Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!


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Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:38 am

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Classic Rock Mafia:
Votecount #4.70:

Dierfire (3): AlwaysInnocent, Aj The Epic, Davesaz
Aj The Epic (1): Dierfire
AlwaysInnocent (1): Aeronaut
Frozen Angel (0):
Garmr (0):
Aeronaut (0):
Davesaz (0):



Not voting: Frozen Angel, Garmr

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-04 14:00:00).



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Foreigner: I don't want to live without you



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Not actually too big of a fan of this song to be honest.
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Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:40 am

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after the danish blue game I'm won't ever town read anyone for the reason ABR was really want them dead.

he was literally conf biasing his partner in that game
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Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:41 am

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My townread on Aj is further reinforced by my reasoning closely matching Aj's. This makes me more confident that he is town-motivated.

Contrast this with Dierfire's reasoning, which seems really, really off, in a self-contradicting way.
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Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:42 am

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I don't know about that game, but I do remember scum-Albert B. being really annoyed with me, when I voted for him for lurking. This feels very similar to his conflict with Radja.
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Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:47 am

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64408

this game

he was literally the one who destroyed the Ice slot
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Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:52 am

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Weird game. I would probably have been fooled by him as well. But it still feels different this time.
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Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:36 am

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In post 1723, AlwaysInnocent wrote:This is why Aj (previously Radja) is not scum:

In post 171, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Radja


In post 174, Albert B. Rampage wrote:And why are you voting me for not engaging with the game and not Mathilda who I'm voting for not engaging with the game? Aren't you just hypocritically doing what I'm doing?


In post 487, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Radja, if you play chicken with me, you will blink first, I guarantee it.


In post 492, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 488, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Albert B, Radja is likely stubborn town. Uncooperative and uncompromising to the point of it hurting himself.

That's a reasoning to point at why someone would be scum. Scum get annoyed at scum buddies just as much as town. Even dwlee at that point said the reasoning on abr was crap but didn't push aj for it.
He might look to be stubborn town to the untrained eye, but he's not.


In post 493, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's very easy to fake posts like radja. I'll do it right back at him to prove it.


Albert B. was genuinely annoyed with Radja and wanted him lynched. Remember that Radja was close to actually being lynched at that point. After a while the wagon dissipated and Albert B. moved on to Mathilda.
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Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:41 am

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What are you trying to say, Garmr?
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Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:59 am

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Oh that scum are just as likely to bus with genuine frustration as he may of viewed radja as taking the team down. Dwlee showed frustration as well and didn't act to much on it.
In post 195, Dwlee99 wrote:Radja your vote is absolute garbage. It's absolute hypocrisy.
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Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:03 am

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In post 1722, Frozen Angel wrote:
Aj : his todays post specially looks like he is failing so much. like he can't defend himself. he really wants to jump on others and just make a lynch happen.


Would you please take a moment to read my posts? There's not an OUNCE of truth here. I've wanted Dier dead since Day 1. I'm not jumping on lynches at all, I've stuck to the same one because I strongly believe he's scum. I 'can't' defend myself? How about I haven't even attempted to. There's NOTHING to defend because I'm right and my lack of motivation is waiting for you to make up your goddamn mind and finally kill of dier.

It's boring watching you fret your indecision.
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Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 1733, Garmr wrote:Oh that scum are just as likely to bus with genuine frustration as he may of viewed radja as taking the team down.
I don't know how you play as scum, but I tend to treat scum as "buddies" (at least behind the scenes). We're in it together. Even if a partner doesn't play so well, I'm not going to throw them under the bus because I feel like they screw up the game.

Dwlee showed frustration as well and didn't act to much on it.
In post 195, Dwlee99 wrote:Radja your vote is absolute garbage. It's absolute hypocrisy.
Because Dwlee was defending his partner in crime.
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Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:08 am

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Unless I have their consent to bus, of course. Sometimes it is inevitable. But in Radja's case? No way.
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Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:33 am

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In post 1735, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1733, Garmr wrote:Oh that scum are just as likely to bus with genuine frustration as he may of viewed radja as taking the team down.
I don't know how you play as scum, but I tend to treat scum as "buddies" (at least behind the scenes). We're in it together. Even if a partner doesn't play so well, I'm not going to throw them under the bus because I feel like they screw up the game.

Dwlee showed frustration as well and didn't act to much on it.
In post 195, Dwlee99 wrote:Radja your vote is absolute garbage. It's absolute hypocrisy.
Because Dwlee was defending his partner in crime.

That's your problem. Because you are constantly saying that's not how I play. Guess what not everyone plays like you. If you use the same standards for everyone as what you would do you are just doing two things.

1.You are making yourself easier to read
2.Scum will know how to manipulate you and play to your standards and you end up being a tool for them.

Hell everyone is different and not to long ago bussing your scum buddies was a must do every game now that's died down.
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Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:39 am

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In post 1737, Garmr wrote:
In post 1735, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1733, Garmr wrote:Oh that scum are just as likely to bus with genuine frustration as he may of viewed radja as taking the team down.
I don't know how you play as scum, but I tend to treat scum as "buddies" (at least behind the scenes). We're in it together. Even if a partner doesn't play so well, I'm not going to throw them under the bus because I feel like they screw up the game.

Dwlee showed frustration as well and didn't act to much on it.
In post 195, Dwlee99 wrote:Radja your vote is absolute garbage. It's absolute hypocrisy.
Because Dwlee was defending his partner in crime.

That's your problem. Because you are constantly saying that's not how I play. Guess what not everyone plays like you. If you use the same standards for everyone as what you would do you are just doing two things.
I know that's not how everyone plays, but it is the most rational play.

