Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

xRECKONERx · Sat May 09, 2015 9:48 am

ive been voting TS for awhile

xRECKONERx · Sun May 10, 2015 12:16 pm

i generally agree with shos's post

xRECKONERx · Mon May 11, 2015 5:15 am

I would lynch shos as well but I'm not moving my vote off of TS unless it's to hammer.

xRECKONERx · Mon May 11, 2015 7:59 am

When I asked the mod about my message he blatantly answered me and said he did not mean for it to appear it was from another player.

xRECKONERx · Mon May 11, 2015 8:03 am

quil just said tier is town and then left my team topic

i want to hit him

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 11:15 am

In post 4305, shos wrote:Lol @ quil being town btw
My entire team was following and scumreading him

that's bc you're all bad

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 11:16 am

VOTE: shos

gg

@Wis what was your result from ieces track

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 11:29 am

i cant for the life of me understand why NS died instead of iece

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 11:34 am

so if it's shos who's the third?

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 11:41 am

but it's not me though

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 11:44 am

oh yeah remember the bullshit fight i had with tier earlier when he was trying to discredit my reads by saying I was tying Cabd/Ceph together?

That may actually point to Ceph being scum due to Tier trying to make me tie them together... but... Ceph is the one who just blew up shos's claim, so I don't know

p.edit: if i eliminate me, you, ceph, iece, and grey (since your theory is that grey's claim confirmed NS that makes grey town yes?) then that only leaves tbone

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 12:06 pm

I was the track?

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 12:07 pm

Also framer wouldn't affect tracker unless it was a modified framer

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 12:14 pm

Could be

UT told me he blesses the T-Bone lynch by jizzing on my forehead

That's all I've got

xRECKONERx · Wed May 13, 2015 2:43 pm

Actually I suppose Iece could be scum

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 3:56 am

Uhhh... so...

Ceph is saying he targeted shos N2.
shos is saying he didn't get a result N2.

WHY, exactly, are we lynching outside of these two, Wisdom?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:01 am

In post 4379, Wisdom wrote:Because they are both town

shut your fat fucking mouth

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:02 am

In post 4380, shos wrote:@reck, read the game please.

I did. I even read your posts, at the risk of giving myself an arterial embolism, and I still don't understand how you talked your way out of it.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:08 am

why isn't it shos v ceph

ceph still seems to think it is but shos doesn't so WHAT IS GOING ON

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:10 am

ceph can you explain to me why it's not you vs shos

p.edit: Why does the vote switch happen?

It'd be shos v Ceph because CEPH IS CLAIMING TO HAVE TARGETED SHOS N2 and SHOS IS SAYING HE DIDN'T.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:10 am

*why does it matter, not happen

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:11 am

In post 4393, Wisdom wrote:BUT WE KNOW HE DID

In post 4395, Wisdom wrote:SO HOW IS CEPH SCUM

Oh, I'm not saying we would lynch Ceph today, I'm saying their claims are in direct contradiction with each other

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:12 am

I'm asking why you're not voting shos right fucking now

shos seems to be pushing that Ceph came out of the woodwork with this too late and is trying to discredit him by making up shit about his claim

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:13 am

this claim is worse than Tier's 1s self invent

p.edit: I guess nothing actually makes Ceph scum since he confirmed his ability. It reads to me like shos just fucked up his claim and is scum

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:14 am

In post 4402, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4400, xRECKONERx wrote:I'm asking why you're not voting shos right fucking now

BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING TOWN.

Is it so hard to consider there is an alternative that causes both Ceph and shos to be town? For example, Tbone blocking shos N2?

Except T-Bone is basically confirmed to have blocked Rhinox N2

because nobody got a visit from Rhinox's Loud Doctor

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 am

Also it's a HUGE LEAP to say that T-Bone decided to fake that he BLOCKED THE DEAD DOCTOR instead of doing something people could believe as town and claiming he blocked shos.

Your theory would have to mean that T-Bone blocked shos... NOBODY got Rhinox's loud notification... shos's ability didn't work because it is an active self-watch that actually targets (lol)... and T-Bone somehow knew the right thing to claim was to have blocked the dead doctor, thereby making him look like shit?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 am

The sequence of events that would lead to T-Bone blocking shos but claiming to block Rhinox just takes fucking moonbeams on moonbeams to actually swallow

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:20 am

In post 4406, Wisdom wrote:No, the claim is fine. Either Tbone blocked shos N2 or something else we don't know about happened. shos is town.

pedit: Or Rhinox just targeted scum.

