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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:25 pm

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There's a real casualness to TheCow's posts where he's inviting people to vote him, and that takes real ability to fake as scum.

I don't think he's likely to be scum here after 607.

I really shouldn't have to remind you that dont prioritize conhesive posting and logic debate. I engage in that when I feel the need to, but I literally just got out of a game where I spent 2 pages trying to lynch a dead guy in lylo.


That doesn't explain why you suddenly forgot that the game has only been going on for three days.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:27 pm

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So sue me or vote me.
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Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:28 pm

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I'm currently busy helping another customer, but if you'd like I can call you right back.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:29 pm

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Vote Count 1.10

DeathNote (5) - Frozen Angel, Fro99er, RadiantCowbells, TheCow, JarJarDrinks
Frozen Angel (2) - Nero Cain, pisskop
Dwlee99 (2) - Wake88, davesaz
TheCow (2) - DeathNote, Aeronaut
Keyser Söze (2) - Zulfy, Dwlee99
davesaz (1) - Wickedestjr
pisskop (1) - Keyser Söze

Not voting (1) - Nosferatu

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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:32 pm

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In post 609, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 607, TheCow wrote:If you'd rather lynch me, just vote me :^)

No, DN claimed a PR for no reason. That makes him a better place to for my vote to be right now.

He either made a huge mistake as town. Which means it's better for us to figure it out ASAP so we can decide how to proceed.

OR

He's scum flailing.

In either case, he's where the votes should be.

The logic for the top one is really bad, here.

In post 624, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, something seems seriously wrong with regards to Jestr's "scumhunting" this game, and I abhor the way he's throwing everything back on everyone else.

Yea. I feel like he's just kind of commenting on things or asking random questions, not really giving conclusions. I don't think i've played with him in awhile tbh; but I feel like he was so much more of a presence in past games.

In post 630, pisskop wrote:keysor. f you arent going to make posts that are paletable.

Reads and reasons. Go.

RT, I can't really even read most of your posts, Key.

In post 632, pisskop wrote:Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Why are we making final wagons of the day? The deadline isn't even in 2015.

I also don't really feel an FA lynch anymore, and haven't really since I stopped voting her.

In post 639, DeathNote wrote:
In post 637, pisskop wrote:Im really confused by keysor.

I want DN to respond to his pushers, tbf.


Who is that exactly? Like, I know RC was the first one and I just shrug that off like you're suppose to. It wasn't until Aero posted me as his scumread that I realized these cats are serious.

Can you answer Jester's question about why you don't think you'll be lynched?
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:37 pm

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Deathnote is bad, because as I've mentioned, him saying "oh, you won't lynch me today" like it was a jedi mind trick and expecting the wagon to disappear is something that I've seen scum do on numerous occasions. Here's the thing; it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.

Having said that, I don't really like that as soon as there was pressure put on Cow, he effectively disappears. Not that he was much of a presence to begin with.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:40 pm

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In post 666, Aeronaut wrote:They aren't in a particular order.

Ok.

In post 666, Aeronaut wrote:Here, I feel like he either doesn't care much, or is trying to make it look like he doesn't care much.

I do care.

In post 676, pisskop wrote:So sue me or vote me.

Can you please answer my questions/serious concern from post 657 so I can move on.
You not responding stops any productive interactions between us.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:42 pm

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I mean I have in my other posts; my other recent posts in which the same question was fielded.
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:43 pm

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Keyser. Idc if you said that you'd prefer the scum. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.

When is it EVER?!?!?!? a "win" to mislynch? EVER??!?!
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:45 pm

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When you're an evil scumlord, of course.

*dastardly plots foul acts of villainy*
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:46 pm

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In post 684, RadiantCowbells wrote:When you're an evil scumlord, of course.

*dastardly plots foul acts of villainy*

EXACTLY. LYNCH KEYSER! ;-;
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:51 pm

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In post 680, Aeronaut wrote:it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.

From my perspective, as soon as you posted your reads list (with DeathNote sat at the bottom) it fucked him up (post 639).
Somehow, your scum-reads carried alot of weight.
He sounds a seasoned player.
I would love for him to describe his game so far.


