Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You done yet?

Yeah for now.

vote: Khan

[Boonskiies]

Khan's like the towniest guy besides me.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I don't think so cause like I said, he called out 1 person and ignores at least 1 other person who did the same thing plus he avoided my question and that's indicative of scum when they don't have a good answer.

[Boonskiies]

Not really. I do tons of random pointless stuff as town with no real explanation. I feel scum is more likely to fabricate reasons for their actions than town is.

[dragonspawn]

I'm hurt boon

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Well yea khans reason is fabricated cause town can andnhas votes in rvs without a random reason. It's absolutely not alignment indicative like Khan is suggesting, which is why I find you agreeing with him also suspect.

Shall I go find games where town voted without a random reason M cause I can probably find one in less than 5 minutes

[implosion]

Khan's like the towniest guy besides me.

You realize that this is tangential to the argument that you've been having for the past page that led nowhere, right?

I also really fail to see what was towny about his reasoning. Like I said, I think it's logical, but it isn't a towntell.

[implosion]

Boon's also no longer scummy.

[Shazam]

I feel as if the recent action in this thread is consistent with a scum derailment of conversations about Mario and Foxxx that were actually going somewhere. It's hard to keep track now of exactly where we are in either of those conversations. Mario, don't think you can get away with not answering post 81 after all this nonsense. I won't be posting tomorrow, jsyk guys.

[Necessary Evil]

Unvote

VOTE: Necessary Evil
Necessary Evil voted for Mario for doing something "strange", without equating strange with scummy. When questioned on it he once again called it strange. I'd like a better explanation of why strange in this case equates to scummy.

Good candidates for town so far are dragonspawn and Woody, and maybe Shazam. Boonskiies also might be scum.

Yes, it was strange but not necessarily scummy. It caught my intention and I investigated further by voting and questioning MarioManiac4. I voted him to create some pressure. I'm not totally sure about him at this point but I am leaning towards scum and I would like an answer to my question about the lack of a vote on dragonspawn.

[Boonskiies]

I feel as if the recent action in this thread is consistent with a scum derailment of conversations about Mario and Foxxx that were actually going somewhere. It's hard to keep track now of exactly where we are in either of those conversations. Mario, don't think you can get away with not answering post 81 after all this nonsense. I won't be posting tomorrow, jsyk guys.

I mean, I am scum reading Mario. I was first one voting him technically, haha.

[Boonskiies]

I'm hurt boon

i said like the towniest guy, which is you, of course. Haha.

[Boonskiies]

Like the towniest guy besides me. the towniest guy besides me is obviously Dragonspawn, duh!!!! And Khan is just like you. Town.

Deductive reasoning confirmed.

[pisskop]

I wasn't sheeping KK, I just didn't have enough of an inclination to vote for you before I saw that it would make a wagon.

But you said

I wanted to vote for GrayFoxxxx.

My reasoning is similar to Khan's.

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

So you did or didn't want to vote me before Kahn did? Youre flip flopping.

I'm not flip flopping, you're misinterpreting me. I had some inclination to vote before KK voted, but not enough to actually vote. I wasn't sheeping because I was voting him for my own reasons.

Why are you so concerned with your vote's 'weight' so early? Like why are you more focused on your votes placement than on addressing scumreads or producing content?
You even voted another player while interacting with Gray

I would have also expected you to vote him after you said you wanted to. Why havent you?

[implosion]

Why are you so concerned with your vote's 'weight' so early?

Because people (aka Grayfoxxxx) keep asking me about it? I'm not going to ignore questions or arguments made towards me.

Like why are you more focused on your votes placement than on addressing scumreads or producing content?

I have addressed reads and produced content; points were made towards me, so I'm going to address those points. No one has criticized any of my

reads

as of yet, so I haven't discussed any in-depth. I've given a number of townreads (dragon, woody, shazam) and a current scumread on NE; I gave a scumread on foxxxx which I've since retracted, and a weak scumread on Boon, which I've since retracted (he's now in the townread pile, foxxxx is null). I can go in-depth into any involved reasoning if desired.

Another point I have been harping on, and will harp on more: KK really has not towntold yet. Everything he's done so far is just pure reasoning; it isn't necessarily a towntell for him just because you agree with his reasoning. I'd like to hear from Boon why KK is town.

I would have also expected you to vote him after you said you wanted to. Why havent you?

Not sure what you mean; i am voting NE right now. He's still somewhat scummy.

[implosion]

Also, meant to say this earlier, happy birthday KK!

