Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

[bji]

Hey all. First, thank you texcat for replacing in. I was genuinely worried that the game would die without a replacement willing to come in. Very good of you, and much appreciated.

I agree that the Pea Brain slot is highly suspicious at this point. My reasoning is almost entirely based on SW's freak out. Now that we know that TMJ is scum, it explains alot. It would seem that SW was upset because she knew she didn't have much of a scum team to rely on. TMJ was obviously not going to be much help. It seems very likely that SW felt like the rest of her team wasn't helping or wasn't going to be helpful either, and got frustrated when she, as the only "good" player on the team, was the one the wagon was forming on. So who else would SW have perceived as an unhelpful or maybe even hostile scum partner, to the extent that she felt like she'd rather quit than play with that team?

Pea Brain looks like a likely candidate. His multi-voting on SW almost looks like a really mocking form of bussing. Maybe SW got really frustrated by that.

I can't leave VDA out either though. His early interaction with SW could be bussing and SW could have been frustrated that her scum partner had initiated the interactions that ended up making me most suspicious of her. Like, if they were bussing, I focused entirely on her and didn't even consider that her scum partner, who was equally involved in the bus, could be scum. I think this is a considerably worse theory than my case against the Pea Brain slot though.

I continue to not understand NK decisions by the scum team though. Why Johnny? Why not pisskop (who led the lynch against Titus and I believe has clearly demonstrated some scum sniffing skills and would seem dangerous to scum)? Why not me (who identified both SW and TMJ as scum)? Why not Ari (who, if he is town, has a valuable role that is worth NK'ing)?

[bji]

@Titus your reading is purely based on gut feeling. U only try to lynch the inactive to find way out.

vote titus

@aristophanes : what do you think about the latest bji vs silverwolf?

Can you elaborate why you think me and victor is scum bussing?

Is there a question/point in there?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Odd NK choice, could be Wine but I have another theory which I will hold onto for the time being.

Hi Pisskop. I'm actually not.
TJM iso? That's like a 15 sec read?

VOTE: West

off to work...more this evening

Why West?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I think the last scum is in {Ari, Texcat, bji}. Discuss.

[bji]

I think the last scum is in {Ari, Texcat, bji}. Discuss.

Are you still butt hurt over our argument?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I think the last scum is in {Ari, Texcat, bji}. Discuss.

Are you still butt hurt over our argument?

Was I ever butt hurt over our argument?

[bji]

I think the last scum is in {Ari, Texcat, bji}. Discuss.

Are you still butt hurt over our argument?

Was I ever butt hurt over our argument?

I was just being coy. What I really wanted to ask was, is your inclusion of me in that list based on the fact that you and I had an argument? Or is there something else?

Also, is your reasoning for including texcat because you agree with what I said about about his interaction with SW?

Also, why Ari?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I was just being coy. What I really wanted to ask was, is your inclusion of me in that list based on the fact that you and I had an argument? Or is there something else?

Something else.

Also, is your reasoning for including texcat because you agree with what I said about about his interaction with SW?

I didn't see what you said about him. You can requote it if you want to. I included him for the same reason as you.

Also, why Ari?

Same reason as the other two.

See I can be coy as well.

[pisskop]

