Blitz 11: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game over!)

[Hinduragi]

Vote: Jeanne11

[Hinduragi]

I was in the top 4 in the draft phase, doe. And I have the role I wanted since that thing. Go me!

Wagon for cheekiness' sake.

[Hinduragi]

I was in the top 4 in the draft phase, doe. And I have the role I wanted since that thing. Go me!

Right, let's just all claim. -_-

Alignment is independent of role here. Doesn't even matter if you got a role so I'm not really interested in discussing anything role-related or bringing the point up unless it pertains to alignment. Don't highlight stuff like this.

[Hinduragi]

Basically stop discussing roles and start discussing votes/wagons. Go.

@above: I didn't imply you made that point, I'm saying stop worrying about it and move on.

[Hinduragi]

Double-edged sword though...top drafters will have targets on their backs. Making the draft order public makes it fascinating...tons of wifom possibilities.

Yeah, I was kind of bummed the draft order was public. Wondered if I should just take something lame so it wouldn't matter if I got shot N1. Not saying whether I did or not.

Basically stop discussing roles and start discussing votes/wagons. Go.

No, really. This shouldn't be a thing past page 1.

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: 3dicerolling

Persivul, it's a emote for disappointment or dissatisfaction basically. That was sarcasm.

[Hinduragi]

I was joking, but okay.

Let's just discuss why ETL should be lynched for picking 13. Because who likes that number anyway?

Why shouldn't we lynch you for picking 13 instead?

[Hinduragi]

I picked 13 because the rules said to pick a low number but not one that would be picked by someone else. I failed.

Have you been here watching since page 1?

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: ETL

I'm liking both 13's already.

[Hinduragi]

Speaking of which, are you an internet creeper, Persivul. Cos if you are, I will have to punish you. All internet creepers must be punished. I will punish you by having you watch Dora the Explorer all day.

Doesn't that show have a creeper in it?

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: ETL

I'm liking both 13's already.

Then why vote one?

If I was a doublevoter, baby, I'd have done it.

I like you too.

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: ETL

I'm liking both 13's already.

I like you too.

Buddying.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: 3dice

Pretty sure that was sarcasm again.

[Hinduragi]

No way, I'm not a buddy with anyone that smells like beef stew.

If anyone has been buddied in this game, it's you, buddy.

[Hinduragi]

isn't sarcasm. and are all acceptable for indicating sarcasm.

that's the most creepy one. and are the real smiles.

[Hinduragi]

OSHIT I HAVEN'T POSTED FOR SIX HOURS. Don't want to get called on lurking.

Ranger, I don't really see what you see in Jeanne's and Pursival's posts because frankly their banter looks more like buddying than distancing. If I had to pick one I'd say it's more likely Jeanne is scum than Pursival because her whole "Yay I got a cool role" post on Page 1 is not something you would want to say out loud if you were town. People known to have cool roles are either NK-bait or scum.

Actually I think that's enough grounds for a non-random vote.

VOTE: Jeanne11

FWIW, there are many non-random votes across the board already. All of mine have been so.

Also, your avatar is L and you got pick 1 in a draft based on psychology. I'm actually kind of salty about that and I would've RVS voted you if I had voted randomly.

[Hinduragi]

VOTE: Aronis

Serious vote.

Reasons, spite, or both?

[Hinduragi]

VOTE: Aronis

Serious vote.

Reasons, spite, or both?

I actually have reasons for this one.

Then explain those reasons.

There's only one reason to vote you for right now. That's why I asked him about it to make sure he wasn't mocking your "serious votes with no reason" statement.

[Hinduragi]

This is a blatant lie. You voted somebody over their number choice, which is RVS based.

No I didn't.

[Hinduragi]

Way to try to frame a case that is not even what I was going for.

As for you it's meta

So does he always post walls and try to look as helpful as possible?

It was kinda long winded so I didn't really get much out of it.

[Hinduragi]

Give more than one reason that you scumread all of your current scumreads

This is actually p hard considering we're like 5 pages in and some people haven't even posted in this game I think

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: ETL

I'm liking both 13's already.

If this isn't an example, then what is it?

Voted ETL for popping in to defend a post that was made about her immediately after the post was made then disappearing immediately after.

[Hinduragi]

I'd really like to hear more on scumreads re:persivul, tn, jeanne, and ika(if anyone even thinks he's scum). From each person voting them. Not sure I'm actually following the entirety of why people think any of these may be scum.

