Open 643: Kill All Townies! (Game Over)

[karnos]

"His posts have no useful content, but he is posting..."

I could use your reasoning to fabricate a case against nearly every player in this game. Makes me confident that you really are trying to distance from the LQ wagon = scum theory, which makes me more confident that the LQ wagon does indeed contain a large number of the scum in this game.

My reasoning isn't the only criteria for fabricating a case, my reasoning was explaining how you are blatantly wrong when you try to claim creature is inactive.

And while other posts might be equally unhelpful, I find creature's last post to be very scummy. It's like he knew LQ would flip town and wanted to go for the last second town cred.

[karnos]

so it's probably best for us to recommend he get replaced instead of killing him.

I don't think that is how it works. If he is posting content at least once every 48 hours, and getting no prods, he shouldn't be replaced. You can't just have a player replaced because they aren't providing high quality posts. What you can do, is lynch that player.

VOTE: creature

[Smithereens]

Alright, you go do your thing. I'm not too surprised that you refuse to credit a proposition that implicates your guilt so meh.

[pistachi0n]

Hey pista, do you have any other thoughts?

Jae, I've said a bunch of times I'm townreading House. Sadly I'm not as invested in Ranger's reads as you

Ranger is a townread. Creature is shaping up to be a scumread. I'm not wild about you or LQ.

Why? Why the hell is Ranger a Town read for you? WTF, at best Ranger has been NAI, at worst they are Scum.

Actually, never mind, Ranger hasn't been contributing nearly as much as she has in the town games I've played with her.

Also, I've looked over the LQ fake lynch shenanigans, and honestly, his response seems really contrived.

VOTE: LQ

[LicketyQuickety]

Links or it didn't happen.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8023311

One lousy link is the best you could do, huh? Not buying it with one game. You implied multiple games you have see this, unless you are just really new to this game and think one game means something.

Let's lynch Jae, if he flips guilty then Karnos is guilty with him.

Based on what exactly? Sorry I'm not going to blindly sheep you, that doesn't mean I think Jae is obv town. I just think Creature has a far worse iso, and despite the above he isn't inactive anymore.

You both make decent points against each other here. I'm starting to think it could be SvS.

I'm just going to say that I believe you picked out a random from this list:
Almost50
Ranger
KuroiXHF
Charloux
JaeReed
Bellaphant
karnos
Kop
House
Chip Butty
Creature
Smithereens
LicketyQuickety
DixC
pistachi0n
sad1492
hiplop

and then ran with it. Most players are being unhelpful, and creature is agreeably the least helpful. I don't equate lack of participation with being scum however, so it's probably best for us to recommend he get replaced instead of killing him. The thing that pings me though is not the fact that you're after creature, but the fact that you've actively trying to distance yourself and others from the LQ wagon by picking on a player who you know is unlikely to defend himself. Reeks of fish if you ask me.

Players like Almost50 have been posting nothing but fluff and you don't care, so I'm suspicious that you single out the least active player to divert attention towards. Would you prefer to lynch creature over a player from the LQ wagon?

I got on Jae's case for doing hypothetcal analysis and you are doing the same here. Its not the kind of thing I usually see from you. For that reason, I think people should take a good look at your ISO Day 2.

"His posts have no useful content, but he is posting..."

I could use your reasoning to fabricate a case against nearly every player in this game. Makes me confident that you really are trying to distance from the LQ wagon = scum theory, which makes me more confident that the LQ wagon does indeed contain a large number of the scum in this game.

This is going to sound weird, but I don't like that you double posted here. Its like you are pretty confident that he is Scum. This is hypothetical, but a possible interpretation is that you are getting excited that you found someone from the other Scum faction that you think you have a good case against.

"His posts have no useful content, but he is posting..."

I could use your reasoning to fabricate a case against nearly every player in this game. Makes me confident that you really are trying to distance from the LQ wagon = scum theory, which makes me more confident that the LQ wagon does indeed contain a large number of the scum in this game.

My reasoning isn't the only criteria for fabricating a case

, my reasoning was explaining how you are blatantly wrong when you try to claim creature is inactive.

And while other posts might be equally unhelpful, I find creature's last post to be very scummy. It's like he knew LQ would flip town and wanted to go for the last second town cred.

Going to have to ask other people what they think about this, but it looks like he is admitting to fabricating a case here.

so it's probably best for us to recommend he get replaced instead of killing him.

I don't think that is how it works. If he is posting content at least once every 48 hours, and getting no prods, he shouldn't be replaced. You can't just have a player replaced because they aren't providing high quality posts. What you can do, is lynch that player.

