Micro 615: The Walking Dead: Episode 5 (GAME OVER)

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VOTE: Mollie

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Let's aim for me actually being active before you try to suss my alignment out Mollie.

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I don't like S_S and that gambit, I don't dislike Java's play enough to ask for a claim yet.

Cake calling me suspicious after an RVS vote and a wee bit of inactivity struck a chord with me.

Mollie is mollie, I'm townreading her because literally I find it hard not to.

Kind of townier-than-null on BBT because the reaction to S-S's gambit looked town - I'd have had the same reaction if I hadn't been on a train in the middle of a field in England at the time.

Sorry about that by the way. Activity from now henceforth.

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I suppose I just get a townie vibe from Mollie. I played with her in my last game and she seems relatively similar but for not being conftown in this game.

Java seems somewhat hazy - I don't trust the statements being made about gambits. It aeems more like appealing to the masses than their opinion, The thing with that is if more people hold that opinion it's more likely that Java is genuine.

I suppose it comes down to Java's posts coming across as more calculated than genuine.

Ninja'd: Cakez I just felt it was somewhat forced whilst in RVS. It's a vague feeling of negative intent but I'm biased because it was against me.

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Hah, good spot GL. Totally missed that myself UNVOTE: Mollie

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BBT is awfully quiet. Thoughts on Mollie and Java, buddy?

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I'm not really sure how WL came up with that townread on me.

I openly admit that if I were someone else in this game I'd read myself as potensh lurk-scum. Ehh. #291 seems somewhat far-reaching given my lack of activity but I quite like the posts throughout the game from the pair of them. I don't particularly want to see them lynched in just the same way that I didn't really want to see Java have to claim I didn't really get the votes on his wagon. Maybe a flaw in my gameplay but Day 1 claims really irritate me.

I really hate the use of meta from S_S to try and push on WL. It's not often I'd say I see scum work hard to use meta and search as throughly as he did, however to use meta like this to push on WL, when their argument aligns pretty well with WL's.

I'm not seeing what makes WL scummy and this looks fairly contradictory in terms of the flow of S_S's logic.

@S_S: If your meta argument supports what WL is arguing, why aren't you voting Java instead? Because at the moment it looks like you're arguing the same point with WL against Java yet wanting to lynch WL anyway.

I'd just like to know what your reasoning is behind voting for WL, essentially.

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Well (correct me if I'm wrong) but the statistics you found seemed to back-up WL's argument that Java's claim was a rolecop, but scum-aligned. It seemed strange that you would reference sources that backed up their argument, then have a go at them anyway.

I heartily dislike the use of meta anyway but that's a different matter.

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I wasn't so much as complaining that S_S's vote wasn't on Java, as wondering why he was quoting sources that backed a Java lynch yet voting for WL.

I'm unconvinced by the WL wagon. I also now quite like where Cakez is coming from.

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I can actually see myself coming around to this way of thinking. One moment whilst I ISO WL.

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Yeah okay I feel good about this:

VOTE: WhiteLight

L-1

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I'm sceptical, but I'm happy to sleep on it. UNVOTE: WhiteLight

Part of me wants WL to be telling the truth but the actions they've taken could easily be done by scum too, and so I'll still consider putting them back at L-1 tomorrow!!

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I agree that we should be lynching between those two today. Objectively I'd say go for the weaker role of the two, but then again Java's pleas of innocence look more indignant than scummy. Problem is, WL's did too.

That Java isn't attacking what is essentially a counter-claim (I know it's not, but it totally is) is just weird as hell. I can't read any alignment-indicative information from that. 'My Counter Claim is town?'

As much as I dislike that we've been forced down this road by setup speculation, if my vote goes on scum now I'm happy.

VOTE: Java L-1

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Shotty trying to play the game with maths doesn't read well to me. Just noise, in my opinion.

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Yeah, it's just noise. Do you think Java is scum?

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Talking about the maths of lynching in a micro game is noise. The mathematics are skewed by how players interact. Who would you rather vote right now? Because at the moment it almost seems like you're saying 'anybody but them'.

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Talking about the maths of lynching in a micro game is noise. The mathematics are skewed by how players interact. Who would you rather vote right now? Because at the moment it almost seems like you're saying 'anybody but them'.

And if you would read the "noise" you would see why! Honestly with your last few post, and the fact that you seem scared of this not going through, I would vote you.

No joke, why aren't you then? If you're hunting for scum outside of those two (with a 20% chance of hitting scum rather than what is quite likley a 50% by the way, yay maths) then why aren't you trying hard to get me lynched?

Stop coasting and take a strong stance on -something- please.

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Scum is on my wagon for sure, therefore

VOTE: maverick

Would vote Mollie but she has soft claimed protective and I think lynching a PR day 1 is a bad idea.

Fine but if you and WL turn out to both be town tonight we go after mollie tomorrow.
VOTE: mav

That's some pretty heavy buddying.

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Also mav. If you're accusing shotty of buddying then that means you think java is town? Unless you're using the term incorrectly? Explain your point in 493

Someone's eager to jump to conclusions regarding my opinion. I happen to to scumread shotty to an extent. Lesser than Java, but it just looks to me like 'oh, that's the play we're going with' and I'm surprised more people aren't alarmed by it.

