Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

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Well that first and second page made a hell of a lot of sense, yes it did.

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I wouldn't be implying anything if I said what I was implying, now would I?

Eh, I think I actually am weird in how emotionally detached I play. No normal person would have actually townread dunn in my position and tried to objectively look at the people NOT voting or being nice.

I am somewhat serious in that I genuinely don't care if I were to get mislynched in a day 1 speedwagon because I wouldn't consider it my fault at all, and it'd probably do me a favour rather than playing with than a playerlist that would do that.

LAMIST is either BS or pretty poor analysis because as far as I know you can call anything that looks town LAMIST and say it's scummy for that.

*I play differently than most people that's why you think I'm maf
*I don't care if I'm lynched day 1 (because I'm town and don't care about these things) And you guys would be dumb to do it.

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VOTE: Raskolinov

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VOTE: Raskolnikov

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I just read Raskolnikov's interests bit on his profile. I'm not quite sure what to think now. Again. Every single game is like this, why does every single game have to be like this.

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VOTE: Raskolnikov

I've already finished with Raskol, I think they're town, get off them please and get onto someone else like blueyoshi/zachstral

Do you really think I'm going to back off because somebody told me too? I'm keeping my vote, thank you very much.

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that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

I'm not sure, I'm not very good at gauging such things, but I believe Jar was joking. If you're scum, keep overreacting to jokes.

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Whether you're scum or town your posts are objectively anti-town for constantly being half-serious and often about irrelevant shit.

I think at this point continuing and antagonising people after multiple people have pointed it out, rather than trying to cooperate is scummy because clear communication should be your goal as town and hiding in vagueness reduces your accountability.

Now my view of you as scum is irrelevant. Huh. What if you just look town so I think you're town? Is that so hard?

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Crap that wasn't about me

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Overreacting to jokes..... Hmm... have you read one Dunnstral post this game?

No.

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Ooooh parallel structure responses.


So intense.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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Honestly, with Dunnstral's massive amount of posts and attitude towards the game, I don't see him as mafia. Especially with those spoilers he worked on that I totally read.

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UNVOTE: Dunnstral

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Blueyoshi didn't quite seem scummy to me, but the more he posted, the weirder it got. Hang on.

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Inspectorscout doesn't seem to have an opinion. Good scumhunting and all that jazz, but his lack of opinion itches me.

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Crazy things happen when you don't pay attention.

I don't treat Dunn's "town leadership" position as I've come to recognize it as a towny indicator and I can't tell if all these leads they're chasing {Raskol, Zach, Trivium} are actual intents to scumhunt, as the Dunn/Zach interaction that caused this thread to be more cluttered and annoying to sort through didn't lead anywhere for either person.
The Trivium wagon seems good, kinda bothered by how fast Dunn switched but seeing how easily it is to pinpoint the scumminess in Triv's posts it's understandable.

Troll play is hard to read sometimes but Zach's looks rather town, seeing as he didn't jump too hard on his own defense when Dunn started pressuring him.

I see Raskol's early posts as mostly town so I don't know where people got their scumreads from, but I tend to miss obvious things unless they're explained to me in detail so someone can get on that for me thanks <3
(not that it'll matter since their more recent posts seem even more towny)

Transcend is actually looking poor to me, their heaviest posts are unrelated to the content of the game (#200-201) and trying to be generally uncooperative, and nothing that they've done so far has given town vibes at all.

Like this. I don't like this. 'town vibes' are weird. I get the transcend scumread, but I don't agree. Neither do I agree with the raskol thing. Dunn's town leadership? What are you smoking?

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Something about blueyoshi's posts looks like he's thinking more on the track of 'what people want me to say' more than 'what do I think'.

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Yes. After you give me a valid response rather than asking if I want a medal and diverting attention when you could be spending your time saying something meaningful.

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VOTE: Blue Yoshi

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I totally agree jarjar. I asked him to give opinions, inspectorscout ignored me. So I'm going to keep my vote on yoshi for his weird response, but inspectorscout is up there for scum.

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Transcend, I myself am still pretty new to this game and that reads list looked off to me as well. Scum can 'scumhunt' really well, but you can really tell based on what their 'opinions' are.

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Why do you think we're going to lynch you D2 because of activity? Why do you seem to have a problem with the fact that you've drawn attention to yourself? It's not hard to focus on that one line, it's weird that you're saying he's focusing on it instead of paying attention to what you're saying.

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I dunno. I kind of town read inspectorscout purely from his questioning and stuff, but I don't quite trust him. Dunn's probably town, my vote on him was really a joke.

and lastly, meanwhile, zach focuses AGAIN just on those things he likes to focus on, but probably didnt even read what else was in my post.