OR, AND BEAR WITH ME HERE

OR

THE SIMPLEST ANSWER IS THAT SHOS IS BULLSHITTING

It's just as easy to say "T-Bone is telling the truth" as it is to say "maybe shos is telling the truth" and in fact I find it a lot easier to believe T-Bone over shos.

IF T-BONE IS TELLING THE TRUTH

- shos is just lying scum who fucked up his claim, the end

IF SHOS IS TELLING THE TRUTH

- T-Bone blocked shos
- T-Bone claimed to have targeted the dead doctor
- Rhinox had to target scum with his ability
- Scum had to know to strategically not claim the Rhinox visit

The scenario where shos is town requires a SHITLOAD of foresight and predictive play by scum, with a lot of setup knowledge

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:21 am

In post 4413, Cephrir wrote:shos, role unclaimed at that point: "someone blocked me"

what

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:25 am

In post 4421, Wisdom wrote:fuck this. You are all fucking terrible. SHOS IS TOWN and im not touching him.

from the guy who called tier town half the game

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:25 am

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:26 am

wisdom shut the fuck up

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:27 am

no T-Bone

in no situation does any jump in logic make Ceph scum, what scenario makes Ceph scum?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:27 am

In post 4429, Wisdom wrote:no you fucking shut the fuck up. I am not letting this obvious scumpush on shos succeed.

Okay you can talk after you say three hail marys and write each individual time you were aggressively, violently wrong this game on the chalkboard

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:31 am

What?

Okay, no -- if T-Bone is scum, then why would he FAKECLAIM having blocked the DEAD DOCTOR who everyone was READING AS TOWN? That's suicidal. And it also relies on one of his scumbuddies being the one protected by Rhinox, and relies on that person NOT claiming they were protected by Rhinox.

Scum wouldn't have been told they were targeted by Rhinox until start of D3. How would they have had time to get their claim right? The only way that works is if scum have daytalk/encryptor... and work very fast. Because T-Bone claimed pretty quickly at the start of D3, didn't leave much time to strategize.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:31 am

In post 4435, shos wrote:MS is spamming the fuck out of the team PT guys I'll take a while to post it and then I'll keep reading

literally nobody in this game gives a flying fuck what Metal Sonic has to say about anything

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:32 am

In post 4433, Wisdom wrote:There we go with the discrediting again. Gotta discredit Wisdom so we mislynch shos gais.

or just because you're so easy and so fun to discredit that it's sort of my hobby

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:41 am

In post 4444, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4437, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 4435, shos wrote:MS is spamming the fuck out of the team PT guys I'll take a while to post it and then I'll keep reading

literally nobody in this game gives a flying fuck what Metal Sonic has to say about anything

I do.

that's because you're bad

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:41 am

just like MS!

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:42 am

In post 4446, Wisdom wrote:shos would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia. And ESPECIALLY after Tier fucked up his. I don't know what the explanation is, I don't know if Tbone blocked him or something else that we don't know about happened, but shos is not scum.

the game: 'here's a situation and facts and logic'
you: 'no fuck that no way because it is impossible for scum to mess up a fakeclaim in a convoluted game like this'
the game: 'but there arent that many explanations for how--'
you: 'LA LA LA LA LA SHUT UP SHOS IS TOWN I REFUSE TO LISTEN'

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:42 am

In post 4446, Wisdom wrote:shos would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.

T-Bone would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.
TierShift would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.
Iece would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:42 am

In post 4452, Wisdom wrote:logic is for scum. I only listen to my gut.

you're shit

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:43 am

Wisdom can listen to his gut and keep fellating bad players and chasing lynches on town and being aggressively, offenseively, obscenely wrong

I'll keep trying to figure the game out B)

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:44 am

In post 4455, Wisdom wrote:And its been completely accurate so far soooo

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xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:45 am

In post 2121, Wisdom wrote:@Iecerint I am pretty sure Tier is town, I had already picked up townvibes from him while I was reading but even if I had doubts, my exchange with him a few pages ago convinced me. This is town-Tier.

I could consider ns, but I have felt he is town, too. imo Tbone is the one who makes the most sense as the third scum.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:45 am

In post 2567, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: Ceph

I agree with Tier that this feels too easy. I want to lynch Ceph or Reck first. According to what we discussed yesterday, Tbone scum means Reck scum, but not vice versa, meaning if Tbone somehow flips town Reck can still be scum, but if Reck flips town then Tbone is also town. This makes Reck a better lynch than Tbone.

