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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:41 pm

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In post 1771, Spiffeh wrote:Ok you're right let's ignore all the plans that we've come up with and I guess we can pray that everyone's on the same page

because YOU want a flip
If you are so against a flip at this moment, you know you can unvote, right?
Like you have power to delay this out.

Are you just being purposefully air headed?
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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:41 pm

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I think some of whats fin me up is is hard to plan with secret neighbor land when it potentially screws it up.

Who are the awfuls that go into the dogpound with me. Is there anyone aside from the vendor that can be full lockdown
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:41 pm

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In post 1773, Spiffeh wrote:UNVOTE:
There we go.
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:42 pm

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Also FYI if we are not having me shoot McMenno tonight then I am strongly considering using my shot against another target. Haven't quite decided yet.
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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:44 pm

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Wait do we have confirmation on if scum can use abilities and the factional? That might make.this waaaay easier if they cant
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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:45 pm

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In post 1772, Wraith wrote:Some of us have been discussing. We're going to have drealmerz Redirect McMenno into the Rec Room with myself and MariaR (this presuming we are indeed lynching Goatmeal). This can't be blocked. We then have to decide whether one or both of us will shoot McMenno. If one shoots, that shot can feasibly be blocked by the scumteam 1-shot Roleblock. If both shoots, he's dead for sure. It just comes to mind that DT should be banned from the Rec Room tonight if we're doing this.
Right but everyone needs to acknowledge this is what we're doing so anyone that we can follow through on lynching someone if they don't comply.

And Maria and drealmerz have yet to fucking indicate that they've seen this so they need to actually read the thread and confirm that they're following this plan.
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:47 pm

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@Mod: can MacReady's ability stop the factional Roleblock?

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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:47 pm

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I am fine with the scum roleblock or commute being used to save McMenno because then our info roles get free reign and help narrow things down.
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:49 pm

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In post 1666, Toogeloo wrote:
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In post 1573, Toogeloo wrote:Unvote
Vote: Espeonage
It doesn't matter now though.

Unvote
Vote: Double Trouble


More support here, plus sheep my biggest town read.
Fixed this.
In post 1707, Andrius wrote:
Mod: For purposes of Room Capacity, do you round UP or DOWN? For example, if there are TWENTY living players, would the Room Capacity by 6 (down) or 7 (up)? Thank you.
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In post 1781, Generation X wrote:
@Mod: can MacReady's ability stop the factional Roleblock?

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In post 1513, Titus wrote:Tammy, fair enough. That's an advantage to playing as a hydra I suppose. I can still convey what she feels in a manner that's more sensible. I do feel that we all have bits of moonlogic in us but getting all the feelings to talk to each other and finding out why people feel that way is also important (although I am better with harder data... [like scum do X behavior more often than town, so X is more likely to be scum] etc). If you figure out
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GenX I have as town by frustration and by dynamics as well based on how the wagons have been going. It's far to early to call it my VCA but the wagon on GenX just doesn't feel like a protown motivated wagon (this means the wagon helps scum, not that those pushing it are for certain scum). Regardless of the flip, I intend to go over the analysis with Math and see what the flips tell us.

I've been slow posting due to IRL, but I am picking up a bit. Given your status as obvtown, playing your reads closer to the chest but commenting when players have direct questions might be better that way it stops the concern you had about this being the sheep Tammy show. (I think that was your earlier concern.)

UT, You've been asked for a read on Goatmeal repeatedly and a readslist by FA. Why are you ignoring this just to sling mud at me?
In post 1715, Titus wrote:I object to a McMenno vig. Dude is town. He's whiny only as scum.
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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:52 pm

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Here are two things that I give a fuck about during the night

1. No one other than the players assigned in Andrius' post should be going to the Laboratory so we can ensure that Tammy's neighborhood gets day talk.


2. DREALMERZ will be redirecting McMenno to the Rec Room. MARIAR will also be going there and using her new vig shot to shoot McMenno. If drealmerz or MariaR don't do this they will be lynched tomorrow.


The rest of you should follow whatever Andrius assigned you to do/go. If you have no assignment you do whatever the fuck you want I guess.
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:55 pm

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@mod: By the wording of the role PM, it says the target is jailed in a "private room." Does this affect the neighborhood Daytalk only taking effect if they're in the "same roo." the previous night? This question also applies to MacReady's Quarantine.
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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:56 pm

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In post 1780, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1772, Wraith wrote:Some of us have been discussing. We're going to have drealmerz Redirect McMenno into the Rec Room with myself and MariaR (this presuming we are indeed lynching Goatmeal). This can't be blocked. We then have to decide whether one or both of us will shoot McMenno. If one shoots, that shot can feasibly be blocked by the scumteam 1-shot Roleblock. If both shoots, he's dead for sure. It just comes to mind that DT should be banned from the Rec Room tonight if we're doing this.
Right but everyone needs to acknowledge this is what we're doing so anyone that we can follow through on lynching someone if they don't comply.

And Maria and drealmerz have yet to fucking indicate that they've seen this so they need to actually read the thread and confirm that they're following this plan.
Why would I be banned from the rec room? I want to talk with Maria.
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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:58 pm

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I'm going to choose McMenno for my target because I want to stop the factional Roleblock.
In order for this to work, NO ONE except the person we choose to vig McMenno may enter the Rec Room. I am considering entering myself to verify but I understand if people object, because people ARE scumreading us.

