Blitz 24: Great Idea Mafia

[RadiantCowbells]

survivor.

if I make even a miniscule attempt to scumhunt I will instantly eat a nk from every single anti town faction so I'm just not gonna post.

later.

[RadiantCowbells]

yup, your role is pretty useless this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

eh fakeclaiming survivor is too dirty.

VOTE: lilith2013

doc/bg things on me or guaranteed n1.

[RadiantCowbells]

fight me!

[RadiantCowbells]

when is the fighting starting?

[RadiantCowbells]

*draws lightsaber*

Have at me, sith scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hashah!

*swings lightsaber*

[RadiantCowbells]

My name is Inigo Montoya, and you killed my father. Now prepare to die!

STOP SAYING THAT!

[RadiantCowbells]

That's what the man with 6 fingers says.

zzz

[RadiantCowbells]

lilith pinkie promise me that you're town aligned please.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's hard to tell when you're not put on the spot and forced to respond instantly :S

[RadiantCowbells]

*sticks tongue out*

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Radiant
Just kill this D1 and save all our eyes from unnecessary reading.

VOTE: Persivul

Just kill this D1 and save him from pushing lynches on obvtown while I'm trying to lynch scum.
My extra postcount adds up to actually understanding the gamestate. You should try it too!

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah, I'm not survivor.

I was just playing at seeing if it would keep me alive through a few night phases but that's obviously not happening here.

[RadiantCowbells]

It wasn't, as it happens, a joke.
I was fully serious about making the claim at the time that I made it but decided against it for various reasons.

Have you ever fake claimed as scum before? @rc.

No man, I would NEVER fakeclaim as scum.
But I have rolled macho townie bodyguard bus driver mason angel of death bringing shiro back to life cop vig doc

but why would you help town as survivor? You just die to mafia.

and your trying to make associations before anyone flipped on page 3 ;/

yeah pretty much.
revenge kill is plus I feel like there's no way I'll make it to d2 without screaming that someone is scum and needs to be lynched.

Regardless, how do you feel that the claim was originally real, and fake, with the sole purpose of trying to stay alive? And then he realized that wasn't a good idea. So he retracted the claim as fake?

Feel how you wish about it, but it will be neither the first nor the last time I've fakeclaimed to try not to get n1ed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not survivor.
I claimed Survivor in the hopes that it might allow me to live a few days in and be able to play LyLo which is where I really shine, but the only LyLo I've seen this year so far has been one I replaced in and the other towny was way too stubborn to let me lead so I sheeped him into a town loss. I want to be able to actually play this game for multiple days, not just one.

I once saw you mason claim with firebringer. You were scum

Did you click the links?
I fakeclaim as both alignments.

@rc: What makes you so sure you'd be killed N1 without a claim?

you don't know me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually the Bringer mafia link was meant to link to Diablo mafia.

Where I fakeclaimed both as Mason d1 and as Malthael the angel of death later in the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Eh, maybe, but I'm better at avoiding lynches than bullets.

[RadiantCowbells]

@rc: our last game you made it to the end. Checking some completed games: Mini 1751 you were alive at the end, Newbie 1671 you were alive at end.

Alive at the end?
We got N1ed and vengekilled Titus hydra for the win. We were dead in a game that ended N1 mate.

Newbie 1671 I replaced in, tried to lynch Camn, Tictac threatened to vote me if I kept trying to change the lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

Diablo 3 alive at end

Yeah, I was scum.
I've yet to NOT be alive as scum when a game ends.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like Lilith is highly liable to be scum here...

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I don't know you're not.
I feel like you are kinda.
Talk to meee

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know.

Give me good feelings.

[RadiantCowbells]

OK Lilith.
How do you feel about my survivor claim?
Why do you think that I made it, why do you think I retracted it, do you think it indicates that I'm scum, town, survivor, or any?

[RadiantCowbells]

What does your gut say about me?

*resists urge to edit instead of triple post*

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, but what does your gut say about me anyway.

I won't hold you to it.

[RadiantCowbells]

*cries*

[RadiantCowbells]

uh.... scum?

Why aren't you pushing RC then?

let us do our thing

*cries*

what are you doing..

idk I feel like people always have their gut reads on me mispolarized.

