Micro 550: 2 Scoops of the Fourth Degree (Game Over)

[Huntress]

Huntress is a good idea. They said they'd meta dove a few people and only meta dived you and kinda just used it to come to no conclusion on you and that's it.

I didn't say a few people, just two. NM and Ocean. I came up with null on NM so saw no need to mention it but my read on Ocean did feed into my gut read on him a bit.

The baseless vote park is just bad.

Why would I move my vote of my top scum read? His later posts haven't changed my read on him.

[TheDominator37]

Ok so I think Som is our best lynch here from my personal experiance he only acts like this as scum and if you pull a game from this site I will call BS because the last game he played on site was in July and I know hes changed since then so lets lynch dom have the day end with a lurker/troll and get all the info D2

Where did I do that? I linked the most recent game I've played in where I've been playing like this were I was the town RBer btw. Idk where you are getting all of this from

[TheDominator37]

Also where did I say I was scum reading you? I liked how you answered a question and so I'm happy sheeping you for the rest of the day unless someone says something much better or you start saying really bad things.

You said I was "reaching" which I interpreted to mean a scumread. Was I wrong? What about my response to your question did you like? What would a "scummy" response have been?

Ok so I think Som is our best lynch here from my personal experiance he only acts like this as scum and if you pull a game from this site I will call BS because the last game he played on site was in July and I know hes changed.

If I understand correctly, your scumread on TheDominator is based off of meta and then you claim that if anyone else brings up meta, you are going to call BS because his last game was in July (which is actually not very long ago).

I'm growing more uncomfortable with your read here especially as the only thing you've been doing since early game was pushing TheDominator.

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Re-reading All Alone, I think I saw a towntell. I want to try this for now:

UNVOTE: All Alone
VOTE: Huntress

I'm running out of ideas and the lurkers are not helping ;-;

Says a lurker...
You were on madden mobile last night

[Froggaphant]

Huntress is a good idea. They said they'd meta dove a few people and only meta dived you and kinda just used it to come to no conclusion on you and that's it.

I didn't say a few people, just two. NM and Ocean. I came up with null on NM so saw no need to mention it but my read on Ocean did feed into my gut read on him a bit.

The baseless vote park is just bad.

Why would I move my vote of my top scum read? His later posts haven't changed my read on him.

Because you're not actually pushing KT.

You just essentially said gut then left it there all game.

[Huntress]

Ocean's 246 is misleading to say the least. If he was being honest about it he would have included my 143 in that.

Actually, I think that's tipped the balance for me.

Vote: Oceanwind

Everyone else other than KT is null or town to me.


P. edit: Most of my reads are gut reads at this stage.

[Huntress]

Because you're not actually pushing KT.

You just essentially said gut then left it there all game.

Other people who know him better were pushing him. I read him and them on those interactions.

[Cheery Dog]

Votecount 1.09

TheDominator37 ( 3 ) KTthecreeper; Not_Mafia; Kaboose;
Not_Mafia ( 2 ) All Alone; TheDominator37;
Huntress ( 2 ) OceanWind; Froggaphant;
KTthecreeper ( 1 ) A Simple Plan;
OceanWind ( 1 ) Huntress;
A Simple Plan ( 0 )
Froggaphant ( 0 )
Kaboose ( 0 )
All Alone ( 0 )

Not voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 1 Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-30 01:47:35)

[OceanWind]

If he was being honest about it he would have included my 143 in that.

Okay, let's look at your #143:

I voted KT for the way he jumped on Kaboose in 26.

So, your strongest scumread for all of D1 is because KTthecreeper jumped onto Kaboose at the beginning of page 2.

I wasn't very sure about my read on KT. It was originally just a fairly weak read. But All Alone voted ASP for not doing the same thing as KT didn't do when he voted Kaboose, which looks like selective scumhunting. The fact that KT found a reason to attack Kaboose after Kaboose had raised a doubt about All Alone came into that too.

