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In post 628, Empire wrote:Oh and after you guys inevitably realize that this slot is town, we're bane'ing Gamma. No exceptions (assuming my read-through of this thread or my teammates don't change my mind).
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
Bulb, if you're town then I appreciate the advice, but I currently think you're scum for a number of reasons, not limited to you telling me what to do.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
I do form reads emotionally sometimes and I'm aware of this, but I feel it's unfair to dismiss my reads because of this, especially when they are not entirely emotional.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
Regarding Cheetory, the stuff about being less analytical and taking pot-shots are the lines along which Ceph is thinking, and I don't know what to think of you claiming to be thinking along the same lines as Ceph when you evidently have no idea what Ceph was thinking.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
Ultimately, I think you're attempting to manipulate me and doing a poor job of it. It would seem strange for someone to interact with the paragon in such a way, but it's quite common knowledge that I believe I'm not nearly as good as my banner would suggests, and I have been described using such words as meek, indecisive and submissive in the past. So, I do not believe it beyond you, or anyone else, to try manipulating me in such a way if you consider it in your best interests to do so. If you are scum as I suspect then you have vastly underestimated the extent of my paranoia.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
You have told me that Ceph is right and that I should listen to him even though it has been proven that you have no idea what he was even saying. You say that I'm indecisive, and while this is a common feature of my play, I have been making a (most likely futile) attempt to live up to the paragon title that has been ascribed to me and don't believe that I've actually been indecisive here. I've been clear about which choice I want, to bane or not to bane, and also who I want to bane (ironically any indecision regarding this is only coming about now). You tell me that I'm lost when the only indication for this is that I don't agree with your reads. You are using my 'emotional side' in an attempt to get me to stop not-scumreading Cheetory when my reasons for disagreeing with you are merely seeing his position on the TammyvZar issue as a sensible one that I could see town taking, and not emotional at all. You claim that my townread on Marquis and lack of super strong scumread on Zar are only due to their buddying of me. However, my main reason for townreading Marquis is unrelated to his buddying (the influence of which on my read I'm quite aware of) and my main concern about Zar is his townread of me.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
The above myriad of really strange (and pretty much entirely untrue) claims makes me think that you must be scum. I think it's very likely that people who don't know me well (and in fact probably all but those closest to me) would believe that the best method of defusing me as a threat would be to tell me I'm wrong, sew doubt into me regarding my own reads. Surely meek, indecisive, submissive DV would retreat into his bubble of self-loathing and follow your lead! I even believe that this could happen myself sometimes, and it was in fact my gut reaction to your comments, especially 374.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
-His response to Ffery in 341 is the kind of response I could see myself making as scum. Ffery's quote is rather harmless and under normal circumstances shouldn't give Bulbazak any cause for concern. She is aware of her tendency to scumread him or want to scumread him. However, I believe Bulb's reply reveals an underlying self-consciousness/need to be townread.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:
-Again in 341, I dislike the way he voted to bane Zar, acting as if it wasn't his choice to but rather his team-mate telling him to, when in fact he later claims that he does believe Zar is scum.
In post 382, Shadoweh wrote:I fully believe everyone known for liking scum should be policy lynched
In post 390, mastin2 wrote:(Also, vezok's town.)
In post 394, mastin2 wrote:By pretending he's me.In post 352, Titus wrote:@Bulba, how can you townread someone who has not posted?
In post 402, T S O wrote:
Am I the only one who finds Bulbazak's thought process here bizarre as fuck?
Bulba: "oh I'm mad that I made a post and hito locked the thread"
GIF: "you should have used the Back button"
Bulba: "meh didn't want it anyway"
In post 419, Cheetory6 wrote:Where exactly am I appealing to DV's emotional side in any of my interactions with him? :/Bulba wrote:Look, I get that you're lost right now, but can you please not let yourself form judgements around who appeals to your emotional side.
In post 440, Cheetory6 wrote:UT wrote:how's being an IC treating you?
