NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)
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If SRMP was town I didn't see why he'd avoid the game like he did so that's why I voted.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I have not voted b/c I am not super sure who I want dead right now and I wanted to wait until I had more time to play/think. I was (and still am) suspicious of the AJ/Zulfy slot. I thought his play resembled his play in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64645. So I thought about just throwing a vote down on AJ since AJ isn't really hunting but I do kinda like his stuff against Xkfyu. Distancing from buddy? So I thought about just voting Piss b/c no way that is town.
I'll tentatively buy SS' claim and I'm not super interested in lynching RC and both Robster and Almost are pretty null to me. Xfyu pushing counterwagons to save SRMP is a possibility but I'm not real gung ho on it.
I sorta feel like...if Masquerade misattributed something that Keysor said that logically he'd scum read Cobbler for it. I mean I know that town can get all OMGUSY and stuff and maybe he thinks I'm scum trying to throw shad his way? But if he thought the why would he just not say that? May he his scum and he's pissed off at me that you know I'm bringing up and interesting question that involves his slot...which is why is Masqurade not scumreading Cobbler. I'm really fairly suspicious of Masquerade for immediately fucking bending as soon as he got some flak voting SRMP.
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is my personal lynch pool at the moment.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 3092, Nero Cain wrote:In post 3044, Xkfyu wrote:
Nero, what's your take on Almost, pisskop, and RC?
In any given game Piss is PL worthy but nothing has really changed from earlier. I think he's prob scum. Almost is pretty meh to me. RC is going to be confusing regardless of alignment so I don't really know how to read him.
My view has actually changed on pisskop and RC since I asked that question, but thank you for answering.
I still have quite a bit of concern about both of them, but I am way more confident about Almost being scum than either of them. And if I am right about Almost, I feel like that would suggest that RC and pisskop are both town.-
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In post 3093, pisskop wrote:for starters hes unCCed.
I've been believing his claim as well, but you do realize that all this proves is that he definitely made the kill, right? It doesn't necessarily clear him as town.-
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In post 3106, Golden Robster wrote:Coming back to that exchange sherlock?
Actually, I'm doing Descartes this time, and trying to discard everything I believe and start from scratch.
I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.-
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In post 3107, Golden Robster wrote:I think we should all take a moment, breathe in and out, and proceed to lynch Aj.
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In post 3108, Xkfyu wrote:In post 3106, Golden Robster wrote:Coming back to that exchange sherlock?
Actually, I'm doing Descartes this time, and trying to discard everything I believe and start from scratch.
I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.
Descartes meditations were focused on discarding all empirical knowledge because they couldn't be relied on and trying to find one piece of certain knowledge without experience; cogito ergo sum.
bruh I don't see how rationalism is going to get us anywhere-
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In post 3108, Xkfyu wrote:In post 3106, Golden Robster wrote:Coming back to that exchange sherlock?
Actually, I'm doing Descartes this time, and trying to discard everything I believe and start from scratch.
I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.
Also that kind of reasoning is wrong
being right about 2 of your scum reads doesn't make them any better
and revisiting your scum reads when they no longer apply is tantamount to saying
"oh look a town person died, better tick them off the list of potential scum"
"Time to FoS every person who is currently alive"
Dude eliminating and narrowing it down is what i've been doing with wagon placement analysis and i've come to the conclusion that there is scum in aj/masquerade-
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In post 3110, Golden Robster wrote:In post 3108, Xkfyu wrote:In post 3106, Golden Robster wrote:Coming back to that exchange sherlock?
Actually, I'm doing Descartes this time, and trying to discard everything I believe and start from scratch.
I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.
Descartes meditations were focused on discarding all empirical knowledge because they couldn't be relied on and trying to find one piece of certain knowledge without experience; cogito ergo sum.
bruh I don't see how rationalism is going to get us anywhere
You could be right. Perhaps irrationality IS the answer.
In post 3111, Golden Robster wrote:In post 3108, Xkfyu wrote:In post 3106, Golden Robster wrote:Coming back to that exchange sherlock?
Actually, I'm doing Descartes this time, and trying to discard everything I believe and start from scratch.
I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.
Also that kind of reasoning is wrong
being right about 2 of your scum reads doesn't make them any better
and revisiting your scum reads when they no longer apply is tantamount to saying
"oh look a town person died, better tick them off the list of potential scum"
"Time to FoS every person who is currently alive"
Dude eliminating and narrowing it down is what i've been doing with wagon placement analysis and i've come to the conclusion that there is scum in aj/masquerade
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not currently suspecting every player alive right now. But I have at one point or another in the past. So, those times are the times that i'm going back to look at.
Take the exchange of ours that I just posted as an example. I thought it was scummy then. I still think it's scummy now. However, if something had happened since then that made me see it not scummy, I would've just forgotten about it, and not even have posted it.
I actually totally agree with you on your conclusion. I think that one out of {Aj, Masquerade} is scum, but I highly doubt they're both scum, and I'm still more convinced that Almost is scum than anyone. In fact, that is the ONE assumption I'm taking with me on my "meditation." And, unless I can find something that contradicts that assumption, I'm keeping it until he's lynched.-
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Vote Count 4.4
AJ The Epic (3) - Golden Robster, RadiantCowbells, SnarkySnowman
Nero (3) - Masquerade, Cobblerfone, Almost50
Almost50 (2) - Xkfyu, pisskop
Xkfyu (1) - AJ The Epic
Not Voting (1) - Nero Cain
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!