VOTE: creature

Good vote. I don't see you on the same faction as Creature (who I think is Scum), but you very well could be part of the other Scum team. Im my last game that just ended, Creature admitted to lurking as Scum.

Alright, you go do your thing. I'm not too surprised that you refuse to credit a proposition that implicates your guilt so meh.

I'm Feeling like Smith doesn't want to look at Creature or karnos points on lynching a lurker.

P-Edit: Why do you think my response is contrived? What tells you that?

[Smithereens]

@Pista, have you read any of LQ's games/played with him before?
Also Ranger is V/LA and the fact you didn't know this means you haven't even read this game...

@LQ, I don't disagree with his Creature read, however my view is that creature is just a side show to avoid drawing attention to your wagon which imo demonstrates guilty knowledge.

[Smithereens]

"You both make decent points against each other here. I'm starting to think it could be SvS."

I lol'ed. XD you must have a really low opinion of townies.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Pista, have you read any of LQ's games/played with him before?
Also Ranger is V/LA and the fact you didn't know this means you haven't even read this game...

@LQ, I don't disagree with his Creature read, however my view is that creature is just a side show to avoid drawing attention to your wagon which imo demonstrates guilty knowledge.

You are starting to slip. You are making assumptions.

[hiplop]

pistachio not reading the game is unfortunately NAI

[LicketyQuickety]

"You both make decent points against each other here. I'm starting to think it could be SvS."

I lol'ed. XD you must have a really low opinion of townies.

What makes you I think I have a low opinion of townies?

[Smithereens]

@Pista, have you read any of LQ's games/played with him before?
Also Ranger is V/LA and the fact you didn't know this means you haven't even read this game...

@LQ, I don't disagree with his Creature read, however my view is that creature is just a side show to avoid drawing attention to your wagon which imo demonstrates guilty knowledge.

You are starting to slip. You are making assumptions.

? I don't quite follow. What assumption do you refer to?

[Smithereens]

"You both make decent points against each other here. I'm starting to think it could be SvS."

I lol'ed. XD you must have a really low opinion of townies.

What makes you I think I have a low opinion of townies?

Well I know my own affiliation, so when you say that me making a good point looks scummy, I'm lead to believe that you don't think I could make good points as town hmm?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Pista, have you read any of LQ's games/played with him before?
Also Ranger is V/LA and the fact you didn't know this means you haven't even read this game...

@LQ, I don't disagree with his Creature read, however my view is that creature is just a side show to avoid drawing attention to your wagon which imo demonstrates guilty knowledge.

You are starting to slip. You are making assumptions.

? I don't quite follow. What assumption do you refer to?

That the Creature vote is a distraction.
That Pista isn't reading the game.

[Smithereens]

? I don't quite follow. What assumption do you refer to?

That the Creature vote is a distraction.
That Pista isn't reading the game.

Are you sure you're reading the game?
The creature vote = distraction is a theory that we've being arguing about quite a bit.
Pista isn't reading the game because he doesn't know that Ranger is V/LA despite the VC's clearly stating it.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going to bed. See you tomorrow.

[Smithereens]

LQ you must not have known that Ranger was V/LA either... :\

ugh..

[pistachi0n]

@Pista, have you read any of LQ's games/played with him before?
Also Ranger is V/LA and the fact you didn't know this means you haven't even read this game...

@LQ, I don't disagree with his Creature read, however my view is that creature is just a side show to avoid drawing attention to your wagon which imo demonstrates guilty knowledge.

I think I have played a game with LQ before (name is very familiar) but I don't remember the specifics of it. Is there something I should be looking for?

I'm referring to Ranger's content before the V/LA was declared. I looked at her iso before I made that post, please don't make assumptions. If I wasn't going to be reading the game, I wouldn't be wasting time making posts and playing on this site at all.

[Smithereens]

@Pista,
What are your thoughts on Jae?

Also, it's well worth reading up on LQ. I had this feeling that the wagon was too opportunistic to be genuine and I've reached the belief that there isn't anything noticeably different about LQ from game to game. Certainly not enough for everyone to be scum reading him for it.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: jaE

Hey hey

Hey hey Jury's still out on you, mate. Don't know what a non scum IC hippylop looks like yet. Don't have anything specifically I want to prod you about at this stage. Sorry for asking Bella and not you but I have a feeling she's townish <3 You can still try to IC me if you like! My trust for you right now is comparable to my thoughts on how good you are at CSing

Maybe I've been out of the game too long.

What do you mean by the abbreviations IC and CS as they are used in this post?