In post 2897, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2894, TierShift wrote:Yeah I wanna lynch T-bone and be through with this day if NS isn't going to be here and respond

VOTE: tbone

yeah lets lynch more town cabd wasnt enough

that awkward moment when you're defending your current push target from flipped scum who you called town

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:46 am

In post 3240, Wisdom wrote:@ns

Tier is my only townread other than you right now, and the only person I am not touching. Your reasoning on him is identical to mine on Ceph, so excuse me if I don't care about it.

You also apparently haven't read, because you try to argue Tbone is town with the same arguments *I* am using for Tbone-town.

In post 3339, Wisdom wrote:no i dont know who to lynch. My strongest theory lies in tbone/reck, but I can also see tbone-town for the reasons I have said and ns/mastin repeated. My early gut said Ceph and Iece, and teaming up against me or my townreads just makes me want to make you disappear. At times I can see shos-scum, but most of the time I think he's town. ns is town, Grey is town, Tier is town.

I think I'll just keep my vote on Reck.

In post 3372, Wisdom wrote:ok I'll try to help with that.

Grey: We are not lynching shos and I don't understand why you even voted him. You think Tbone is scum, you agree with me Reck is a very likely buddy, come vote Reck with me.

ns: Leave Tier alone. We are not lynching him today. You say that my read on Reck could be correct, work with me and join me there.

Tbone: Iece is not happening today. Join me on Reck.

Tier: Same things I told shos. If you think Tbone is scum, you should agree that Reck is also likely scum. Come join me there.

In post 3720, Wisdom wrote:i dont give a fuck anymore

i want this game to end

VOTE: tier

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:48 am

In post 3739, Wisdom wrote:dont play good guy to me. you fakeclaimed successfully, congrats, now wait for someone to mislynch tier so you can be happy and win

In post 3884, Wisdom wrote:Iece/Ceph/Tier.

In post 3885, Wisdom wrote:Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

In post 4126, Wisdom wrote:I'm at Tier/Grey/{Reck/Ceph/Tbone} right now

In post 4159, Wisdom wrote:I reread the exchange and I think grey is scum and tbone is town.

Tier/Grey/Reck.

In post 4234, Wisdom wrote:Still Tier/Grey/Reck, still needs hammer.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:49 am

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:DID I OR NOT CATCH TIER

oh you mean after everyone else was pushing him already?

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:DID I SAY THAT CABD IS FLIPPING TOWN OR NOT?

oh you mean after waffling on him a hundred times?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:49 am

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:WHAT I SAY IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE OF THE DAY IS IRRELEVANT.

LMAO

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:50 am

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:WHAT I SAY IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE OF THE DAY IS IRRELEVANT.

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:WHAT I SAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY IS IRRELEVANT.

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:WHAT I SAY IN THE DAY IS IRRELEVANT.

In post 4464, Wisdom wrote:WHAT I SAY IS IRRELEVANT.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:50 am

In post 4469, Wisdom wrote:Why the fuck didn't we lynch Reck when we could?

because im town, and you're shit

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:53 am

In post 4472, Wisdom wrote:if you are town you are the worst player Ive ever seen. Trying to discredit other players you fucking know they are town instead of trying to win the game.

Nah I just really, really, really fucking hate you as a person.

You're obnoxious, grating, arrogantly wrong. You're shit at this game but think you are god's gift. You are on a team with more players just like you.

When UT heard you were in this game with me, he apologized immediately. I didn't know why. I now do. You're just the worst.

That has nothing to do with my read on you, but if I'm being forced to stick it out and be in a game with you, I'm going to make sure every step of the way you're aware of how wrong and terrible you are, and maybe, just maybe, by doing that I can stop other town from following you.

Don't you worry, scum are just LOVING you right now if you're actually town

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:56 am

In post 4475, Wisdom wrote:UT hasn't played with town-me even once, so excuse me while I don't believe you for a second.

You should take pride -- that means your bullshit is becoming INFAMOUS! You've made a name for yourself, Wisdom! You did it! For being aggressively useless, wrong, and offensive to most people with half a brain, you've earned a reputation and a name! You're the Kim Kardashian of MafiaScum!

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:57 am

In post 4477, Wisdom wrote:You just don't understand my playstyle.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 4:58 am

In post 4479, Wisdom wrote:But regardless of whether you understand it or not: If you are town you are playing against your wincon when you forget about scumhunting and post just to spite another town. And this makes you fucking terrible at this game.