What do you be motherfuckin' knowin' Zach?

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I'm about 80% sure blueyoshi is scum, so I'm keeping my vote. Rasko is probably scum too, the shift of attention towards and away from him felt really forced, can't pinpoint how though. drmy's weird.

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I made a joke on parallel structure. Not like that was going to be a wagon anyway, I didn't even make a case.

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What is going on bacde?

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Yeeaaah Blueyoshi is 100% scum, burn me at the stake if he isn't.

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VOTE: BlueYoshi

I would however like some commentary along with this vote. Are you just agreeing, or what exactly is going on here?

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NAH

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I can see the votes on jarjar. Looking through what he's said, everything seems a little too logical. Like, mafia could reproduce any of that. I suggest looking at his meta though. He seems to be acting the same way he did when he was town in another game I played. drmyshotty is weird.

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I think that's why I'm not scumreading jarjar- I don't really expect an emotional reaction from him.

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Bacde isn't making a whole lot of sense. Man, answer jarjar's questions at the very least. Gut feeling isn't enough, and if you're going to claim it is you can lynch yourself right off.

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Nah tommy, Bacde's 478 was weeeird. Putting a vote on rask is apparently acting like he wants to hide with a boring and weak vote... that doesn't make any sense. Why not just... not vote if you want to hide? Seems to graspy for straws.

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ok his townread of tommy was a surprise but it definitely doesn't make me think that his reads are in any way shape or form real or based on actual thought, analysis, and conclusion

Your own reads are gut apparently, so that's quite hypocritical.

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Zach and dunn might be the same person

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Rask told me to do what?

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Oh I found it. He told me to vote yoshi after what I did and it looked weird or something. Eh.

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That's a pretty solid case against bacde

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That makes me really want to vote him, but I'm not going to back off alpaca until alpaca actually does stuff.

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VOTE: dunn
you deserve some pressure

VOTE: dunn
you deserve some pressure

Let's, reason please?

The reason is I think town will benefit from some pressure there.

See alpaca I disagree, I think day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands. After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.

This post is longer than every other post you've made in this thread combined.

Rask and jar are distancing imo.

Nnn is meh.

Difference in computer posts and posts during meetings

You've been in a lot of meetings then :p

Would you vote jar with me?

I'm not huge on sheeping I don't know to be great players, no offence, but for the sake of pressure I sure will.
VOTE: fos jar

And yes, I am a very busy man. Lots of meetings

That's not for pressure, you're blatantly joining a wagon to keep yourself from being lynched

Your vote on me was for "pressure" but then you never followed up on that

Look you just can't seem to wrap your head around my play style. I vote people to apply pressure and see how they react not always because I think they are scummy, in fact it's often because I don't have a read on someone

"You can't seem to wrap your head around my playstyle" I hate this. Nobody gives a shit about your playstyle, everyone plays by their own rules and if you do something scummy, people are going to say it's scummy if they think so, hiding behind 'playstyle' isn't going to change that.

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That's not really directed completely towards shotty but towards pretty much everyone in this game w ho has done this.

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In my opinion it's scummy to vote people when you don't think they're scummy, so you look scummy to me. Does that mean I can't wrap my head around your playstyle? No, it means I think you're scummy, period.

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He seems to be a lot more sarcastic and detracting from town when he plays mafia. That's why I don't really think I'm going to vote him.

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Mountains are you paying attention? I just said I don't care what his playstyle is if he does something I think is scummy. I only care about people's playstyle when it doesn't conflict with my own ideas about what is scummy and what isn't.

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UNVOTE: Alpaca
No way we're getting a lynch on this guy today. Though I'm still suspicious.

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I agree, mountain is obviously coasting. If he's going to wait until day 2 before getting serious, we have no reason to let him survive day 1.

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Well shotty's given up, and in my relatively low experience that means he's mafia. Yeah inspector, I suck at this so you should lynch me. That's how this game works, after all.

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Tommy, I don't think that's the real problem with shotty. I agree the Dunn pressure vote was pointless (and pretty much all pressure votes in my opinion, if you don't think they're mafia) but refusal to give reads doesn't really strike me all that much as mafia, though I think a little casual opinion here in there makes me more comfortable with someone as a town read. I don't really see where he encourages others to hide their own opinions, but I didn't really read some bits of this game that I felt didn't matter. Can you point me to where he encourages others to hide reads? The big problem with shotty I have is hiding behind playstyle and lack of questioning or scumhunting.

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Intent to hammer if jarjar doesn't for some reason, or if someone backs off.

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Ayy third pagetop this game.

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Very inexperienced? Geez, I don't even have to play the beginner card.