[RadiantCowbells]

like you read all of my town games and people are like "urgh we should trust RC because he's been so pro-town but I have this gut read that he's scum"
whereas I'm scum and people are like "oh he changed his claim 3 times but I feel like he's definitely town this game"

it's pretty funny.

if you were scum, would you claim to townread me or scumread me here and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you claiming universal miller or are you claiming miller as in shows-up-as-mafia?

[RadiantCowbells]

100% down.

but I'd need far more time and posting.

[RadiantCowbells]

like you read all of my town games and people are like "urgh we should trust RC because he's been so pro-town but I have this gut read that he's scum"
whereas I'm scum and people are like "oh he changed his claim 3 times but I feel like he's definitely town this game"

it's pretty funny.

if you were scum, would you claim to townread me or scumread me here and why?

probably townread because you always see right through my fake scumreads on you.

urgh you're pinging me really bad right now but I don't want to scumread you.

pls be town.

Are you claiming miller or universal miller?

[RadiantCowbells]

then again you're actively trying to engage me, which you never really did as scum.
the mixed feelings...

I'm not sure to be honest.

[RadiantCowbells]

I just feel like you wouldn't be going out of your way to engage me as scum.
But I actually really didn't like 12.
And I don't really feel like you're trying to sort me here?
I'd expect you to be the one asking questions but you've mostly been passive about letting me sort you, which doesn't jive unless you're townreading me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well that's sort of weird to me because you've been letting me ask all the questions and the focus has seemed to be on helping me read you.
If you're uncertain about your read on me, where do we go from there?

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to policy lynch her for not claiming whether she's miller or universal miller.

[RadiantCowbells]

town!lilith was pretty passive in Word Sneak mafia

I wanted to pour syrup on a lot of her posts

I agree to an extent but she's been proactive about reading me in the past and I don't feel that here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean this is great idea which is multiball so whether I'm scum or not associatives will be thrown out of whack and flips won't be as useful for determining my alignment.

Do you say that you suck D1 because of lack of content or because of lack of flips?

[RadiantCowbells]

Universal miller shows up as a bunch of different scummy things so if we have different types of cops we can confirm it.

Miller just shows up as mafia.

Yes. Blackstar was final scum. You don't seem to get NK'd N1 much. I don't think scum are particularly afraid of you.

Oh you mean Blitz?

Are you forgetting that Smither tried to N1 me? lol.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm reading setup a bit more now.

[RadiantCowbells]

/shrug maybe

I yolo hammered town so that does tend to keep me alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, it's a skill and you have to learn and practise!

What I do when I'm feeling kind of stuck is just ask a bunch of random questions about whatever and try to get a read on the answer.

[RadiantCowbells]

fwiw that kind of *ugh why is this happening!* into disengaging is exactly what she did when she rolled scum in chatmafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

when she was town she was really forceful about convincing me that she was town too, although that may be a difference in meta between chat and forum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not actually intending to policy lynch her; I just want her to hardclaim.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

If we have a role cop of some sort they should be on Ranger because a miller check will clear her.
If we have a standard cop they should check me for reasons I will fully disclose some other time.

[RadiantCowbells]

not mafia, but don't make me explain the reasons for it today unless we have a protective role.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pip's play isn't ringing town with me, particularly his exception to my naked vote.

If this goes nowhere, I can get behind Pers or RC.

p-edit:+1

Wait, you're saying that your top 3 scumreads are Itle, pers, and myself?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ranger townreading me makes me so skeevy.

That never happens.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm with you on Itle.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls stop doubtcasting my request for a cop check.

If we have a cop, they check me. no questions.

[RadiantCowbells]

No.

If I don't get cop checked no one is allowed to push on me the rest of the game.

Is that clear?

[RadiantCowbells]

Stop trying to stop this from happening.

Cop checks me. no wifom. end story. bye.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, they should check me and then if I get voted up they should out.

I don't want to explain it at this time.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you continue to argue I will vote you and prod dodge till you get lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

are you fucking serious okay.
I am a fruit vendor.
fruit vendors only roll as town or mafia.
a not-mafia check clears me as town.
are you happy?

[RadiantCowbells]

doc on me, this game is stupid.

[RadiantCowbells]

you're all fucking telling the cop not to check me.
where the fuck do you find town motivation in that?
VOTE: Lane0168

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

This guy is usually obvtown and he's not this game.
His "make RC show us he's town by play" is complete bullcrap and strikes me as not wanting to lose someone he sees as a potential mislynch.
More votes here please.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't recall ever being afraid of a push from you.

