New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Skybird]

RadiantCowbells, what has you suspecting Dragons? Can you explain that for me please?

Kitz, to me your explanations for 14:3:3:1 are not convincing. I'd also like to see you do some scum hunting. You are here in the game, but not really doing anything.

[T S O]

VOTE: Ozgin

[Wake1]

'Zebra Danio'

Danio rerio

Vote Count 1.06

Aeronaut

Aneninen

Bookitty

Aneninen

,

Boonskiies

Boonskiies

Cheetory6

dragonspawn

RadiantCowbells

,

House

Drixx

Egg

FA_Q2

House

lalaladucks

Kitz

Taly

,

Skybird

lalaladucks

dragonspawn

,

Silverwolf

,

Ozgin

,

Egg

Ozgin

Titus

,

Varsoon

,

Bookitty

,

Kitz

,

T S O

Prolapsed Brain

RadiantCowbells

Silverwolf

Skybird

Cheetory6

Taly

Titus

T S O

Varsoon

Not Voting:

Aeronaut

,

Drixx

,

FA_Q2

,

Prolapsed Brain

Spoiler: Information

VLA

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Natural Action Resolution

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.
The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.
All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

Rules OP

Link

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is 05/28/15, @4PM CT.

(expired on 2015-05-28 16:00:00)

1.00 | 1.01 | 1.02 | 1.03 | 1.04 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 1.07 | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13
Ozgin Lynch & Flip
Varsoon Death & Flip
2.00 | 2.01 | 2.02 | 2.03 | 2.04 | 2.05
Titus Lynch & Flip
T S O and Aneninen Death & Flip
3.00 | 3.01 | 3.02 | 3.03 | 3.04 | 3.05 | 3.06 | 3.07 | 3.08

[Kitz]

Kitz, to me your explanations for 14:3:3:1 are not convincing.

What's the motivation to fake being dumb on this particular matter regardless of faction?

[Taly]

Hey Silver, I looked at some of your posts and your vote is still placed on Lala, what do you think about her recent posts? Her recent posts seem to be better in quality.

Also, are you still thinking Titus is scummy? 401 Feels a little odd with me.

Don't understand why House is caring about survival as town right now. :/ I still see town-House, but I have no idea what he is trying to accomplish right now.

P-Edit

410

Titus, why are you saying Ozgin is obvscum? Plus, there has already been a wagon on Ozgin - of which you're still on, what else do you have in mind?

Wait a second. Wasn't taly the first one voting for house? Now all of a sudden he doesn't want to lynch house today. Taly defending house just seems weird to me. Especially since I've seen how you guys don't get along as town.

Slight misrep.

When did I even fucking say I was fine with not lynching House today? Don't assume shit that isn't there. I'm just saying that I'm townreading House, even though I'm becoming increasingly more concerned about his motives.

Also, my first vote on House was an RVS vote. Why are you treating it as if it were taken so seriously and that I'm now contradicting myself? I don't know where you're even getting this...

Also, House and I have 1v1ed as both town before - does it mean 1 of us is scum right off the bat when we don't?

how is it a misrep? You specifically said and I quote:

"@All, I really don't care to lynch House."

so you don't care to lynch house but you aren't saying you were fine with not lynching him? You specifically said it was your desire not to lynch house. That doesn't make sense.

Dragon, you're confusing me with Titus. I never said I wouldn't care to lynch House.

@All, I really don't care to lynch House. I would imagine him being more likely to fluff the point and terminate conversation, more of an "I agree to disagree" as scum. I could be wrong here, I admit that. Yet, this conversation is bogging down in theory. Theory is where scum should want to keep this.

So enough about lurkers. Enough about theory.

@Avatar, 373 is all theory. It's easy to get hostile about theory as scum or town. Let's get some wagons going and see how people react to them. Particularly obvscum Ozgin.

410

[dragonspawn]

You're right taly. My bad.

