Read his ISO and look at it with knowledge gained from the NKs and Lynches, compare to what implosion said. I actually would put forth some effort to explain more in depth on this, but Charter is down in my area with no ETA for resolution so I'm phone posting. It'll be tomorrow morning before I can (Yay work!).In post 2371, nn30 wrote:Snake hasn't said anything in ages. Whaddya mean by that?
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The connection of the second Ascetic being a role blocker:
1) I hate to admit it, but Zoronos is right about scum being way to confidant to go after Gamma without a means to negate his power.
2) If there were two roles capable of negating night actions, the mod would have to decide which gets priority; giving the scum rb an aesthetic modifier solves this issue.
3) With Shadow being an ascetic it makes more sense for him to be a role blocker because his modifier with allow him to bypass Zoronos's blocking ablities.
4) All things considered from a set up perspective, town and mafia having one ascetic makes more sense than town gettingtwo ascetics, while scumalso gets something to counter town protectives. Unless we have another 3+ town power, (lol), then this isn't an incredibility anti-town set up.
I won’t remove a strong man from the table, but given that Shadow is arguing that instead of a role blocker is giving me bad vibes. Especially now that I have had this realization regarding Shadow.
I guess I should address the elephant in the room first. The reason why everybody has a mutual town read on Shadow: his counter claim. Heck, even I thought it was a pretty town motivated thing to do, cc another unlikely role in the only makes sense. The thing is though that I have witnessed enough games to recognizing risky D1 scum gambits. They go hard and long D1, until everybody is convinced that there is no way the slot could be scum. Then once cleared by the other players they lurk until the late game. Compare this to shadow’s activity this game. 166 posts D1. 35 posts D2. 15 posts so far today. He becomes significantly less aggressive with his pushes going into the second day, and many of his opinions are not memorable. As in looking over his iso, I’m seeing things I never really noticed before.
Some things I noticed going through his isolated posts:
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Seeing how the most town thing I had to say about Shadow going into today was his behavior D1 tells me that he has been keeping a low profile since Eager flipped. Also nobody pointing out some of these things means that everybody has written off Shadow as town. Which imo is a big mistake that I too was a part of yesterday. The entire purpose of a powerful D1 scum gambit is to rack up enough town cred to slide into the endgame. This is exactly what Shadow is doing.
You know, I had originally thought that Shadow step was an investigative role given his jump on Gamma at the start of D2 along the lines of “Oh yeah, this is scum btw”. I thought that he was softing a guilty, the same way he did at the start of D1 where he remarked how easy the game will be after Eager’s claim. There was also how much attention Shadow gives Maria D1, and her general feelings were that Gamma wasn’t Ob!town like she was expecting him to be. More reasoning I had down in my notes is that two regular townies modified with straight aesthetics modifiers and nothing else, would be really anti town. So I thought that Shadow should be a cop or some such.-
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Grendel's case is amusing.
I didn't push LUV after a certain amount of time because of how confident I was about eager flipping scum. The way LUV reacted to it and I've already mentioned this I believe that if he was eager's buddy he would buss the fuck out of him for towncred.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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@Grendel
If you hit the "PM" button at the lower left of a post, whether or not the thread is locked, it will generate a draft with post quoted (it will be a PM draft, but you can copy/paste that into a post in the correct thread, and I usually clean up the quote tag as well so that it looks good).In post 2372, Grendel wrote:lol idk how to properly quote from a locked thread.
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Okay guys, I'm strapped for time again, again. I'll be brief and hopefully I can follow-up Friday and Sunday with more detail.
Implosion, as usual, you seem to be arguing semantics and personality in lieu of actual scum-hunting.
Prism, I'm going to need you to reread my post. I said your argument was crap because it's based on the assumption that I have the intelligence and subtlety of an Easter ham, which, frankly, anyone would find a bit insulting. Either way, it's time to move onto crazy tunnel #4. Maaaaybe PP?
Shadow, your batting average has been pretty sad this game. Make #1838 great again. Vote PP.
Grendel, I was trying to be helpful because you looked like you were veering yourself toward danger. Since private messages aren't an option for us, I said it in thread. You're welcome. If I was fishing for a mod kill, I would have just PM'd the mod, and rubbed my hands together muttering "gooood, gooood", wouldn't I?
Dierfire, why does basically everyone have you as null? It's mighty shady at this point in the game.
nn30, vote PP.
Zoronos, get back here so you can talk some sense into these ninnies.
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It's nice how Grendel wants to lynch me out of setup spec when he himself condemns me for it.
If I was maf RB I wouldn't kill GE I could just keep blocking him and kitll Zoro.
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I will look at it when I'm on PC.In post 2383, Dierfire wrote:@Shadow_step
Are you done looking at Prism and Lil Uzi Vert? Did you look at my reasons for reading Prism as Town (2277)?ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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I fail to see how literally anything that I said in 2334 has anything to do with either semantics or personality. At all. Almost all of the points there weren't even about your play. You continue the trend of responding to my points by sidestepping them, in this case just completely mischaracterizing them. Unless you're referring to me criticizing you for describing your play as hard bussing, in which case your response here:boring wrote:Implosion, as usual, you seem to be arguing semantics and personality in lieu of actual scum-hunting.
is yet again an utter sidestep to the point I'm making. You started suspecting him. YouIn post 2341, boring wrote:
I started suspecting him middle/end of day 1, and posted as much especially toward the end of the day. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the end of a day isn't called a different day. You may have also noticed that I was V/LA half of day 1, and a leading wagon, so there was a bit of distractiin flying around.In post 2339, implosion wrote:Oh man, I didn't even see that boring described her own play as "hard bussing from day one." I'd love to hear a justification of how listing him as your fourth-strongest scumread, saying you'd be willing to settle for lynching him if you couldn't lynch eager, and then justifying that read further when asked about it amounts to "hard bussing" because I can't see anything else on d1 that you said about him.neverpushed him on d1. You only cited him as a backup if you couldn't get your preferred lynch on eager. And yet now you're trying to call yourself obvtown because you would have had to have "hard-bussed d1" which you wouldn't do. Which is a load of bs. You didn't hard bus. You didn't even bus. You plainly distanced from him and then bussed him when he became the obvious direction to bus in on d2 after his terrible end-of-day that would leave almost anyone suspicious of him.
