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[BBmolla]

Claim:

2-shot Role Yielder

Oh, and I'm Masons with Molla.

He says we should:

VOTE: Wake88

Confirming. Me and Wake are Masons. But feel free to disbelieve us.

VOTE: Wake88
following through with the plans we outlined

[BBmolla]

Hoopla's first post is scummy, completely serious

[BBmolla]

that's why its scummy

[BBmolla]

i hate to interrupt my hat/egg gambit... maybe i will return to that later.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bbmolla

just so we're clear you don't actually think I'm scum, correct? You're just mad that I tried to avoid the "early game mess around phase where scum can hide and build up friendliness easily," right?

[BBmolla]

your vote sucks though :/

[BBmolla]

Robb is town btw

[BBmolla]

BlankFaces post sucks

[BBmolla]

Let's just mass claim now

Me and House are Masons

Popcorn House

[BBmolla]

I disagree I think scum is more likely to suggest a mass claim d1

[BBmolla]

do you mind divulging which site you came from cmilk?

[BBmolla]

I don't really have a comment other than you need to pay more attention lmfao

[BBmolla]

it's k I don't really think you're scum anyway I just hated Hoopla's reasoning

[BBmolla]

I don't really have a comment other than you need to pay more attention lmfao

ctc didn't suggest a day 1 mass claim but you did so i'm paying attention.

ill explain why you're being silly when you're older

[BBmolla]

I shouldn't have to but whatever.

[BBmolla]

i'm olderer now

vote molla

holy fuck you're an idiot

do I seriously need to say this out loud

is mafiascum that fucking awful

is my mason buddy house the only sane individual in this game

[BBmolla]

it's k I don't really think you're scum anyway I just hated Hoopla's reasoning

@Elyse

read people jesus fuck

[BBmolla]

this is definitely going to be the game I get reported for something , I can tell

[BBmolla]

My vote on you wasn't serious

got to include an emoji or something next time. mafia is srs bzns

p.edit - the only person who seems to have problems reading right now is you molla.

read between the lines you dense fother mucker

[BBmolla]

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

[BBmolla]

it's k I don't really think you're scum anyway I just hated Hoopla's reasoning

@Elyse

read people jesus fuck

But what you said didn't disprove what Hoopla was saying. Hoopla said that cmit is an overeager newbie trying to figure out what the town should do. You said scum are more likely to massclaim D1. That only makes sense if cmit is suggesting massclaim D1.

yeah okay I'm wrong

[BBmolla]

Anyone up for some questions? I tried RQS in my last offsite game and it got some pretty good discussion going. I know it’s not very popular here, but I at the very least prefer it over RVS.

RQS does not provide any useful content as all of it is alignment irrelevant.

RVS is alignment relevant.

[BBmolla]

6) Do you believe in having a D1 trust/buddy? If “yes” who here would be your D1 trust/buddy?

this question is okay tho

yes and house

[BBmolla]

Okay, how is a random vote alignment relevant when it is random?

You are directly interacting with a player. And the thought is that RVS is never truly random.

[BBmolla]

Unless you random it with a dice, then it's pointless.

But that also could say the player is nervous about RVS and trying to avoid it.

[BBmolla]

1) Do you prefer to play as Town, Mafia, or Independent?
2) What is your favorite role?
3) What are your strengths as a player?
4) What are your weaknesses as a player?
5) Do your strengths and weaknesses change with your alignment?
7) What is the story behind your current avatar picture?

I don't see how theory/alignment irrelevant questions will cause scum to trip over themselves. It'll just allow them to post fluff content without getting called out.

[BBmolla]

1) Do you prefer to play as Town, Mafia, or Independent?
2) What is your favorite role?
3) What are your strengths as a player?
4) What are your weaknesses as a player?
5) Do your strengths and weaknesses change with your alignment?
7) What is the story behind your current avatar picture?

I don't see how theory/alignment irrelevant questions will cause scum to trip over themselves. It'll just allow them to post fluff content without getting called out.

^ this.


I wish I could get more answers to my question... when do you think we should mass claim.

Possibly never.

[BBmolla]

LYLO is typically when mass claim is warranted.

[BBmolla]

Why can't I engage with somebody if I like/dislike their answer to a question? Does that not count as interacting?

Grendel what's your favorite TV show?

[BBmolla]

I would say the same of early game joke posting, and RVS.

I agree about Rvs, it's why I rarely do it

I'd love to hear some ideas from you on better ways to generate early content.