[Hinduragi]

I'd really like to hear more on scumreads re:persivul, tn, jeanne, and ika(if anyone even thinks he's scum). From each person voting them. Not sure I'm actually following the entirety of why people think any of these may be scum.

Hey, you guys who just posted.

[Hinduragi]

I'm not asking for your play. I'm asking because I actually want to see why they might be scum.

[Hinduragi]

I guess you will have to wait until day 2 then to find out what I really am, unless you're really deadset on lynching me, which would be a mistake.

@Umlaut Do that and you will not like what happens.

1. If not neighborizer, what did you mean by 65?

2. Why so defensive - you know you brought this on yourself, right?

If you have a powerful town role, you've put a NK target on your back. If you're town and have a lesser role, you're lying by hinting that it's more powerful than it is. Either way you've hurt town by bringing it up.

1. Are you fucking kidding me? Jeanne, do NOT answer this question yet.

[Hinduragi]

Pretty obvious what he's been voting for if you read this game.

Unvote; Vote: Persivul

[Hinduragi]

You know, I was all full and well ready to hop onto Jeanne then you came in here and basically scumclaimed for me.

[Hinduragi]

I saw it the same way as that soft claim. But she isn't claiming. Not until she's at L-1 like anyone else.

You do realize scum have the most incentive to prioritize the doc role slot, right? HELLO.

Doctor OR Roleblocker

That's immediately the first role I looked at where I said "If Aronis or Umlaut pick this before me, they're probably scum. You get to remove the possibility of a doctor and get an RB. Until we are at the stage of the game where we massclaim, stop assuming "town has such and such" role and start assuming scum have every decent PR. Jesus Christ.

[Hinduragi]

You know, I was all full and well ready to hop onto Jeanne then you came in here and basically scumclaimed for me.

Oh please, don't try to pin rolefishing on me. As noted, I spotted her soft earlier and kept my mouth shut about it until others made it an issue.

You are rolefishing and your questions are abysmal. One is specifically asking her to claim and is completely unwarranted and another is asking her "why so defensive". Like, barring the fact that she's obviously claimed PR a million times, it's pretty obvious why she's defensive and no, I'm not going to answer this for her and give her a town perspective and scum perspective on her own question. Then you're immediately voted and quote all of someone's vote posts and try to make them look bad.

[Hinduragi]

I was all full and well ready to hop onto Jeanne

Why?

I'll explain later when it's relevant and so the cat isn't out of the bag before the big surprise party even happens.

[Hinduragi]

And for the record, I just want to reiterate to everyone: don't assume any alignment has any certain roles. It's possible that the first people to pick a certain role slot could've ALL been scum and that the town has no pr's at all because they all went for those slots. No, it isn't likely and obviously you know if you're a PR or not. Save this info for another day. Mafia have more information about this than we do obviously and can operate under that. The game's the same as always. Informed minority, uninformed majority. You know the deal.

[Hinduragi]

You're asking her to claim. That's not happening.

What gives? Suppose doc protection goes to her based on her recent hints and cop gets killed, then it turns out she is a neighborizer. Would you be happy with that?

I misread this as you saying you wanted doc protect to go to her. But no, this is even worse logic. Because 1.) it assumes we have a doc and 2.) it assumes we have a cop and 3.) it assumes NK goes to her, a scummy individual. There's no reason to even care about this. There's too many theoreticals for it to matter and a NK is going to be unpredictable by nature. We don't know anything about the role layout. We don't need to know anything about it. And there sure as hell isn't going to be doc protects just because someone claims a PR when they could just as easily be scum with that PR.

[Hinduragi]

I'm not doing quote by quote.

Yes, you can, by shutting up about it and not asking for clarification on someone's role and/or what they mean. Let the lynch run them up.

1. If not neighborizer, what did you mean by 65?

You don't know if you're role fishing or not but it sure as hell looks like you became curious about the role. You're looking for whether or not she's a certain role in asking this, not whether she's scum. I don't need to know nor do I care to know anything else about this question other than that.

Not really. There's a lot more to it than that. I could ask you the exact same thing right now because you've definitely perked up now that people have voted you and it wouldn't accomplish anything except establish what I already know.

Like I said, not answering this for her. This isn't relevant to whether you're scum, she's scum, or anything else. It just helps her formulate a defense by posting possible reasons.