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What do you think about my posts that matter, scout? Yeah, of course jarjar. I'm so patient. Dunn knows just how patient I am.

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I don't care what you think about me and my playstyle or whatever, I want to know your opinion on the subject at hand.

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Dude you're dodging like hell

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Holy crap you've been avoiding shotty all game

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And you're voting with him on jarjar at about the same time

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I swear if shotty is mafia inspector is mafia too.

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What is your opinion on shotty? Tell me.

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Because I swear if shotty is mafia I am going to vote you first thing tomorrow, if he flips maf you better fucking kill me because I will do everthing in my power to get you lynched. This lines up SO WELL.

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Shotty had like one conversation with inspector scout, and it looks like scum trying to distance themselves. Shotty basically tries to verify something scout said while implying he thinks he's scum by the tone he uses, but it's not serious. NObody seriously scumtells by an exclamation mark or anything like that!

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DUDE

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OH MY GOD WAIT FOR A CLAIM

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kushnooo

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Quick what do you guys think about the scout/shotty thing?

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I thought so too but he was so obviously dodging my question, and their contact in the game is so suspicious! I feel like I have this game figured out, that doesn't happen often.

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Tommy and Lowell are both on pretty scummy places on the mislynch wagon, I town-read Lowell and besides he's VLA so Tommy is something I can get behind.

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VOTE: Tommy

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UNVOTE: Tommy

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Actually no neither of them are good. Looking over tommy I see no reason to vote him at all. I null read him, but a quick glance over his ISO says a lot. I think he's town and Transcend is weird coming out of the gate tryna lynch my townreads.

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VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.

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Tommy Lowell and jarjar are all town to me as well, so transcend's scumreads bother me. nnn seems scum to me, doesn't help anything at all and suddenly quickhammers. I'm being a hypocrite by saying that quickhammer was an idiot move, but that doesn't change the fact that it was.

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Well first of all he townreads me and I'm an easy mislynch, there's no reason for him to schmooze to me, so I like that. He's kind of null-town, really. He's been VLA a lot, so there isn't much to work with, but I generally agree with the reads he's given and 620 just looks like town giving comments on what he's seeing.

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I also feel like a lot of your scumread on tommy was too based off of what you said 698. I don't feel like your town read on nnn should be strong enough to warrant thinking some else is scum purely because they put a lot of pressure on them initially.

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The way you're reacting to other people voting with you right now also resonates as scum to me. You're too willing to say other people are town to do it, and your questioning of Tommy twists his words around. He asked if Kush gets a pass on quickhhammering because he was ignorant, he didn't tell you he thinks it was indicative of him being mafia, and he certainly didn't try to propagandize what he was saying like the way you make him sound.

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Kush quickhammered a townie, is that a problem to you?

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If you were town you would have explained your scumread on him before somebody voted you for it.

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But that's kind of nitpicky

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Hey transcend- stop trying to pull the obvious town card. I mean wow, I'm seeing scum just blatantly say they are incredibly townie, with no support. Why don't you actually back it up? The only person in this game that I would be completely against lynching at really any point is Dunn, and I'm sure we can all agree as to why. Why wouldn't you lynch inspector? What has inspector done that is so townie to you that you wouldn't lynch him? I swear, next time I play as mafia, I'm going to quickhammer town and claim ignorance ASAP because apparently that's not alignment indicative.

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Basically Transcend looks like scum trying to BS his way into being 'obvious town'.

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Transcend is the epitome of LAMIST. "I want somebody to be power town with me" "And I know I'm good" "I have way too many fucking scumreads" "I'm pretty obvious town this game" It's either being scummy as hell or just being a twat. I don't personally think you're a twat.

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I think transcend is mafia and inspector is trying to lynch me because it's easy to seem like he's town who thinks I'm dumb or whatever. And for everybody's information, I actually didn't notice who died. What are you going to do about it, lynch me? I think for trying to lynch me for something like that, inspector scout goes way down into my scumreads.

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Whatever, I'm saying it's sketchy that he would try to target me down like that for something like that.

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Waiting for inspector scout, kush, or transcend to say something bc the only people posting are my townreads. I guess after analysis of the last day I would say my townreads are a bit more confirmed. Not much else to say... Alpacalpaca, say something I'm bored.

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What are your thoughts Alpaca

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Well shotty's given up, and in my relatively low experience that means he's mafia. Yeah inspector, I suck at this so you should lynch me. That's how this game works, after all.

What are you going to do about it, lynch me?

Can you stop trying to challenge me?

Sure if you have a problem with it

inspector is trying to lynch me because it's easy to seem like he's town who thinks I'm dumb or whatever.

yes, maybe i do think that.