Inexperience-Challenged in a newbie that I replaced into. Hippylop was my IC. For my first newbie also, Bella replaced in as IC. I've been unfortunate to have never had a non-scum IC. Just finished cocktail party where singersigner was my IC and she was scum also :/

I know that I tend towards disliking your style of scumhunting as town from reading games where you were town in. I tend to scumread you when you're town anyway, so it's hard for me to judge your alignment.

Which games of mine have you read?

Huh.... I went into your threads to pick out the games and realized it was just one. I can't talk about it because rules. I don't super know why it matters what the game is, though?

??

If I wanted to confbias sure.

Paranoid of confbias here...

Haha yeah, tbf ranger's put me low on her town reads when I'm town when she's town and scum, though! So it isn't indicative of much.

I'd've rather been scum with you. I'm still not sure you aren't.

Lq's defense to me was 'creature is scum bc of ongoing and ongoings is why ranger thinks i'm scum' which was...weird.

Is that admittance to being scum and thinking I'm on the other team?

Joking around with confbias here.

Two different mindsets over the same subject (confbias) reads as disingenuous to me.

Joking at a friend on the second. I probably shouldn't do that in games. No one told me not to though. *shrugs* But yeah, I act differently towards my friends.

like, charl looks terrible and is prolly scum, but I'm still down for lynching lq.

Explain the logic of not voting for prolly scum, but rather for LQ? Or you don't really care who gets lynched?

She's voting definite scum rather than probable scum. She's gotta care who gets lynched no matter her alignment. What you brought up is a null point and a misrep.

Don't think it was intentional, just saying read the posts :p

If it's a misrep, by definition it isn't null. Are you coaching?

Eh, from Charl I think it is null because I don't think it was intentional. I just think he didn't read the posts properly. You can skim as either alignment. I mean, I am coaching him to read the posts, sure? If you're asking flat out if we're scumbuddies then the answer is always going to be no regardless of my alignment or his, so I don't see the point in such a question. It'd be better to ask others what they think about it and see if their thoughts line up with your own, imo.

But I'm pretty bad so my theory there is potentially useless.

[Ranger]

Now i understand how Rangers reads also count as reaction tests!

<3

I really think house is scum

So do I, but LicketyQuickety is still scum too.
{karnos, hiplop, Smithereens, JaeReed, Charloux}
{Kuroi, pistachi0n}
{Creature, Almost50}
{Chip Butty, Kop}
{sad}
{Bellaphant, DixC}
{House}
{LicketyQuickety}

[JaeReed]

But why pick randomly when there are better methods?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8021473

Scum iso. If LQ is town, this is obvious trying for town cred by opposing the wagon before it goes through.

VOTE: creature

The problem with this line of thinking is that scum are scumhunting too. Creature wouldn't know for sure anyone is town so the grab for towncred in that situation could go horribly wrong. All that means, I think, is that he legitimately thinks he's town.

[Ranger]

(and it has to be tonight because I am sure she is dying tonight regardless of alignment).

Well, I am gonna die tonight since there's no town doctor, but devil's advocate, the only way I'd die N1 as scum is if we lynched my faction's doctor or if I was in fact my faction's doctor.

But this is true enough. Last multiball game, I nailed both scum and for my trouble ate the N1 nightkill as scum.

I have to admit, I've placed you in my top-tier for town, but I'm not absolutely sure you're town. It's more like you have

such

a good grasp of me, and where I'm coming from, that you'd be breaking my heart if you were scum.

...Also, pretty sure you'd get nightkilled too. :P

I'm doing this for mine and to see how far off the mark I am when/if she does explain it.

As hinted above, you're scarily close.

@Ranger when you get back... What did you think of these parts of Bella's post?

Well, Bella's still low on my list. I think she's not the highest-priority lynch. She seems to have some content which is good and looks to be scumhunting, but I think there is a very significant chance she's scum.

[Ranger]

Haha yeah, tbf ranger's put me low on her town reads when I'm town when she's town and scum, though!

I don't recall placing you low when I was scum except as your scumbuddy.
Which, mind you, is why you ended up being low in all the other town games. :P

{karnos, hiplop, Smithereens, JaeReed, Charloux}
{Kuroi, pistachi0n}
{Creature, Almost50, Chip Butty}
{Kop}
{sad}
{Bellaphant, DixC}
{House}
{LicketyQuickety}

The Kop, sad, and Bellaphant tiers may need some adjustments. Hopefully found in the following five pages.

[Ranger]

Ranger's posts have been completely null to me.

It's multiball.

Multiball

.

You don't need to read me.

Like, at all.

I'm dead.

Like, no matter what, I'm a corpse before the end of the game.

[Ranger]

Towny lynch response.

You would say this.

You would also not be correct.