[Sméagol]

Quick note, I only got on for a sec to have a quick check, but I have to leave. I'll do a vote count when I get back, in 2 to 3 hours.
Also, everyone has confirmed.

[Kublai Khan]

You missed my post obviously cause I pointed out he wasn't the only one, I don't even think he was the first to vote without a random reason so why is he scum and not the others?

Sorry, I thought I had addressed it. He was the only one using a system to make his choice. The alphabet.

Lots of other people used stupid non-random reasons (or no reasons at all), but GrayFoxxxx was systematic. I don't really have a fancy way to explain it but scum are more likely to approach rvs systematically. And like implosion said, it's an subconcious thing.

Who do you think acted similar to GrayFoxxxx that I should be voting? Then I'll re-explain it a third time so maybe you can finally get it. I mean, it's not that hard. Even GrayFoxxxx got it. He disagrees with it (which is not surprising and not alignment indicative), but he understands.

Why did you wait to long to vote me for "ignoring" your question? I obviously wasn't around for the time you were posting and waiting. Did my absense make me scummier or was it just to "prove" something to Boonskiies?

Also, meant to say this earlier, happy birthday KK!

Thanks (and thanks to Bulbazoor earlier). Got my free Jersey Mike's birthday sub so I'm happy.

[dragonspawn]

Been looking over implosion some more and I just see more questions. He didn't want to "waste" his vote by voting for gray before he knew whether a wagon could start, but he didn't hesitate being the first vote on woody at the beginning or being the first vote on evil after giving this explanation. So why was voting first on gray a wasted vote but voting first on woody and evil perfectly alright?

I look this over and I see backtracking by someone who is caught making a mistake. It's a sign of a guilty conscience and bad reasoning.

If implosion flips scum we should definitely look closer at woody and Mario. Both have been resisting/defending the push on implosion. On top of that woody especially looks like a good buddy for implosion as scum because it explains why he wouldn't worry about the woody vote creating a wagon. He had no intention of it becoming a wagon.

Just some general thoughts right now.

I like boon so far. Reminds me of my best friend. I'd like to see more from pk.

[Sméagol]

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Abstaining [1]

: FA_Q2

There are 13 active players.
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Spoiler: Current player list

[01] Bulbazoor
[02] dragonspawn
[03] GrayFoxxxx
[04] FA_Q2
[05] implosion
[06] Boonskiies
[07] Necessary Evil
[08] Shazam
[09] pisskop
[10] StubbsKVM
[11] MarioManiac4
[12] Kublai Khan
[13] WoodyWoodpecker

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Deadline is

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(expired on 2015-07-29 00:00:00)

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On a sidenote, I don't intend to fix quote tags and the likes, in fact I don't intend to mess with your posts at all. Feel free to double post, or if it's really bothering you, you can specifically request me to fix them.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Sorry, I thought I had addressed it. He was the only one using a system to make his choice. The alphabet.

So why not say that? Saying he didn't use an rvs reason when I already pointed out shazam didn't use rvs was weird.

Fair enough but with that said

Using a system isn't necessarily scummy as like I said I've seen town do it before

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Who do you think acted similar to GrayFoxxxx that I should be voting?

Shazam didn't use a random reason either

Why did you wait to long to vote me for "ignoring" your question?

I was trying to decide if it was legitimately scummy or was I just being stupid. I have a habit of voting people for stupid reason sometimes

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Both have been resisting/defending the push on implosion.

this is absolutely not true with regards to me. try again

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I think we're better off focusing on one at a time. It creates more pressure and keeps the town from becoming splintered.

now I can speak from experience because I love to tunnel my scum reads. focusing on 1 person at a time is actually a detriment to the game and not helpful. pressuring multiple people are better for a variety of reasons but the most important one is looking at how people react to each of the wagons and votes.

multiple wagons and counter wagons help the game out more, especially later in the game when their are flips to analyze, especially if we happen to lynch scum.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

RVS literally requires no reason and D1 requires only a weak one.

Yeah I Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

Switching from a singleton vote to another person with no votes on them seems rather pointless when the aim is to get the game moving and start seeing how people react to votes. I wanted to vote for GrayFoxxxx, but there wasn't much point in it and I didn't particularly like any other votes I saw.

My reasoning is similar to Khan's. Overjustified RVS votes are scummy, although this was a minor case.

Another miscellaneous thing: Khan's vote/reasoning is not a towntell. Reasoning is reasoning, it's the kind of thing that will be done as either town or scum.

this is actually a good post.