The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

Did you not read that game at all? That's exactly what she did. Her and Mollie both, actually.

I know this because the "town" that UTL was talking about earlier that defended you so hard was basically just me. We went back and forth about it forever.

oh it was defo you.

hence the chair

[Maxous]

One was this post where you take issue with Yaw's point against Herbi. I saw the defense of her, and even read the "case" on kurbio and I'm curious why you thought her vote on Mollie was valid vs following the crowd?

i didn't agree with the mollie vote obviously but context-wise: this was back when mollie was voting Kuroi for not giving her ~game statistics~
like, i can reasonably understand why a player would react badly to that

Finally I'm not sure why if you where scum reading both players individually why you are "letting off" YAW just for being the competing wagon.
Either you thought they were scum together are you were making up scum reads.

here You understood the herbi scum read but this was coming from the player you were scum reading at the time. Did you think they were bussing?
Why if so?

uhh no.
i read **unflipped** players individually. obviously i'm gonna take a scum-flip into account?
so i didn't really care that hebi and YAW was scum-reading each-other on day 1
I didn't PARTICULARLY think they were bussing but ehh not impossible, which is what i said.

[pirate mollie]

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

If I told why you're wrong you'd still call it discrediting
I could go through your case but I feel like it will have next to no impact on how you read me

okay well

I

want to hear it and I am sure I am not the only 1!

[pirate mollie]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

[pirate mollie]

mollie do something useful with your vote

I am working on it shut up

[Wisdom]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

[KuroiXHF]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

It's hard to only really work off one game as meta, but this really doesn't come across as town Mollie to me.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: dgb

this combined with the above post soyeah we are lynching cake boy

give me a minute to fully ketchup

[pirate mollie]

Hi all, will catch up on game later.

Can tell you all that DGB is town so you don't need to worry about her.

No hope about it Farside, she is town.

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

Oh I was checking out other ISOs and saw this
I buy it

then
VOTE: mollie

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

She called Hebi town in 804 then never mentioned her again though
It's irrelevant since there's apparently a clear on her anyway

AHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHA...AH.

VOTE: sir cakez

[farside22]

One was this post where you take issue with Yaw's point against Herbi. I saw the defense of her, and even read the "case" on kurbio and I'm curious why you thought her vote on Mollie was valid vs following the crowd?

i didn't agree with the mollie vote obviously but context-wise: this was back when mollie was voting Kuroi for not giving her ~game statistics~
like, i can reasonably understand why a player would react badly to that

Finally I'm not sure why if you where scum reading both players individually why you are "letting off" YAW just for being the competing wagon.
Either you thought they were scum together are you were making up scum reads.

here You understood the herbi scum read but this was coming from the player you were scum reading at the time. Did you think they were bussing?
Why if so?

uhh no.
i read **unflipped** players individually. obviously i'm gonna take a scum-flip into account?
so i didn't really care that hebi and YAW was scum-reading each-other on day 1
I didn't PARTICULARLY think they were bussing but ehh not impossible, which is what i said.

Here's is where I have an issue.
I can understand saying you may scum read them individually but I can't see why you would think they are scum together.
I'd like you to expand more on that thought process.

[pirate mollie]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

HUSH YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think you are town. your thought progression matched my own and it wasn't just me; it was secured with your interface with
magna and xk.

town reads in a snap, gutwise, not even looking at the game globally or trying to look deeper into whatever I made notes of are:

magna
wis
xfkyu (welcome back to my town pile. I can explain how I came to this conclusion if you want)
far
bbt
dgb
catdog (fistbumping far and I wanna see more plz)

[pirate mollie]

hey ank

whats shaking

[pirate mollie]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

It's hard to only really work off one game as meta, but this really doesn't come across as town Mollie to me.

I really feel like kuroi knows he is fucked rn

[KuroiXHF]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

It's hard to only really work off one game as meta, but this really doesn't come across as town Mollie to me.

I really feel like kuroi knows he is fucked rn

Uh... What?

[Ankamius]

hey ank

whats shaking

idk

I'll try to dump my brain out in here tomorrow.

[SirCakez]

Regarding Ank, there is a trajectory on hebi before his vote (not that it cant be bussing)

And his town game isnt very different than his scum one, sadly

I had to double check this
He made exactly one post about a hebi scumread leading up to his vote, 569 (he mentioned a townread a few posts earlier and that's it for his hebi read)
Which is rather weak and I'd barely call that a trajectory
I'll toss out the meta part then though.

cake boy is steady in my unsure pile. he hasn't doesn't done that thing he does where he makes a post and it goes ping! SCUMZORZ like it did in summer. you are not the only 1 who is frustrated over the summer game, as I am sure you are aware of. but I think it was d3 when you and I connected with that read, prior to that we just both had him where I have him now. he said scummy things then but I am not seeing that same mindset here yet. you are right, he isn't trying to make waves. but I am not quite seeing what you are seeing. he is a giant void inside my head tho, and that is a huge red flag.