Gee thanks. Again, I have to ask somebody playing this game to get a sense of scope

Ok, I might bave been pushing too hard for that, but it's not the only thing I want to push a lynch for; I mentioned so much stuff that I think that is scum about you.

You did. Congratulations.

I guess after analysis of the last day I would say my townreads are a bit more confirmed.

Can you please share your analysis of the last day?

I meant last real life day, but sure, in my next post.

tbf i think the last thing scum would do was pretend not to know who was fucking killed LMFAOOOO thats some bold shit

WIFOM on WIFOM on WIFOM.

It's not that much of a paradox, I'm not a fucking mastermind, though I do appreciate the paranoia coming from you. Do you really believe that I as mafia would do that? If so, whatever.

I'd like to put forth the question why is not knowing who died considered a slip?

Did I say it was a slip? Because it's not, it's rather LAMIST ''i dunno who got killed so i aint do it m8''

Again, I'm just going to have to say I'm not a mastermind. If you don't believe me, K.

Can anyone explain transcend scumread? i do disagree with some of his reads, but I don't think they are that bad
uhh if Trivium is so obvtown for you guys, who should I be looking at? (this doesnt mean that I no longer scumread him, but looking at my posts, I do agree that I have been tunneling a bit too much)

Don't ever let people convince you you can't get someone lynched, that's mafia logic

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Yesterday (earth time) I saw a bunch of my townreads arguing back and forth and being really paranoid about each other, I feel like there was a lot of pressure and suspicion of tommy, who hasn't gotten much of that really this game, from rask and zach, furthering my townreads of them.

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VOTE: inspectorscout

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Jarjar reads null town to me, especially since pretty much all of my scumreads seem susp of him. I already could of gone for a inspector lynch today, now there's a wagon forming so here I go.

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Seriously transcend? You're tempted to sub out just because we lynched somebody you didn't want us to? Sorry to break it to you, but that's going to happen in quite a few of your games, my friend. Anyway, zach is right, kush said he forgot. I don't think I'm going to let him off for that, and I will be watching very closely, but yeah his lack of posting kind of forces us not to be able to lynch him.

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I feel like both inspector and transcend are scum, that's why transcend is WKing both himself and inspector gadget. Transcend also wants to lynch either one of my strongest townreads or Lowell, who we don't have enough information on in the first place, so I'm sure transcend is scum. For real this time. Also, the fact that transcend is whiteknighting inspector makes me even more ssp of inspector as well, but I'm not as sure about that as I am that transcend is 100% mafia.

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Also transcend's talk about not wanting to vote jarjar because of 'resistance' and then doing it anyway seems weird to me.

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Eh... I don't like policy lynches when the game isn't stagnating because of it. But I would like Lowell to actually do things.

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welp both of my strongest scumreads are on the same wagon, on one of my townreads. right after inspector was wk'd by transcend. Please.

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lowell I waited this long and you betray me
I have an idea. When jarjar flips town, we lynch inspector, then subsequently transcend.

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or transcend then inspector

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whoa you're saying he didn't forget it was a hammer, he just forgot to ask for claims?

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Hey transcend, sometimes you just gotta bus your partner if they make too obvious of a mistake.

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I understand forgetting that it was L1, but forgetting to ask for claims, let alone INTENT TO HAMMER when you know it's a hammer is ridiculous no matter how you look at it.

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I don't care how new he is, that rings new scum more than it does new town.

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I was talking about kush's hammer D1

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Now that lowell is actually posting, I can't say I like his posts.

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912 is a copout

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Finally people are getting transcend scum

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or at least zach is

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havent heard from ya boi alpaca or trivium in a minute so lets get INTO THAT

well I was just in time wasn't I

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So yeah nothing much has changed for me, except Lowell is weird. Zach is obv town as always, I don't see the jarjar lynch, and I'm nullreading tommy. As far as I'm concerned everyone else is scum until proven inno.

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Dunno read my iso I an't be bothered

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I think transcend is mafia and inspector is trying to lynch me because it's easy to seem like he's town who thinks I'm dumb or whatever. And for everybody's information, I actually didn't notice who died. What are you going to do about it, lynch me? I think for trying to lynch me for something like that, inspector scout goes way down into my scumreads.

Whatever, I'm saying it's sketchy that he would try to target me down like that for something like that.

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That along with the fact that I 100% scum transcend and a transcend inspector team makes sense to me

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Whoa whoa lowell what the actual hell. Congratulations, you've convinced me that your entire scumread on jarjar is worthless and a product of scum saying it over and over again.

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Holy crap you VOTED for him.

