not allowed, it's fair to mention it, and because of the way vettrock reacted, I think it may help in the long term.

Another question for townies:

What do you think of scum!Sup-Zero?

I think the most relevant considerations for Sup-Zero's alignment would be his end of day discussion with Albert, which I apologize for cutting short. There's also what Albert said:

It looks like you voted for archaebob, realized he looked too townie, and then hammered him to get rid of a loose end and frame me with the same stone. Your reads and suspicions are all wrong. Your interactions with texcat and vet look like you're buddies.

I want to look into that at some point, but I won't be assuming it's correct solely on the basis that it came from Albert.

Sup, when you said that Astinus would be a good person to look at, can you explain in what way you looked at them? A random-looking vote doesn't mean a lot.

[Herodotus]

And yes, they eventually replaced out, but not until later, ie. after you moved your vote.

[Morgan]

VOTE: Sup-Zero

A nudge here, a poke there.

[texcat]

My opinion of SupZero is tinged with a whole lot of OMGUS. I was originally suspicious when they said they had thoughts to share, but would do so later. Later came and went and I asked again. It wasn't until I voted that we started getting some content. Then there was Sup's vote for ABR while claiming that he thought ABR was town. It makes no sense to me. If you think that ABR is town and is such a good scum hunter that he can accurately vig kill scum on D1, then why would you want to kill him? Isn't a good scum hunter a better asset to town if he is alive?

I actually find that promising to post content later, and then not doing so, is a fairly accurate scum tell. I'd love to see some actual statistics on this. And TheCow has done it numerous times. My vote is probably going to stay on him for a while.

[Wisdom]

Vote Count 2.1

Herodotus (3)

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Sup-Zero, Teapot, BBMolla

texcat (2)

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Herodotus, pisskop

TheCow (1)

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texcat

Sup-Zero (1)

-

Morgan

Not Voting:

theslimer3, TheCow

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-03-01 01:15:23).

[Sup-Zero]

VOTE: Sup-Zero

A nudge here, a poke there.

no pls

[Sup-Zero]

My opinion of SupZero is tinged with a whole lot of OMGUS. I was originally suspicious when they said they had thoughts to share, but would do so later. Later came and went and I asked again. It wasn't until I voted that we started getting some content. Then there was Sup's vote for ABR while claiming that he thought ABR was town. It makes no sense to me. If you think that ABR is town and is such a good scum hunter that he can accurately vig kill scum on D1, then why would you want to kill him? Isn't a good scum hunter a better asset to town if he is alive?

I actually find that promising to post content later, and then not doing so, is a fairly accurate scum tell. I'd love to see some actual statistics on this. And TheCow has done it numerous times. My vote is probably going to stay on him for a while.

This person is not reading our posts.

[Sup-Zero]

Xay and I came to the conclusion that we want to lynch Hero and maybe texcat.

Hero only came up with the buddying theory when ABR started talking about shooting us, so we have no idea why he held onto it for that long. He said nothing about us aside from wanting us to do stuff, and only came up with the read as soon as our death was a possibility.

We haven't talked about texcat much.

[Sup-Zero]

The texcat thing is mostly my own read, Xay said he was just okay with it.

[texcat]

My opinion of SupZero is tinged with a whole lot of OMGUS. I was originally suspicious when they said they had thoughts to share, but would do so later. Later came and went and I asked again. It wasn't until I voted that we started getting some content. Then there was Sup's vote for ABR while claiming that he thought ABR was town. It makes no sense to me. If you think that ABR is town and is such a good scum hunter that he can accurately vig kill scum on D1, then why would you want to kill him? Isn't a good scum hunter a better asset to town if he is alive?

I actually find that promising to post content later, and then not doing so, is a fairly accurate scum tell. I'd love to see some actual statistics on this. And TheCow has done it numerous times. My vote is probably going to stay on him for a while.

This person is not reading our posts.