[RadiantCowbells]

What other motivation do you have to try to encourage a potential clear to not be cleared?

[RadiantCowbells]

Because a cop can only clear you as not mafia.

You could still be werewolf, alien, etc, etc.

A cop clearing me plus my role being confirmed = confirmed townie.

[RadiantCowbells]

LOL

"might"

[RadiantCowbells]

What other motivation do you have to try to encourage a potential clear to not be cleared?

Personally I'd rather have a cop - and you're making a really big deal about something we might not even have in the game - find scum than clear one person, and especially one person who's more concerned with personal survival than actually scum hunting.

My personal survival feeds back into my ability to continue to scumhunt anyway.

Just cop me protective on me easy win.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow scum really don't want me getting cleared this game.

GL/Lane scumteam prolly.

[RadiantCowbells]

What other motivation do you have to try to encourage a potential clear to not be cleared?

Personally I'd rather have a cop - and you're making a really big deal about something we might not even have in the game - find scum than clear one person, and especially one person who's more concerned with personal survival than actually scum hunting.

My personal survival feeds back into my ability to continue to scumhunt anyway.

Just cop me protective on me easy win.

This post. I've already pointed out that we might not have a cop in this game, and that I feel investigating RC because he wants us to is at best a useless plan and at worst falling for a scum trap. But RC jumps on me for discrediting the idea of investigating him, but is fine with Persivul doing the same thing.

Also, my scumplay is a lot better than this but I've learned not to use that argument after Searching with Dragons mafia.

check out Newbie 1667 for some dope GL scum game

Because Persivul is noted for being a mediocre town player.

You are not.

[RadiantCowbells]

If there's a cop they should out.

Otherwise I'm just going to selfvote and quit wasting my time with this stupid game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like we rolled something really stupid with a 3 person scumteam that's just piling onto me.

Lynch everyone on my wagon for a free win.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're twisting me attempting to get a slot mod cleared as scummy.
It's not about it being me, it's about it being the right fucking play to clear as many people as we can.
And yes, a cpo should out because that means my role is confirmable WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S A REALLY FUCKING GOOD REASON NOT TO LYNCH ME TODAY.
This wagon is awful and if you're not scum you should see it lane.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're forgetting, Lilith, that with 4 potential scumteams and a claimed miller that a cop isn't actually a particularly useful role in this setup.
Only mafia would be particularly inclined to night kill a cop, and the main reason they'd do that at this point is to try to get me lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm still deciding who had the worst vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

The difference is I've literally never been mislynched day 1 before so this wagon is a special kind of awful.
Like, when you consider how many games I've played to never have been mislynched day 1 but you guys are managing to pull it off.
I think it's sort of sad. Unless you're scum, in which case well played and this town is awful.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I was worried that I wouldn't make it long enough to do any real scumhunting cuz multiball.

But nah.

Lynch everyone on my wagon consecutively.

If they're town, well, good riddance and the loss was well deserved.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not voting Itle today.
Lane, Persivul, Xtoxm. Pick one.

[RadiantCowbells]

GL, can I get your vote onto one of the people on my wagon, preferably Lane or Xtoxm?

[RadiantCowbells]

If you don't help us build a wagon it'll default to me and you'll end up lynching the same tomorrow people anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't give a shit if you're town or not if you're voting me to be honest.

[RadiantCowbells]

And yes, a cpo should out because that means my role is confirmable WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S A REALLY FUCKING GOOD REASON NOT TO LYNCH ME TODAY.

If a cop did claim today, why wouldn't scum just NK you or the cop?

This is multiball.

Scum don't know what other scum are doing and there's the potential for docs and other shenanigans.

Oh, and I get nked? we just avoided my mislynch. not the worst case scenario.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Persivul

Actually I think that's a slip.
He supposedly thinks that I'm scum, so why wouldn't he say "why wouldn't you just kill the cop claim"?
Why does he fully assume that I'm town?
He treated me like I'm definitely town while voting and scumreading me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote's not changing.

Lynch one of us today, lynch Persivul tomorrow if you screw up today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay then Persy.
What do you do when I flip town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Persivul, who do you go after?