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That's a great question which I can't really answer. Somehow I've got it in my mind that you are, though. Am I being played or what?

I HATE THIS POST SO MUCH

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Your account was made in 2006 you can't even even claim newb town.

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Ok looking over that post, "Am I being played or what" is lamist. And while I wasn't really quite sure about lowell earlier, this just tips it over the edge.

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VOTE: Lowell

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OK SO CLAIMS



CLAIMS CLAIMS CLAIMS

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KUSH DON'T

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Alright Lowell claim or I'm going to have to ask kush to quickhammer you. He'll 'forget' for a few seconds.
EDIT: Damnit Zach it's easier to get a claim at lynch1 plus if kush hammers we have scum, I don't think anyone else would

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I swear to god if this was one massive joke

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But really I want a claim Lowell

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What

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was that, like a "I also want a claim" or a "you just said something that makes no sense"?

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Cool

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yeah i am still here dont worry, i am busy lately, thats why i havent posted in a while. Please, i totally disagree with the lowell wagon. its all a bit wifomy and gut, but do you really think he would play like this if he is scum and joined since 2006? hes playing TOO obvious. And yes, i think that wagon has 2 scum on it, the third being trivium. I am pretty sure lowell wagon was controlled and pushed by scum. I am pretty sure he is town, but if you guys really dont believe that, sure, go ahead and lynch him. if he is town, tomorrow we will have a 7/3 setup, given that nothing new happens. So lets make a deal: if he flips town, we lynch jarjar/trivium.

Seems like you're trying too hhard to lynch certain people. What about, if he flips town, we analyze the votes, or what is going on, before saying 'yup, lynch these guys' Plus, if you don't have a real case as to why lowell is town other than gut, I'm not going to pay attention to you.

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I don't like how lowell says lynch alpaca and transcend is so ready to.
EDIT: HELL YEAH

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VOTE: INSPECTOR

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We never got a claim tho... but I am so ready to lynch inspector

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Didn't i tell you to sub out? I'm sure if the player that replaces you wins the game you can have some of the frosting off the victory cake.

Hey Transcend, if we lynch scout and he flips scum does that mean triv is a better player than u?

No, it means transcend is scum.

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Transcend what is it with you and subbing out? Nobody wants to sub out of a game because they're losing, that's called being a sore loser. So don't sub out because we lynch inspector, and don't tell other people to sub out because... what was it... I'm bad at the game?

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And I swear to god if you respond with something like- "Well first of all i was gonna sub out because all of u are idiots" Then suck it the hell up.

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I know inspector can defend himself, but i tend to get super defensive towards my trs because i like preserving town numbers and dwindling scum numbers.

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BTW if we're announcing preliminary townreads, I'll announce my first townread on inspector.

Fair enough
It does for now, you cant have enough info yet to put down clear reasons, but i will ask you this question again later on, i hate being read as something by just 'i like ur posts'

Your tone is towny. Plus I don't think you're forcing tells, all the tells you've given appear genuine. If you really want me to go into specifics, I can. But overall I don't see anything scummy about you (after your vote on Zach ofc).

Cheerio! Nice to see content from Tommy and Bacde. Tommy, thanks for clarifying the sock-puppet thing. Tommy's reads look pretty good. As for Bacde, I like his tone thus far and his reads seem to parallel quite a bit with mine. And I'm ecstatic he made a vote on JarJar. I've wanted him lynched all game but there's been so much disagreeance from everyone else and no momentum whatsoever. I have been incredibly displeased with him all game. As of recently, I have very much disliked his push on inspectorscout. It's not a matter of me disagreeing with him, it's a matter of me thinking his push is scummy. My vote on drmyshotty as mentioned before was basically a pressure vote. Got nothing from it, whatever. Didn't really scumread him. Gonna put my vote on a slot I actually do scumread.

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

And now my read list, Ranger style.

{inspector}
{Trivium, Dunn}
{Zach, Tommy, Bacde}
{Blue Yoshi, Lowell, nnn, shotty}
{Raskolnikov}
{JarJar}

And now my reads, Transcend style!!!

1. Transcend
2. inspectorscout

3. Dunnstral
4. Trivium

5. Zachstralkita
6. Bacde
7. Tommy

8. Blue Yoshi
9. drmyshottyizsik (sp?)

10. Raskolnikov

11. JarJarDrinks

Lowell and nnn not included since I have no read on them whatsoever.

I think if people would just sheep me this game would be a lot easier.

In my two Newbie games, I pegged mafia d1 and not one damn person listened to me.

Inspector: Do something useful and put your vote on JarJar sheesh.

I won't lynch inspector, but I'd love to hear your reasons that you feel are different from mine to voting Tommy.

