Hearthstone- Heroes of Warcraft (Enter Your ID!)

[PJ.]

Audiotsunami#1173
Anyone have any friendly noob advice?

[PJ.]

Cool, I leveled priest up to 10 and got to rank 20 at the same time. I'm cool with this. So what card do I get monday? Do I have to be Above 20 or at 20?

[PJ.]

oh, who the fuck cares.
I thought i was gonna get a shiny tazdango or something.

[PJ.]

Yeah I'm still leveling all my classes. I don't understand how rogue works. I have hunter and priest leveled. Working on paladin and mage when I get home probably.

[PJ.]

Played arena all day yesterday because I went 1 day infinite. Got enough gold to go back in today, hopefully I can do it again. Someone tell me how to not make a druid deck that gets overrun by mid sized creatures before i drop trees.

[PJ.]

Nah I only care about trying to go infinite in arena, that's it. I've been playing like 3 days and I can consistently get 4-5 wins. I can probably get to mid levels with my *mostly* free priest deck.

I had a straight up 0 win arena as a druid and it ruined my almost infiniteness yesterday.

[PJ.]

That seems to be in line with HotS content prices honestly.

[PJ.]

I just ripped a foe reaper 5000, should I disenchant?

[PJ.]

I have Dr Boom by some stroke of luck.

[PJ.]

Bgh? I actually don't know what I'd turn it into just that foe reaper doesn't do me many davors

[PJ.]

I play priest mostly. I don't really need BGH.

[PJ.]

Is Shaman really that bad? Isn't Mech Shaman and Midrange Shaman both solid?

[PJ.]

Does GvG only give you GvG cards?

[PJ.]

Oh..um. I quit then.

[PJ.]

When I was googling around to see if gvg only gave gvg, I found I lot of threads crying about wanting arena to have a pick a pack function, but they've been wanting that for like 7 months so I doubt it's coming. Makes being a new player not easy because constructed without cards is no fun and arena which is super fun only gives shitty cards.

[PJ.]

is nozdurmu safe to disenchant?

[PJ.]

Depending on when you last checked their value they could either be worth a lot more or a lot less. Extended isn't even a format anymore.

Dude, I found out Horizon canopy's were going for like 30 dollars and like freaked out cause I have like 10 of them.

[PJ.]

So first time around, they made neferian OP, and now the other guy is OP?

[PJ.]

I know I'm that only guy still getting hype about original set cards, but I pulled an Ice Block from my brawl pack and I'm hype. Only need 1 more ice block before crafting the rest of that deck is semi viable.

[PJ.]

I have 3600+ dust and no direction of what to do. Which purples and oranges should I be looking for. I already have Boom and a BGM. I feel like I'm at the point where I need to pick a class/deck arch type and focus on that but i'm not sure how long it's gonna take me to expand into another class if I go ham and fill out one class with their major cards.

[PJ.]

Are Fel reavers worth crafting?

[PJ.]

I feel the game is designed to be non-interactive...

So if i'm commiting to rogue by build fel reavers, would it be better just to grab force and ancient of lore?

[PJ.]

Right, it's a deck building game, but it kind of defeats the purpose when everyone runs basically the same 5ish decks based on whatever x site says is worth playing.

[PJ.]

Every deck building trading card game does this. Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic the Gathering aren't exceptions and both have archetypes and specific decks that rotatate as Tier 1 decks most top level players either copy or imitate. Nobody will build a shitter deck with magma ragers or shitty basics and commons, people will build good decks. If that means people copy top level decks from sites then so be it, but people like me will always tweak them to preference if needed. If u can't accept that people will use what is objectively considered good and consistent, or think that is boring, maybe you shouldn't be playing a tcg.

There's a difference between MTG and heartstone in that MTG has interaction between decks, where as hearthstone is literally just about putting a deck together that takes 30 life from the opponent faster. The entire point of HS seems to be curving out and punching face.

As Broseidon said, just the interaction of declaring blockers makes two aggro decks far more interactive in MtG than in HS. It's not incredibly interactive by MtG standards but it's definitely something, to where even if you're just straight running Gobbos you need to take into consideration something other than your opponents life counter+taunt. Even taunt isn't incredibly interactive because they essentially just add life total to the opponent - Sledge Belcher basically says gain 7 health, the opponents take 3 damage to deal 5 damage it, take 1 damage to take the other 2. Even if you go to the MOST extreme side of no interaction in MtG, which would probably be something like Legacy Belcher(which also happens to be a deck I tremendously enjoy playing), you still have the bare minimum interaction of "hey, I'm comboing out, do you have a Force or nah". The other big thing(and MtG was getting away from it as I was getting away from MtG because it's unfun) is resource denial. There's no way to interfere with the opponents resources. Card in hand(deck) or Crystals(there is actually one exception I can think of off the bat, but the point mostly stands). I think there being spells that can target random cards in hand Hymm To Tourach style could be cool.