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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:58 pm

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In post 1785, Wraith wrote:
@mod: By the wording of the role PM, it says the target is jailed in a "private room." Does this affect the neighborhood Daytalk only taking effect if they're in the "same roo." the previous night? This question also applies to MacReady's Quarantine.
@mod: Missed this question
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The quarantined/jailkept player still gets to go to a room (the "taken to a private room" is flavor). So no, it wouldn't affect neighborhood daytalk, assuming the player being targeted was part of the neighborhood.
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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:59 pm

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@Double Trouble

Talk to her in the thread

Don't go to the Rec Room

Your ability could stop her vig on McMenno if you go there and if the kill fails and you were in the Rec Room I will assume that's what happened.
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:00 pm

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Actually I'm entering because as town I KNOW I have no ability to fuck up the shot.
Rec Room: McMenno, Me, Goatmeal/Maria or Wraith
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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:02 pm

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Votecount 1.6
Now I'll show you what I already know.

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Goatmeal (6) - Andrius, MariaR, Double Trouble, Wraith, Fire Assassin, Fire Assassin
Double Trouble (4) - SpyreX, Untrod Tripod, MagnaOfIllusion, Toogeloo
Skybird (2) - PeregrineV, Goatmeal
Generation X (2) - Errantparabola, drealmerz7
drealmerz7 (1) - Espeonage
Toogeloo (1) - Generation X

Not voting (6) - Tammy, Skybird, Yume, Creature, McMenno, Spiffeh

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:02 pm

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Yume didn't pick up her prod and will be replaced.
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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:03 pm

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Fire Assassin can you explain why you are certain that Double Trouble is town?
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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:07 pm

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In post 1793, Spiffeh wrote:Fire Assassin can you explain why you are certain that Double Trouble is town?
It can be summed as MathBlade town annoys the hell out of me and makes me want to rip my hair out.
MathBlade scum is not as annoying and tries to work with players and is reasonable.

One of maths first few posts in the game triggered my rage.
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:08 pm

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In post 686, Double Trouble wrote:Because you were scummy in the prior games. E.g. Mass claim early and you are scummy here in asking Skybird to change how they post. Instead of pressuring them to see if they are scum you ask them not to post scummily if they are town.

You and I have different play styles and town can play scummy without being scum.

We disagree on playstyle. I also replaced into a game where you were scum and read it rather thoroughly. You just happened to be dead when I replaced in. To say I do not have experience with your scum game is a lie. I think this one is your town game.

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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:13 pm

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In post 1792, SirCakez wrote:
Yume didn't pick up her prod and will be replaced.
What else is new, can Yume be site-banned?

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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:13 pm

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In post 1796, Goatmeal wrote:
In post 1792, SirCakez wrote:
Yume didn't pick up her prod and will be replaced.
What else is new, can Yume be site-banned?

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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:14 pm

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Okay, did a quick breakdown of things in my notes.

Spoiler: Outline Again, Simplified
1. drealmerz Redirects McMenno to Rec Room
2. GenX Quarantines ???
3. Spiffeh decides on Commute
4. SpyRex picks his Roleblock targets
5. drealmerz DOES NOT Bus Drive
6. MoI Sabotages drealmerz
7. Andrius Jailkeeps Tammy
8. Creature Locks Down Laboratory
9. Toogeloo Protects ???
10. DT decides on Vest Transfer
11. MariaR and/or Wraith shoot McMenno
12. Scum Nightkill
13. Skybird Vends to ???
14. Errant Watches the Laboratory
15. Espy Tracks target of his choice


Spoiler: Currently-Assigned Rooms
Rec Room (Kill Room): McMenno, MariaR, Wraith
Laboratory (Neighborhood): Tammy, Andrius, Espeonage
Infirmary (Safe Room): Toogeloo, Errant
Kennels: SpyRex, Skybird, UT

Kitchen: OPEN
Living Quarters: OPEN
Radio Room: OPEN


Spoiler: Unassigned Players
FA (Vote Roleblocker)
GenX (Quarantiner)
Creature (Lockdowner)
Yume (Modposter)
MoI (Saboteur)
Drealmerz (Bus Driver/Redirector)
DT (Transferrable Bulletproof)
Spiffeh (Commuter)
PeregrineV (Room Blocker)


Notes/Musings:

1. If DT goes to the Rec Room and is scum with McMenno, they can potentially transfer their vest to him and prevent the Vig kill. Thus, DT is BANNED from the Rec Room.
2. IIRC the Sabotage won't block the Redirect since Redirect resolves in Room Phase. Therefore, MoI and drealmerz should room together (with a third Unassigned player) in a separate room so MoI can see drealmerz's night action and triple-confirm that drealmerz did not Bus Drive.
3. GenX, if scum, could potentially disrupt the Vig kills by Quarantining either Vig. That would be an instant death sentence the next day, but I want to minimize risks. We should consider sending him to the Laboratory and have him Quarantine someone there.
4. PeregrineV is a massive wild card in this whole thing. I suggest we ensure he doesn't screw with the Rec Room by making him block an empty room and sending three Unassigned Players (potentially the MoI/drealmerz/??? trio?) to that room with identical room priority lists. That way they can confirm Peregrine blocked the correct room if they all get bumped to the room second on their lists.
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:16 pm

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I was going to highlight Skybird's posts that are blatant buddying, but then I realized I would have to quote everything.

I think the reason why Skybird isn't being vigorously wagoned with now is that with many townies on the chopping block, the scum doesn't have to bus.

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