[texcat]

Oops. I meant to add to the quote.... What posts do you think I missed? Do you think something I said was incorrect? Please feel free to point it out if you do. Otherwise, quit smudging me by saying that I'm not reading.

[Sup-Zero]

• We gave reasons for voting ABR.
  
• We gave reasons for why we didn't contribute at that point in time.
  
• Giving content after getting voted is not a scumtell.

Try again.

[Sup-Zero]

I do think you read my posts regarding these subjects and it feels like you've deliberately ignored them, hence me being annoyed.

[Herodotus]

@Sup: It's not a theory. I thought you were very town until your response to the votes on me. After that, I thought you were town but kept that in mind. When Albert mentioned shooting you, I figured there might be reasons to suspect you and I read you in ISO. When I noticed your actions toward Astinus I felt uncomfortable so I'm asking you about them. I had a theory that would explain it and that wouldn't implicate you, but I wanted to hear it from you.

[Herodotus]

I also haven't reread you since day 2 started except for the end of day 1.

[TheCow]

Ew, a vote on me.
If anyone is wondering why I died for a bit there, well aa lot of sleeping was had. Anyway, on topic. With yesterday's situation resolved, I'm feeling Tea is kind of townier. Though, my thoughts there could just be biased by the Lynch's results, I'm not sure. Will look into that further.

As Sup goes, their posts leave me feeling awkward. Could just be the style they're in, but it is quite likely the weirdness of their placements.

[texcat]

With yesterday's situation resolved, I'm feeling Tea is kind of townier. Though, my thoughts there could just be biased by the Lynch's results, I'm not sure.

Could you explain this a little more? I'm not seeing why Tea should feel townier. ABR, who Tea wanted dead no matter what, died and flipped town. I could see that Teapot would be townier if ABR had flipped scum, but huh?

[theslimer3]

Prod dodge! Slimey content later. Also ask me questions pls

[theslimer3]

You know, because I'm an attention whore and I feel left out this game :c

[Sup-Zero]

@Sup: It's not a theory. I thought you were very town until your response to the votes on me. After that, I thought you were town but kept that in mind. When Albert mentioned shooting you, I figured there might be reasons to suspect you and I read you in ISO. When I noticed your actions toward Astinus I felt uncomfortable so I'm asking you about them. I had a theory that would explain it and that wouldn't implicate you, but I wanted to hear it from you.

Which is why it only came up when ABR threatened to shoot me. Sure.

Ew, a vote on me.
If anyone is wondering why I died for a bit there, well aa lot of sleeping was had. Anyway, on topic. With yesterday's situation resolved, I'm feeling Tea is kind of townier. Though, my thoughts there could just be biased by the Lynch's results, I'm not sure. Will look into that further.

As Sup goes, their posts leave me feeling awkward. Could just be the style they're in, but it is quite likely the weirdness of their placements.

Can't base your analysis on the power of imagination, I'm afraid. Got any real issues or what?

[Morgan]

Prod dodge! Slimey content later. Also ask me questions pls

Is Sup-Zero scum, y/n?

[pisskop]

Y

[Herodotus]

@Sup: It's not a theory. I thought you were very town until your response to the votes on me. After that, I thought you were town but kept that in mind. When Albert mentioned shooting you, I figured there might be reasons to suspect you and I read you in ISO. When I noticed your actions toward Astinus I felt uncomfortable so I'm asking you about them. I had a theory that would explain it and that wouldn't implicate you, but I wanted to hear it from you.

Which is why it only came up when ABR threatened to shoot me. Sure.

Yes, it's exactly why I only mentioned it then. I never felt like it was worth doubting your towniness until Albert requested that the rest of us critically examine you. Would you expect otherwise?

My current theory is that the strangeness of that can be attributed in some way to your being a hydra. As I said, though, I was hoping you would provide an explanation because I don't like to spoon-feed it to you.

[BBmolla]

My confidence is pretty shot so I have like no will to post

[BBmolla]

Sup wagon is pretty garbage just by who is pushing it.