Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[Aeronaut]

you know, though... the fact that scum probably tried killing me last night also points to AJ.

Why? It makes sense to kill you anyway.

Yea.



It's between you and Dier today. Is basically the deal here.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Aeronaut, how do you explain that I only have one scumread atm and am townreading the rest? If I were scum I would prefer to keep my options at least a little more open. I would expect to be "wrong" about Dierfire and knowingly set myself up in a situation where I would have to retract at least one townread. That's not very smart.

Dierfire on the other hand has many potential scapegoats to choose from.

[Aeronaut]

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #4.66:

Dierfire (3): AlwaysInnocent, Aj The Epic, Davesaz
AlwaysInnocent (1): Aeronaut
Frozen Angel (1): Garmr
Aj The Epic (1): Dierfire
Garmr (0):
Aeronaut (0):
Davesaz (0):

Not voting: Frozen Angel

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut, how do you explain that I only have one scumread atm and am townreading the rest? If I were scum I would prefer to keep my options at least a little more open. I would expect to be "wrong" about Dierfire and knowingly set myself up in a situation where I would have to retract at least one townread. That's not very smart.

Dierfire on the other hand has many potential scapegoats to choose from.

*Puts on IC hat*

Sentences that start with "If I were scum" are usually not going to help people think any differently. Especially with this case; some people when scum play really different than others, and while you may claim to like to keep your options open as scum, sometimes that's just not the strategy.

Where have you said you're town reading every other person?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Post #1561

[AlwaysInnocent]

My townread on Aj became much stronger after that.

[Aeronaut]

ugh.

Ok I'm going to go to class now but I'll look at more options when more people chime in. Frozen, Garmr, I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

[RadiantCowbells]

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #4.68:

Dierfire (3): AlwaysInnocent, Aj The Epic, Davesaz
Frozen Angel (1): Garmr
Aj The Epic (1): Dierfire
AlwaysInnocent (1): Aeronaut
Garmr (0):
Aeronaut (0):
Davesaz (0):



Not voting: Frozen Angel

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-04 14:00:00).

Song:

Toto: Africa

Notes:

Rap remix isn't too bad actually.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm so tired

do this tomorrow

[Garmr]

Grammar what do you think? I'm not gonna lynch Frozen today, so what's your take on AI/Dier?

Tbh I wouldn't mind lynching either of them. I noticed dave is null in your list I would put him as a town lean.

Out of AJ and AI I would like to think AJ is the scum because that means I would of called him out earlier. But ego aside Ai comes out scummier.

Day 1
AI's play was extremely passive. In the beginning he takes no stances on the mattp wagon.
He really did like to put people as fence town

Lowell's last post is quite convincing. I am going to place Lowell at fence-town for now.

Anyway, Garmr is taking such strong positions that if he is wrong, he knows he is going to face a lot of scrutiny.

So I am putting him at fence-town for now(!). No need to bother with him yet.

I am currently slightly scumreading:

{Mathilda, Dierfire} and after them {

Dwlee

}.

I noticed that he only has slight scum reads nothing concrete. But he feels the need to single out dwlee. If they are all borderline scum reads why is dwlee after them?

Radja is fence-town for me. His reactions are not the best, but he is still trying to scumhunt (despite the pressure) and I like that.

Then we have Albert B. If Mathilda is indeed scum, I am gonna say Albert B. is town.

My read on Dwlee is less strong (and is basically a result of a very early application of PoE). While he has made quite some posts, he does not really seem to be pushing the game forward or anything. He says he is a poor scumhunter, which can be either true or false; but it does seem like a poor excuse for not scumhunting.

Look at that another fence town. It's like you have no commitment.

MattP looks fine to me. I don't know why people want to vote for him. Aero is a good bet for Town on his wagon. His points on Iraonavp are good; currently Iraonavp would be my best guess for Mafia on his wagon if he's Town.

Now I have to dive into Taly's posts.

Nice white knighting here. It also looks like Dierfire is yelling that he is scumhunting without actually doing any of the scumhunting.

But let's DIVE some more into Dierfire's posts!

This seems like a shitty excuse to change wagons. I wouldn't call this post white knighting. I'd expect scum to come in and defend the town.

I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.

I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.

I don't approve of the dier vote.

Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.

Weird way to interact with dwlee. Also just noticed you saying that I didn't accomplish much here. was going to wait till the end of my post to vote you but fuck that.
VOTE: Always Innoncent

I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.

I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.

I don't approve of the dier vote.

Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.

You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?

I can also vote for you, if you want.

an odd post sounds like scum bickering.

I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.

I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.

I don't approve of the dier vote.

Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.

You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?

I can also vote for you, if you want.

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

I don't like the threat.
I question your vote and you immediately attack me for it.

I like threatening my perceived opponents. I think you could be scum buddies with Dierfire.

Tries to link deir with dwlee with no reason.

I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.

This post is whats weird. I think it might of been a plan to try and set up deir.

Always innocent and dwlee had very weird bickering.

Dwlee leaving could be because of the bickering with AI.