Your other reason for suspecting KTthecreeper was because you thought All Alone was scum with him. But you now say that you dropped the scumread on All Alone. That didn't affect your read on KTthecreeper at all? Especially as you said it was "originally a weak read" only strengthened because you saw associatives with All Alone. Instead, you decided to stick your vote on this "weak" page 2 read and do hardly anything else.

[Froggaphant]

Huntress is digging their hole deeper.

[TheDominator37]

Because you're not actually pushing KT.

You just essentially said gut then left it there all game.

Other people who know him better were pushing him. I read him and them on those interactions.

Ocean's 246 is misleading to say the least. If he was being honest about it he would have included my 143 in that.

Actually, I think that's tipped the balance for me.

Vote: Oceanwind

Everyone else other than KT is null or town to me.


P. edit: Most of my reads are gut reads at this stage.

OMGUS?

[KTthecreeper]

Ok I think huntress is the best way to go right now Frogaphant and OW has made good points UNVOTE: Dom[/uncote]

VOTE: Huntress


And Dom I got it from Mafiaplace witch is the clostest thing to MS we play togeter in

[KTthecreeper]

Ok guys I have a feeling I'm gonna die tonight so If huntress flips scum go for not mafia and If huntress flips town go for Dom and Simple Plan.

Huntresses Flip will change the way I look at the game

[Cheery Dog]

Prodding A Simple Plan ¹

[All Alone]

Why Huntress?

My list is PoE mostly. I don't have any good scum reads this game to be honest, so I'm scumhunting the other way around. I don't want to lynch Dominator since I feel like this is their town meta, and your fight with Froggy felt like TvT. I'm less certain about KT and much less certain about Kaboose but neither of them read disingenuously so I'm leaning town. That leaves ASP/NM/Huntress.

That said I think your 245 and 246 make a decent point about ASP and Huntress. I'll sheep this

VOTE: Huntress

L-1

[Huntress]

Please unvote. If you're town that's not a good vote. Look again at my posts to and about Ocean.

@ Dominator:

No, it isn't. Read my ISO to see the background to my vote.

That said I think your 245 and 246 make a decent point about ASP and Huntress. I'll sheep this

245 was comparing playstyle and I've pointed out the problem with 246.

[Kaboose]

INTENT TO HAMMER Huntress

[A Simple Plan]

You wanna know why I changed my read on Kaboose completely? Because what I thought was an alinement thing was really a playstyle thing so I thought that Kaboose was just playing how he normaly does. Ok now time to talk about Simple's reads on me.


Post 26

You really don't understand how annoyed I get when someone says "I don't like D1 lets just skip it" then people second that motion so I felt like I had to get passionate to get the message through.

Post 31

Its happening slowly but surely.


Post 36

Just trying to get an example through


Post 38

bro I mean't on my site half the people who say skip d1 are scum all I was trying to say.

Post 39

It annoyed me that everyone made the RVS vote and ran away.


Before I get into the next set of post you skiped like 70 pages witch I know I posted so it looks like your being pretty bias in this manner


Post 118

I looked through what kaboose said and he flat out said that its a playstyle thing and he had games to back him up. So I read the game a few more times and looked for the hidden scum in the pile of townies and saw Dom's game was off the kinda off that hes only that off when he plays scum so I went and thought *lets push him and see what happens* and Dom didn't really respond that much so I think Dom is scum instead of Kaboose


Post 145

What you call personal attack I call friendly joke ask Dom I'm pretty sure he got the idea the "3 mounth ban boy" was just a joke


Anyone confused what this post is its in responce to A Simple Plan's #188

I take it my response to KT's 204 didn't go through?