What are your assumptions about the wagon?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I'm good at scum because I see long term.

I don't play to focus on surviving or getting a good lynch on one day, I play to win towncred long term and endgame cleanly.

Persivul, who do you go after tomorrow?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's literally awful.
Guarantee you this is scum!Persy by the way.
Renewing calls for a 1v1. let's do it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have to head out. Last post of the day.
If you end up lynching me, Persivul goes tomorrow, no questions. Hell, scum should probably cross kill him.
Cross killing is good in Great Idea. I get the feeling he's not alone as well.
Bye.

[RadiantCowbells]

Didn't ask you.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's literally awful.

Why - particularly in a blitz? I'll bet that most people here haven't asked themselves

hey what will I do if they flip green

for every vote they've made. Are they all literally awful too?

Guarantee you this is scum!Persy by the way.

Check nether's diffusion of power - when I'm scum I likewise plan long-term.

I haven't asked them. you're scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can't leave for another 20 minutes.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you nitpicking everything in my play that's not alignment indicative?
You're basically nitpicking stuff that I do all the time and saying "WELL IF HE WAS SCUM HE'D BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT."
You've given no reason for me to actually be scum here besides that I could be scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if you guys write this off as TvT after my flip I'm going to be pretty fucking pisssed because Persivul clearly isn't town here.

I also get the feeling that Lane knows that I'm town but is just voting me because he's a salty mofo.

RC, do you think I'm town?

I don't see why you'd stick out your neck on my behalf as scum in multiball.
I'm pretty sure you're town, yes.

I voted you because I found the call for a cop to out to be really scummy.

Why should I allow myself to be mislynched by idiots when my role is potentially confirmable?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why did I call for cop to out then?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why did I call for cop to out then?

Why did I call for cop to out if not for those reasons?

[RadiantCowbells]

Where is my scum motivation here?

[RadiantCowbells]

Now how in the world could I know you're town rc?

Do you really have to ask what the scum motivation is behind asking the cop to out himself day one? If there is a cop in the first place?

So what, you think I wanted to kill the cop?
I'm afraid of the cop?
That would make me Mafia, correct, because that's the only thing cop can redcheck.
So your case for Scum!RC is that I called for a cop to check me as mafia after insisting that it would come back not mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

Now how in the world could I know you're town rc?

Do you really have to ask what the scum motivation is behind asking the cop to out himself day one? If there is a cop in the first place?

So what, you think I wanted to kill the cop?
I'm afraid of the cop?
That would make me Mafia, correct, because that's the only thing cop can redcheck.
So your case for Scum!RC is that I called for a cop to check me as mafia after insisting that it would come back not mafia.

this is the legendary RC scum play boys.
roll mafia, claim survivor then retract and immediately demand that cop check me.
it's no wonder I'm a scummy nom with plays like this.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's like when you think about the cop thing you want to consider its multiball so outting the cop isn't scummy, but when you think about the wagon on rc, all of a sudden you're not considering multiball, rc is town and other people are scum.

Not a good thing when you change your assumptions

but if the wagon on me is scummy and you agree so why are you prioritizing lynching scum!RC over all of the other scums.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's my fucking point.
No one besides Mafia cares about cops.
It's not a super strong PR and the only person in this game who can actually be cleared by a cop check.
So where the fuck is my scum motivation in asking the cop to out, Lane?

My thought is that you're banking on there not being a cop at all.

THEN WHY DO YOU CARE THAT I ASKED THE COP TO OUT?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, it was a general observation that it's difficult to sort RC because he's deliberately developed an ant-town meta.

Why did you spend so much time with him in early game if you're now just going to turn around and say that nothing he does is alignment indicative?

Why are you acting like she's supposed to find my actions scummy?

I am town and Lilith has correctly identified that. Why have you not?

Bullshit, he was L-3 when I voted him and no more viable than other wagons.

Your defense of RC is moving beyond town trying to find the truth...

I hate being wagoned and that's a universality to my play.

Why are you scumreading me for things that you agree are not alignment indicative?

Itle has the right of it btw, and unless I'm getting wagoned.