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There's much more to why I want Almost lynched than just that I believe him to be scum.
Based on the assumption that I'm right, and that Almost is scum, I have town reads on RC, pisskop, Aj, and now (though a little less) Nero. And, barring something completely unexpected, I don't really see those reads changing much. So, a scumAlmost flip would give me a ton of information.-
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In post 3108, Xkfyu wrote:I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.
I find the most proper response to the above quote is the following quote (composed & performed by one of the greatest, if notgreatest player of all time):the
In post 1644, Xkfyu wrote:Your process of elimination is flawed. That's also a guaratee. It's proven by the fact that you have so many scum reads that you have to be wrong on some of them. And if you're wrong on some of them, you can't be confident in any of them. The process in which you come up with scum reads is necessarily flawed if it's giving you false positives.-
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In post 3116, Almost50 wrote:In post 3108, Xkfyu wrote:I've had a scum read on every remaining player in the game, at this point. Therefore, I know I was right about 2 of them. So, if I go back and revisit those scum reads, and they no longer apply (for whatever reason), then I can eliminate them as a suspect, narrow down my search.
I find the most proper response to the above quote is the following quote (composed & performed by one of the greatest, if notgreatest player of all time):the
In post 1644, Xkfyu wrote:Your process of elimination is flawed. That's also a guaratee. It's proven by the fact that you have so many scum reads that you have to be wrong on some of them. And if you're wrong on some of them, you can't be confident in any of them. The process in which you come up with scum reads is necessarily flawed if it's giving you false positives.
Which is exactly why I'm attempting to use alternative methods. I'm glad you agree with me, though.-
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In post 3112, Xkfyu wrote:and I'm still more convinced that Almost is scum than anyone. In fact, that is the ONE assumption I'm taking with me on my "meditation." And, unless I can find something that contradicts that assumption, I'm keeping it until he's lynched.
WOW. That's some irrefutable logic.
- "X=5 is the one assumption I'm going to build on. It thus follows X+4 =9, X-3=2 & X*2=10".
+ "But, my friend .. X=/=5. In fact; X=7"
- "Not true. If so, how come X+4 =9, X-3=2 & X*2=10. I've already shown you how I reached these results, and thus X MUST be equal to 5."
Well, her's MY proposition: IF you eventually flip town; then I hereby promise you that if ever I'm scum in a game with you, I'll never push for your lynch or support a night kill on you. You're the most precious tool any scum team could ever be blessed with their mere existence on the opposing side.-
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In post 3101, Nero Cain wrote:I sorta feel like...if Masquerade misattributed something that Keysor said that logically he'd scum read Cobbler for it. I mean I know that town can get all OMGUSY and stuff and maybe he thinks I'm scum trying to throw shad his way? But if he thought the why would he just not say that? May he his scum and he's pissed off at me that you know I'm bringing up and interesting question that involves his slot...which is why is Masqurade not scumreading Cobbler. I'm really fairly suspicious of Masquerade for immediately fucking bending as soon as he got some flak voting SRMP.
This reads so different from other posts you make and I feel like you're trying to convince others to scumread me and trying really really hard to not be the first on my wagon because you know I'm flipping town.
Why don't you address your questions to me? Why do you ask this of other people and why are you talking about me as if I am not around?-
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In post 3118, Almost50 wrote:WOW. That's some irrefutable logic.
- "X=5 is the one assumption I'm going to build on. It thus follows X+4 =9, X-3=2 & X*2=10".
+ "But, my friend .. X=/=5. In fact; X=7"
- "Not true. If so, how come X+4 =9, X-3=2 & X*2=10. I've already shown you how I reached these results, and thus X MUST be equal to 5."
Thank you. I'm glad I'm correct.In post 3118, Almost50 wrote:WOW. That's some irrefutable logic.
- "X=5 is the one assumption I'm going to build on. It thus follows X+4 =9, X-3=2 & X*2=10".
+ "But, my friend .. X=/=5. In fact; X=7"
- "Not true. If so, how come X+4 =9, X-3=2 & X*2=10. I've already shown you how I reached these results, and thus X MUST be equal to 5."
Thank you. I'm glad to see that I'm correct with my assumption.
In post 3118, Almost50 wrote:Well, her's MY proposition: IF you eventually flip town; then I hereby promise you that if ever I'm scum in a game with you, I'll never push for your lynch or support a night kill on you. You're the most precious tool any scum team could ever be blessed with their mere existence on the opposing side.
Here's the thing. You had better flip scum, because if this is your town game, you will be a D1 Policy Lynch for me in every game going forward. Your WIFOM-riddled posts and invalid logic are nothing but huge distractions for town.-
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In post 3123, Masquerade wrote:Or Xk I honestly don't care who goes first.
Let's just lynch me then. There is a lot of empty suspicion floating around on me (ie. lots of people expressing suspicion about me, but not really saying why, and not voting for me). Let's get some votes on me and see how it plays out.
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