[PJ.]

You also don't have shit like counterspells to protect your wincon.

This too, even if you continually keep them off your board there's nothing stopping the other guy from just BGH'ing your wincon.

[PJ.]

I don't know what that is.

[PJ.]

Just started playing an aggro shaman deck. It's fucking dope.

[PJ.]

Uh.. I just got hit with 3 Cabal Shadow Priest in a non-arena game.

[PJ.]

Earth Shock
2 Lightning Bolt
2 rockbiter weapon
2 abusive sarge
2 Leper Gnome
2 Tunnel Trogg
2 ancesteral Knowledge
2 crackle
2 lava shock
2 juggler
2 totem golem
2 feral spirit
2 lava burst
2 argent horserider
wolf rider
2 doomhammer


Edit: nah I figured it out, chromaggus.

[PJ.]

I very dislike the new tavern brawl. Just got hammered by the neverending supply of Sunfury Protectors.

[PJ.]

Took me three tries to win the new brawl. Dr Balanced.

[PJ.]

Is it here already? What's the build?

[PJ.]

Is Kel'Thuzad actually played anywhere anymore?

Kel'Thazad is playable especially for people who don't have that many good end game cards but have naxx.

[PJ.]

Also, I definitely think aggro shaman is strong, but right now I feel like I'm having much more success with tempo mage. Maybe because it has a good matchup against shaman. It also has a neutral or better matchups against most of the field. I haven't had trouble beating priest but apparently it's weak there. Also weak against Demon zoo and Freeze mage, but I don't see those ever. I only see handlocks, mech mage, and old style/budget zoo.

Honestly though, I'm not sure I am a big fan of the Ethereal Conjurer.

[PJ.]

IDK man, I only played the matchup once and won easily. On tempostorm, that's what they say is supposed to happen, so I just took it as truth.

What is this midrange rogue deck with unearthed raptor and where did it come from?

pEdit: yeah, most of the shaman lists have finley in there now.

Edit: I finally beat Dragon priest with tempo mage. It took a very lucky very fast hand. 2 fireballs, 2 sorc apprentices, 2 arcane missles, 5 mana discover guy and mana wyrm. And I think I had a frostbolt in there. He also missed his 2 drop taunt man and played it on 3 - which seems to be the leading cause of any dragon priest loss, either he doesn't drop on 2 or you don't have another dragon in hand. I kinda wish I could play it, but I basically have none of it. Only the expansion pack stuff and Azure Drake.

[PJ.]

I personally think 2 doomhammer is mandatory. That thing wins games. There's games where it becomes a 6 mana pyroclasm.

[PJ.]

But you basically need to draw 1, and you're probably not drawing over half your deck anyway.

[PJ.]

I'm rank 13 or so, and yeah I don't NEED doomhammers to win, but anytime I draw one I almost certainly do unless I'm in such a bad spot where it doesn't matter. And I've definitely won more games because of doomhammer than I have lost because I drew 2 of it. I honestly think I've only drawn 2 of them twice. Once I lost but the second doomhammer wasn't all of the problem(I mulliganned into the entire top of my curve), and once I was so far ahead it didn't matter.

[PJ.]

No, because if you're going mech, you are probably doing it because of Powermace. I would cut fel reaver though. But I really really hate fel reaver. I feel the drawback is just way too much. Everytime I've played against it, it's never hit me and the guy lost a bunch of cards.

[PJ.]

Doomhammer is just a really good card man.

[PJ.]

I've only ever played one in my shaman builds. drawing a second is pretty bad since you wont be able to play it for like 3 turns.

The time I drew 2 was surprisingly not terrible. I think the card is just so bonkers good that having it be dead in your hand for a few turns isn't the end of the world.

I won a game last night literally from only Doomhammer beats and a couple spells I think. 2 Doomhammers, I think rockbiter weapon at some point. I just never really drew into a my dudes. And the ones I did draw into got exploded.

[PJ.]

I just started playing patron. It's a weird deck. It doesn't really feel strong to me.

[PJ.]