[dragonspawn]

That's what I get for playing on the phone. I withdrawal all my previous statements on the subject and feel really stupid now.

[Taly]

Been re-reading Ozgin. Here are some posts that stuck out to me

Also, my last point on the Citizen thing and then I'm really going to bed, but I have myself written as citizen in my excel sheet (I have myself there because I just typed the list as the OP has it, and then I didn't feel like changing it after I already put my name in it, so I just threw down "Citizen, given" on my chart, and I've been using it as reference all game. Of course I'm gonna say "Citizen" when talking about myself in this game.

PEdit: Sorry Wolfie, I'm getting a little emotionally evolved and I need to pull that out of my thoughts here. I don't get emotional at all when I'm scum, and that's what you saw the most of with me in 180, so yeah of course you're not used to it. But that statement doesn't mean shit, my self-meta is useless and I'll leave you to your own conclusions.

What the hell? So you're claiming what is equivalent to VT because you had yourself written as it in an excel sheet? Also, what is this:

"I didn't feel like changing it after I already put my name in it."

So you were able to change your role? O_o.... Or you're not being honest with us?

I'm not discrediting you. You literally said that I called myself a vanilla townie, and that's not true. It's a literal misrepresentation of my terminology, which you seem to be obsessed with.

As for the shot (I'm assuming meaning shit) reasons on my push for lala, can you tell me why they're shit? Or are you just gonna throw a meaningless opinion with no supporting evidence?

Have you read the flavor correctly? Citizens are equivalent to Vanilla Town in their abilities. Claiming as one is the same as the other.

If you were a "Citizen", thought you would know this.

Uh, letting other people fight about their nonsense, and sitting back and cruising by?

Yes because sitting back and watching fights rage on usually gets town lined up to be killed, that is - if both fighters are town... Unfortunately, I should know this because I usually get into 1v1s.

You haven't posted in the past 150 posts, your wagon has had a second spark added to it, my town read on you is failing and not entirely because of your townslip. Your posts don't appear as genuine, and maybe this vote will encourage you to add more onto this subject that'd help town.

VOTE: Ozgin

I never like naked votes, especially ones on the wagons that are moving.

476

TSO, why are you voting for Ozgin?

[Taly]

Dragon is giving me a bad feeling, but I accept his humility/apology on him not really looking at who posted what.

Dragon is a slight scum lean, but Ozgin is currently catching my attention more.

I have mixed thoughts on RC, didn't like her self-vote. But I kind of like the pressure being added onto Dragon, I just don't have a major underlining reason to suspect Dragon-scum yet.

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

[Taly]

Oh fuck, I forgot to unvote Kitz. >_<

Oh well, Wake can handle the switch.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[House]

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

He's scum.

Don't let him fool you with his tricks.

[SilverWolf]

I didn't roll scum and feel disappointed.

VOTE: Boonskiies

DIE, SCUM

scum tend to announce they are not scum at the beginning.

VOTE: tso

OK, Starting to do some ISO's here and I don't like dragon's at all. His vote for T S O 59 was bad. I've seen tons of people say that as town. The last game we played, Grib did the same thing and he was town. dragon was in that game too His 131 vote for la la wasn't good either or the reasoning behind it.

233 dragon have you figured this out yet? What do you think of the Ozgin push now?

Even though RC has barely posted, I do like his entrance into the game, it seems townish although that is just a gut read here. I don't like dragon's response here 455 seem pretty hostile for no reason. Don't like this either 466.

I don't like my vote on la la anymore because her response to her wagon was to go and look at all the votes on it and analyze them which is a farily townish response. I'd like to see more from her though.

I like the Kitz push but I think people need to follow it up with some votes there. dragon is worse than kitz for me right now however.

I re-read Titus and she seems town. Her Ozgin push feels genuine and I completely understand the Citizen argument and think it's valid. However, it's early in the game and we need to look at other people as well and develop some other reads, get other wagons going, etc.