Spoiler: D1

Votecount 1.02

pisskop

[6] -

Count Dooku

, VictorDeAngelo, bji,

Lapsa

, Aeronaut,

JohnnyFarrar

Aeronaut

[2] -

SilverWolf

, pisskop

JohnnyFarrar

[1] - West9

Not Voting

[4] - evilpacman18, Nickname, Prolapsed Brain,

Tjoe Min Ja

Votecount 1.05

pisskop

[3] - Aeronaut,

JohnnyFarrar

, bji

SilverWolf

[3] - VictorDeAngelo, Prolapsed Brain, West9

Lapsa

[2] -

SilverWolf

, Nickname

Aeronaut

[1] - pisskop

Not Voting

[4] -

Count Dooku

, evilpacman18,

Lapsa

,

Tjoe Min Ja

Votecount 1.07

Aristophanes

[5] -

Lapsa

,

SilverWolf

,

Count Dooku

, Prolapsed Brain, West9

pisskop

[2] - Aeronaut,

JohnnyFarrar

SilverWolf

[1] - VictorDeAngelo

Lapsa

[1] - Aristophanes

Aeronaut

[1] - pisskop

West

[1] - bji

Not Voting

[2] - evilpacman18,

Tjoe Min Ja

Votecount 1.10

Aristophanes

[5] -

SilverWolf

,

Count Dooku

, West9, Gliffie, pisskop

SilverWolf

[3] - VictorDeAngelo, bji, Prolapsed Brain

Prolapsed Brain

[2] -

JohnnyFarrar

, Aristophanes

bji

[1] - evilpacman18

Not Voting

[2] -

Lapsa

,

Tjoe Min Ja

Votecount 1.11

Aristophanes

[6] -

Count Dooku

, West9, Gliffie, pisskop,

Titus

, Prolapsed Brain

Titus

[2] - VictorDeAngelo, bji

Prolapsed Brain

[2] -

JohnnyFarrar

, Aristophanes

bji

[1] - evilpacman18

Not Voting

[2] -

Lapsa

,

Tjoe Min Ja

Votecount 1.LYNCH

Titus

LYNCHED - pisskop, Aristophanes,

Lapsa

, West9, VictorDeAngelo,

Tjoe Min Ja

, Prolapsed Brain

Prolapsed Brain

[3] - bji,

Titus

, Gliffie

bji

[1] - evilpacman18

Not Voting

[2] -

Count Dooku

,

JohnnyFarrar

Spoiler: D2

Votecount 2.02

TjoeMin Ja

[4] - VictorDeAngelo,

JohnnyFarrar

, bji, Aristophanes

evilpacman18

[3] - pisskop, West9, Prolapsed Brain

VictorDeAngelo

[1] -

Tjoe Min Ja

Not Voting

[2] - evilpacman18, Gliffie

Votecount 2.04

TjoeMin Ja

[5] - VictorDeAngelo,

JohnnyFarrar

, bji, Aristophanes, evilpacman18

evilpacman18

[1] - West9

VictorDeAngelo

[1] -

Tjoe Min Ja

Gliffie

[1] - pisskop

Not Voting

[2] - Gliffie, ChaosOmega

Votecount 2.LYNCH

Tjoe Min Ja

[

LYNCHED

] - VictorDeAngelo,

JohnnyFarrar

, bji, Aristophanes, evilpacman18, ChaosOmega

Gliffie

[2] - pisskop, West9

VictorDeAngelo

[1] -

Tjoe Min Ja

Not Voting

[1] - Gliffie

[pisskop]

Most notably

Victor has been on scum almost the

whole time

. Is he that good, or bussing the bus?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Victor has been on scum almost the

whole time

. Is he that good, or bussing the bus?

Blatantly I'm that good.

[bji]

Most notably

Victor has been on scum almost the

whole time

. Is he that good, or bussing the bus?

post 915. VDA jumped off of the Titus wagon and onto TMJ. Amazing that he'd jump from one scum to another.

This was weird:

I'll admit the wagon is quick, but now we're not lynching Ari and the deadline is approaching there is a degree of urgency so fast wagons will kinda happen.

Here he's talking about the TMJ wagon that he just tried to start up. But at this point Titus was at 4 votes (5 up until VDA left the Titus wagon to vote TMJ). I'd really like to understand why he jumped off of Titus and onto TMJ. Perhaps preferred a lynch of the useless TMJ scum partner to the useful Titus scum partner? If you're going to get town cred for lynching a scum buddy, I too would have preferred to lynch TMJ over Titus ...

[pisskop]

I'm really unnerved by how uncanny his aim has been.

[bji]

I didn't see what you said about him. You can requote it if you want to. I included him for the same reason as you.

It's like five or six posts up on the same page here. Please don't use the tired excuse that others have used that my post is too long so you didn't read it. We've had four or five days now with no posting at all, it can't be that hard to find some time to read what's happened since the thread unlocked ...

Anyway, I'll make it easy on you and just extract the part that is relevant here (and so as not to be accused of hiding anything, please be aware that a good bit of the rest of my post above talks about you):

I agree that the Pea Brain slot is highly suspicious at this point. My reasoning is almost entirely based on SW's freak out. Now that we know that TMJ is scum, it explains alot. It would seem that SW was upset because she knew she didn't have much of a scum team to rely on. TMJ was obviously not going to be much help. It seems very likely that SW felt like the rest of her team wasn't helping or wasn't going to be helpful either, and got frustrated when she, as the only "good" player on the team, was the one the wagon was forming on. So who else would SW have perceived as an unhelpful or maybe even hostile scum partner, to the extent that she felt like she'd rather quit than play with that team?

Pea Brain looks like a likely candidate. His multi-voting on SW almost looks like a really mocking form of bussing. Maybe SW got really frustrated by that.

[pisskop]

unvote

vote: VDA

Pending a better look at your scumhunting.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Most notably

Victor has been on scum almost the

whole time

. Is he that good, or bussing the bus?

post 915. VDA jumped off of the Titus wagon and onto TMJ. Amazing that he'd jump from one scum to another.