In post 683, Dwlee99 wrote:When is it EVER?!?!?!? a "win" to mislynch? EVER??!?!

Actually you are right Dwlee99!
It is not a WIN if a miss-lynch happens.
Miss-lynch bad.
Scum-lynch good.
Me not like bad.
Me like good.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:02 pm

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omg keyser.
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:04 pm

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In post 667, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 649, DeathNote wrote:Oh oh I got this.

*Ahem*

Image


Except everything I said is perfectly valid and accurate.

I note that you're trying to discredit me without discussing my alignment at all; why?

What's your read on me?

Okay, DeathNote is town.


Bullshit.

Unless you're about to claim mason with him, I'm lynching him then you.


No it isn't!!! Aghhhh I don't even WANT to bother discrediting because your as bad at this game as I am. I like it waaayayyyyyy better when you talk and be silly and force reads out of people then when you suddenly think you know how to play the game and try to push on someone who is obviously not scum.

I can't read you. If I try, I always think you are scum. Plain and simple so I just avoid it and know that you will likely be lynched eventually anyways and then it's not on my hands.

Just curious here, but you would lynch him AFTER I flipped mason? And because I'm not a moron, no this question wasn't serious because I understood what you meant and wasn't trying to catch you in a misuse of words. No town/scum/third party player would try to lynch a mason after his claimed mason buddy was revealed. Sorry for rambling.

In post 671, RadiantCowbells wrote:

In his original QQ about meta post he was complaining about people townreading and that he didn't fit into the site meta because he didn't have those meta reads, and treated them like word of god clears.

Then he backtracked in response to your post and said that he was in fact still trying to push Cow, even though it's clear in his first post that he was treating the meta reads like clears.


I still remember that he changed his stance in response to one of your posts, which I will remember after I lynch him.


This is not entirely true.
deathnote bitching about meta wrote:
However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.


I wasn't complaining about people townreading each other, I was complaining about people meta reading each other. Note that I said they are both scum or town, not just town. My point was that what the fuck am I suppose to do in a game when scumhunting gets trumped by meta reading? I can call Fro99er scum all day but because of that Aero meta read, I probably won't get him lynched. Hell, it even convinced me that they were both probably town. That frustrates the living hell out of me.

As for the bolded, I don't know what you are talking about. I had a scum read on Fro99er which I backed off on because of Aeronaut. I then called out Cow for a shit post and later voted for him because he continued to shit post. My only crime there was I didn't really have a case, I just saw shit and voted it.

In post 680, Aeronaut wrote:Deathnote is bad, because as I've mentioned, him saying "oh, you won't lynch me today" like it was a jedi mind trick and expecting the wagon to disappear is something that I've seen scum do on numerous occasions. Here's the thing; it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.

Having said that, I don't really like that as soon as there was pressure put on Cow, he effectively disappears. Not that he was much of a presence to begin with.


Yeah, I'm bad. Get over it, people do shit all the time that's bad. Was it a scumslip? Fuck no! I just don't have the patience to sit around and let people apply pressure to me so I try to speed things along. Either people hate my statement and vote me out quicker or they realize "oh, he probably is town" and drop it.

Also that last statement is bullshit. Do you know how I play too? No? Then stop saying you can't see what "Town-DN" would do. If you want to generalize it and say "I don't see how a town player can do that" then fine but don't assume to know how I would play.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:08 pm

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Someone at some point asked me what my regrets are.

None. I have no fucking regrets. Only scum says "shit, I should have done that better."

You want a regret from me? Rejoining a mafia game. Like... even that's unfair though. I have nothing against AP and enjoy him as a person. I just get super frustrated at how different forum mafia is compared to everything else and that we can't play THIS GAME instead of dragging other games into it. People linking past finished games and acting like you are meant to do research on the people you are playing... it just feels dirty and cheap. I know there isn't much way around it sometimes when you play against he same people over and over but I will NOT be rereading someone like Kezer in different games to try and see if he plays the same.

Let's face it, people play differently. You wanna meta my game play from 2009 when I first started? Be my guest, you would see some crazy different play. Shit, you wanna meta me from a year ago? Still way different, promise.

