Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

[Cheetory6]

Votecount 3.02

texcat

[1] - West9

West9

[1] - texcat

VictorDeAngelo

- pisskop

ChaosOmega

[1] - bji

bji

[1] - VictorDeAngelo

Not Voting

[3] - Aristophanes, ChaosOmega, evilpacman18

With

8

alive, it's

5

to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Thursday, April 16th, @ 12:00 PM EST, which is in (expired on 2015-04-16 12:00:00).

[bji]

Egh. I was kinda thinking that this was one of those "newb-bji trying to back-up a scumread and in the process seeing every action that someone made in a scummy light" things again, but this is actually super gross. As is his ignoring of most of 1417.

Not sure what you'd have me do. I made my points, he made his counter points. Any response I make is likely to just be me reiterating my points and him reiterating his counter points. We've been through this before, and no one liked it.

OK so people don't see anything in my case against VDA. That's fine; it's not an airtight case, it's suspicion based upon hunches. I'm not voting VDA, but I'm not backing down when he asks me why I found him suspicious. I'm not going to pretend like I don't have any suspicions. I laid my reasons out numerous times already. Take them for what they're worth (which in the opinion of texcat and West, is not much, apparently).

All I hear though is people telling me who is innocent. So texcat and West, if it's not VDA or Pea Brain, who is it? Who should we be voting for?

Also, Victor, if the day 1 and day 2 scum were so obvious, can you say who the obvious day 3 scum is?

[texcat]

Bji, I'm convinced that West is the scum. Could you take a look at him?

[West9]

I'm not voting VDA, but I'm not backing down when he asks me why I found him suspicious.

But apparently backing down once he pokes some pretty significant holes in your case? Also, are we really already going to the past tense there

lololololol now texcat is trying to get others to make her scumWest case for her. Apparently avoiding her scummy error isn't enough?

[bji]

I'm not voting VDA, but I'm not backing down when he asks me why I found him suspicious.

But apparently backing down once he pokes some pretty significant holes in your case? Also, are we really already going to the past tense there

His holes are a matter of opinion/conjecture, as is my case against him. I think there's enough there for reasonable suspicion even if you or he does not. If you really, really want me to, I'll do a point by point response to his post 1417 if you think the argument is really worthwhile.

In terms of the tense, that's a pretty nitpicky thing to focus on. I still find him suspicious, if you're looking for clarification of my statement.

@texcat, I'll look at West's ISO, but not tonight, maybe tomorrow.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Also, Victor, if the day 1 and day 2 scum were so obvious, can you say who the obvious day 3 scum is?

Not with any degree of certainty I'm afraid (and I don't know if I ever went as far as to say that SW/Titus was obvscum).

[bji]

Also, Victor, if the day 1 and day 2 scum were so obvious, can you say who the obvious day 3 scum is?

Not with any degree of certainty I'm afraid (and I don't know if I ever went as far as to say that SW/Titus was obvscum).

Correct. Your ISO confirms it. I misremembered.

I call a truce. I thought my case against you had merit but no one else does and I'm tired of arguing it. You can continue to go after me if you want, even lynch me if you can, but I'm going to look elsewhere. I'll start with a look back at the wonderful world of West tomorrow sometime. I will also look at Gliffie and Pacman since they seem to have some interest. At this point I trust pisskop's judgement and will probably be willing to join him on any wagon he feels strongly about.

I also feel like Ari, now that he's neighborizer confirmed, has lost any sense of urgency he may ever had about this game.

[bji]

Also with regards to your (VDA's) massclaim suggestion, I'd be willing to do it. I am not entirely certain what it accomplishes since I've never been a part of such a thing, but if everyone else thinks it's a good idea, I'll go along.

[texcat]

I don't think it's a very good idea. What would we learn? I don't think we need to put pressure on our power roles who will either have to claim accurately and become fodder for scum or will have to lie, and lying will only confuse things for town. I think the PRs themselves are the best judges of when to claim based on what info they have and the game state.