I had never played it before, and had only really seen it in action once or twice. I lost my first game, won my second game. Neither one had patron get online or even come close(the win was just straight mid range beatdown with death bite into grommash burst but it was against a janky rogue golden monkey deck so didn't feel good). Was just about to post that I wasn't really sure if it was me or if the deck was just really not great anymore and was overrated based on it used to being great. I played 1 more against mid range druid. Ended up with a full board of grim patrons and denied him any board at all. So, uh... everyone get in here, men.

[PJ.]

Shaman does seem like the most Magic-y deck at the moment.

I played Oil for a while, I seriously never got it. I didn't play a version with Van Cleef or Thalnos in it though, so maybe that's why it was bad? IDK. I eventually just gave up on it.

3-1 with patron now(with patron triggering two games in a row). Doesn't really seem that hard, maybe level of difficulty changed(or I'm just doing normal rank 11 things). I just kinda play it like a normal mid range deck.

[PJ.]

Yeah, I'm just bad and don't understand Oil. I can leave with that.

In other news, 4-1 with new patron. PILE ON

[PJ.]

rope?

[PJ.]

I'm 6-4 now, I don't think it's hard to play, it just sometimes rolls over on itself. Which really sucks.

[PJ.]

fair enough

Edit: just crafted sylvanas. Don't really have any plan for her yet, but i'm sure I'll put her in something one day.

[PJ.]

I don't have druid, I need the epics. I do have 1600 or so dust left after crafting grommash and sylvanas today. I don't have tirion for midrange pally

[PJ.]

Dude, I haven't seen a tunnel trogg in like 7 games

[PJ.]

fuck this faggot fucking bullshit game. I see two leper gnomes every fucking game. my deck can't even spell tunnel trogg. I've had to check if they are even in the deck at this point No hammers, no troggs. Just bullshit leper gnomes and feral spirits every game. both copies. Someone has replaced all the good cards in my shaman deck with bad ones.

[PJ.]

Dr. 7 is still the worst card ever.

At least Muster for Bullshit sucks vs Mage.

It's not great against warrior either.

[PJ.]

I just can't win man, lost all the way back down to 12. Just getting bad draw after bad draw on every deck and getting straight RNG'd by everything. Every lightning storm completely wipes me, my RNG cards always do 1 less damage than I need.

[PJ.]

Nah dude, it's just everything. Just got crackled for 6 to put the game away. If it was reversed it would have been a crackle for 4. But seriously where are the scripts on Crackle, implosion, and chosen juggler damage.

[PJ.]

all my crying is moot, I just got a pyroclasm out of a conjurer that won the game.

[PJ.]

all my crying is moot, I just got a pyroclasm out of a conjurer that won the game.

twice

[PJ.]

Isn't that just a janky version of Demon zoolock?

Also, how do I beat reno? burst from 17?

[PJ.]

Beneath the grounds definitely kills him, but can you still field a deck to be competitive with beneath the grounds in it?

Edit: Also if you want TRUE JANK. Brann Bronzebeard + Iron Juggernaut.

[PJ.]

You could try just playing control. Fatigue Warrior doesn't really care about Reno.

i'm priced out of warrior control.

[PJ.]

I have much better luck wih Paladin personally. Apparently Rogue is strong?

[PJ.]

conquest?

[PJ.]

conquest?

do you not play tournaments?

No, and I have never heard of this conquest mode. Where is it in the client? I'm also not sure how i would even go about joining a tournament.

[PJ.]

Piloted Shredder and are you deadset on rogue?

[PJ.]

I threw something together real fast that you may be able to put together

2 backstab
2 deadly poison
2 clockwork gnome
2 cogmaster
2 blade furry
2 eviscerate
2 annoy o tron
2 goblin auto barber
2 mechwarper
2 spider tank
2 tinkertown tech
2 oil
2 piloted shredder
2 clockwork knight
2 sprint

You might be able to replace a knight or a sprint with your fel reaver. But yeah idk. That seems not totally the worst deck ever. I'd put Dr Boom in it but Boom makes every deck better.

[PJ.]

He doesn't have Prep, wrench, or boom I'm sure. Also Assassin's Blade seems bad.

[PJ.]

Because he doesn't have anything else? I'd just run boom and some else good. Also I wouldn't run rogue mech. Like never ever ever. Cause I have the pieces to a mech mage,

[PJ.]

It either kills you in 6 turns or does nothing.

[PJ.]

Is hearthstone having issues right now? It keeps DCing me.

I'd play a tournament

[PJ.]

I picked up Mill Rogue. It worked in the first game. I don't have Thalnos but I replaced it with burgle and the RNG turned up an answer in the only game so that worked out.

[PJ.]