UT wrote:I just found it very fishy
Vote for UT.
In post 486, Shadoweh wrote:
Bane: ZarWe don't think his recent posts are an improvement. Zar, if you want to get out of being the delivery boy you're going to have to post things of your own people can read. If you're town I would prefer you make it obvious now. I'm actually a little nervous about making a spot shared with three scary town players vulnerable this early.
In post 506, Espeonage wrote:In post 502, Titus wrote:TSO, I asked you to read my posts because I felt you were misunderstanding me and I was repeating myself.
You think I lie for no reason???
The booze is for me tonight to try to make sense of this.
@DV, He asks questions, follows through on the answers and articulates his positions well. This is town Bulba.
That sounds like null bulba. Pls don't declare things that aren't true.
hella yeah this game is gonna be easy.
In post 509, Titus wrote:
Nah, scum Bulba is a lurksack who has trouble faking the same consistency of thought with tone.
In post 660, Shadoweh wrote:Empire replacing from a town slot into a scum slot is really unlikely. I supose we can't speculate on if that's what happened, just even if scum I'm not sure if scum in a game where Tammy isn't going to yell at him would be worse then scum in a game where everyone expects him to make giant effort posts right now. It's definitely a townie move and it's just as well since he'll have extra time before the real lynch to post.
Espe: If you claim your sign scum go from having a 33% chance to kill you with one action to a 100% chance to kill you. You should not claim your sign unless you're okay with dying offhandedly.
In post 591, Marquis wrote:All these people townreading Tammy and DV this game makes me kind of nervous for some reason I don't really get! I mean I understand why it's like that for DV for me but I'm townreading Tammy while simultaneously feeling weird about it!
IDK! I think part of it is that I always take Tammy being town for granted especially in games where there's an element of choice but this time I keep thinking about how if there was a time to subvert her meta it'd probably be now! After ffery's comments earlier I was looking through the old Team Mafia games to see what she meant and noticed Tammy won a mini as scum for it and that shouldn't really bother me but it does! :/ Of course that's an obvious idea but the thought is everyone always sees her as being so indisputably town and loving to be town so much that it would trump that paranoia of her choosing scum, but from what I know at least it's not like she isn't a threat as scum!
Like if there were ever a time to stop just doing the same old same old, both in regards to those kinds of automatic trigger reads and potential Tammy-choosing-an-alignment, it would be this game and I guess it kind of bothers me that people are just going through the motions with that read in particular as usual! (Preview edit: I'm still getting ffery and Tammy mixed up when I type out who I'm referring to! Note to self to stop! I guess!)
I think the main tangible thing that bothers me right now is that huge Zar wall she made! Like she's so intent on Zar right now with barely any outside focus and devoting so much time to it when I feel like most people here are more restrained due to the competition pressure and like I said should be considering reads more than just taking them for granted so soon, and trying to think about it from that angle it makes a bit of sense! But then I get the feeling that I'm bending my thinking to try and fit my paranoia, but then I know I should probably be using Occam's Razor, but then I think about how it's Team Mafia again and ugh!
In post 596, Titus wrote:Tammy, have you ever even rolled scum with me as town? I know we have never been buddies. Marquis mentioning your neta reminds me I cannot remember your scum meta beyond you not obvtowning.
In post 623, Empire wrote:SUPRISE!
If you heard that sound, that was the sound of the scum team in this game collectively shitting themselves.
Well, Tammy, you wanted me and now you get the real me, uncut and unfiltered.
In post 663, Espeonage wrote:Let me think, I may still want to be baned.
Also swapping itself is null in the same way replacing due to being swamped is null. If you are under fire and you swap, that seems pretty suspect as it is mechanically different to replacing.
In post 673, Espeonage wrote:I already covered the your slot. Mostly deflection and I Tammy's wall felt very similar to the way she went about attacking me in Red Wine which means that she is probably either right or scum with you.
I will not clarify the Tammy pings.