Basically what I said was that the majority of what you posted in the gap between ISO posts wasn't alignment indicative. Also, jokes of that nature are really inappropriate. The only part of that explanation that's anything at all decent logic is your response to 118, and I'm either missing something, or it took you time to figure out that plan. See my comment below, re:

INTENT TO HAMMER Huntress

79

46 - Okay, again, you're getting wordy and overly deep about this Kaboose thing, only to flip your reads when he suddenly posts links to show similar train of thought elsewhere.

47 - Is this plan working? Does it involve sheeping the game's most common town reads?

52[post], [post]55 - Spam garbage? Wtf was that link? I'm not sure I want to click some random link that reads "da fuck dot net".

54 - k

79, 80 - still pushing Kaboose, after 73, 74. Why did it take until 118 for you to suddenly read him town if those were the posts that changed your mind?

260 - Drops the Dom wagon when it's obvious he's not today's lynch to sheep the near consensus town reads of the game. What are your OTHER reads? Especially if you die tonight (re 261)? I see you commenting based on the Huntress flip, but that's association. I want reads based off of things that have actually happened. This game. PATY.

We have almost two days left. Please don't hammer until at least midnight tonight (~14.5 hours) so that I can catch up in full and read this case on Huntress.

I'm driving across the state this afternoon for a meeting tonight, but I will have access to the wifi in my hotel room.

[Froggaphant]

Just popping in to say I'm ok with this lynch, need to talk to Frog about NM and AA.

In answer to Ocean, my read on NM faltered not because he called us a town read, but that he used the questions to engage himself, if that makes sense?

[Cheery Dog]

Votecount 1.10

Huntress ( 4 ) OceanWind; Froggaphant; KTthecreeper; All Alone;
TheDominator37 ( 2 ) Not_Mafia; Kaboose;
Not_Mafia ( 1 ) TheDominator37;
KTthecreeper ( 1 ) A Simple Plan;
OceanWind ( 1 ) Huntress;
A Simple Plan ( 0 )
Froggaphant ( 0 )
Kaboose ( 0 )
All Alone ( 0 )

Not voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 1 Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-30 01:47:35)

[TheDominator37]

Prod doge?

[A Simple Plan]

Spoiler: Huntress' ISO

I've just seen my fair share of games on this site die a death on D1 due to the D1 heroes who expect to figure it out before the first death.

It's not so much figuring it out Day one as getting plenty of stuff to work with in future Days.

So you agree with my point and then vote me #logic

Game theory isn't indicative of alignment. I can agree with what you say but still have doubts about you.

What is your read on Kaboose? What are your thoughts, in particular, on his earlier posts?

@ Kaboose:

Making good use of Day one is like laying the foundations of a house. If you skimp it you make it harder for yourself later on.

Vote: KTthecreeper

Just a hunch.

Still liking my vote on KT.

All Alone might be scum too.

Explain your All Alone read. How has it developed from Scum (see 64) to null or town (see 254)?

Vote: KTthecreeper
Just a hunch.

I have a guess as to what this hunch could be but it is the opposite of how I'm seeing the game. Kaboose making a big deal of how no scumhunting can occur D1 looks to me like an excuse to coast early on without having to account for lack of scumhunting. Why do you disagree?

But that's not what he was saying. In fact he was one of the earliest to start scumhunting (see 23). His comments about Day one are something I've seen from both town and scum so it's not alignment indicative. I voted KT for the way he jumped on Kaboose in 26.

Still liking my vote on KT.

All Alone might be scum too.

You seem very sure about your KT scumread to the point where your other scumread is someone who defended KT. KT's passion doesn't look fake to me. Can you elaborate on why you have KT and All Alone as scum and Kaboose as town?

I wasn't very sure about my read on KT. It was originally just a fairly weak read. But All Alone voted ASP for not doing the same thing as KT didn't do when he voted Kaboose, which looks like selective scumhunting. The fact that KT found a reason to attack Kaboose after Kaboose had raised a doubt about All Alone came into that too.

So what you're trying to say, is that your KT read is due in part to scum-reading All Alone, and you were scum-reading All Alone for pressuring me? How does this make ANY sense?