New patron warrior seems to have a lot of variety to it's playstyle. More than your average deck I think.

[PJ.]

Played 2 games. Got my 40 dust from tavern brawl, got all my dailies done, gg hearthstone.

[PJ.]

link?

[PJ.]

I just beat a renolock. Dealt 61 damage to do it. Patron Warrior.

[PJ.]

I disagree, man. I think it's really fun. It's a unique deck that supports a pile of different strategies based on what you see. A lot of decks play exactly the same, regardless of what you pull, you're just following the gameplan more or less optimally.

[PJ.]

Anytime I have ever been in casual, it has been against Wallet Warrior.

[PJ.]

God damn man, unstable portal is so fucking good. Like sometimes it becomes a Bluegill Murloc and whatever at least it replaced it self. But when it becomes a Confessor Paletress, it's ridiculous. Just played a turn 6 Confessor into inspire, spawning Brann Bronzebeard, into a turn 7 Dr Boom for 4 Boombots for the old 11/11 for 7. Happy Feast of Winterveil!

[PJ.]

I'm just using raptor rogue...

[PJ.]

I only watched like the first turn. Looked Patron. Turned it off.

[PJ.]

Wait, bloodknight can eat the opponents divine shield too?

[PJ.]

I basically only see paladin with a pile of murloc knights.

[PJ.]

Why would they nerf Tunnel Trogg if Mana Wyrm exist? Mana Wyrm is better IMO.

[PJ.]

Just piloted the worst deck ever to

5

6 wins. Way to be Paladin.

[PJ.]

I wish I could draw an Epic in an Arena pool.

[PJ.]

Just pulled a Gorehowl from my Brawl Pack. Yeehah!

[PJ.]

i went shaman, ran out a bunch of battlecry guys that spawn extra dudes, brann, 1 bloodlust and 1 everyfin is awesome. doomhammer and rockbiter weapon. oh and defender.

[PJ.]

So, as a guy who prefers control decks, I've been having most success with this:


It's kind of annoying.

What's this do?

[PJ.]

What can you use instead of Fel Reaver. Cause I hate Fel Reaver.

[PJ.]

Because I feel the draw back is way too large. The drawback basically reads "lose the game unless fel reavers wins it" and I just feel it doesn't win the game enough.

[PJ.]

well, everyone loses boom. So what fills that void? Do curves even go to 7 after that?

Also Hunter without mad scientist could be not so good.

Is there a chance WotC sues the pants of Blizzard for calling the new format standard? Is that a possibility?

[PJ.]

re:last one, not a chance in hell.

Just nothing to sue?

[PJ.]

Used Agar's deck. Took 3 tries. Barely lost a race in the first one. Got blown out by a similar but better priest. Lost to weird tempo mage. Then I went up against another weird priest. Turn 4 lightspawn into turn 5 20/20 lightspawn is a hell of a lot of fun.

[PJ.]

I played weird cheap ass demon zoo like Bulge suggested. I won. Even with 2 magma ragers. in my deck.

[PJ.]

Whoa...I just almost got burnt out from 14 by a priest..And that's not counting the mind blast for 10 previously.

[PJ.]

Where did the cabal mind priest come from?

Why do people play tavern brawl more than they need to? All of them are kinda stupid.

Just played a Egg Druid for the first time and smoked some weird hunter deck.

IDk i'm seeing a lot of bad decks at my rank today.

[PJ.]

Majordomo?

[PJ.]

Wait Lava Shock unlocks your crystals for next turn too?

[PJ.]

X-Pac is making an announcement about hearthstone next friday?

[PJ.]

I'm really really gonna miss Lotheb when he's gone.

It's weird but I almost never see a lotheb against me, but he's in every deck I play.

[PJ.]

Battle.net haviong issues with AVG apparently, so I am retired from hearthstone.

[PJ.]

Wait, whewre is the azure drake change?

[PJ.]

with reno being so pervasive, I think aggro is fine? Idk I'm not great but It just feels the aggro nerfs are not great. And I think Face is good to have in the meta because they are mega cheap for new players. Midrange and control cost 7k+ dust, but those face decks cost less than 3k. Face cost 1k or less. Idk i just feel they are pricing out new players by nerfing good fast cards like juggler and leper gnome

I've never seen master of disguise in anything so idk why they touched it.

[PJ.]

Rogue already kinda sucked. Hitting the best card so hard is really a kick in the dick.

[PJ.]

I threw together concede mage...i hate it.

[PJ.]

Kibler's latest upload makes you realize that:

1) Freeze Mage should have gotten a nerf because it's dumb.
2) Thaurissan was a terrible card to make.

where is this list?