I will look harder at cake boy, but can you plz look at wis so that we can compare notes? I liked the timing of 1123 and 1124, it looks town herd mentality happening but there are some posts that I do not like.

I don't object to anything in this post but the progression following it is terrible. See below.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

I find it interesting that you are reciprocating the reasons for scumreading utl, cos those are the same reasons she has for scumreading you.

so lets talk about me. what is your read on me cake boy?

Scum, I discussed this later on from the quote here

You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

He posted a readslist at one point, the only prodge/catch up later post he's made is the very last one in his ISO.
This is not his scum behavior.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

gross

Throwaway comment to throw shade with

The opportunistic arguement I hear on this site is almost as bad as the wifom one it's something people say when they can't back up the case because they know it's true

I'd say instead of opportunistic I'm being...observant

You pulled a vote on me out of nowhere when a wagon started to form on me despite having expressed no signs of a scumread earlier
That's opportunistic

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

You did. You implied that because UTL has read you incorrectly in the past, it means that she is reading you incorrectly now.

???

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

why

I also talked about this a few posts later.

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

how is it deathtunneling on d2? when really I have missed their presence.

Most of her posts have been about me, thus death tunnel.

Just to make it clear here though, I think I was wrong about most of the things Mollie has quoted here.

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

If I told why you're wrong you'd still call it discrediting
I could go through your case but I feel like it will have next to no impact on how you read me

okay well

I

want to hear it and I am sure I am not the only 1!

I answered this like three posts later

VOTE: dgb

this combined with the above post soyeah we are lynching cake boy

give me a minute to fully ketchup

A completely unexplained scumread out of nowhere now
Why does that post make you want to lynch me so badly now when you were unsure earlier?

Hi all, will catch up on game later.

Can tell you all that DGB is town so you don't need to worry about her.

No hope about it Farside, she is town.

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

Oh I was checking out other ISOs and saw this
I buy it

then
VOTE: mollie

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

She called Hebi town in 804 then never mentioned her again though
It's irrelevant since there's apparently a clear on her anyway

AHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHA...AH.

VOTE: sir cakez

See above comment

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

It's hard to only really work off one game as meta, but this really doesn't come across as town Mollie to me.

I really feel like kuroi knows he is fucked rn

And this makes no sense at all
How does Kuroi saying he thinks this isn't town Mollie = he's feeling like he's fucked?

So yeah, sorry if that was a mess (did it all from mobile) but Mollie hasn't backed up her scumread on me at all, and along with the terrible Wisdom tunnel, definitely feels like she's scum.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

I am so divided on this post, and like.....I don't know.
I can see scum and town in this one.

~Fire

[Radja]

Day 2, VC 5

CatDog (3)

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farside22, KuroiXHF, MagnaofIllusion

SirCakez (3)

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CatDog, Xkfyu, pirate mollie

BlueBloodedToffee (3)

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Basic, Ankamius, Young and Witless

PeregrineV (2)

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Maxous, My Other Head Is Scum

Xkfyu (2)

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Wisdom, SirCakez

Not Voting (4)

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BlueBloodedToffee, DrippingGoofball, PeregrineV, MariaR

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on September 5th at 10:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-09-05 22:00:00).

Mod Notes - None

[Wisdom]

I don't like mollie.

Also the top 3 wagons are bad.

[Wisdom]

{Xkfyu, mollie, Peregrine, Maria}

[My Other Head Is Scum]

{Xkfyu, mollie, Peregrine, Maria}

Ill go on any of these except Maria, cause I have no read on Maria.
Who even did they replace?

Prefer Mollie or PeregrineV.

Actually, lets go with mollie.
VOTE: Pirate Mollie

I have no clue what vedith thinks of mollie, probably should ask him.
Meh, the scum head doesn't get input on this!

~Fire, towniest head of all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What's wrong with SC wagon wisdom?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Personally (kind of answering for wisdom). I have no strong read on sircakez, but he was a counter wagon to Hebichan, which was a scum lynch. So its possible or even more likely that makes him more likely town.

But, meh. Thats kind of bad reasoning, possible both scum, but not lynching Cakez at all today because of that.

~Fire

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, I felt good yesterday that we had two scum wagons as leading wagons.

IMO, the only real cw to Hebi was YAW.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

HUSH YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think you are town. your thought progression matched my own and it wasn't just me; it was secured with your interface with
magna and xk.

town reads in a snap, gutwise, not even looking at the game globally or trying to look deeper into whatever I made notes of are:

magna
wis
xfkyu (welcome back to my town pile. I can explain how I came to this conclusion if you want)
far
bbt
dgb
catdog (fistbumping far and I wanna see more plz)

Like this was a terrible post by mollie too.

~Fire