1. Transcend (savior of this game)
2. inspectorscout (defintion of newbtown. i plan to make an iso on why this guy is town because people seem to be doubting me on this one.)
3. Trivium (in a perfect world this slot gets vig killed because i can't be fucked having this idiot in the game, but his tone and actions probably suggest he's town. he's definitely not scum pushing a lynch on me, he's just bad.)

4. Zachstralkita (don't agree with most of the reads he has. I like his tone this game though, and his vote on Tommy is pretty good.)
5. Bacde (Me and him are on the same page this game which is good. As for Bacde himself, I don't think he's scum candy-coating my reads because his tone suggests he's town. His reactions look fairly genuine throughout the course of this game. Plus he's fairly consistent with his reads.

6. Raskolnikov (Moving this slot to null since I feel I misinterpreted some of their posts regarding their stance on Shotty. Their tone overall this game has been towny, and gains towny points for voting Tommy.)
7. nnn_thekushmountains (As you all know, I make nothing of his quickhammer. I have him null right now because I like his tone quite a bit, but I have asked for him to explain his defense on JarJar being town, and he hasn't yet.)

8. AlpacaAlpaca (His posts piss me off quite a bit. They do look a bit manufactured, and his tone feels off.
9. Lowell (null-scum because he really hasn't given us much to work with, but I really do not feel good about his vote on shotty and then townreading me because of the callout of alpaca's posts.)

10. Tommy (I think that he's had a very bad day so far, and his insta-push on nnn screamed scum to me. Also, his reaction to Zach's vote doesn't look genuine either.)
11. JarJarDrinks (He communicates with me in a way that he KNOWS I'm town. I still don't like the associations he's made with people. And has been fairly neutral for the whole game which I don't like except for a really awful vote on inspector over a reads list.)

[Trivium]

EVERY TIME TRANSCEND MENTIONS INSPECTOR THIS WHOLE GAME. I CAN GO ON AND ON

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In fact, it's so obvious that I'm not sure scum would do it. But that's WIFOM

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Transcend seems like new scum trying to bluff obvious town on him and his buddies, and if anybody but me sees this they should vote inspector scout because he would be an obvious accomplice.

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I'm trying to say that transcend is saying inspector is town over and over again because inspector is his scum buddy.

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And saying I'm dumb either because he really thinks so, or it would be easier to NK me and reveal that I'm town when everyone thinks my reads are dirt.

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Getting that list of posts wasn't even very hard to do. I just found every instance of inspector in his ISO, because every single one except the first was a WK.

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And the first one said that inspector's vote on zach was scummy. What happened afterwards.... OH INSPECTOR UNVOTES ZACH WHAT DO YOU KNOW. And then, after his only mention of inspector was that he said something incredibly scummy....

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Fair enough
It does for now, you cant have enough info yet to put down clear reasons, but i will ask you this question again later on, i hate being read as something by just 'i like ur posts'

Your tone is towny. Plus I don't think you're forcing tells, all the tells you've given appear genuine. If you really want me to go into specifics, I can. But overall I don't see anything scummy about you (after your vote on Zach ofc).

So reason I voted Dunn was relatively weak. 13 rubbed me the wrong way, did not like the tone of Dunn's voice very much. Also felt initially his push on Raskol was a bit forced. I'm sorta ambivalent now.

To explain the vote on JarJar, I'll quote two posts of his that made me FOS him.

Triv could be scum. I think Zach/Dunn is town/town.

Still think Rask is bad. If he is town then that Yoshi post does look pretty terrible.

This looks like setting up to me. Puts Yoshi on the back burner.

I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME

Are u scumreading him for something he does all the time?

This defense on Dunn looks really forced.

With that said I also think that inspector's vote on Zach was scummy as fuck.

BTW if we're announcing preliminary townreads, I'll announce my first townread on inspector.

[Trivium]

Not in order but whatever

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Agreement that the vote was scummy but no action about it, and a weak tone towntell that apparently supersedes what transcend 'thought was a scummy vote'

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I know I'm really digging, but it's been like this all game and I want to know so badly whether one of these are scum, because if so we have 2 scum.

[Trivium]

Dear inspector- today I learned that I wasn't one of the first people to think you were scum. In fact, my scumread on you was totally dumb and I'm sorry. And by the way, that vote on yourself made me totally rethink everything because maf never 'gives up' and votes self, then unvotes when things start getting serious. Nooooooooooo

[Trivium]

Exactly jarjar

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I'm really seeing inspector lowell transcend. Not as sure about lowell as I am about transcend and inspector though, but if they do flip scum then lowell is a good candidate.

