Open 634: Sharing is Caring (Game Over)

[wgeurts]

Alex quitting the wagon honestly looks pretty good, he may be town after all actually.

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Persivul

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Kuroi

Never explained.

VOTE: texcat

Never explained.

I thought that was implied, but FTR, intent to hammer.

Personally I think the guy is town trying to play too tricksy, but at this point he's going to be a distraction for as long as he's here, and his flip will help analysis. Absent a claim he needs to go.

This seems like an opportunistic grab at town-credit as well as a chance to hammer.

No JK should def be protecting the confirmed town lol

We can't keep him alive long enough to make a difference, unless you're proposing we don't use any of our actions for cop investigations. We just protect one wild conftown every night and gain no new information from our PRs.

VOTE: wgeurts

Votes me for theory just as BW becomes town and I'd be the obvious person recieving scrutiny for driving that wagon single-handedly.

Maxous. Wgeurts is the only one who pushed for my lynch and it was indeed a terrible push. I honestly don't know how I got to L-1. Perhaps its a matter of insecurity that lead those people to be lead astray. I have to come realize that being sure of yourself in this game tends to bother some individuals.
I'm picking up what your putting down. However, I happen to think that Wgeurts is actually scum and tried to push a scum myslynch on what appeared to be a weak player(me). I think your vote would be better on Wgeurts than anything else. Wgeurts flip will give you more traction for your push on Texcat if he flips town, and it wont damage your traction if Wgeurts flips scum.
Do you agree?

D1 scum generally don't lead a lynch wagon right from the start. They wait to see how things develop and help push a wagon that's already started. If you're right that he's the only one who pushed you, that's townie for D1.

VOTE: texcat

Votes texcat without explanation opportunistically.

Bad vibes and I like the wagon so far.

This is utter crumpets justification.

[BlacleWorks]

LoL if Wgeurts really is scum I will never doubt my own reads ever again.

[wgeurts]

I'm afraid your going to have to keep doubting your reads then. Even though you're town you're getting what we call tunnel-vision, you're interpretating the evidence to make me scum instead of interpreting the read based off the evidence. You're not looking at what's most likely, you've decided I'm scum and your fitting stuff around that.

It's a common mistake with newer players, try and think about this.

[wgeurts]

Also I just dumped an entire wall of content and all you can say is "lol wgeurts is scum".

[Maxous]

I thought that was implied, but FTR, intent to hammer.

Personally I think the guy is town trying to play too tricksy, but at this point he's going to be a distraction for as long as he's here, and his flip will help analysis. Absent a claim he needs to go.

This seems like an opportunistic grab at town-credit as well as a chance to hammer.

No JK should def be protecting the confirmed town lol

We can't keep him alive long enough to make a difference, unless you're proposing we don't use any of our actions for cop investigations. We just protect one wild conftown every night and gain no new information from our PRs.

VOTE: wgeurts

Votes me for theory just as BW becomes town and I'd be the obvious person recieving scrutiny for driving that wagon single-handedly.

yeah, these 2 posts don't look great.
*and* I felt that Texcat's #307 felt kinda town.

[Maxous]

And I'm starting to have some second thoughts about her based on some of the weaker votes on her wagon. I want to hear some more justifications for the vote on her, particularly from Masquerade and KT.

funny enough, I thought those 2 votes were the worst ones on her too.
particularly KT's.

[Persivul]

I'll be blunt, I think Persivul is scum. He hasn't done any scum-hunting nor does he interact with people. He's coasting big time, the intent to hammer and his recent jump onto texcat look awful as he explains neither. Once. Nada. "Bad vibes and I like the wagon" is not a good reason to be lynching someone, I don't understand how a logical player like him can accept someone's lynch without providing his two-cents. I know persivul's town and scum game, as town he's a lot more pro-active. As scum he coasts and makes the best of what he gets. Guess which we're seeing this game?

You're seeing the game in which my cat died, my daughter had surgery, and I've been working 12 hour days all since the game started.

[Persivul]

yeah, these 2 posts don't look great.
*and* I felt that Texcat's #307 felt kinda town.

Yet you stayed on the texcat wagon. Your presence there was part of the reason I joined it. It's odd that now you would try to disclaim the validity of the wagon to throw shade at me, when you wer eon it before me and stayed on it despite a "kinda town" post from her.

[drmyshottyizsik]

if he doesn't start pushing people and providing explanations for his actions soon I may consider pushing him.

oooh and ultimatum, however I've been busy with work and my wife being 9 months pregnant, I will do my best to get a wall post up today

[Maxous]

yeah, these 2 posts don't look great.
*and* I felt that Texcat's #307 felt kinda town.