Oh I'm not forgetting my wincon! My wincon is to eliminate all the scum, and you're either scum, or a town liability, so spiting you is right up my alley.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:02 am

In post 4483, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4478, xRECKONERx wrote:You should take pride -- that means your bullshit is becoming INFAMOUS! You've made a name for yourself, Wisdom! You did it! For being aggressively useless, wrong, and offensive to most people with half a brain, you've earned a reputation and a name! You're the Kim Kardashian of MafiaScum!

That's too bad, because I am actually a pretty fucking good player and everyone who has played with me thinks so, so excuse me while I don't give a single shit what nobodies who never played with me say!

when you throw a thousand darts and hit the bullseye a couple of times, im sure it looks super impressive when it's just the bullseye being examined in context

expand your scope a little bit, see all the poor bar patrons you stuck through the temple and are bleeding out on the floor

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:03 am

In post 4483, Wisdom wrote:That's too bad, because I am actually a pretty fucking good player and
everyone who has played with me thinks so
, so excuse me while I don't give a single shit what nobodies who never played with me say!

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:03 am

In post 4483, Wisdom wrote:That's too bad, because I am actually a pretty fucking good player and everyone who has played with me thinks so, so
excuse me while I don't give a single shit what nobodies
who never played with me say!

RECKONER & UNTROD TRIPOD: NOBODIES

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:05 am

can u plz provide me with testimonials from players who think ur the gr8st

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:07 am

nah im good

why are you playing against your wincon by trying to lynch town wisdom huh huh?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:20 am

k

Hey Iece, Quil wants your reads plz

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:31 am

In post 4499, shos wrote:22. reck fuck off (dunno about what lol) scum don't fuck up claims in team mafia,(I said this before!!) consider that they have practically 12 players on a single team to best their fakeclaims and make them failproof. (AGREED)

counterpoint, tiershift

counterpoint, if tbone is scum like you seem to think then he fucked up his claim several times

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:31 am

In post 4500, shos wrote:
In post 4436, xRECKONERx wrote:What?

Okay, no -- if T-Bone is scum, then why would he FAKECLAIM having blocked the DEAD DOCTOR who everyone was READING AS TOWN? That's suicidal. And it also relies on one of his scumbuddies being the one protected by Rhinox, and relies on that person NOT claiming they were protected by Rhinox.

Scum wouldn't have been told they were targeted by Rhinox until start of D3. How would they have had time to get their claim right? The only way that works is if scum have daytalk/encryptor... and work very fast. Because T-Bone claimed pretty quickly at the start of D3, didn't leave much time to strategize.

lol, I realize that MS has commented on this before me, lol

Reck, scum MADE THE KILL. the could plan it at night, no need for daytalk, even.

THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW HE WAS THE KILL OR A DOCTOR OR THAT HE WOULD GIVE OUT LOUD RESULT

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:33 am

THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW A DOCTOR OR THAT HE WOULD GIVE OUT LOUD RESULTS

is what my above post should say

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:33 am

KNOW HE WAS A DOCTOR

i give up

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:34 am

nah im good

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:34 am

you can suck his cock in peace later

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:53 am

In post 4516, shos wrote:are you kidding me?
scum didn't know he was the kill?
also there are more than one way of knowing he was loud doc. who did he target N1, again.?

i dont remember who he targeted n1

also read literally the next post about how I misstyped and corrected myself before grandstanding based on the one part of my post I fixed, jesus christ

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:56 am

maybe loud doesn't mean what we think it means, hm

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 5:57 am

although... hm

If it DOES mean what we think it means, then scum were targeted N1, found out Rhinox targeted them (do they know it's doc?) and then killed him N2. So I doubt they blocked Rhinox AND killed him, meaning T-Bone would've blocked shos, I guess.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:23 am

In post 4529, shos wrote:viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58377
MS blabbed a lot on this link, saying that reck can definitely be scum, he caught him in first few posts and reck spiting him made him replace out and then reck fliped third party or something??

what the fuck is this shit

I was third party in that game. I claimed I wasn't town in my first post. I was trying to win with town, so my scumhunting was genuine

tell MS to shut the fuck up

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:26 am

and uh I just ctrl+F'd his hydra's name in that game and i mentioned them a grand total of TWICE

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:27 am

"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"

those are really similar and also im not even sure what hte second one means

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:40 am

In post 4537, Iecerint wrote:@Reck, Quil will have to wait for the time being for what I would imagine are obvious reasons.