You ask for a cop clear banking on there not being a cop. Which is pretty likely there isn't. Then you ask them to ourt themself so you can kill them if there is. It's your futile attempt to prove yourself town. It's an incredibly safe scum play to look town

It's so incredibly safe that I risk

1) being considered near confirmed town and being a bullseye night kill target
and
2) risk getting wagoned for it... like I just did.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would scum!RC even want to be considered confirmed town in multiball?
I'd just get cross killed.
Correct multiball play, especially for someone as NK prone for me, is to stay on the down low. I have done the exact opposite of that.

If you think that I'm scum you're an idiot and you should slap yourself when you see my flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

I found it and am voting it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well if you don't get lynched, you can rest tonight knowing that youre not confirmed town. Or near it. So be happy

Bitch I get night killed even when scum agrees I'm the easiest mislynch.

Read 1750 WW chat.

[RadiantCowbells]

If we're not lynching Persy I want someone who has been quiet, like Xtox or SMRP.

[RadiantCowbells]

She was voting me for jokes because the first thing we do in every chatmafia game is try to sort the other.
Why do you have such a problem with it?
Why the fuck is Persivul trying to spin every single thing that's clearly not related to alignment into a scumtell?
Why are you all letting him get away with it?

Let's see "town fruitvendor" give something nice to someone. And not die. And get cleared by non existent cop. Lilith better not get your shit. I better to prove you're vendor

I'm not giving it to YOU because if you die we lose the confirmation and my ability confirm in the future.
If you want to leash my fruit vendor to any other person, I'm okay with that.

[RadiantCowbells]

I remember Ranger and Itle's stances.

I don't remember anything at all from SRMP.

[RadiantCowbells]

She was voting me for jokes because the first thing we do in every chatmafia game is try to sort the other.
Why do you have such a problem with it?

As noted, she was voting you, but as soon as the votes increased, she unvoted and began defendinig you. Why the change? And why are you answering for her?

She was voting for me as an RVS vote that led into a lightsaber battle, then as soon as I was pressured she unvoted and starting defending me because she

never scumread me

and that's obvious from her play the whole game long.

Stop misrepping her play.

[RadiantCowbells]

I remember Ranger and Itle's stances.

Yeah, Ranger's on Lilith.

So you're implying that I remember Ranger's stance because it's on Lilith because she's my scumbuddy instead of because she actually took stances?
The fuck is that logic?
What's one stance that SRMP took?

So an accurate representation would be that she voteparked on you the whole day and didn't do any real scum hunting?

That's such a horrible misrep since it's a blitz game and she never really got into it until now and she's been scumhunting like crazy today.
She defended me in a situation where there was absolutely no scum motivation to do so. I will not vote her this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lilith pls stop thinking that Persy's scumhunting you because he thinks you're scum.
He is scum and wants to try to use you to push a lynch on me.
Vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lane you better feel really fucking stupid.
This is like Dance mafia all over again.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's no case on me and the votes on me are excessively sticky with no justification.
These are scum votes.
Just fucking lynch Persivul tomorrow, all I'm asking.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lilith, pls vote Pers with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why don't you vote one of your OTHER scumreads since I'm extremely liable to get night killed anyway?

[RadiantCowbells]

Persivul- recent posts are weird and try hardy bit still town

How is Persivul at all town?

[RadiantCowbells]

The only reason I'd vote Itle at this point is because it's possible that Persivul's vote is so sticky because he's using me as a counterwagon to Itle.

Please vote Persivul.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's 5 hours left GL.

If you do not enable another wagon you are tacitly supporting my lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

But I don't entirely support an Itlepip wagon and you've expressed support of a Persivul wagon?

[RadiantCowbells]

All what opposition to my wagon?

Literally everyone has been supporting my lynch besides lilith.

[RadiantCowbells]

The problem is that he does anti-town stuff as town all the time, so it doesn't matter what he does, a couple people say

oh he does that as town too

and there's not enough to lynch. Fake claiming and role fishing would be plenty to get most people lynched, but RC has crafted a teflon meta over the years.

Persivul, this implies that I play scummy as town to aid my scum meta.
I actively dislike playing scum and besides 184 none of my favourite games are scum games.
Also you're implying that I try to make my town game look like lynchbait; nothing could be farther from the truth; I don't get mislynched often for a reason.
I play yolo because yolo play garners better reactions and upsets the balance. nothing less, nothing more. it's optimal.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's the entire point of what I'm trying to say.
What does scum!RC gain from any of this?
Being cleared paints a target on my back, being cop investigated gets me lynched if I'm fruit vendor, not being able to fruit vendor gets me lynched if Lane's alive, I just ruined myself on day 1.
Like, why did I do this as scum. Lane likes to say lolgambit, but this is a gambit that has no chance of winning.