Yet you stayed on the texcat wagon. Your presence there was part of the reason I joined it. It's odd that now you would try to disclaim the validity of the wagon to throw shade at me, when you wer eon it before me and stayed on it despite a "kinda town" post from her.

why is it odd?
i was thinking about it and decided to wait for an answer from you.

[Persivul]

why is it odd?

People aren't usually so blatantly hypocritical.

[texcat]

Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to start. How the f did I get all the way to L-1? Did anyone actually have a reason for voting me?

[texcat]

Here's what I see on my wagon:

Kuroi

voted me cause he didn't my reaction to his L-3 RVS questions.

Maxous

followed along because he thought Kuroi was scum hunting and that his tunnel of the L-3 RVS was good.

Persivul

voted because he liked this wagon so far and vibes.

KT

voted.

Alex

voted because I unvoted my RVS, I asked about our X number of powers, and I didn't like Persivul's intent to hammer on someone he thought was town. This only looks better because at least there were feeble reasons there and Alex unvoted when he realized I might be hammered.

Masquerade

voted. And evidently thinks he can make every single one of my posts look scummy? No mention of L-1 with this vote.

Not sure which of these is worse and don't know how to defend myself against most of them.

I voted Alex for the hat. It was an RVS vote, one I have made in almost every one of my games since the last time I played with Wgeurts and Dino said something about being voted for his hat. I unvoted because it was strictly an RVS vote, and I wanted to make it clear that there was no other reason for my vote, except the hat.

I asked about our powers. (This was partially because I was tired of the L-3 discussion and partly to see what reaction I might get.) I had this exchange with Maxous who didn't seem to mind talking about them at all, but offered no opinion as to how to handle them. And I, more or less, shut the discussion down. Maxous's reaction was not particularly townie, but since he didn't continue to pursue it, it hardly seems scummy.

Should we discuss how our town PRs are going to handle their X shots?

ok.
how do you think we should handle them?

I'm not even sure we should discuss it.

Even for D1, this wagon sucks. I'm just not sure which are bad and which are scummy. Kuroi and Alex, at least, seemed to give sincere reasons for voting me. As for everyone else on my wagon, I can't distinguish the sheep from the scum.

[texcat]

if he doesn't start pushing people and providing explanations for his actions soon I may consider pushing him.

oooh and ultimatum, however I've been busy with work and my wife being 9 months pregnant, I will do my best to get a wall post up today

I'm looking forward to it.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Masquerade

[Clumsy]

Again, no explanation? Throughout your ISO, this is the first time you've mentioned Masq. Is it just for pressure or what?

[KuroiXHF]

Again, no explanation? Throughout your ISO, this is the first time you've mentioned Masq. Is it just for pressure or what?

I'm beginning to scum read Persivul. Dude, I fucking get it if you have emergencies with your pets or families or whatever but if you're not going to be able to play this game, you should replace out. I hope you're not just using that stuff as a crutch.

[Persivul]

Masquerade voted. And evidently thinks he can make every single one of my posts look scummy? No mention of L-1 with this vote.

Must I repeat a straight-forward argument that was made just a couple posts before my own?

Do you really think I would play like this as scum?

[KuroiXHF]

Do you really think I would play like this as scum?

Almost textbook definition of creating a WIFOM.

I'm not sure what's stopping me in voting you, Persivul. I'm weighing my options right now. For right now, UNVOTE:

[Persivul]

Dude, I fucking get it if you have emergencies with your pets or families or whatever but if you're not going to be able to play this game, you should replace out.

Only three people have more posts than me. A couple people with fewer posts probably have more real content, but still, I'm at least in the middle of the pack as far as contribution goes. Check Masquerade's ISO and vote him if you want to charge someone with not playing the game.

p-edit: take your head out of your ass and put your vote somewhere useful.

[Masquerade]

UNVOTE:
I was lazy and just went to look into your iso and had a gutfeeling you were scum so I jumped the wagon. I normally check the votecount, no idea why I didn't this time.

@wgeurts:

Your RVS-posts felt towny to me, especially 16.
However:

However is the keyword here.

I'm still lazy but I'll try to get to iso-reads later tonight.

@Kuroi: How is not replacing out alignment indicative? (re: 343)

[wgeurts]

Dude, I fucking get it if you have emergencies with your pets or families or whatever but if you're not going to be able to play this game, you should replace out.

Only three people have more posts than me. A couple people with fewer posts probably have more real content, but still, I'm at least in the middle of the pack as far as contribution goes. Check Masquerade's ISO and vote him if you want to charge someone with not playing the game.

p-edit: take your head out of your ass and put your vote somewhere useful.

This is bad, now this is the "why me fry my tell" I thought I saw with Clumsy earlier. Also the whole "I wouldn't do this as scum is" not correct as he does this as scum. I'll get some games as evidence.

[Persivul]

Oh please gurts, if I were scum I'd have you doing my bidding.