[BBmolla]

RVS is like voting in a democracy. It's fine if you don't do it as long as everyone else is.

[BBmolla]

I wouldn't say I'm a good player personally, just loud

[BBmolla]

You don't think it has any merit? What about the part where I caught him in a lie?

I misread shit, it happens. Many times I'll get caught up my own ass without merit. It's what happens when you play off gut instead of logic.

[BBmolla]

Also, mafia isn't a game of right and wrong: You can have a town player who is consistently wrong and scum who is consistently right, that doesn't say shit about alignment. People get way to focused on being "right" because they think if they're ever "wrong" they'll be seen as scummy. I'm wrong all the fucking time, not just about reads, but about basic reading comprehension. I get too hyped on myself.

Where is matters is if you actually think I'm making shit up on purpose.

[BBmolla]

Protip: I'm not. I can cover when I'm wrong as scum by lying.

[BBmolla]

Mainly I'm just sick of this shit because it keeps happening. Players get all worked up over literally fucking nothing and I have to bitch and complain until they realize I'm town. Normal players man, I keep telling myself never to sign up again but I keep coming back.

[BBmolla]

I would also insert all those links as evidence that I'm shit at this game

[BBmolla]

ideally i wanted to push bbmolla's wagon a bit more, because he seems to crumble into a beautiful puddle of emotional appeals (which i love btw), and wanted to see who else jumped on board. but i won't be here for a while and don't want things to get too out of control, given i now believe he is town.

[BBmolla]

I like the Twilight Zone. You?

holy shit dude good choice. Twilight Zone is some of the best TV I've ever watched, I think it's on netflix now. Favorite episode?

[BBmolla]

@House I just finished reading the links and I realized that it was a joke. I'm a derp.

Is Molla always so mean? He comes off as really rude in a lot of his posts this game, and in the ones he linked.

I'm an ass yes.

Typically I'm a lot more pleasing as scum.

[BBmolla]

Cool hoopla is town

[BBmolla]

Oh wait I double reversed it

[BBmolla]

consider it a compliment that I think your reads are so horrid that I don't think you feasibly be this bad as town

[BBmolla]

ignore that last post sorry >.<

[BBmolla]

I just got mixed up, I admitted my mistake, not much else I can do there.

[BBmolla]

You falsely accuse someone of asking for a day 1 mass claim
You go and actually ask for one
Then you deny you did and still try to say somebody else did it.

My sense of humor is that of being really ironic

Me and House are fake claiming masons

I think someone is suggesting a mass claim, misunderstanding because I'm a low effort poster who doesn't double check anything

I suggest a massclaim and claim mason and pass it on to House who I know will claim Mason and stop or pass it on jokingly or whatever

you're making a mountain out of an anthill. you're also under the impression that misunderstanding something is scum which is just wrong. you seem to have this thought that if a player isn't perfect with their fact and post checking they're scum when in reality its laziness

[BBmolla]

mafia isn't a game of absolutes.

[BBmolla]

:/

I'll just vig him

[BBmolla]

also people don't like me, I drop like 40 places in the popularity contest this year

[BBmolla]

I'm not trying to downplay you I'm trying to change your definition of the situation to be correct

I'm not scum g. Like Hoopla has seen me as scum and she seems pretty thoroughly convinced that I'm playing town enough that its beyodn my capability to fake as scum which I agree

[BBmolla]

i haven't even scumhunted because I've been too busy defending myself g

[BBmolla]

Vedith is a good vote

house who is scum?

[BBmolla]

I actually think Elyse's back off would be a weird move as scum? Like it's just so strange.

[BBmolla]

House were on the same page \o/

Wake would be my other vote if able

[BBmolla]

Robb your expectations of people are absurd. I don't want to accuse you of anything but you don't have a good grasp on what an average person works logically and emotionally.

[BBmolla]

Actual scumhunting is looking for motivation. You are not doing that second thing.

theres the words I was looking for

[BBmolla]

[BBmolla]

happy birthday

[BBmolla]

You're exceedingly deluded.

[BBmolla]

Yeah just ignore him tbh

[BBmolla]

blankface reads?

[BBmolla]

hoopla i like all your posts

[BBmolla]

Hey lets lynch Vedith

[BBmolla]

Let me know when this discussion is over with, I literally have nothing more to say about it that hasn't been said, Robb is really far off his ass to the point of being anti-town and I'm thoroughly convinced he's just awful at mafia at this point.