No it doesn't. What makes you look bad, though, is how quick you are to judge him and attempt to make him look bad immediately after he votes you.

[Hinduragi]

You can't see reasons for withholding reasons but there are many. It's kind of hard to see why from a scum perspective anyways though.

Any doc who protects someone who spouted they got a PR on page 1 isn't a doc that's going to be able to protect a cop except by rolling dice. This is seriously irrelevant to the discussion and the fact you're trying to push it further is pretty pointless as it just clogs up this thread. It's not something worth discussing because it's already assuming so many theoreticals and you just find a specific point and keep pushing it further in your nervous defense of yourself.

[Hinduragi]

If we're being smart and sassy about things, I just said quote by quote. I quoted one thing because it was relevant to what I was saying.

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If not neighborizer

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You did ask her for her role. And you did so directly. There's no reason that you need to know this as town. There's no reason to make it available for the entire town and mafia to see. If you think she's inconsistent, you can vote her. Asking her "if you're not neighborizer, what does this mean" is not an acceptable way to go about it.

You have. Your posts in the early pages are much different from your posts now.

No. You saying they're bad as soon as he votes you is bad. I don't know when site meta dictated that people post reasons behind their votes but votes without reasons and votes with reasons all have their own place.

[Hinduragi]

in your nervous defense of yourself

I almost always take heat D1 and am quite used to defending. This is my VT game. If I were scum and 13th in the draft order, I'd just lay low, see what developed, and join a wagon later in phase.

Yes, laugh it off. A rather nervous way to go about it and the use of your smilies is forced. There was no reason to mention "this is my VT game". I can see you sitting there typing this out and trying to casually mention "it's my VT game" as you frantically go through posts and quotes to try to defend yourself as soon as 2 votes are on you. In a game with 8 to lynch. That speaks for itself.

[Hinduragi]

I'm going to sleep. Had an exam this morning so I stayed up all night studying and posting here in between and I want to rest before my next class. We'll do this later if you want to go at it.

[Hinduragi]

I'm asking because I actually want to see why they might be scum.

Well when it comes to Persivul, I can give you this: scum had the ability to talk during the number selection phase, right?

How much do you want to bet that Persivul posted something along the lines of what he said in the mafia PT? Telling his scumbuddies what some of the most optimal numbers would be?

Incidentally, a side-effect of this (even if I'm wrong about Persivul being scum, this part remains true regardless) is that in any set of duplicate numbers, there is a maximum of one scum.

Dude, this is actually genius!

Scum would never have picked the same numbers, I'm pretty sure.

[Hinduragi]

This is of course highly speculative without a flip, but if Ranger's bit about only 1 scum in duplicates was a scum slip, then:

No. Ranger doesn't have the balls as scum to propose that kind of strategy and then blatantly inject it into town minds. I can already tell you that and I haven't played a single game with anyone here before.

[Hinduragi]

I wish my vote were on someone else right now so I could change it to Jeanne.

I don't even blame you.

[Hinduragi]

I havent read. But lynching number 13 because he cant play rite isnt good.

Was that really the entire basis of your vote?

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: Jeanne

Don't claim yet, Jeanne. You're obviously scum though.

[Hinduragi]

^L-2

[Hinduragi]

I havent read. But lynching number 13 because he cant play rite isnt good.

Was that really the entire basis of your vote?

If I said yes would you be mad?

I voted him because ika wanted me to

No. Have you guys even read the game?

[Hinduragi]

Trying to get Ranger to spit out why he thinks I am scum? Given he refuses to give answer, I think it's pointless, so I changed back. Get that cracker to explain why he thinks I am scum, cos he refuses to tell why.

And you're going to achieve that by lynching percy?

Well, how else to achieve it. I tried to ask him multiple times and he ignored me. If you have any means to get him to spill, share them.

You know, I think we should just lynch Jeanne and not have her claim at all. End this noise.

[Hinduragi]

Or you could simply get Ranger to spill why am scum, but for some reason and shut me up that way, you're avoiding doing that.

You're not doing anything to avoid your own lynch except to vote whoever you see coming down the waters of riptide.

[Hinduragi]

Know that he ignored every statement or question that I directed at him. How convienient for you to ignore that part. You must really want me gone. I am honored.

You know, for someone who was so excited in the beginning of this game, I'm really seeing a lot more control out of you that I didn't expect you'd exhibit at L-2. My vote and posts up to this point were a joke. I'm done joking now.