[PJ.]

In my second set of challenge packs, I got N'zoth. I opened a call of the wild too.

[PJ.]

BOG CREEPER IS KING

[PJ.]

Opened a Fandrel Staghelm.
Is he used in anything or no?

You can make a dope ass token deck with it. some streamer was playing it the other night. He won a couple legend games with it, and he had even forgotten to put in savage roar. So you can tune a token deck.

[PJ.]

Ugh I don't know what to replace Crackle with in Red Deck Wins Shaman. I have Wolfrider for now :/

I think I replaced crackle with the 7/7 overload guy.

The aggro shaman i'm using right now is

2x Bolt
2x RB Weapon
2x Sergeant
1x Argent Squire
Finley
2x Trogg
Ancesterl knowledge
2x eternal sentinel
2x flame jiggler
2x flametongue totem
2 x totem golem
2x feral spirit
2x lava burst
2x argent horseman'
tuskarr totemic
2x flameweatherfacess
2x DOOMHAMMAH

[PJ.]

Also I just hit face and win with a 6/10 lorewalker cho. yeehah.

[PJ.]

Right now I'm playing that shaman deck, a beast/deathrattle hunter deck, and deathrattle rogue.

[PJ.]

but...forbidden healing...

[PJ.]

but...forbidden healing...

Meets more burn bitch!

o my post was directed at reck. Forbiddan healing is expensive and i don't have enough dust for them + rag + tyrion.

[PJ.]

Ugh I just need to win a game with druid. Someone play me and let me win.

play beaqst druid cause it's funny

also what is your gametag. I'm audiotsunami#1173

[PJ.]

Fandral is the thing i seem to most want to craft.

[PJ.]

Yeah I have the same issue with Rogue. Most of the elite deck list have EVC and Xaril. Don't have either of those.

[PJ.]

Had my first good arena showing in a while. I'm pretty excited

[PJ.]

mechwarper + metaltooth leaper

[PJ.]

Not nearly as fun or good i don't think

[PJ.]

You mean hunter?

[PJ.]

yeah, i actually beat mechwarper cheese with stonetuskboar + mark of ysaarj but it wasn't easy and he played poorly.

But only thing the mechwarper deck REALLY loses to is Bolster Dummy.

[PJ.]

Is there a hack that lets you change your deck/class halfway through the game? I just played against a guy who was a paladin and had imp gang and stuff then all the sudden he had paladin hero power and started casting a bunch of paladin cards out of nowhere.

[PJ.]

Hax!

[PJ.]

Standard is the worst.

[PJ.]

Bog Creeper is the best arena card in the game.

[PJ.]

When you cast the golden monkey, you learn a lot about hearthstone that you didn't know.

[PJ.]

So I killed a guy with gorehowl today

[PJ.]

Man....I highly reccommend speccing action dan. It is always a pleasure. Today was 5 slude belchers and a thressian against a pile of the rogue dupelicator and antique healbots.

[PJ.]

Dupe echo control mage against some weird rogue deck that created 1/1 dupes and thistle tea and gang up to create many healbots.

____
I played agains a deck very similar to buttons deck on my giant fuck you winning streak from 16 to 9. I'm playing big daddy hunter. Dropping the beast. It's great. I only can win with midrange hunter decks, I can never get past 10 with anything else.
____

Try to draft higher value cards and pick kinda to a curve. There are definitely strategy articles for arena if you google. Also play mage or paladin

[PJ.]

So at this point, should I be crafting class epics that will never rotate(like tyrion, antonidas, van cleef) and stuff like Rag/Alex that will always be useful universal epics

[PJ.]

Generally, you want to start by crafting useful neutral legendaries, since you can use them in multiple decks, so you'll get the most use out of them. So I'd start by getting Ragnaros,

Sylvanas

,

Leeroy

, Harrison,

Thalnos

, and maybe

Cairne

, since I think those are the best neutral legends right now, assuming you play Standard. If you're in Wild, maybe Alex and

Ysera

are also good? I don't know that much about Wild. After that, starting getting the legends for the specific classes you want to play; these'll increase the power you get in those decks, but there's less likely to be useful in other decks, so they're less of a priority- VanCleef,

Grom

, and Tirion are probably the best class legendaries, since they're played in basically every deck of those classes. Antonidas is good, but you can make good Mage decks without him; it's a lot harder to make a good Paladin deck without Tirion.

I have everything with a strike through it. I also have Justicar and Black Knight i think. And nzoth andtwin emp(what a mistake).