No I have no idea why

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:44 am

I really don't think I want to lynch T-Bone today

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:45 am

In post 4540, Iecerint wrote:
In post 4536, xRECKONERx wrote:"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"

those are really similar and also im not even sure what hte second one means

The latter is presumably when you send a night action to the mod and he sends a PM back that says "Confirmed" or something similar, indicating that he received the action.

After Tier's flip, I assume that scum have fakeclaims, so I am not that concerned about the similarity.

Pedit: Idk @Ceph, I feel like T-Bone has a sketchy enough ability use track record that he could probably use an argument like "One of them had to be scum so I blocked them" and do whatever he wanted.

confirming an action to the wrong player is literally something I've never heard of before

TO me, it sounds like shos getting lost in translation while coming up w/ a fakeclaim

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 6:59 am

@iece: doesn't that mean shos is scum from your POV

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 7:11 am

shos scum just makes a lot of sense right now

Still need to wait for GI

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 9:14 am

oh you mean the 1 dead scum Framer seems underpowered?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 9:49 am

In post 4575, shos wrote:@reck 4533: third party=scum. he DID catch you and you went lord of fucks and made him replace out, sadly. the point he is making is that reck can definitely be abrasive as a means to an end.

I FUCKING CLAIMED THIRD PARTY. OPENLY.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 14, 2015 9:50 am

god okay again, nobody gives a fuck what metal sonic has to say so he can stop wasting his time

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:03 am

HAHAHAHA OH MAN

HEY WISDOM HOW TOWN WAS SHOS AGAIN?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:05 am

just want to point out how riiiight i waaaas

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:05 am

ceph is town, im town.

the three of you are a mystery honestly

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:05 am

after how hard wis tried to derail that shos lynch and his awkward about-face on tiershift i sort of want to lynch him, but

he seems townish otherwise and mollie was really town.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:09 am

if we're going to No Lynch to get results then we need to decide that before any more actual content discussion takes place

I vote we DON'T do it

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:16 am

I think we don't do it because there are too many options where we get poor results.

Although GreyICE is in the running, so like... here's how I see it:

Wis & myself are "unconfirmed" right now. GreyICE has the power to check us and see if we have night actions. So...

IF GREYICE IS TOWN... scum either have to kill GreyICE or let him confirm me/Wis. I'm fine with this, because it clears up some shit for us... GI is a big ? right now so killing him helps us.
IF GREYICE IS SCUM... then he'll have to fake a result on me/Wis and either confirm us or lie and make it a 1v1. Either way, he'll end up giving town an advantage.

Actually, right now, if we no lynch, I expect Ceph to die. I'm still a big ? that requires confirmation. Ceph is pretty damn town with his ability use and catching shos as scum yesterday.

A full night also gives us time to read up and go over dead scum connections.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:41 am

In what world do I make sense, T-Bone?

I was a primary mechanism in getting both Tier and shos lynched, even through screaming opposition.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:42 am

Guys it actually just might be GreyICE

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:48 am

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info	Fakeclaim
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
TierShift	"When the Mod Messes Up Investigations"	Framer		Lynched D3	1-shot self-inventor "When the mod forgets to send a role PM"
notscience	"When the Mod Posts the Flip Too Early"	Doublevoter	Hated	Killed N3.. GreyICE says he has no night actions
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Vengeful Night Skipper		Lynched D4	Modified Self-Watcher
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox N3 tracked Grey, gave to Wisdom
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	????? N1 Switched shos and NS' votes on N2 ????? N3
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability. N2: notscience does not have a night ability. N3: shos has a night ability
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Eddie N1 Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere. Blocked Rhinox N2 Blocked Reck N3
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2 Messaged ???? D3 Messaged ???? D4
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:53 am

In post 4653, T-Bone wrote:To be honest Reck I have no fucking clue. Iece tracked grey to shos. That's one hell of a planned bus.

I mean what else would Grey do with the role if he was scum?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:54 am

also look @ how bad the two fakeclaimed flavors were.

im trying to figure out which of the five remaining claims doesn't fit

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:54 am

"When the mod messes up the VC" and "When the mod keeps score" make the most sense I think?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 5:55 am

"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends" is a mouthful

"When the mod forgets a night action" sounds pretty standard

"When the mod just has to comment" is another one of those big ????? things for me

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:01 am

oooo grey v wis

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:03 am

I'm starting to think I might prefer a Wis lynch today just from a setup perspective.