[RadiantCowbells]

@ GL: As others have said, there's a statistically small chance that there's a cop. A mafia fruit vendor could make a gambit on the probability that there's no cop. He then sends fruit, doesn't get outed by a cop report, and it gives him towncred.

I had an 100% scum winrate last year and its not because I play games with autoloss. And even if that worked, I'd just get cross killed.

There's no benefit here.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's the entire point of what I'm trying to say.
What does scum!RC gain from any of this?

Being cleared paints a target on my back,

being cop investigated gets me lynched if I'm fruit vendor, not being able to fruit vendor gets me lynched if Lane's alive, I just ruined myself on day 1.
Like, why did I do this as scum. Lane likes to say lolgambit, but this is a gambit that has no chance of winning.

Then what was the town motivation for being cleared? The cop wastes an investigation on a townie, who then gets killed N2 anyway.

Because I am no longer a viable mislynch and it gives me free rein to lead a lynch the next day.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I'm not usually a viable mislynch anyway.

But, apparently, in this game it matters.

[RadiantCowbells]

Buckle up crowley!

[RadiantCowbells]

So that I don't get deadline lynched?

I'd think that would be obvious, no?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, he was killed to frame me. I checked with the mod and my fruit vendor still went off tonight barring other actions.

Regardless, I delivered fruit to Ranger because I figured she was both town and not likely to be night killed.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Persivul

This is still just as scum as it was yesterday, by the way.
Not sure why you all wagoned Itle.

[RadiantCowbells]

Without a cop report fruit means 50/50 town/mafia.

I also don't like the fact that despite the fact that he was claiming to scumread me, he's talking like he's fairly sure my fruit went off without a hitch.

That gives me really bad feelings.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lane was a guaranteed vote for RC. Kill was likely made to protect him.

Fruit or die.

This is pretty effing terrible too.

If I was in fact role blocked or something instalynch this slot.

[RadiantCowbells]

What if Xtox is scum and killed Lane thinking that either it would prevent me from delivering fruit or that I would fruit vendor him, and wanted to score the easy lynch on me?

[RadiantCowbells]

So little content, jesus.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lucky I will fucking do that for my vig shot.

Goodbye Persivul.

[RadiantCowbells]

I still think Pers is scum but I'm warming to an Xtoxm lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that both Xtox and Persivul are far more likely to flip scum than you are.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want Ranger to actually get involved.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Persivul

Alright, this is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Would still happily lynch Xtoxm. This is multiball; why would I kill my own enabler when another scum faction could have easily killed Ranger and gotten me instalynched?
I didn't like the Itle wagon today or yesterday, GL. I was pretty clear about that towards the end of the day.
I have difficulty believing in Town!GL's indecision here.

I really don't think that Lilith is scum here. When she rolls scum on chatmafia she mostly tries to avoid engaging me and tries to get me mislynched.
She spent most of this game trying to get me to talk to her and share reads and I don't believe that she would have WKed me in that manner as scum, particularly when if she's scum she would have known that I would likely end up catching her this game. She's never really triggered my scumdar either.

Can we please just lynch Persivul though? Instant 180 on the Lilith slot, scummy as fuck, all the d1 shit, etc.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great Idea mafia is a multiball setup.
Maybe there's only one faction but on D1 I would absolutely assume that it's multiball.

[RadiantCowbells]

How does that even make sense?

Great Idea Mafia is a multiball setup.
End of story, goodbye.
Even with a single kill N1 I'm still assuming multiball considering I could see many groups of people having reasons to kill him.

Persivul's just voting everyone who gets under any pressure atm. Lynch it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm assuming it's multiball, yes.
I don't *know* it's multiball.

I get the definite impression that Persivul is scum who is paranoid that I'm scum because he knows his faction submitted the Lane NK.

[RadiantCowbells]

why do you feel that I'm overstating your play day 1?
if you were scum you would have kept your hands clean and let everyone lynch me or even personally gotten involved.
I do not see your scum motivation in sticking up for me in a multiball setup.