Also Boom for wild. Baron geddon too.

Also have velen, huhuran, and paletress.

So the advice is craft nothing from TGT, Craft Classic neutrals/class cards. Then any big name Old Gods?

[PJ.]

Rag -> Harrison -> Tirion ->Antonidas -> ???

[PJ.]

I have grom and velen.

[PJ.]

So the only neutral cards i need are Harrison, Rag, and Alex?

[PJ.]

I'm just playing Wallet Warrior. Really grinding these shithead shamans into the dirt.

[PJ.]

Can I access nax still? Or is it gone for everyone?

[PJ.]

@reckoned

I might need an extension on this, the work on my computer is taking longer than necessary and entering the deck list from my phone is a royal pain in the ass.

[PJ.]

Me v ep 10 minutes

[PJ.]

3-2 ep. His decks counter mine. Rough day.

[PJ.]

Nothing to be sorry about man. That's the game

[PJ.]

2505!

[PJ.]

Playing tempo mage is the single most frustrating experience in gaming.

[PJ.]

How can they fix priest?

[PJ.]

But it's been priest the whole time. Like, normally it'll be like..a mix of different classes taking turns as the worst. priest has just flat always been the worst.

[PJ.]

Ignore Sudo. He only plays shit that isn't fun.

[PJ.]

Can you recreate naxx cards if you dust them?

[PJ.]

But you had to have bought them originally, yeah?

[PJ.]

Menagerie Warden

I think copying a savage combatant is very good, yes

[PJ.]

Idk man. Aggro Shaman is still absolutely Savage with a nuts draw.

[PJ.]

Is there a deck list for that priest deck?

[PJ.]

Guy just took me down with the most nuts shaman draw. Trogg coin trogg pass. Bolt guy face for 4 pass, totem golem face for 6. I take out troggs. Walrus pops out attack power totem. I get the totems of the board. Doomhammer. He pulled out the 7/7 after that. Just not enough answers to stabilize against every broken card in the deck back to back.

[PJ.]

Shaman is rotating soon, so we'll be fine

[PJ.]

tgt goes out in 2 months or w/e is what i meant.

[PJ.]

doesn't trogg go too?

[PJ.]

So are you suggesting some thing like: big expansion in late winter, adventure in summer, and a mid size expansion is late fall, end of the year?

[PJ.]

Sounds great.

[PJ.]

Oh i smopked that deck last night. It did absolutely nothing while I mauled it.

Also, I'm glad i'm stuck doing this awful brawl

[PJ.]

I'm not sure i like the new meta. Everyone is using mad rng and it just feels bad man.

[PJ.]

Swashburglar, undercity hustler or w/e. I lost a game yesterday by the rogue getting a varian and Antonidas out of those opponent class cards. Reno guys have been putting in Prince meklesh or we the fuck his name is too. Mage are running babbling book, and the tome thing. And I'm sure some guys still run the 63 discover. Raven idol. And yeah old yoggy and Barnes obv.

[PJ.]

Oh..I just played beast druid. I don't see a reason to play something else

[PJ.]

Rhonin, sorry my mistake. They look the same

[PJ.]

What's the numbers mollie

[PJ.]

no...


your battle tag automatically gets numbers at the end. Mine is AudioTsunami#1173.

[PJ.]

If you want a less random game, don't play hearthstone. There is a lot of randomness in it even outside of very blatant cases like that, for instance, drawing your late game cards early, or only ever drawing early game cards, or etc.

I think there is a pretty big difference between the rng of the shuffler(which is a most card game problem) and the the entire format being based around RNG "wish"-like effects like the discover mechanic, tome/book, and huckster & co. That's before we get to the fact that 3 out of the 5 tier 1 decks are running Yogg Saron. The other 2 have been top tier since they were conceptualized each holding the title of best deck in the game for numerous weeks(and that's if you don't count tuskkar totem as an RNG card). Every deck in tier 2 has barnes or effect + random critter cards

[PJ.]

[quote="In post 3955The secrets are all fairly easy to play around and weak (there's a reason mage typically runs Ice Block or none at all)[/quote]

Yeah, that reason is mad scientist no longer exists. And they aren't really that easy to play around, outside of having to test for each scenario. Which requires intimate knowledge of every secret Mage has. And yes, the limited number of spells gives you idea what the guy has, but has you announced already, it's all answers/ways to get answers or like 5 bad spells.

[PJ.]