@Huntress - What is your read on A Simple Plan?

Leaning town. I like what I've seen so far, but there's not much to go on yet.

What did you see before 151 that made me town to you?

Nothing to add just yet because I'm doing some playstyle checks on a couple of people first.

I'm getting a gut read of scum on OceanWind. I don't like some of his pushes. A meta check hasn't helped much due to lack of town games but it made interesting reading.

Why did you only check NM and Ocean (as you said in 250)?

I assume the push you don't like is my suspicion of Kaboose. I still disagree with you that KTthecreeper came off as the scummier of the two. Even now, I find KTthecreeper's posts a lot more aggressive and purposeful than most other players in the game. Kaboose looks shady by comparison especially with posts like 177. Beyond that, I have no reason to read anyone other than KTthecreeper and Froggaphant as town.

Not just on Kaboose. I think it's the way you ask questions. You make assumptions and it feels like you are trying to put words into people's mouths rather than just asking straightforward questions. For example, in 65 you asked my why I disagreed with you and why I had Kaboose as town, neither of which I had said I did. I definitely didn't like your second push on Froggaphant, possibly the second highest poster in the thread at the time, which was quite unwarranted. Your later posts have been better though.

What about Ocean's "later posts" have been better than his earlier ones? What was wrong with the push on Froggaphant?

Huntress is an idea. She's lurking for the most part. She has eleven posts so far. She's only cast one non-RVS vote (KTthecreeper) and is happy to sit on it for the entirety of D1 with no initiative at figuring anything out.

Only one vote as he's still my top scum read. You're catching up fast though. And the rest of that is not true as you can see from my posts.

Compared to most players, it is odd that no one really paid Huntress all that much attention, come to think of it. She skated below the radar for much of the game and her only content walls towards the end are in response to me grilling her about her reads.

You asked for explanations so I gave them. I've only the two scum reads at the moment (having dropped the one on All Alone) which, contrary to your implication here, I gave

without

you asking for them. I suspect your vote on me now is due to All Alone mentioning my name and you wondering if there is a chance of pushing a wagon on me. (Note, this is a suspicion, not an assumption.)

Yes, you have given them, but with no real explanation, especially on the KT read, and especially as of this point. Why are you still scum reading KT at this point? What convinced you to drop the All Alone scumread?

The baseless vote park is just bad.

Why would I move my vote of my top scum read? His later posts haven't changed my read on him.

What about those later posts?

Ocean's 246 is misleading to say the least. If he was being honest about it he would have included my 143 in that.

Actually, I think that's tipped the balance for me.

Vote: Oceanwind

Everyone else other than KT is null or town to me.


P. edit: Most of my reads are gut reads at this stage.

What reads of yours aren't gut reads and why?

Please unvote. If you're town that's not a good vote. Look again at my posts to and about Ocean.

@ Dominator:

No, it isn't. Read my ISO to see the background to my vote.

That said I think your 245 and 246 make a decent point about ASP and Huntress. I'll sheep this

245 was comparing playstyle and I've pointed out the problem with 246.

This post was complete crap. I read your argument on Ocean. I don't like it. And I don't like how you remained sheeping my KT vote without explanation for so long to buddy to me. Having a mutual scum read, upon seeing this ISO, is making me question my scum read on KT, because I doubt you'd hardbus day one, and I'm not liking what I see.

Overall Thought: @Kaboose, I think you reserved the right to hammer? I'd like answers to my questions if Huntress will provide them, and am willing to hammer this myself if Kaboose isn't around. Huntress, claim?

[Kaboose]

Mysteriously they've disappeared since getting to L1 it seems like.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: Huntress

[Fro99er]

Didn't even give huntress the chance to claim?

WTF

Kaboose can be scum

[Froggaphant]

Didn't even give huntress the chance to claim?

WTF

Kaboose can be scum

God dammit hydra slips