[RadiantCowbells]

you did stuff when it counted.
if you gotta lynch me for icky feelings then do it but I will not vote you this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

look I have an understanding of how you play scum and that understanding entirely precludes you recklessly defending me in multiball.

that's the kind of thing that I would do, but it's most certainly not the kind of thing that you would do.

particularly when I chain lynch you when you roll scum in chatmafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

I pin you as scum nearly, if not every game in chat mafia.
I can't imagine you being happy about keeping me alive if you were scum here.

Why GL?

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you not have an issue with the way that Persivul's voted nearly everything that's looked like it might go through?

He's voted everyone in the game except Xtoxm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Including you.
1 page you're sincere, Ranger puts you as #1 scumread, instant vote.
Now he's voting me for calling him out for it.

I don't understand why Persivul didn't get lynched yesterday but I'm not letting him live another day.
Xtox a strong contender for partner fwiw.

[RadiantCowbells]

I will describe any great idea game as multiball until the game has ended.
Your 'scum slip' is complete crap.

Exact numbers aren't important, you're voting everything that looks like it has a chance of happening even when they conflict with your stated reads.
EXCEPT xtoxm, funnily enough.

And unfortunately I have no defense against Ranger because all she can say is that I sound insincere. how am I supposed to argue with that?

I'll talk to her. Vote Persivul.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're sheeping Ranger when her reads clearly contradict yours.
Makes sense.
I mean I think Ranger's an awesome player but that doesn't mean I drop everything I'm doing and vote my townreads on her beck and call.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's amazing how you just make things up as you go and double down when you're proven to have lied. This is part of the reason you're on my blacklist after this game - along with general abrasiveness, and the fact that your town win rate is terrible.

My town winrate is over 50% these days thanks to me slaughtering in games as town in the new year.
I will continue that trend when I lynch you.

[RadiantCowbells]

And please, don't pretend you replacing out of 1678 was some grand gesture.
You were beaten and you knew it. Only reason you replaced out.

At least you told the truth for once.

Annie is not adorable.

...fuck.

Feb 4 isn't much of a sample size.

What was your town win rate in 2015?

So not in the mood to have this argument with you.
We have yet to play a game as town together where my reads haven't been far better than yours.
And it was barely below 50%. That's how I got my OVERALL TWR up above 50%.
And that's someone who mostly plays normals, which are statistically much more scumsided than Theme games.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, as it happens Persivul switched votes to me.
He's still scum though.
Lilith, why are you reluctant to vote him?

I'm probably no better. But, you were 100% in your 3 scum games. If you recall I've said that your playstyle favors scum games at the expense of town, and the numbers support that. I'm not saying you do it purposely, but it does work out that way.

No. That's really not the case.
Read the 1678 mafia thread. We did 8 pages of the two of us over one game day.
I'm good at scum because I'm

good at scum

.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lilith, wtf?

Why have you not voted Persivul yet?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't understand why Lilith's so obsessed with the vote on her or why she's not voting Persivul when she's talking like she's scumreading him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Let me think.

Why are you so interested in Persivul's vote on you if you don't think it's scum opportunism?
If you think it's scum opportunism, why aren't you voting him?

It sort of feels like you're more interested in the vote than his alignment atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

No. That's really not the case.

I checked the games, and yes, it really is the case.

I'm not 100% in 3 mafia games, I'm 100% in like 15.

Stahp.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't understand why Lilith's so obsessed with the vote on her or why she's not voting Persivul when she's talking like she's scumreading him.

Sometimes I get irrationally angry and start attacking everyone who's attacking me

Okay, that's fine.

What's your read on Persivul and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

What aspects of my play do you feel like I'm doing to make it easier to hide when I roll scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like this is just the way I play.
Ask anyone who knows me; I greatly prefer playing as town.
I value the games that I play town and perform well far over the games that I play scum.

I would never put my town play on the back burner to further a scum meta and have never done so.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm not even sure if you're for reals here about this because you're probably scum anyway and maybe you're just trying to get my goat.
But I do well as scum not because my meta enables me to do so, I assure you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Have really strong feelings about an Xtoxm / Pers scumteam right now.

I hate how Pers keeps voting me then jumping back off when crowd sentiment turns in my favour.

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you claiming super saint?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't believe in his Supersaint claim.

I am willing to hammer him if necessary.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact, no.

This isn't how a super saint would react to being voted up.