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The problem with this is that I just very simply don't think scum-shadow would think to randomly counterclaim the immediate ascetic claim, and he immediately breadcrumbed. You are right that his play is worthy of a bit more thought in light of the possibility that he's a scum ascetic but I do not think there's any chance that he's scum unless he counterclaimed because he thought it was what he'd do as a town ascetic. Which is possible. But I think the rest of his play is town-indicative still. It's worth some consideration at massclaim time.In post 2378, Grendel wrote:The thing is though that I have witnessed enough games to recognizing risky D1 scum gambits.-
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Ha ha, I agree; I find it a bit strange that so many players don't have a read on me. Or did you mean that you're suspiciousIn post 2384, boring wrote:Dierfire, why does basically everyone have you as null? It's mighty shady at this point in the game.of mebecause other players are reading me as Null? I'm not so skilled that I can control how other players read me.-
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I'm like the rest, and find you null. It's unnerving.In post 2389, Dierfire wrote:@boring
Ha ha, I agree; I find it a bit strange that so many players don't have a read on me. Or did you mean that you're suspiciousIn post 2384, boring wrote:Dierfire, why does basically everyone have you as null? It's mighty shady at this point in the game.of mebecause other players are reading me as Null? I'm not so skilled that I can control how other players read me.-
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I need to quote properly for that, I'm not dodging questions. I'll do it when I'm on PC.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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How can I help? Do you have questions that I can answer that would help you read me? Do any of my thoughts require clarification?In post 2390, boring wrote:I'm like the rest, and find you null. It's unnerving.-
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More semantics. Look, at the end of Day 1, I don't remember who asked me, but I posted (and I'm summarizing, professor) that regardless of the outcome between eager and shadow, LUV was scum. He was largely ignored at that point in the game, and it was before he out-of-the-blue hammered eager. Your premise just doesn't hold water.In post 2387, implosion wrote:
I fail to see how literally anything that I said in 2334 has anything to do with either semantics or personality. At all. Almost all of the points there weren't even about your play. You continue the trend of responding to my points by sidestepping them, in this case just completely mischaracterizing them. Unless you're referring to me criticizing you for describing your play as hard bussing, in which case your response here:boring wrote:Implosion, as usual, you seem to be arguing semantics and personality in lieu of actual scum-hunting.
is yet again an utter sidestep to the point I'm making. You started suspecting him. YouIn post 2341, boring wrote:
I started suspecting him middle/end of day 1, and posted as much especially toward the end of the day. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the end of a day isn't called a different day. You may have also noticed that I was V/LA half of day 1, and a leading wagon, so there was a bit of distractiin flying around.In post 2339, implosion wrote:Oh man, I didn't even see that boring described her own play as "hard bussing from day one." I'd love to hear a justification of how listing him as your fourth-strongest scumread, saying you'd be willing to settle for lynching him if you couldn't lynch eager, and then justifying that read further when asked about it amounts to "hard bussing" because I can't see anything else on d1 that you said about him.neverpushed him on d1. You only cited him as a backup if you couldn't get your preferred lynch on eager. And yet now you're trying to call yourself obvtown because you would have had to have "hard-bussed d1" which you wouldn't do. Which is a load of bs. You didn't hard bus. You didn't even bus. You plainly distanced from him and then bussed him when he became the obvious direction to bus in on d2 after his terrible end-of-day that would leave almost anyone suspicious of him.
That's not just a semantic difference. That is you saying you did things that you just very blatantly did not do and claiming that you are town for doing those things that you did not do. That's ridiculously scummy.
Obviously, that was super scummy. (I don't get why everyone else needed so much damned convincing), and I didn't see much reason to move on from him unless there was no chance that day to lynch him (I don't see the point in ending a day on a vanity wagon, no matter how right you are, unless you're dead set against town's choice).
Now, I realize that you can argue words till we're both old and wrinkled, but I pushed LUV's wagon as hard as I've ever pushed a wagon. That's what hard means to me. I'm sorry it's not the right wording for you, but didn't I promise you more disappointing wording? I'd hate to disappoint you ineveryfacet of our brief relationship...-
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I'll get back with you on that, if I can. As far as I can tell, your posts have been perfectly neutral. Clean, is the word that comes to mind (not entirely sure why).In post 2393, Dierfire wrote:@boring
How can I help? Do you have questions that I can answer that would help you read me? Do any of my thoughts require clarification?In post 2390, boring wrote:I'm like the rest, and find you null. It's unnerving.-
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I caught up, and but am about to start drinking and playing board games.In post 2384, boring wrote:Zoronos, get back here so you can talk some sense into these ninnies.
This is the one week a year I get to be irresponsible!
What do you need from me?
I can maybe write good posts!
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Spoiler: Why I think PP and LUV are not buddies
Esp the part where PP keeps telling him to do something, I think if he was scum he'd just tell that to him in their QT.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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GrendelIn post 2354, nn30 wrote:2) Other than myself (since you're obviously already voting for me) who is scummiest among [Grendel, Dierfire, Zoronos]?ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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