[BBmolla]

up his ass

off works too I guess

[BBmolla]

Wake you should vote Vedith

[BBmolla]

I highly advise Rob be vigged btw.

[BBmolla]

Low posting, non-commital, very stand in the back, I generally try to find the "lurking" scum of the group first and find the others from there. This is pretty standard early mafia posting.

Hello all
VOTE: Egg

I am ready to have a fun game. This is actually me first game of mafia on the mafiascum website =)

Welcome to the game!

however, by your tones, i haven't established you as chill yet, but you're in the maybe section for hoopla's town voting bloc. only chill townies allowed (no mafia).

Sounds like a great town bloc.
I'd sign up, but I just don't care enough to join a town bloc.

I do have concern that you are hiding a pointless comment, with a buddying comment.
Going by this, you have Robbnva as a LeanTown already, correct?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

Get that god damn vote off me, before you pressure me too much!

[BBmolla]

At the very worst Vedith starts to post more and we realize they're town and unvote. At the best they post more and reaffirms they're scum.

[BBmolla]

I'm sad Robb wasn't tbqh.

I don't really think House is scummy for defending me.

[BBmolla]

i genuinely don't know what is going on now.

i am mostly waiting for the non-contributors to contribute and over-contributors to stop.

lets switch up the vedith/blankface wagons:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: blankface

Do you think Vedith is town now?

[BBmolla]

I'm sad Robb wasn't tbqh.

I don't really think House is scummy for defending me.

If your town why would you be sad a town pr wasn't mod killed?

Because I'd rather play basketball with no ball than using poop as the ball.

[BBmolla]

I'm fine with either but I just don't want Vedith to lurk out the pressure

[BBmolla]

Hoopla you rock.

[BBmolla]

I'm interested in lynching BlankFace, BBMolla, and Vedith today. That's it. BB and BlankFace continue to cheerlead Hoopla from the side and avoid scumhunting. I know BB probably won't be lynched simply because no one wants Robb to get what he wants, but he's actually scum y'all.

okay cause i didn't start the vedith wagon

[BBmolla]

if we're lycnhing someone else we need to hrury the fuck up we have 3 days left

[BBmolla]

if we're lycnhing someone else we need to hrury the fuck up we have 3 days left

Three days is plenty of time. Why so cereal?

7 people take forever to coordinate and we would still need a claim and possible lynch reversal in that time

just saying if we're doing this hurry

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BlankFace

[BBmolla]

chaos seems town dont want to go there today

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Masquerade

[BBmolla]

I don't like BBMolla's using defending himself as an excuse not to scum hunt (Post 306).

I think it's completely valid so whatever

[BBmolla]

Elyse's reads are really really bad

[BBmolla]

post

lynch masquerade

[BBmolla]

I'm the people's champion, and I investigated Elyse. They're scum.

is this legit?

[BBmolla]

KtS confirm you're claiming a guilty or I'm ignoring it

[BBmolla]

Hey all I've been busy lately. I'm pretty happy with this lynch still.

[BBmolla]

My house townread has decreased with kts.

You're pretty townish

I'm catching up

[BBmolla]

Cool. And sorry, I just noticed that you said your were busy in you last post. Hope I didn't seem inconsiderate.

nah dude were good lmao I need that sort of "LOOK HERE MOLLA" cause I do tend to skim large posts.

I did see your post though, and was getting to it, but wanted to go back and look

[BBmolla]

I think Sera is reading Blankface as scum for playstyle reasons. Or was.

cmit is possible scum, hard to tell he just looks bored

if a vig exists you need to shoot tonight btw.

I don't know where the other scum are, I just really think its masquerade for today.

[BBmolla]

I kind of want to townread Hoopla by default so if someone could backup that read from a perspective that isn't being debateably buddied, that'd be swell.

[BBmolla]

why didn't you shoot when there was a modkill

[BBmolla]

k then who'd you shoot

[BBmolla]

can we just lynch masquerade

[BBmolla]

why would there be a fucking 1-shot vig in this game

[BBmolla]

myself so I can vengekill him

[BBmolla]

01. Robbnva (Town Jailkeeper turned Neutral Survivor, removed from game D1

CAN I PLEASE FUCKING POINT THIS OUT

THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY ALL THESE KIDS WERE BLOCKED

[BBmolla]

Hoopla what the ever loving fuck are you doing this game

[BBmolla]

Hoopla what the ever loving fuck are you doing this game

what's your issue, molla?

nvm over reacted

[BBmolla]

I don't see Grendel being scum in any possibility here. Unless they're both scum I guess which is lmfao

[BBmolla]

- Molla fits too as an early distancing vote for Masq today, but also keeping open a possibility to switch to cmitc. This means I was wrong about my meta read on him early, but when you weigh it against his entire game doing nothing but happily basking in my town read on him, it wouldn't be that much of a mindfuck.

im literally 90% confident thats my town meta to a t

[BBmolla]

could be a scum weak neighbouriser

[BBmolla]

I mostly kid tho

[BBmolla]

Hoopla House was force replaced, see ban announcements.