Put him to L-1.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, WW supersaint is a thing.

I'll still hammer him on the condition that Xtox follows me though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just curious, if had rolled scum together in this setup (which is multiball) would you have been agreeable to being bussed?

[RadiantCowbells]

It's entirely not alignment indicative, I was just wondering.

[RadiantCowbells]

I asked because I was wondering how I'd actually have dealt with this game had I rolled scum.

I'm not sure if I would have wanted to bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

Game's too unpredictable.

I can usually pull off a bus smoothly enough to get super townread for it, and I'm sure hypothetically I could have gotten out of the pool of being prospectively ever lynched from bussing you, but that's not actually a good place to be in this setup. Most likely scenario of trying to bus you in this setup would probably be that I get considered near confirmed town and if there's another scumteam they just say "welp RC never getting lynched let's kill him" and we both die in the first 24 hours.

I'm legit surprised I'm alive today tbh.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would prefer you didn't.

I would like Xtox to hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

Lilith vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I doubt he's super saint.

[RadiantCowbells]

Givin xtox 20 minutes to show up and hammer or I'll do it.

[RadiantCowbells]

no one else hammers.

[RadiantCowbells]

Persivul is town look into GL.
Persivul scum instalynch Xtox.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, you wouldn't be defending me at all. You'd be in dead thread cuz I bussed you d1.

jeez.

[RadiantCowbells]

Um... I'll make an exception for you?

[RadiantCowbells]

SO MANY QUESTIONS

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay lilith let's play 20 questions. I'm thinking of something. go.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you can't figure it out in 10 minutes or 20 questions I don't hammer persivul btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

see I told you you could learn those psychic abilities.

VOTE: Persivul

[RadiantCowbells]

*shrug*

yolo.

[RadiantCowbells]

xtox is scum. I promise you that.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm too antsy to do anything waiting for the flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh.

Two kills?

the fuck?

[RadiantCowbells]

Massclaim now. If we can't pinpoint the second kill as coming from a pro-town source we NL.

[RadiantCowbells]

So you're the other alien?

where'd the other kill come from though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Claim, Xtox.

[RadiantCowbells]

Otherwise I just lynch you and give the win to the scum faction that wasn't yanking my chain all game.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Xtoxm

OK other scum faction can win if you want to be a gigantic twit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lilith would have had a target that she would have thought was confirmed as clear.

It wasn't me because I'm town and she expressed doubt on her read there.
It wasn't Persivul because she flip flopped on that.
It wasn't GL because she didn't vote there.
It wasn't Ranger because Ranger was town.
It wasn't SRMP because she voted him.
It wasn't herself.

Tada, you are the confirmed bloodhound target. And she went from major league FoSing you at the end of D1 to mostly townreading you in D2.
Cut the fucking bullshit dude. You are Persivul's partner. If there's another scum faction we need to lynch them today.
Cooperate or die.

[RadiantCowbells]

because she did vote GL*

[RadiantCowbells]

And no shit.
One shot vig = one shot alien factional kill.
So you can stop, unvote me, and work with me.
I should be confirmed town to you since you know that I'm not alien and would have had no reason to try to prevent town!Lilith from hammering a potential supersaint.

What are you, what results have you gotten, why do you think GL is the other scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

You guys did not make the Lane kill so you must have known it was multiball D2, hence the Pers comments.
So I'm assuming that the kill was made by another scum faction.

[RadiantCowbells]

Which kill did you guys make last night?

Ranger or Lilith?

[RadiantCowbells]

K the thing is that you're lying so much that I just want to lynch you on principle.

If you hardclaim and explain the situation I might let you live and try to lynch the other scum.

If you're going to pull this shit I'm just going to vote you and stop paying attention to the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

It helps me decide which living player that is not you is likely to have made the other kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would rather lynch you and give whoever is not you the win because of how much of a pain in the ass you pushing on me all game has been tbh.

if you want to earn even a tiny bit of goodwill toward me hardclaim and tell me who you guys killed.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, you first.

Because you're not a fucking 1-shot vigilante.

[RadiantCowbells]

Guilty claim.

[RadiantCowbells]

Xtox has scumclaimed, yes, plus Lilith's investigation was obviously on him.

[RadiantCowbells]

yup.

real unfortunate but hey.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh.

GL is confirmed for the other scum.