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It's worth remembering that Shotty once thought lynching between WL and Java was a good idea, and when it started looking like that was going to be the case suddenly hopped off the Java wagon and started a mathematics degree.

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Way to miss the point. If you still think Java is scum, why is that? You seemed pretty cavalier about it a few pages ago. It's pretty strange that you thought Java was scum, then you hopped off the wagon to scumhunt elsewhere and you're now scumreading me, for wanting to lynch someone who you pretty much agreed was scum, and since then you've not done anything to suggest your opinion has changed, just that you'd rather look elsewhere first.

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Also mav. If you're accusing shotty of buddying then that means you think java is town? Unless you're using the term incorrectly? Explain your point in 493

Someone's eager to jump to conclusions regarding my opinion. I happen to to scumread shotty to an extent. Lesser than Java, but it just looks to me like 'oh, that's the play we're going with' and I'm surprised more people aren't alarmed by it.

Way to parrot what S_S said, which still never made any sense to begin with.

Do you understand what buddying is? Buddying refers to when scum sucks up to a town player to make the town player feel like their opinion is right and that scum is also town.

Therefore, shotty can only be buddying if java is town. Scum can't buddy scum, that's not a valid use of the phrase.

So it's completely inconsistent to have your vote on someone and then also say another player is buddying them. Java and shotty may both be scum, but in that case whatever shotty was doing wasn't buddying. If you're saying shotty is buddying, then your vote should absolutely not be on java.

Your defensive reaction to my question was bad, and I still don't understand your position. So do you think shotty and java are scumbuddies?

So pretty much entire post was dedicated to defining a piece of terminology?

Okay. *Yawn*

And yes, I'd have shotty and Java pegged as potential partners based on their interactions and the fact I think they're both scum.

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I don't really see what's townie in Shotty's play, if that's what you're asking S_S. Only reason I'm not voting him yet is because I believe there is a much better chance that Java is scum. I'd support a shotty lynch wholeheartedly though.

You all seem very pre-occupied with a piece of terminology without understanding the intent behind it. Shotty has quickly gone from wanting to lynch Java to suddenly agreeing with him and hopping on the counter-counter-wagon on me. This looks to me like a scumteam that's realised that the bus is too obvious and that a Java lynch would significantly hurt them. All of a sudden in comes lurkbait Maverick, I use a piece of terminology (which to be honest, doesn't carry alignment-indicative bias, it's an action) which they can jump on.

GuiltyLion is worst for that, but to me Shotty is milking it to try and add validity to his vote.

FOS: Shotty

Would like to hear more people's thoughts on this, specifically and if others can see what I'm getting at.

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I want to lynch java tomorrow possibly, pending results of the two investigating one another. You are making it seem as if I am calling him town. I am simply giving him the chance to prove that he is. Again, and I don't know how many times I can say this. If they are both town. We hit 5 man lylo on day 3, why isn't this concerning to you?

Because I don't think they're both town, and deciding on when we reach LYLO should never be a factor in anybody's mind if they have faith in their scumreads. I believe Java is scum, my vote is on him, when we lynch him and he flips we shan't be closer to LYLO. If my scumread is wrong then fair cop, I re-read and I re-evaluate the game. However until that point my vote stays where I think it is most likely to hit scum.

What do you think of WL, Shotty?

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If it were completely random, 50%.

But it's not completely random, everyone plays differently, the fact that some roles have more power than others and more information than others and the human element is not randomised in a RNG which skews the math. Stop playing the countdown numbers round and start playing mafia.

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Yeah, pretty much. Even if it were completely random (which it's not, as you managed to ignore) I'd be happy with that.

Given that I have the benefit of scumreads, I'm even happier with it. I'm fairly certain that one of WL and Java is scum. I'm pretty sold on Java, but if that were to flip town (it won't) I'd be up for lynching WL or you tommorow.

Stop. Playing. The. Numbers. Game.

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Are you voting me based on the numbers?

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So why're you asking me to play the numbers game when your vote isn't based on the numbers, Shotty? Why? I'm happy where my vote is and tommorow it'll likely be on you.

GL: If they were trying to put some distance between each other, it's certainly worked a number on you. My kneejerk reaction is that it's un-natural, flippy-floppy and downright scummy.

Why do I feel like I'm being treated somewhat condescendingly?

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How was that even close to AtE? Feel like putting more words in my mouth? You're just being a dick. We have different opinions get over it.

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GL you're not, you're fine. A little off if you read me as scum (do you? idk.) but fine. BBT really seems hesitant to catch up - RL has to account for some of that but I cant really get a grasp. I feel like he toyed with the idea of WL and Java both being town but is now on the Java wagon which is flip-floppy so call it null-scum.

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The first 2, aye but after it either comes across as forced or noise (maths).

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Or he could potentially be third-party and disregard it to throw everyone. His play suggests to me an anti-town influence which to me says scum.

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Shotty, you're wanted...

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V/LA until Sunday evening (12th) - long working weekend and things to do.

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Who would you want to lynch tommorow, Java?