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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:10 pm

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In post 682, pisskop wrote:I mean I have in my other posts; my other recent posts in which the same question was fielded.

Still not seeing it.

Why "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow"?

Why Keysor "would also be lynchable"?

Why "And possibly others"?


It seems like you were open to many lynches/orchestrating us.
I would prefer to see you push your own individual scum-cases, and not push multiple/possible lynch wagons.

The game only started this weekend, why did you feel you were in a position to post this?

If I could see evidence of your strong scum reads of "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow", "Keysor" and "possibly others" - I would understand.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:24 pm

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Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:28 pm

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In post 626, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 327, Nosferatu wrote:@Dwlee: How is vote hopping even opportunistic in the first place? Do we just use long words for the heck of it no matter what it means? You're totally giving rise to a pulmonary edema in my lymphatic system right now.

You can't see how Dwlee99 could see that 'vote hopping' is opportunistic?
"pulmonary edema"?
Shut the fuck up.

It's sarcasm. You see, I said in the sentence previously, "Do we use long words for the heck of it no matter what it means", and so I said "pulmonary edema", which is an excess of fluid in the lungs, "in my lymphatic system", which gets rid of toxins in the body. See, if you look, the two phrases are used incorrectly which contributes to the sentence previous to it.

And as for the opportunism in vote hopping, dwlee took the stance that vote hopping in and of itself is opportunistic when in reality it isn't, the number of times you change vote isn't important, it's when you change votes that makes it opportunistic. I kind of mentioned this in , but you obviously didn't read that.

Also curiously, the timing of my votes are suspicious, when I only made one??? Would like to hear your explanation for that one.

Dwlee99 wrote:Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?

What scum slip
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:33 pm

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I see your slip now
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:38 pm

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For some reason this game is getting me so salty.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:40 pm

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I can actually read Keyser's posts in his previous games :/
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:43 pm

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In post 691, Dwlee99 wrote:Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?

I change my mind Dwlee99.
Yes, WIN-WIN.

In post 692, Nosferatu wrote:so I said "pulmonary edema", which is an excess of fluid in the lungs, "in my lymphatic system", which gets rid of toxins in the body.

Fascinating.
But inevitably null.

In post 692, Nosferatu wrote:dwlee took the stance that vote hopping in and of itself is opportunistic

Ok.

In post 692, Nosferatu wrote:when I only made one???

I can't even remember who or why you even voted.
Your scum-case left no lasting impression.
The timing of your interactions concerned me though.
Who the fuck are you scum reading Nosferatu?
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:46 pm

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In post 695, Nosferatu wrote:I can actually read Keyser's posts in his previous games :/

Scum-indicative?
No.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:59 pm

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In post 634, JarJarDrinks wrote:Right. I'm trying to figure out if there is actually an answer that u would think does make sense.
This is completely irrelevant because, as I said before;
In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:Our inability to come up with something doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a perfectly good explanation that we're missing.
I think it would be very unfair for me to say "Well I can't think of any way for DeathNote to explain himself, so he must not have an explanation".

JarJar wrote:
In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:I'm a cautious player - is that a problem? Do we really need to rush this? We have another week and half and role claiming is somewhat serious.

See, pretty sure this is what RC is talking about w/ you misdirecting stuff back @ people.
I didn't misdirect anything. Why do you think that I did?

Also, you shouldn't listen to anything that RC says about me. We literally just finished a game where he incorrectly expressed certainty that I was scum. He literally has no idea how to read me and if he's town here, he's continuing to make that clear.

JarJar wrote:I'm going after you about this because I think YOU look scummy for it. Not because I'm admonishing you for slowing down his claim.
Well I seriously have no idea why this bothers you. I think my intent behind the question is pretty clear. There's no reason for me, as scum, to ask DN a useless question if I know there's no good answer that he can give. If I knew he couldn't give an answer, then why would I have asked the question? :roll:
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:01 pm

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Also, you shouldn't listen to anything that RC says about me. We literally just finished a game where he incorrectly expressed certainty that I was scum. He literally has no idea how to read me and if he's town here, he's continuing to make that clear.


Yeah well you lynched me you labia.

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