[pisskop]

We dont need to massclaim, we need to start pressuring those who dont have good reasons to be considered town.
. I stand by my lynching pool of

Texcat
West
VDA
EPM

The Johnny kill was odd, but perhaps the scum was trying to eliminate more PRs.

[Count Dooku]

V/LA until Monday

[Count Dooku]

V/LA until Monday

Wrong one, I am really sorry...

[bji]

V/LA until Monday

A voice from the grave!!! Spooky!

[VictorDeAngelo]

Choas Omega, EPM, don't let the dead players outpost. Get in here and tell us what your thinking?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Choas Omega, EPM, don't let the dead players outpost you. Get in here and tell us what your thinking?

That makes more sense.

[texcat]

Should we talk about why Johnny is dead?

I actually had him very close to the top of the scum list during my read thru. He seems an odd choice for NK.

[Aristophanes]

I have to reread a Scum-West game to see if this kill would make sense in his meta. I'm torn right now on it.

He, Johnny, Cheet and I all play on another site, in case anyone was wondering (I can't remember if it has come up before).

I agree with PK's "lynchpool" but have to look back to see where exactly I stand with regards to each player.
I guess I have homework to do.

My one worry is a PK informed third-party. If we find what I presume to be the last Mafia by whittling down the pool, he would be in a good spot to take the game if so. He would also be free to play townleader as he has been, as he would be anti-mafia.
Just saying, it's worth a look at when we get close to endgame.

[VictorDeAngelo]

UNVOTE:

Looking back over the VCA, I'm no longer as sure on BJI. I sense I could just be confusing bad play with scum play. If you are town BJI, don't be too surprised if I have some advice at the end of the game.

I have to reread a Scum-West game to see if this kill would make sense in his meta. I'm torn right now on it.

If you get the chance, could you also see how he busses, as I wondering whether to clear him based on his votes on SW. At the very least, I'm not interested in lynching West at this point.

My one worry is a PK informed third-party. If we find what I presume to be the last Mafia by whittling down the pool, he would be in a good spot to take the game if so. He would also be free to play townleader as he has been, as he would be anti-mafia.

It's somewhat unlikely. If PK is third party that would mean SK in a mini normal. And that seems unlikely given what is already known about the setup. In the unlikely event there was a SK it is often the case that there is only a two man scumteam, and in that case I think these guy would be far less likelier to bus.

I have two main leads in mind for the last scum, but I need specific people to start talking again to be sure. So I'm somewhat at a waiting game.

[evilpacman18]

Prodded. Busy weekend, I'll post tonight or tomorrow morning

[ChaosOmega]

Busy weekend. Will make a real post tomorrow.

[West9]

The Johnny kill was odd, but perhaps the scum was trying to eliminate more PRs.

Texcat came straight out of the gates pushing for a West lynch. Johnny would have been maybe the hardest person to get to support a West lynch. Therefore, Johnny needed to go.

[pisskop]

Where do you see that?

[West9]

West had several options for a vote here and chose to hop on a diminishing Titus wagon. Could be good foresight in bussing, looks more likely town to me.

West over Gliffie?

Gliffie, Why would a phantom SK kill Dooku? Why would you assume additional killing roles at this early juncture?

I mean I was setting the trap to say that and now you ruined it

*insert puffy cheek angry anime girl image*

At the very least, this stuff shows that Johnny would have been hesitant to a West lynch (the first one and maybe the second one) and relatively open to a Gliffieslot one (maybe the second one and the last two). Texcat needs people who are the opposite of that right now.

[pisskop]

@1178

Gliffie, Why would a phantom SK kill Dooku? Why would you assume additional killing roles at this early juncture?

Because he is scumz.

See, West was saying Gliffie is likely scum, not West is likely town.

[pisskop]

@1178

Gliffie, Why would a phantom SK kill Dooku? Why would you assume additional killing roles at this early juncture?

Because he is scumz.

See, *Johnny* was saying Gliffie is likely scum, not West is likely town.

Eb Wop