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Well I know I'm town, so I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to do as scum. You're saying that you are convinced that I am scum, and if you were scum the reason for that would be to discredit your voters. The reason for doing that as town while you are under pressure would be.... because you genuinely believe that I'm scum. I'm sure that if I was lynched you would be among the people to say "Well he deserved it he was obviously scum, it's his fault" but you can't be town. I'm not trying to 'back out if you're town'. I am thoroughly convinced that you and transcend are scum and the way that I play reflects that. This might be the first game I've ever played where I wouldn't agree with you that I act scummy and it's my fault. I'm town, I'm acting town, and you're scum. It's black and white to me.

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'facts are not strong enough' if you think tommy is scum you should fucking start a wagon, don't think you can't lynch someone because other people don't think they are scum

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PUT YOUR VOTE WHERE YOU THINK SCUM IS OR YOU'RE SCUM

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hint: I think they'd go for one of me/triv/jjd in that case

Hint: now they will, back then i couldnt have known what happened in the posts after, but given this sheeping inactive town: just do normal shit and you can convince them for sure.

Ooooh my favorite type of drama

[Trivium]

inspector either really believes that me, jjd, and ZACH of all people are scum, or inspector is scum.

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It's not hard to see which is correct

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Now that inspector is on the verge of death, I've finally realized what I wanted all along: Transcend dead.

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Well there's not much I can do about that, I've made my case.

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Really I'm just waiting for kush's replacement and for other people to vote inspector

[Trivium]

that's my job

Ok next person who comes on has to vote tommy or I'm declaring them confirmed as his buddy

Ok.

[Trivium]

that's my job

Ok next person who comes on has to vote tommy or I'm declaring them confirmed as his buddy

Ok.

hey I WAS THE NEXT PERSON so he has to confirm ME





wait a minute...........

Tommy/Zach confirmed I'm the best town evarr

[Trivium]

Get a fucking room.

Hello sideways 8

Amen, I actually have a problem with how quick he buddied with transcend of all people.

[Trivium]

Though... thinking about it I might be focusing too much on the fact that transcend is mafia. I mean, what if I'm wrong? I might be... but probably not. But if I'm wrong everything I know will unravel at the seams.

[Trivium]

And I don't like how Tommy seemed to be gone for most of these conversations, just slipping by at the most opportune points. I scumread Tommy, but I also reaally scumread transcend, so yet again I'm not even sure anymore. I need some detailed info on what infinity thinks of inspector.

[Trivium]

Ewwww Inspector voted tommy and now I don't wanna

[Trivium]

@zach i think you are wrong about me, too. You pushed a wagon, based on a nonsense reason, and

suddenly

2 of my worst scumreads are on it. Isnt that a tad too convenient? And if none of you three are scum, who is? This game is almost trans/bacde/me/alpaca vs you/jarjar/triv + lowell/kush/rask/tommy at the sidelines. If there is 1 scum in each 'team' id say triv, alpaca and rask/kush but i am pretty sure they are not the scum team. The only ones i want to lynch right now are jarjar and triv...but i guess im not in a position to do that anymore

inspector has way too many options as to who is or could be scum in my opinion

Why is 3 people too much? If it isnt those ppl, ill just go closer into null which is pretty much what i did here

And if none of you three are scum, who is?

This shouldn't actually be your concern, you were certain at least ONE of us was

lol this post like of everybody in this game ZACH is the one you haven't been sure about BS
Thats why this question was purely hypothetical.

@jarjar do you know that i wont flip scum and you will not be power town AT ALL? Like, i might even have a power role, but you seemingly just want me dead. Could you make a quick summary of a solid case on me?


Honestly zach has been making some good comments and i could actually believe he might be town. Could. Dammit you have been confusing me all game. Uhh, i still want jarjar and triv dead but i can live with a tommy lynch for now, since hes been rising into my scumreads. Hes still didnt give clear reads. He was sure of kush being scum, and now he seems sure of me being scum. He townreads triv and...? And yes, not only his votes but also his play is opportunistic. His scumspects were an afk player and a player at L-3 who is flailing like crap. Nice.

VOTE: tommy

Pedit hi tommy

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LOL this post like of all people ZACH is the one confusing you as to what his role is BS

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Also SOOO oppurtunistic "I could live with a tommy lynch" Apparantly now tommy is going up again his scumread on him has been increasing

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Power role PR

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Trivium, I think you're confirmation biased bro

Maybe a little and I'm starting to get paranoid about that as well. As I said if transcend isn't scum I'll have to re-evaluate lots of stuff

[Trivium]

Will get to this: going out to eat with my parents one final time before they move. I don't have work today ^^. Just finished 7 consecutive days.