It's like there were two scum and I was happy as larry to lynch either.

This was weird:

I'll admit the wagon is quick, but now we're not lynching Ari and the deadline is approaching there is a degree of urgency so fast wagons will kinda happen.

Here he's talking about the TMJ wagon that he just tried to start up. But at this point Titus was at 4 votes (5 up until VDA left the Titus wagon to vote TMJ). I'd really like to understand why he jumped off of Titus and onto TMJ. Perhaps preferred a lynch of the useless TMJ scum partner to the useful Titus scum partner? If you're going to get town cred for lynching a scum buddy, I too would have preferred to lynch TMJ over Titus ...

TMJ was obvscum, SW/Titus was likely scum. Obvscum is a better vote than likely scum.

I'm really unnerved by how uncanny his aim has been.

Why? Are you not used to people being able to catch scum. I mean, I'm all for singing my praises, but I don't think either SW or TMJ were particularly hard to catch.

I didn't see what you said about him. You can requote it if you want to. I included him for the same reason as you.

It's like five or six posts up on the same page here. Please don't use the tired excuse that others have used that my post is too long so you didn't read it. We've had four or five days now with no posting at all, it can't be that hard to find some time to read what's happened since the thread unlocked ...

Anyway, I'll make it easy on you and just extract the part that is relevant here (and so as not to be accused of hiding anything, please be aware that a good bit of the rest of my post above talks about you):

I agree that the Pea Brain slot is highly suspicious at this point. My reasoning is almost entirely based on SW's freak out. Now that we know that TMJ is scum, it explains alot. It would seem that SW was upset because she knew she didn't have much of a scum team to rely on. TMJ was obviously not going to be much help. It seems very likely that SW felt like the rest of her team wasn't helping or wasn't going to be helpful either, and got frustrated when she, as the only "good" player on the team, was the one the wagon was forming on. So who else would SW have perceived as an unhelpful or maybe even hostile scum partner, to the extent that she felt like she'd rather quit than play with that team?

Pea Brain looks like a likely candidate. His multi-voting on SW almost looks like a really mocking form of bussing. Maybe SW got really frustrated by that.

That's all well and good, but what's any of that got to do with Texcat?

[VictorDeAngelo]

unvote

vote: VDA

Pending a better look at your scumhunting.

Wow, your seriously voting me for voting scum.

[evilpacman18]

I thought from a quick look at the vote counts that Gliffie and West9 come off the worst

[bji]

[quote="In post 1365, VictorDeAngelo"
That's all well and good, but what's any of that got to do with Texcat?[/quote]

Right you are. I got confused with all of the replacements. It's actually ChaosOmega that replaced Pea Brain. So it's ChaosOmega that my suspicions in this regards concern.

[texcat]

When I saw the spoiler in the open of day post with Johnny's last words, I was sure I was going to see:

Spoiler: Johnny's last last words

There's too much anger in Mafia.

[texcat]

I'm going to get to my West post eventually, I promise. No word on the neighbor situation?

[texcat]

There are 8 of us left, and I think the consensus is that we have only 1 scum left. Let's do the process of elimination that I went through last night. First eliminate the town claims, Pisskop and Ari; Pisskop because he's not had an investigative role cc him and Ari because we hope is role is eventually provable. Next I eliminated those who seemed instrumental in the lynch of SW/Titus: Pisskop again and Bji. I finally I eliminated Victor and PBrain/ChaosOmega who voted SW throughout the Day, not just at the end. And we are left with Pacman and West. I eliminated myself obviously. Yall will have to do your own work here -- cause I don't see any good reason to eliminate Aero/Gliffe/me without knowing my alignment. (Of course, I wasn't really looking for a reason, either.)

I'm not saying that those I eliminated can't be scum, but I certainly think that they are less likely to be scum and not worthy of our focus atm.

tl;dr My reads from town to scum:
Pisskop
Ari
Bji
Victor
PBrain/ChaosO
Pacman
West

[pisskop]

We have a lot of time to get this right. We could literally lynch by suspicion claims.

West and EPM are good choices.

[bji]

Ari because we hope is role is eventually provable.

If Ari proves his neighborizer role, how certain will you be that he's town neighborizer and not scum neighborizer? I can't remember all of the discussion surrounding this but I thought the conclusion was that neighborizer could be scum, but more likely would be town. Does everyone agree with that?

[evilpacman18]

Bad idea to eliminate the people who voted for SW and/or TJM. Just look at how hard Titus was trying to get rid of TJM. Homestly Victor is not a bad vote but I'll go into depth when I'm on a computer about who our best choices are based on the votes