1.You are making yourself easier to read
Meh. It is just common sense. Besides, this information is initially unavailable since you don't know how people will flip.

2.Scum will know how to manipulate you and play to your standards and you end up being a tool for them.
It's not as easy as you think it is. I can be deceived and manipulated like everyone else, but if you think I'm an easy tool because I give insights into my play, then you're very mistaken.

Hell everyone is different and not to long ago bussing your scum buddies was a must do every game now that's died down.
When I played on other sites, I bussed every game for town creds. But, there is a difference between that and the genuine frustration expressed by Albert B. and Dwlee.

(1) Bussing for the sake of bussing is much gentler than being upset with a townie.
(2) There is the element of consent.
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Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:15 am

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When has mafia ever followed common sense
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Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:07 pm

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Hi, sorry, I know I'd be helpful here but I'm going out tonight and probably won't sober up for awhile, so will get to this tomorrow
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Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:57 pm

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I return.

@Davesaz


In post 1710, davesaz wrote:
In post 1375, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Albert B. Rampage (3): Aeronaut, Garmr, Dierfire
Dierfire (2): AlwaysInnocent, Aj The Epic
Aeronaut (1): Albert B. Rampage
Aj The Epic (0):
Davesaz (0):
AlwaysInnocent (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Garmr (0):



Not voting: Davesaz, Frozen Angel

When doing VCA the last VC is usually the least important one. This is the one which matters. If Dierfire is town, scum could have tied it at this point and fought harder for that wagon.


This isn't quite correct because the ABR wagon is artificially small at this point--Frozen put him at L-1 and removed her vote at the request of AlwaysInnocent.

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In post 1325, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Classic Rock Mafia:
Votecount #3.54:

Dierfire (2): AlwaysInnocent, Aj The Epic
Aj The Epic (1): Dierfire
Albert B. Rampage (1): Aeronaut
Aeronaut (1): Albert B. Rampage
Davesaz (1): Frozen Angel
AlwaysInnocent (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Garmr (0):



Not voting: Davesaz, Garmr,

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-01-28 21:00:00).

In post 1333, Garmr wrote:VOTE: abr

I agree with his role being scum. Who would put a miller and a ascetic on the same team.

In post 1343, Dierfire wrote:UNVOTE: Aj the Epic
VOTE: ABR

Aero justifiably wants me to stop stalling with this. I don't really see why the game needs a Mafia Ascetic but neither do I see why it needs a Town Ascetic.
If ABR is really a Town Ascetic I would expect him to be more suspicious of the Miller claim.

In post 1344, Frozen Angel wrote:Ok nice we caught another scum

VOTE: ABR

he is ascetic and he didn't claim it in the start.

He doesn't believe Miller claim - which make sense becuase he had another anti cop role

BUT the fact is he changed his mind about it?!

yeah he is definitely scum!

His iso is full contradictions!

In post 1345, Aeronaut wrote:L-1.

In post 1348, AlwaysInnocent wrote:If we are going to lynch Albert B. (it doesn't feel right to me), then we should have a more solid case.

We have enough time, don't we?

How about we try to figure this out calmly this time? What do you think, FA?

In post 1350, Frozen Angel wrote:ABR role is as bad as a miller

look at his Iso and his contradictions when he was talking about dave and Taly and You will see what i mean

pedit : sure UNVOTE:

let me show you what I see


The ABR wagon picked up three votes within 20 posts. Again, the Mafia had
at best
two votes to add to my wagon (if you think that Aj and AlwaysInnocent are both Town). My lynch would have required the vote of an additional Town player. It was beyond their power to lynch me at this point and the risks of obviously shifting the lynch to me while ABR is standing ready to be lynched are obvious. The correct Mafia play there given my Town alignment is to vote for ABR and try to hide until LYLO. I don't need you to accept as given that I'm Town but you should at least not be arguing that the absence of a push for my lynch there is inconsistent with me being Town.
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Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:11 pm

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well I like to vote Aj or AI today I think they have a decent chance to flip scum.
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Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:22 pm

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I'm all the drunk



Haiiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooooooooo

I think that's enough is

I'm watching myself live
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Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:25 pm

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lol
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Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:35 pm

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In post 1699, Dierfire wrote:I think that Aero and Garmr are probably Town.
I think that Davesaz is probably Town but his logic is wrong and it frustrates me because I can't correct the error if he won't show me where it is.
I think that AlwaysInnocent is probably Town but if he's the only lynch that we can get I'll go for it.
I don't know what Frozen is doing and I'm suspicious of the stalling action.
I think that Aj has a reasonable chance to be Mafia.

If we do end up lynching me today my recommendation will be to lynch Aj tomorrow as a matter of housekeeping and then probably Frozen in LYLO.


How do people not see this as scum? In what world can you give yourself THREE OPTIONS (which by the way, is how many scum would need in a 1 scum remaining world to put their victory in) and get away with FA dead fucking set that he's magically town. He literally said "I'll take EVERYONE'S suspicions and list them as a possible lynch for me". The reads are half assed, do not have any conviction and don't even have reason.

AI or AJ? Bullshit, FA, bullshit. You need to reconsider and just end the obv-scum's life.
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Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:38 pm

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In post 0, RadiantCowbells wrote:This setup uses daytalk.


oh fuck

its mod confirmed
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Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:39 pm

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Aero are you sure about Garmr ?

Please reread his interactions with FB again - and the claim part
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Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:29 am

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Frozen are you unsure about me just curious?
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Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:17 am

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In post 1748, Garmr wrote:Frozen are you unsure about me just curious?


Definitely unsure about you

that claim was the most stupid useless claim at that time by FB and your claim after ward

I can't find a single reason for that theatrical show. I guess that was pre planned in scum pt
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