VOTE: dragonspawn

[Taly]

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

He's scum.

Don't let him fool you with his tricks.

What tricks have you seen of him?

Liking 466 from Silver

Because she is voting for ACTUAL REASONS.

However, before I think critically and move my vote, I want to hear Ozgin say something about the current wagon.

Sigh, Larges are scary for me. X_X :/ There's a good 3 people I'd vote right now - including my current vote - and wagons change dramatically every 5 pages.

[SilverWolf]

@Taly, Do you mean 486 because I didn't post 466?

[Taly]

486

Yes, I meant 486.

Dear god, it is too early in the day for this shit. lol :/

[House]

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

He's scum.

Don't let him fool you with his tricks.

What tricks have you seen of him?

Liking 466 from Silver

Because she is voting for ACTUAL REASONS.

I'm totally voting for ACTUAL REASONS. Just because I'm not posting them doesn't mean I don't have them.

[Taly]

490

Sorry if I came off that way House, but I

never

said that you were voting for no reason. Specifically, I was referring to the people who are quickly jumping on wagons will little to say behind their own thoughts.

[Titus]

@Wolf, Why are you avoiding the Ozgin wagon? You have acknowledged that the citizen case is good, but you pile on the la la wagon. Then, as la la dies down, you move to another wagon increasing, while stating the reason I am pushing is good.

You state you are voting for Ozgin because he is unnecessarily hostile. Yet what do you call the your child could be evil thing but unnecessarily hostile?

You keep doing this thing where you endorse the Ozgin push but never get on.

[Bookitty]

VOTE: Dragonspawn

I have a theory.

[Titus]

No. We are not chasing theories. We are lynching Ozgin scum. Scum are offering us alternatives to the Ozgin wagon but the reasons on them all suck shit.

[Titus]

If I'm wrong, we can chase that theory blindly but we are not doing that today.

[Skybird]

Kitz, to me your explanations for 14:3:3:1 are not convincing.

What's the motivation to fake being dumb on this particular matter regardless of faction?

The motivation is to appear to town by not knowing how many factions are involved in the game. At best you didn't read the rules because it clearly states: Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's, and

all enemy anti-Town factions are dead

.

[Aneninen]

Post is coming.

[Aneninen]

(1) The first thing I don't get is the House wagon.
There are quite a few players who's been doing nothing, including me.
As for this topic: check out Page11! House and I posted literally the same thing. When I post 263, noone bats an eye. When House posts 265 everybody loses their mind.
Even if that wagon topped earlier, there must be at least one scum there, regardless of House's alignment.

(2) Ozgin is flailing. He brought up at least one (or more times?) that people had been scumreading him because of that bringing up a child topic... but he was never scumread by that.

(3) Varsoon looks town. I know his scumgame (snicker, snicker) and it's not like this. Bookitty looks town too. Even if she doesn't have many posts. Same goes for TSO. Scum-TSO is much more involved in the game, I suppose. Titus is in pro-town mode, and Taly looks town too. (These are mostly based on metas.)

(4) Laladucks seems to have an "excuse-making" style. (Do you get this expression?) I'd call it scummy unless someone pointed out that she were like this as town before.

(5) As for House. Wellshyt, I've seen a town-House like this before. What's wrong there? (Caveat to (3), what the f-ck Varsoon is doing on the Laladucks wagon? Wasn't he calling her a low hanging fruit before?)

(6) If Ozgin is scum, Dragonspawn might be his partner. Actually I have some more pair-combinations too, but it's pretty much pigeon poop to think a lot about them on Day1.

(7) What if Kitz is scum? Being on the House wagon and jumping on Ozgin next. Plus, her posts after getting mere two votes. Kitz, what color is your Role PM? ^_^

Not much else now. Votes. They're moving. They're interesting as they're moving.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kitz

[dragonspawn]

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

He's scum.

Don't let him fool you with his tricks.

what tricks are those?