Yeah like Panzer this is basic game knowledge. You play league you play a game that requires 10x as much game knowledge. You walk up to that weird snake girl face first when she's level 6 you're gonna get wrecked. You just watch your lane and ignore where the hell that obnoxious cat man thing might be at 6 you're gonna get wrecked. You decide to trade with that creepy vampire so you both take damage you're gonna get wrecked. And like every friggin champion has a gimmick like that and they're up to what, like 135?

Here you have to remember what, Ice Block, Ice Barrier, Vaporize, Mirror Entity, Counterspell, Spellbinder and Effigy? So in order, here's your amazing things you have to remember: don't play any minion you can't deal with immediately, don't swing face with any minion you can't afford to lose, run out a test spell before you try your big spell, and if all that fails maybe go face instead of trading?

Like this honestly seems like pure salt, because its not very hard. You should know the general possibilities, if you slam down call of the wild into an unknown mage secret why are you angry that it gets counterspelled? That's all you. Honestly do people just play these games so they can get salty? Because it feels like you're working for things to be mad about. It's an anti tempo card in a tempo-based deck. The very best results from it are only as good as cards already in the mage's deck, the worst results are pretty trash (Dragon's Breath? Vaporize?). You lose temp to get cards that are probably anti-tempo. If you keep pressure on them the card is useless, so of course their deck is super fast or super grindy. Since mages can't be super grindy because they have no real ways of recovering life so get chipped to death eventually no matter what, they're super fast. So you know your win conditions, you know their win conditions, you know what you want your lines of play to be and how to put pressure on them. This seems supremely fair.

Now Yogg? That's genuine bullshit. Who the fuck knows what will happen.

I don't run test spells in my decks, or creatures I don't mind losing. What if he has two secrets? I play a guy, it gets copied then I have to debate how many cards I have to use to deal with it? Tome is real fucking tough man.

[PJ.]

100x yogg still more bullshit tho.

Well yeah. It just feels less bad because sometimes you don't lose because of it.

[PJ.]

I don't run test spells in my decks, or creatures I don't mind losing. What if he has two secrets? I play a guy, it gets copied then I have to debate how many cards I have to use to deal with it? Tome is real fucking tough man.

This is not true. At the point (turn 6 at the absolute earliest) a tome secret comes out you should have an idea of how you're going to win the game. You might have a spare Kindly Grandmother or Mire Keeper or something to throw in. Even the most archaic control warrior builds have armorsmiths and stuff (in fact why would control warrior attack face there? Waste of time). The fact they played the secret usually gives you a lot of information, what was worth blowing their tempo for the turn (after blowing tempo earlier) on a completely dead card that doesn't do anything unless you flick the switch?

Like... if your deck is so sensitive to removal that every single minion is utterly crucial and nothing spawns random tokens, every spell is utterly necessary and you don't have a random Living Roots or Lightning Bolt to toss to see what happens, and you can't afford to lose anything... maybe your deck just isn't very good man. Maybe your deck just isn't very good.

I'm not saying Tempo Mage is a bad deck at all. It's a midrange deck, that is to say a deck that focuses on running the most efficient cards at every slot with extremely strong tools. All midrangish decks just exist to horribly punish "brews" that aren't optimized, since throwing non-optimized shit into the meatgrinder that is a good midrange deck is utterly painful (see: Secret Paladin, Midrange Shaman, Midrange Hunter, etc.). These decks are very linear, that is to say there's not too many opportunities for outplays, nor are there too many ways to screw up. If you simply play on curve you'll achieve maybe 70-80% of what an expert player will, while with a non-linear deck with decision points you have more opportunity to screw up. Thus they tend to get favored by mediocre players, and players who are just ass tired of low level brews (seriously, I won't even play Cthun warrior below level 10, there's so much random ass jank that can screw you hard).

All Tome is is the final nail in the coffin. At some point the midrange deck was going to leverage their superior cards and superior tempo plays into either overwhelming card advantage or just hold the board hard enough they can crush your face. At least tome is interactive and can be played around, unlike the old notification that Midrange was driving the nail into your coffin (Dr. 7)

I'd much rather play against dr 7. Very much actually. I'd rather play against 7 then yogg or tome. Or yogg AND Tome. Also tempo mage isn't really a mid range deck. I get A LOT of early wins with it, but because of Yogg, I can beat basically anything that stabilizes at turns 7 8 9. I don't even run tome. The only thing I am ever like "oh man this is too much" is Cthun warrior.

[PJ.]

Yeah tempo mage is basically aggro control, first of its name. Just like Faeries back in lorwynn standard for MTG. Faeries was also bullshit

[PJ.]