[Hinduragi]

Hey everyone.

I was in the top 4 in the draft phase, doe. And I have the role I wanted since that thing. Go me!

This.

@Hinduragi And somehow, the questions I asked Ranger that he ignored mean 'nothing'? Mmkay. *scribbles*

Became this.

How many of you think it's okay to vote everyone with pressure to make someone else post a case against you?

[Hinduragi]

Know that he ignored every statement or question that I directed at him. How convienient for you to ignore that part. You must really want me gone. I am honored.

You know, for someone who was so excited in the beginning of this game, I'm really seeing a lot more control out of you that I didn't expect you'd exhibit at L-2. My vote and posts up to this point were a joke. I'm done joking now.

Whaddya mean?

Who do you think is scum? Why?

[Hinduragi]

Tbqh, I don't think claims should be done today at all unless the person going down thinks it's alignment relevant and wants to put the info out there. I honestly don't give a fuck if you claim Innocent Child unless you've done something with that action. Fakeclaims for scum are easy because of how slots work. Claiming D2 when you may have results or past day information makes more sense but still isn't relevant.

Stop asking for a claim from Jeanne. It changes nothing about the game tbqh, especially when scum can daychat coach her.

[Hinduragi]

My scumread since the beginning was Persivul. I only changed to Ranger to get him to spill the beans, given that he ignored me when I tried to learn why he thinks I am scum.

p-edit: Apparently, ika thinks that I make too much white noise, so the only logical thing to do is lynch me. Therefore, I am gonna shut up on my own accord. See you in seven hours, if I am not lynched by then.

I'm going to actually lynch you if you don't get back in here and start posting some reads.

There's no way you think only one person's scum and have no other reads, scum or town. Post them. Reread if you have to. Make it quick, please.

[Hinduragi]

That's good enough for now. If you're scum, your buddies didn't have enough time to help you formulate that list and be careful with it.

Unvote; Vote: Persivul

[Hinduragi]

O my God is this really happening? She's clearly busy, let's not deride this thread now that we've gotten it out of the off topic RVS.

[Hinduragi]

Right here, about to get a haircut. What's up?

Probably going to drive for 10 minutes to get to the place so I'll post from there.

[Hinduragi]

O my God is this really happening?

Is what really happening - a charge of lurking? Yes, that really happened, and is quite common in mafia games. When her overall activity lined up with her activity here, I didn't press it. But considering her ability to make ~20 posts elsewhere yesterday, it was a reasonable point to make. You certainly are judgmental of others' points of inquiry.

She's clearly busy,

Now it's clear, before her response it was not at all clear, as she was posting elsewhere throughout the day.

I made that post because you brought up some ducking accounting bill shit. I'm on phone so it's hard to format and quote.

[Hinduragi]

Right here, about to get a haircut. What's up?

Probably going to drive for 10 minutes to get to the place so I'll post from there.

i meant in terms of reads and relative strength. i need someone to bounce off right now.

Oh. Aronos scum. Persivul is scum. Jeanne is pure lulz and is the easy wagon I think scum would want to jump on. L over there town af. Don't care about ika because he wants blood and I want someone like that to live into D2. 3dr and Tn town. Not feeling anything else atm.

[Hinduragi]

Nvm, waiting for window to defrost and reread thread. Ranger is super strong town. Don't like PO much at all.

[Hinduragi]

Just saw hammer placed and need to make quick phone post before day close.

L is Umlaut, it's the anime guy in that avatar. He is very obvtown, beyond all doubt. Tn's scumreads are severely wtf level and I think she needs to be pushed on them tomorrow. I'm fairly sure Aronis is scum. Jeanne will slip if she is scum so I don't see her as lynch priority at all.

Carefulness needs to be displayed tonight. Otherwise we're looking at a lot worse than just a simple mislynch. Please use all pr's and think before using them lest we handicap this start more than we have already.

[Hinduragi]

I believe in you

[Hinduragi]

I have university responsibilities too. Yet I still manage to follow the clock. Because not modding properly (delayed flips etc) would get me into trouble.

Rob I am so sorry.

Good job, remaining town. I don't think anyone except the above was blacklist worthy but some play was cringe worthy to start the game off. Then again, certain people just needed to suddenly fall ill with a case of dead in this game so I understand why it happened.

[Hinduragi]

Not only that but the criticism for activity was definitely unneeded. That was shameless.