I would prefer Wis or Ceph, from that POV, but I REALLY think it's not Ceph (more than I think it's not Wisdom).

If we lynch Wis, then night actions go like this:
- Grey checks me
- T-Bone blocks me or Ceph
- T-Bone claims, then Grey claims

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:04 am

@MOD: What is your rule for successive nights without kills?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:15 am

In post 4679, Wisdom wrote:You've openly scumclaimed to me, that was a mistake.

elaborate

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:15 am

In post 4673, Cephrir wrote:Why do you think we did, reck?

wat

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:48 am

In post 4690, Cephrir wrote:I can't help but picture T-Bone dancing around his computer right now.

this tbh

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:53 am

my team is yelling at me to lynch GreyICE

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:53 am

but they've basically been wrong about everything

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:54 am

In post 4683, Wisdom wrote:There's no fucking way he thinks I am scum. There's no fucking way anyone thinks I'm scum.

your play is lynchable

mollie's play is your only saving grace so id be thanking her rn

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 6:57 am

and even with all of that I think I prefer to lynch Wis over GI for setup reasons

Im more okay with where our gamestate ends up after Wis lynch if we're wrong vs where it ends up after GI lynch if we're wrong

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:17 am

In post 4700, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4696, xRECKONERx wrote:for setup reasons

Please clarify this!

If we lynch Grey and we're wrong... we lose an investigative role that could clear me overnight.

If we lynch Wis and we're wrong... we lose nothing, really, and we can still negotiate to coordinate T-Bone/Grey actions.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:20 am

In post 4708, Wisdom wrote:if you lynch wis and you are wrong you might potentially have a tbone/grey/x lylo and fuck it up.

And the flip side of that is a tbone/wis/x lylo where you and tbone go back to the same shit youve been hammering on for the past five thousand pages the X is stuck putting a gun in their mouth

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:23 am

In post 4712, Wisdom wrote:still better than tbone/grey/x

and seriously how the fuck can you entertain the idea im scum?

Because you have played like a fucking schizophrenic on LSD riding a pogo stick and have hard defended both dead scum

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:24 am

If we're wrong, scum is just going to setup T-Bone vs Grey/Wis with either me/Ceph stuck making the choice and I might actually literally vomit

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:26 am

yeah, i know

This is just a barrel of dicks.

I would actually probably still prefer to NL? Because scum would kill either me or Ceph anyway and then we'd get results. Or, they'd kill one of you two and clear this up.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:29 am

In post 4720, GreyICE wrote:
Can anyone answer why it would be better for scum-me to lynch scum-Shos over town-Tbone yesterday?

You would've already put the bus into place N3... meaning that you couldn't really take it back after the track result was floating out there.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:30 am

i really hope im not wrong about ceph

i cant remember now why he's so town but i think he is

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:31 am

me and ceph are bffs now after a rough start and it always makes me wary when I realize someone has put themselves in my blind spot

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:32 am

In post 4724, Cephrir wrote:because i lynched shos yesterday

so did like...several people

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:34 am

you counterclaiming him days after the claim is just as easily "a pre-planned scum QT bus scenario" as GreyICE targeting shos with his ability to setup a confirmable bus

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:35 am

Fucking hell. Goddammit.

NOBODY MAKES SENSE AS SCUM. I LITERALLY TYPED AND DELETED A GREYICE VOTE BECAUSE OF HOW ABSURD IT IS THAT HE WOULD GO THROUGH WITH THE BUDDY TARGET.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:36 am

Because targeting his buddy in a pre-planned bus when neither of them were likely going to be lynched the next day is just wombo

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:37 am

In post 4656, xRECKONERx wrote:
Player Role Flavor Role Additional role Additional info Fakeclaim
Katsuki
"When the mod forgets to lock the thread" 1-shot Thread Unlocker Miller Lynched D1
Bins
"When the mod ties alignment to flavor" Conditional Cop Killed N1
Cabd
"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers" Limited Vote Mover Lynched D2.
Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox
When the mod plays favorites" Loud Doctor Killed N2
TierShift
"When the Mod Messes Up Investigations" Framer Lynched D3 1-shot self-inventor
"When the mod forgets to send a role PM"
notscience
"When the Mod Posts the Flip Too Early" Doublevoter Hated Killed N3..
GreyICE says he has no night actions

shos
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player" Vengeful Night Skipper Lynched D4 Modified Self-Watcher