"While we enjoy seeing players explore combo styles of play and will continue to support it in the future" -> Destroy every combo deck that becomes a tier 1 or 2 deck.

Also can't believe they are making it so Yogg can Overload people, saying it was a "bug". Very weird.

[PJ.]

The issue with combo in hearthstone is that you being unable to do things on your opponents turn ruins counter play for otk.

But hey, miracle still exists

Miracle not tier 1 or 2 and instead of saying "you like combo" just say "combo is not something we want in our game"

[PJ.]

Tempo deck.

[PJ.]

Also bash cost 3

[PJ.]

My guy quit when I wiped his board.

Last week's brawl was better I thought. Three cards or whatever

[PJ.]

Apparently priest is OP in wild!

[PJ.]

Freeze mage is stupid.

[PJ.]

looks like 1600 dust to me boss

[PJ.]

Piloted shredder

[PJ.]

Salt.

[PJ.]

Power level drop is dumb. Standard is dumb. All the fun cards are gone. RIP Shredder. Also "interesting draft choices" are overrated. Give me 3 shredders over "interesting decisions" any day of the fucking week. "Interesting Decisions" don't fill the win column. Shredders do.

[PJ.]

And I'm saying that I disagree with you on a fundamental level. Choices are not interesting or fun. Winning is fun. Shredder wins. Choices only make you lose. I'd rather have an optimal almost everytime pick up then a choice, every time. And it also makes the preparing easier, because you know you're gonna need an answer for shredder. I'd rather play good cards then get shoehorned into some shitty mechanic like Jade Statues(which is really a dumb mechanic and why I basically have quit) and get shortchanged.

[PJ.]

If you are good you should want interesting choices. It will mean you win more. Everyone knows piloted shredder is a great card. Everyone takes it. No room for an edge in drafting (obviously there are in other areas of the draft but this increases them)

Absolutely not. Interesting choices create variance. Because the reason it's a choice is because each card would have it's merit in a particular situation. Variance is the enemy.

[PJ.]

choices allow you to be wrong, the more chances there is to be wrong the better better players do because they will make the right play more often then their opponents

the more choices the more mistakes baddies make

youre completely wrong

This is only true if there is a unequivocally right and wrong choice. If the choices are trade offs, which is the goal, then it comes down to variance on which trade off is going to help you over the course of 10 games against moderately but not entirely predictable decks, which is dumb.

[PJ.]

I hate discover as a mechanic.

[PJ.]

I just played priest in tavern brawl and it's the random legendaries one. I had finja and murk-eye in my deck. I won turn 3

[PJ.]

I think I went 5-1 and got all my quests done. I won with some trash but also got some crazy shit. Emperor Thrassian, baron geddon, chillmaw, Ragnaros one game. The finja murk eye game. Old Shredder, barnes, prince malchirion or w/e, and the priest guy that makes 1/1s of your dudes. I think the game I lost I had lotheb but the hunter got spider ball off his first creature.

[PJ.]

yeah Hearthstone atm is just annoying RNG at every corner, not even the good RNG that doesn't really negatively impact the game, just all frustrating RNG that infuriates one person, and doesn't really mean much for the other person because it happens every game.

Yeah, i play very very rarely now. Discover would be a good mechanic if the card pools were bigger, but they just aren't. Primordial Glyph is probably just broken regardless.

[PJ.]

This brawl is somehow both degenerate and unfun

[PJ.]

I want to say both those strategies are clearly in the second tier though. Patches, jade idol, ice block, and mind blast are all just better.

[PJ.]

The shaman portal board wipe card is also p good esp if you get a spell damage totem and they don't kill it. Evolve also strongish.

[PJ.]

Ice block can beat patches as long as it's not a health gain class.

[PJ.]

Idk, this one just feels less fun than the 2 card combo one. 2 card combo one was great

[PJ.]

y'all crazy running arena right before the set comes out.

[PJ.]

I got the shaman freeze man and paladin death knight. Do I really need crystallize?

[PJ.]

Yeah i got hunter from prologue, and i got paladin and moorabi from packs

[PJ.]

At least last season, half of tier 1 in wild was reno-kazakus. So now if standard also has a kazakus deck, it's possibly a must craft.

[PJ.]

Apparently the standard Mets right now is "play druid, beat everything"

[PJ.]

It seems to beat jade. Which is frustrating

[PJ.]

Black knight

[PJ.]

Only way I know how to beat warrior requires a deck that's like 10k dust which isn't an issue if you played Control warrior but it also requires kael'thazad. So....

[PJ.]

Which also needs cards from the old adventures that can't be bought anymore.