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Also mav. If you're accusing shotty of buddying then that means you think java is town? Unless you're using the term incorrectly? Explain your point in 493

*snip*

And yes, I'd have shotty and Java pegged as potential partners based on their interactions and the fact I think they're both scum.

It's not defining a piece of terminology, it is pointing out a flaw in your logic, or proof you are speaking from a place of ignorance. You threw out a buzz work with out thinking it through, that is scummy

This is really bad the way GL comes up with an original point, but then Shotty jumps on it and parrots GL hard. Now, seeing that there's little to no traction on my wagon, he's finally elected to announce intent to hammer.

I think this is our lynch tommorow - anyone have anything they wish to add? The way in which Shotty has gone about presenting their argument is really rather scummy.

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It's quite snide the way Shotty has tried to discredit my argument and it's not in a very town point-counterpoint manner. It's in a very underhanded, less-direct way.

Yeah, it's just noise. Do you think Java is scum?

I'm not sure, that is what scares me about this. The fact that you are so quick to ignore this and rush this lynch is just scummy as hell.

This is misrepresentation. I asked a simple question, and received an answer that not only sat on the fence, but also attempted to place me in a spotlight.

Scum is on my wagon for sure, therefore

VOTE: maverick

Would vote Mollie but she has soft claimed protective and I think lynching a PR day 1 is a bad idea.

Fine but if you and WL turn out to both be town tonight we go after mollie tomorrow.
VOTE: mav

Seems a very weak attempt at a counterwagon to the Java one.

Also mav. If you're accusing shotty of buddying then that means you think java is town? Unless you're using the term incorrectly? Explain your point in 493

*snip*

And yes, I'd have shotty and Java pegged as potential partners based on their interactions and the fact I think they're both scum.

It's not defining a piece of terminology, it is pointing out a flaw in your logic, or proof you are speaking from a place of ignorance. You threw out a buzz work with out thinking it through, that is scummy

This is really bad the way GL comes up with an original point, but then Shotty jumps on it and parrots GL hard. Now, seeing that there's little to no traction on my wagon, he's finally elected to announce intent to hammer.

I think this is our lynch tommorow - anyone have anything they wish to add? The way in which Shotty has gone about presenting their argument is really rather scummy.

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Ugh...

@Mod: Could you have a whack at clearing that formatting up? I can't internet. Thanks!

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People can change their own meta, I don't like using it or it being used with me because it's just not a thing as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's wrong of me but I just don't think it's a valid scumhunting or townvalidating tool.

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Didn't you already have Java pegged as a scumread though?

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I shan't discuss playstyles with you until after the game - after which I'll be happy to. It's not relevant to the current topic. Do you see the validity, however, in my points that outline Shotty's scumminess?

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It's the way in which he's put his reads across that really irks me. It seems really rather forced.

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1) Way to misdirect.
2) I've halted the game with my stubbornness? How, exactly?

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My vote is where I'm happy today, I'm now focusing on who I want to lynch tommorow. How exactly is that wasting time?

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So you'd prefer if I held my tongue and the game was silent for a few hours? People can comment on what I think before they or you hammer. Hell, some might even agree with me and we have talking points for the next RL day, and after the flip.

It's you that is trying to stagnate discussion, and that is because you are scum.

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If you have any pertinent points you want to talk about it, how about you go ahead and start talking. I'd rather that than you trying to stifle discussion totally.

Ninja'd: I've considered that, but refer to my previous posts to why I don't think that's the case.

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Really want to see the flip.

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S_S lost a few townie points there - I find myself agreeing with GL that he's being hypocritical and this certainly warrants further attention post-flip.

V/LA until Wednesday morning - camping for a night in the Lake District and then working as soon as I return. Phoneposts at best, if day restarts whilst I'm away.

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Will catch up on the developments and comment on the flip on Sunday, since I'm working a stupid amount of hours today. Sorry to have to make you wait longer for my input, everyone.

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Glenn Rhee, VT. Shock, horror!

Figured yous could talk about this now you have every claim whilst I catch up properly.

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VOTE: Shotty

I can't see anything that really changes how I feel about yesterday and that claim only reaffirms my belief that Shotty is scum.

As yet undecided between WL and GL. I kinda want to side with WL and lynch GL as the second scum but I'm more sure on Shotty at the moment.

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Mollie you pushed fairly well on WL yesterday in the 1v1, what makes you now think they're town?

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Well that's interesting. I'd like an answer to the above as well.

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Late to the party as always, me. Phoneposting so hurrah for that.

GL pegged as scum for me, so to me it's then a choice between Cakez (Nahh) SS (Ehh) and Shotty (Hmmm.) depending on the flip (Probs scum) and the death assuming there is one.

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Way to be pedantic, shotty.

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Thanks radja!

Any comments/critique on how I played guys? Always happy to hear it.

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Well I had WL and someone else I think both saying I was 100% town and yeat I couldn't really do much with this consesnus that surrounded my alignment. Maybe I'm missing something, but I felt as though I was more along for the ride than helping to push scum. I certainly need to work on my persuasive writing for when (as with Shotty) I think I'm on scum.

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Brilliant