The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[pirate mollie]

I have had a very hard time drawing the read out in a way that I cld clarify it for myself and for other pple to see it is cos he will do a 1v1 thing (he has done this in the past) and pple wind up townreading him for it, it is how he wins as scum.

If you have a link or two showing this and it plays out that way this game I will grind him into the dust for you.

this is the game where we were scum together:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60046

here is 1:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65526

he is scum with kuroi here and I was in a hydra with utl.

I have a cple of older games, if you want those

[farside22]

I really don't like Catdog vote at all, with no reason at all.

[pirate mollie]

I really don't like Catdog vote at all, with no reason at all.

who are you talking about here

[MagnaofIllusion]

who are you talking about here

Um ... Catdog? Hers is like the 3rd question or so question/ comment on her hop onto Hebi.

[farside22]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

So talk to me about your Hebi as scum read Catdog. Because a quick search of your posting this game comes up with only 1 mention of Hebi and it is this vote.

Mollie: moi pointed out here a very correct fact about catdog.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

So talk to me about your Hebi as scum read Catdog. Because a quick search of your posting this game comes up with only 1 mention of Hebi and it is this vote.

Mollie: moi pointed out here a very correct fact about catdog.

I know! I wanted to be sure who you were talking about tho.

[Basic]

Quick msg to say at work. Sporadic access for four nights. Will get round to reading whats new asap.

[hebichan]

Sure, I'm claiming town bulletproof, its not provable so lynch if you have to.

[Basic]

UNVOTE: Hebichan.

Oh God. Just gave posts since a quick read.

Cred to Hebichan Re: Maxous.
Xkfyu is throwing off strange feels.
Cat dog and someone else too just for the vote pile up just after the above.
Will post more later.

[Radja]

Day 1, VC 19

hebichan (8)

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KuroiXHF, Young and Witless, MagnaofIllusion, My Other Head Is Scum, farside22, Ankamius, pirate mollie, CatDog

Young and Witless (4)

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BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, hebichan

CatDog (2)

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PeregrineV, SirCakez

KuroiXHF (2)

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Wisdom, DrippingGoofball

pirate mollie (1)

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Maverick1102

Not Voting (1)

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Basic

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch! Deadline is on August 20th at 11:00 AM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-08-20 11:00:00).

Mod Notes -
Happy Birthday BBT!

[farside22]

I thought about it and I'm not moving my vote

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Any flavour Hebi?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think YAW having a hard time explaining their read on me is a town tell rather then scumtell, knowing the heads. Both of them have had difficulty reading me in the past and I think if they were scum they would have taken the easy scumread on me.

If BOTH of them have difficulty reading you why would they stick their neck out with an early read? Why not wait until they feel like they have something solid? Does it not strike you as strange that TWO people who struggle to read you both threw out a town read (that they later couldn't justify) just as you started picking up votes? The timing of that town read was bad and I don't personally think you had done anything that indicated you are town - in fact, it was quite the opposite.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks for the birthday message Radja!

[KuroiXHF]

Thanks for the birthday message Radja!

I hope you like it. I spent all night baking it.

[farside22]

Any flavour Hebi?

She's a zombie.

Actually I wonder......I need to see what the final episode of season 1 had again.


Nope, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TS-19

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am not having difficulty to explain my read.

Pushing activity is a towntell and that's what SirCakez was trying to do.

You're very clearly struggling to explain the read.

Pushing activity is not a town tell. Additionally, SC was not pushing acitivity. Asking where other players are when you start coming under pressure is not pushing activity - it's looking for distractions/help.

He might be scum, but he's not as obvious as hebichan - or perhaps you.

Where did this scum read on CatDog come from?

I still like my vote

Someone better fucking vig this.

[Wisdom]

Why? Youre acting just like her

[Wisdom]

(Except shes actually voting scum)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wisdom, you're boring me now.