Iecerint
"When the mod gives results to the wrong player" Amnesiac Tracker Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result.
N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone
N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox
N3 tracked Grey, gave to Wisdom
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir
"When the mod messes up the VC" Vote Switcher Miller ????? N1
Switched shos and NS' votes on N2
????? N3
GreyICE
"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends" Night-Action Cop N1: Tbone has a night ability.
N2: notscience does not have a night ability.
N3: shos has a night ability
T-Bone
"When the mod forgets a night action" Roleblocker Blocked Eddie N1
Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere.
Blocked Rhinox N2
Blocked Reck N3
Wisdom
"When the mod just has to comment" Messenger Messaged Reck D1
Messaged shos D2
Messaged ???? D3
Messaged ???? D4
xRECKONERx
"When the mod keeps score" Points Awarder Controlled the 'score' thingie

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:39 am

Wisdom's nameclaim is still weird. "Just" being in there is sort of weird considering the other rolenames have been really matter-of-fact and didn't have personality infused into it. "When the Mod JUST Has to Comment" seems to buck that trend.

GI's nameclaim is more wordy, but makes more sense.

Ceph has the miller claim still hanging over his head. TWO MILLERS with a FRAMER seems just so excessive, doesn't it? UGH.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:41 am

T-Bone being a plain old RB makes no sense.

Wisdom's nameclaim makes no sense.

Ceph being a second miller with a framer + miller already in the setup makes no sense.

---

Grey has the least amount of shit pointing his direction right now, from a purely objective info point of view. I don't see the "case" on him really.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:44 am

That's... a really valid point.

I'm swinging back towards thinking Grey v Wis is town on town but I just don't fucking know man.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:44 am

Every second I'm changing my mind on Grey.

I don't think Wisdom is scum now, giving his play some more thought.

Grey, I could see, just because of how he seems to be floating. one sec.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:45 am

Grey's votes:

Cabd
T-Bone
shos
shos
Wisdom

so his track record isn't as stellar as I thought, so far... he never voted TierShift, which surprises me, I thought I remembered that

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:46 am

In post 4749, Wisdom wrote:its not town on town dude. Grey's sudden tunnel on me is shallow and points to him being scum.

tbf you literally just got done saying how no way could it be a GI team then swapped back and are now tunneling on him

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:50 am

Katsuki

(7): GreyICE,

TierShift

,

notscience

,

Cabd

,

shos

, Cephrir,

Bins

Cabd

(5): xRECKONERx,

Iecerint

,

Katsuki

,

Rhinox

, T-Bone

T-Bone

(1): EddieFenix

---

Cabd

(6): xRECKONERx,

notscience

, Cephrir,

Iecerint

, GreyICE,

shos

(1):

Rhinox

xRECKONERx

(1):

TierShift

Cephrir

(1): Wisdom

---

TierShift

(5):

shos

, Cephrir, xRECKONERx, Wisdom,

notscience

T-Bone

(1):

Iecerint

(1): T-Bone

shos

(1):

TierShift

---

shos

(4):

Iecerint

, Cephrir, GreyICE, xRECKONERx

T-Bone

(2):

shos

, Wisdom

Not Voting (1): T-Bone

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:51 am

Mmmm.

Were all three scum REALLY on the Katsuki mislynch? That seems so unliekly.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:52 am

That would make the D1 Cabd wagon all town.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:52 am

In post 4756, Wisdom wrote:It happens.

vca really isn't a good thing in my experience.

It's helpful to me and it also sparks certain things sometimes of like, "Wait, how did that push happen?"

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:53 am

T-Bone has yet to be on a scum wagon.

Or any lynch wagon, actually.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:53 am

Didn't shos try to claim he was blocked at some point?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:57 am

In post 4761, Cephrir wrote:vca is garbage.

people who say this need a swift kick in the taint

I'm not saying we go THIS IS WHY WE'RE LYNCHING THAT PERSON, but it brings to light some interesting habits to pressure/investigate

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:57 am

In post 4763, Cephrir wrote:also you failed to account for my vote switch?

DERP

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 7:57 am

who were they again

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 8:00 am

In post 4762, Wisdom wrote:yeah, he said that his lack of result n2 was possibly because tbone blocked him.

Hmm.

So basically, any way we look at it, there's some weird scum theatrics happening.