[Garmr]

also deir is L-1 care.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Garmr, you're quoting the very posts that actually prove the opposite of what you're claiming. The interaction with Dwlee is not faked. I genuinely didn't like his passive play.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Also, I don't "bicker" with fellow scum behind the scenes. At most I try to stage something like this, but I don't think I would be so aggressive towards Dwlee if I were scum.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Also, perhaps you missed it, but Dwlee explicitly said that he didn't approve of the Dierfire vote. Why not? I think I know why: because Dierfire was his actual scum buddy.

[Garmr]

Also, perhaps you missed it, but Dwlee explicitly said that he didn't approve of the Dierfire vote. Why not? I think I know why: because Dierfire was his actual scum buddy.

I think this is more of a reflection of how you would play not dwlee. He has no issue with bussing. There also the option that deir is town and dwlee was trying to get brownie points off deirs lynch because at that stage it could of happened.

You pretty much fulfill all these criteria. you didn't vote fire/dwlee once and you defended abr.

Also, I don't "bicker" with fellow scum behind the scenes. At most I try to stage something like this, but I don't think I would be so aggressive towards Dwlee if I were scum.

You weren't aggressive at all. It was bickering but there wasn't anything aggressive.

Garmr, you're quoting the very posts that actually prove the opposite of what you're claiming. The interaction with Dwlee is not faked. I genuinely didn't like his passive play.

Not liking someones play doesn't mean you the opposite alignment. If you really had a problem with dwlee I would see you switching to lynch him since your deirfire reasoning was bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

also deir is L-1 care.

my bad.

[Aeronaut]

Grammar what do you think? I'm not gonna lynch Frozen today, so what's your take on AI/Dier?

Tbh I wouldn't mind lynching either of them. I noticed dave is null in your list I would put him as a town lean.

Eh I guess about Dave. My problem there is I feel like I'd be scumreading him if Taly hadn't made that claim.

ALTHOUGH I suppose ABR would not have called him out on that so much if they were buddied up. So yea, Dave is town.

Garmr, you're quoting the very posts that actually prove the opposite of what you're claiming. The interaction with Dwlee is not faked. I genuinely didn't like his passive play.

... That's entirely subjective. Like, you saying "Garmr's posts just prove the opposite!!!" without providing any inkling of why means absolutely nothing.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Dave is town.
Aj is town.
FA is town.
You are town.
Garmr is town.

I am town.

So that leaves us with...

[AlwaysInnocent]

But feel free to lynch me. We will win anyway.

Unless I am somehow wrong about someone, but I doubt it.

[Dierfire]

@Davesaz

VCA gives me either Dierfire is scum (evidence being his wagon could not be used to save scum ABR or scum Firebringer) or AlwaysInnocent (evidence being pattern of vote parking Dierfire and being unwilling to abandon that seemingly for any reason). I did that strictly off the official votecounts so there could have been an AI vote change that changed back before the next VC, skimming in this way would not pick that up.

Repeating this read again. If Dierfire isn't scum, then

why didn't scum use his wagon to save ABR

?
I don't see any way that scum let one of themselves go down without a fight, unless the other wagon was also on one of them.

Again, I'm wondering about your reasoning here.

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #3.57:

Albert B. Rampage (5): Aeronaut, Garmr, Dierfire, Aj The Epic, Frozen Angel
Dierfire (1): AlwaysInnocent
Aeronaut (1): Albert B. Rampage
Aj The Epic (0):
Davesaz (0):
AlwaysInnocent (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Garmr (0):



Not voting: Davesaz

You're Town, right? There must have been at least four Town players voting for ABR, right? How would the Mafia players have arranged to save ABR in that situation? Why do you think that my wagon should have been particularly attractive to Mafia players? Am I to assume that it was to do with one of the other vote counts (1275, 1325, 1375)? I would really like for you to explain what you mean and how you arrived at your conclusions.

[Dierfire]

If it's a choice between me and AlwaysInnocent I'll move my vote to him because I'll be wrong about his alignment more than 0% of the time, but I'm not excited by the prospect.

[Dierfire]

It's probably a good idea for Frozen to be making the choice anyway.

[Dierfire]

@Frozen

I'm kind of scumreading everyone beside Aero ...

Does that include me? If so, why are you hesitating to vote for me?

I'm pretty much null on bothe direfier and dave like their purposely making themselves harder to be readed ...

When you get back I would like to hear exactly what your read on me is (I will certainly also ask for your reasons).

[AlwaysInnocent]

You're Town, right?

[Dierfire]

I think that Aero and Garmr are probably Town.
I think that Davesaz is probably Town but his logic is wrong and it frustrates me because I can't correct the error if he won't show me where it is.
I think that AlwaysInnocent is probably Town but if he's the only lynch that we can get I'll go for it.
I don't know what Frozen is doing and I'm suspicious of the stalling action.
I think that Aj has a reasonable chance to be Mafia.

If we do end up lynching me today my recommendation will be to lynch Aj tomorrow as a matter of housekeeping and then probably Frozen in LYLO.