[Wisdom]

Youre right, mindlessly tunneling is less boring

[farside22]

I find kurio to be doing surface level scum hunting, that include cherry picking post.
Catdog looks a lot less town on reread.
Max still has done nothing to impress me and finally mollie just feels off to me. Gut reading her as scum currently.
Finally you have hebichan, who in a nut shell made weird reason votes and lack of interaction to figure players out.

Examples:

before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

What kind of scum garbage softclaim is that, mollie only has 3 votes and she's freaking out

Honestly willing to get some more pressure on this slot. Thought I also dont understand the sudden kuroi townreads, he hasn't done anything that impressive since I voted him.

He hasn't done anything that scummy either though.

VOTE: pirate mollie

This was after calling kurio scum or no reason stated.

You should read the exchange between YAW and myself where they both state a town read on SC and then fail in being able to justify it.

That is really weird. I missed it before honestly, because townreads are townreads but cakez hasn't been the best player today. At the same time, I haven't been able to see many people justify a townread on Kuroi either, but that is more on them than kuroi... maybe I'm tunneling too hard here...

They are voting on me I guess? I think they made an okay reason there though. If they are scum though, they could easily be trying to hide a cakez scum.
They
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Young and Witless

This was the reason for her vote on YAW.

If you look at her ISO, no where at any time does she

ever

mention that possibility.

She has basically defended herself this entire game and not once tried to figure a player out.

[Xkfyu]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.

Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

ebwop, damn quote tags got jacked up

Man, I was really confused when I saw the previous post.

Anyways, if you don't agree with BBT's push on YAW, what was it that you liked about it?

[SirCakez]

I think YAW having a hard time explaining their read on me is a town tell rather then scumtell, knowing the heads. Both of them have had difficulty reading me in the past and I think if they were scum they would have taken the easy scumread on me.

If BOTH of them have difficulty reading you why would they stick their neck out with an early read? Why not wait until they feel like they have something solid? Does it not strike you as strange that TWO people who struggle to read you both threw out a town read (that they later couldn't justify) just as you started picking up votes? The timing of that town read was bad and I don't personally think you had done anything that indicated you are town - in fact, it was quite the opposite.

Me being wagoned kinda forced the issue of reading me onto everyone.
It is somewhat strange but I don't think they'd handle it like this as scum.

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.

Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

ebwop, damn quote tags got jacked up

Man, I was really confused when I saw the previous post.

Anyways, if you don't agree with BBT's push on YAW, what was it that you liked about it?

It feels like a real push with evidence backing it up

[Xkfyu]

town

magna
bbt
far
max
ank
xfkyu

if anybody needs me to explain these reads I will. I am a bit unsure on xfkyu but I am putting him in the town pile cos I do lean town on him, I am just not that confident in my ability to read him.

unsure

mav - I think mebbe town? but I am pretty unsure and he disappeared so the read has weakened but I am thinking that mav wld not be quite so confrontational with me if he were scum.
kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

cake boy - unsure. gut wise I wanna say town but I am not sure how to go about clarifying the read. he hasn't really said any outstandingly scummy things but nothing that makes me go "I love this post!" either so unsure very light townlean.

vedithfire - I am not liking vedith and it is making me sad I kind of like where fire's head is at in this game go. but unsure

td/basic - I kind of liked td for town but basic has brought down the real estate of that slot and has made me question my read. I had td as town cos of td's familiar reach out to me, when he is scum he usually avoids me like the plague.

catdog - why have neither of them reached out to me. I can't read them if they aren't active. unsure will even call it the scummy side of unsure.

perv - unsure. I need to see more.

dgb - waiting on vedith. it wld also clarify my read on vedithfire.

yaw - unsure/lean scum? I am still not getting what I want from smart hence the scumread.

wis - scumzorz!

who did I miss

Let's talk about your reads Mollie.

First off, why do people have so much trouble reading me? I feel like I go through this during D1 of every game. People kinda town read me but say stuff like "he's giving off strange vibes." I don't really get it.

Secondly, I've been reading Wisdom as town, based on the transparency in Post 679, and the general ease in which he seems to be posting.

Lastly, you use a lot of meta in your reads. Have you had much success in the past using meta to this extent?