Niice

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The paranoia from both scout and trivium is very town

See, this is what pisses me off. Looking like town isn't enough, and I don't even know if you're scum or not, so I don't know if that even matters. I have to be able to figure out who scum is and know things. To be honest I have next to no clue who scum is and that makes me anxious.

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Ehhhh don't like that at all jarjar. It might be hard to get going because you're reading it wrong, I might be reading it wrong. I don't like any of this, I honestly scumread Tommy but I don't want to vote him because my scumreads are voting him/want him lynched. I don't want to leave scout either but I'm considering my options, and watching how people react to me considering my options. Also inspectorscout if you scumread me stop trying to convince me of things, because obviously that wouldn't work.

[Trivium]

I gotta re evaluate everything.

UNVOTE:

Don't steal my townpoints

Infinity is probably scum. I don't like the way in particular the wagon on him has formed, but I agree with Tommy that kush's quick hammering was- wait, I scumread tommy. God damnit

[Trivium]

Wait, tommy could have been distancing himself which explains that little side thing that happened AND his focusing on scumreading infinity's slot, allowing him not to join in on conversation about other slots and instead focusing on bussing his partner.

[Trivium]

The paranoia from both scout and trivium is very town

See, this is what pisses me off. Looking like town isn't enough, and I don't even know if you're scum or not, so I don't know if that even matters. I have to be able to figure out who scum is and know things. To be honest I have next to no clue who scum is and that makes me anxious.

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I mainly only look at content. I went over tommy's votes though and I have to say a lot of them were reaaaallly opportunistic for what was going on. I'm starting to be okay with a Tommy lynch. Starting. I need some serious solid proof though because I've been townreading this guy a while.
Pedit: OKAY NEVERMIND LET'S LYNCH TRANSCEND WOOHOO except no my transcend scumread has kinda dissipated at this point.

[Trivium]

I'm just gonna ignore what infinity said about me giving detailed reads on people because I don't like doing work and actually looking into stuff and I think I already gave my opinion on all of them. Thanks for saying I'm smart. That's a big change from what people have been saying. See, I'm actually intelligent*, I'm just not good at this game. Infinity might be scum. IT's a case of him doing some things I think are towny and some I think are scummy. And... after so much time, I'm townreading transcend. So yeah, I'm re-evaluating... everything. Tommy is probably scum

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And also I'm suspicious of jarjar.

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Or maybe I'm being brainwashed because people are saying it over and over.

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VOTE: INFINITY

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I JUST READ A LOT OF THINGS

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I have a theory



Jarjar and infinity

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Throughout the whole game jar has been edging farther and farther away from my townreads. I have to say after reading the game without a bias it seems transcend is town

[Trivium]

Zach, we both know we're town. At least I really hope you are. I want to ask you a question. How is jarjar town after everything that's happened.

[Trivium]

I put waayyy too much trust into zach. I'm putting everything into this bet. I'm not even trying to hide it, zach is so obviously town that I wouldn't be able to look at this game at all without that bias. But looking over the game, Logically one of us must be scum.

[Trivium]

I'm not scum, I know that, and I don't believe that zach is. And WHO THE HELL IS A SUCKER FOR A VT CLAIM

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If infinity flips scum jarjar is scum. That is all.

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One of us refers to you, me, and jarjar. I don't like townreading two people in this type of core, so I'm getting pretty sensitive about jar. Go over his slot pls.

[Trivium]

This looks really scummy

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It did. If I'm hedging everything on you, jarjar must be scum. That's my thought process.

[Trivium]

So you think there may be scum on his wagon?

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I know it's hypocritical but I hate having these SAH townies in mafia because I know transcend would die to have jarjar dead, and if jarjar is town that's RIP. I would do the same thing about inspector

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I always feel like scum will more often claim a power role to delay their lynch triv

I made a post but it was WIFOM so I'm putting this here

[Trivium]

but a VT claim is the one they don't expect and it's effective if you're scum because most of the time, town claim vt

OKAY so today me triv and jarjar have been the domineering lynch force now im thinking scum would do something smart and have one person mixed in with all the wagons, while the scum stay off it.

That's what I think, so jarjar would be the cum in our little shindig

[Trivium]

*SCUM

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NO INTENT TO HAMMER JARJAR IS SCUM I REPEAT JARJAR IS SCUM

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Doesn't matter now zach he's dead

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Lol Jarjar is scum even if infinity is scum. That hammer is either scum trying to distance or scum quickhammering town.

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Jarjar obviously knows. Kush... I dunno.

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Wot

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The only person I wouldn't intent to hammer is inspector. If that guy went to lynch1 I would not hesitate

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I love those similes