T-BONE SCUM: shos tried to bus him by using night action shenanigans in hopes it would clear him as town when shos flipped scum.
CEPHRIR SCUM: Ceph used his vote swap to trip up shos's claim, buying him infinite town cred.
GREYICE SCUM: Grey targeted shos with his ability and bussed him to get town cred.

Any of those situations is a bit of a stretch... and everything is basically ability confirmed at this point.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 8:01 am

what about n1/d2?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 8:02 am

Katsuki

(7): GreyICE,

TierShift

,

notscience

,

Cabd

,

shos

, Cephrir,

Bins

Cabd

(5): xRECKONERx,

Iecerint

,

Katsuki

,

Rhinox

, T-Bone

T-Bone

(1): EddieFenix

---

Cabd

(6): xRECKONERx,

notscience

, Cephrir,

Iecerint

, GreyICE,

shos

(1):

Rhinox

xRECKONERx

(1):

TierShift

Cephrir

(1): Wisdom

---

TierShift

(5):

notscience

, Cephrir, xRECKONERx, Wisdom,

shos

T-Bone

(1):

Iecerint

(1): T-Bone

shos

(1):

TierShift

---

shos

(4): xRECKONERx, Cephrir, GreyICE,

Iecerint

T-Bone

(2):

shos

, Wisdom

Not Voting (1): T-Bone[/quote]

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 8:03 am

This is making my stomach churn. WHY THE FUCK IS THIS DIFFICULT.

Can everyone check in w/ their teams to see if they have any great insights

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 8:05 am

Quil has started chiming in more now that his game is over but he still hasn't read up.

SK is trying to help but it's mostly like "you and Wisdom's fights are hysterical" and nothing worthwhile

UT is just talking about how great his taint tastes and how Wisdom should sample it

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 8:11 am

In post 4781, Cephrir wrote:I'm going to iso wisdom today

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 9:24 am

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 10:05 am

In post 2332, GreyICE wrote:
In post 2329, Wisdom wrote:Here's a real question, Grey: What happens
when
Cabd flips town?

Do you have some information that I'm lacking here?

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 10:11 am

In post 2332, GreyICE wrote:
In post 2329, Wisdom wrote:Here's a real question, Grey: What happens
when
Cabd flips town?

Do you have some information that I'm lacking here?

Just reread all of GI's ISO. I could buy him as scum.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 10:13 am

He did claim it checked for NKs from the start though, never asked the mod.

Don't know that it isn't tbone but I think GI is best lynch atm

VOTE: Grey

I will satisfy my team for once

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 1:18 pm

In post 4807, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4804, T-Bone wrote:Plus I still think it takes extra ordinary foresight to target shos just to set him up for a lynch that wasn't really on the table until Ceph claimed again.

If the lynch didn't swing shos's way grey could just claim it as "i confirm he has a night action like he claimed" and not bus.

I don't understand this

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 1:20 pm

In post 4810, GreyICE wrote:
In post 4807, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4804, T-Bone wrote:Plus I still think it takes extra ordinary foresight to target shos just to set him up for a lynch that wasn't really on the table until Ceph claimed again.

If the lynch didn't swing shos's way grey could just claim it as "i confirm he has a night action like he claimed" and not bus.

Honestly, what fucking sense does "Self-watcher with an active ability" even make? And why would I investigate him if he set his fakeclaim up that way? I'd never do that. I'd never kill Iecerint, he literally thought I was confirmed town.

So Reck, Cephrir, when I flip town, what's the plan for tomorrow?

I don't want to say too much because I don't want scum to make an optimal kill. I will likely do a complete reread of the whole game. I have never done that before in lylo

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 1:34 pm

Yeah I'm really not

Guys is it just tbone

xRECKONERx · Fri May 15, 2015 1:36 pm

In post 4815, T-Bone wrote:We got two weeks but consider my vote on Wisdom right now. I just don't see the leaps it requires for Grey's confirmed actions that make him scum at this stage. My VCA team agrees with me. There was a wagon on Day 1 that contained LLD, Tier, and shos, and it was like that for quite awhile. wgurts thinks based on his VCA that it's Wis>Ceph>Reck>Grey. I think Ceph has proven himself town so really for me it continues to be between Reck and Wisdom. I just think it's too convoluted at this stage with what we know to say that Grey got Shos because he is scum or Ceph got em cause he's scum. I don't think we lynch Shos without them, we lynch me instead.

Gray has no confirmed action right now. The only thing that he has done is select targets for his ability that we already knew the answer of.