[BBmolla]

I still think masq is scum and don't know partner nor care for today

[BBmolla]

your play after masq's claim was kinda gross though hoopla

[BBmolla]

I tried to invite elyse, but i guess i was roleblocked.

throwing this out there, why would cmit be roleblocked

I think it's more likely ascetic or rolestopper making elyse scum

[BBmolla]

you said something like "we have a confirmable role here just let them confirm it" when you made a thread in md about how much normal people love including scum roleblockers

[BBmolla]

your play is better now I just don't like your backtracking and I don't like how I'm missing a scum member in every scum team I can think of, which would likely make you scum cause you're one of the players I hold in highest regard in this game

[BBmolla]

i feel so overjoyed with luck

[BBmolla]

I just want masq to die

[BBmolla]

I was neighborized.

[BBmolla]

He left a message before he died in the neighborhood to look at kill, he thought kill may be connected with masq because kill was saying the masq wagon was scum motivated

[BBmolla]

I think we should lynch Kill personally regardless of that

[BBmolla]

or egg

idk

[BBmolla]

@Dierfire:
If a neighborizor neighborized a target and was nightkilled, would the target still be added to the neighborhood?

[BBmolla]

maybe just no lynch today.

[BBmolla]

it's mylo and no sure confirmed innocent. if there's doubt in my innocence then just nl. If we had someone who was basically confirmed town it'd be a bad idea.

[BBmolla]

Oi I'm dumb sorry

[BBmolla]

Hoopla the NAR seems pretty straightforward that neighborizer comes before kill

[BBmolla]

first post is a welcome. this was way back on the 14th,

second is him asking for whoever's role and such and to avoid connections. also on the 14th.

next is him telling me what his thoughts were if he died, the one I posted. it's obviously paraphrased.

[BBmolla]

that message was on the 24th

[BBmolla]

correct.

[BBmolla]

It was created at the start of the game judging by mod posts.

[BBmolla]

whelp.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Blankface

[BBmolla]

post

[BBmolla]

possible. I think Hoopla is pretty town, but I pretty much always do. She just always seems so on point

[BBmolla]

I think one or the other is scum, I don't see a plausible scumteam without one of them?

[BBmolla]

why isn't blank voting?

[BBmolla]

post

[BBmolla]

dude there was literally 2 flips before my masq vote

[BBmolla]

do flips not change your reads?

[BBmolla]

like literally 2 posts before

[BBmolla]

It's probably Blank/Elyse

[BBmolla]

yeah I guess that's possible

he's an extreme non factor but nothing particularly scummy

[BBmolla]

I fucking HATE how Wingback is trying to keep me as a lynchable target while calling me town, that's fucking gross.

[BBmolla]

it's fine to have doubts, but there way you're going about it is really shitty. I don't think I've ever seen someone actually fucking say "What if he was scum?" like no shit everyone can possibly be scum

I guess my questions here is what situation would I be scum in and how likely do you find that?

[BBmolla]

Yo BBmolla, Am I going to have to redirect you to my questions every time I ask them???

@BBmolla

If Hoopla/Blank is today's lynch and she/he flipped scum who you pursue tomorrow? And if she/he flips town who would you pursue?

elyse

[BBmolla]

and blank if she's town

[BBmolla]

Here

Excited to read math blade content

[BBmolla]

I think he's scum because he's not scumhunting.

lmao

[BBmolla]

Why is the Mathblade/Blankface lynch so opposed?

[BBmolla]

That's what I'm confused about.

[BBmolla]

yeah elyse is scum lmao

[BBmolla]

D3 FINAL COUNT

Hoopla (5): Elyse, Grendel, Egg, MathBlade, Wingback

Egg (1): Hoopla
MathBlade (1): BBmolla
Elyse (1): Killthestory

Me + Killthestory should basically be ruled out due to this imo

unless you honestly believe Hoopla could be lynched by 5 townies

i don't