Ttyll Mafia - Game Over!

[Ircher]

"At the top of the social ladder are the Defenders of Ttyll who defend the realm against threats and contribute a lot to Ttyll's government."

Day 1 VC #10

drealmerz7 (0) -
Vedith (0) -
BTD6_Maker (4) - Aeronaut, Mirhawk, Wisdom, Albert
Aeronaut (0) -
Wisdom (2) - Vaxkiller, Dreal
eagersnake (0) -
texcat (3) - White Queens, Vedith, Diamond
BulletNLynchproof (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Albert B. Rampage (1) - BTD6_Maker
Gale Wing Srock (0) -
PeregrineV (0) -
Frankjaeger (0) -
DiamondSentinel (4) - Gale, Frank, Eager, Bullet
Mirhawk (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
White Queens (0) -
Not Voting (3) - Texcat, Gamma, PeregrineV

Lynch Threshold

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 1 will end on November 23, 5:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-11-23 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

V/LAs should be bolded in-thread.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dreal : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Wisdom
Vedith : Frank --> White Queens --> Texcat
BTD6_Maker : Wisdom --> (Null) --> Albert
Aeronaut : BTD6_Maker
Wisdom : Diamond --> White Queens --> Diamond --> Albert --> BTD6_Maker
Eager : Diamond
Bullet : Diamond
Albert : Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Gale : Wisdom --> Diamond
Frank : Diamond
Diamond : Wisdom --> Texcat
Mirhawk: BTD6_Maker
Vaxkiller : Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom --> Texcat

Spoiler: Past Voting History

Dawn 1

BTD6_Maker : Vedith --> White Queens --> Vedith
Vedith : ThinkBig
Aeronaut : Albert
Copper : Dreal
Eager : Diamond
PeregrineV : Aeronaut --> (Null) --> BTD6_Maker
Vaxkiller : Vedith --> Diamond --> Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom

[texcat]

VOTE: BTD6

What I said in our PT was, "And I still disagree with the premise that one of us four must be scum. It could be true, who knows?"
It also might be that Vedith has some "special" information that there is scum in our neighborhood, but I have no reason to trust him on that.

[Wisdom]

texcat if someone is scum in your hood, who do you think it is?

[texcat]

I'm null on WhiteQueens and Vedith. We haven't seen enough of WQ to make much of a judgement. I'm not a fan of Vedith's posting style, repeatedly calling posts in our PT stupid, for example. But I'm trying to overcome my tendency to equate posting style with scumminess. So IDK, I'm keeping him in the null pile for now.
Drealmer seems to be trying hard to figure out the game, and I lean town on her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why is Vedith in two hoods? He's also in my hood.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is he talking to you guys?

[texcat]

He's talking at us.

[texcat]

All four of us are also in planet hoods. At least, that's what I think.

[Vaxkiller]

Did he bring up the idea that one of you are scum?

[Vaxkiller]

Is everyone there from a different planet? It kinda sounds like you guys are ambassadors of your planets. Not sure why our world didn't get one.

[texcat]

Yes. He did. In his first post over a week ago.

[Aeronaut]

and I don't like how BTD6 got half of the votes to a lynch overnight.

To be fair, so did Wisdom.

I actually hate this post. The first part just feels like fence sitting since Wis is also town reading drealmerz last I checked. The second part is just awful logic. Whether he's presenting it as AI is moot, because he's still here, presenting it.

I get ya, and I think made a subsequent post reversing the analysis (because I did math and it showed he gets mis-lynched as town more often than correct-lynched as scum, if I remember correctly.)

If you reversed it and I missed it, I apologize. I still didn't really like it at the time, though.

Those 2 townreads he gave (me and Vax I think) I read as "I think these are players easily influenced, if I give them a TR, maybe they'll back off."

Who, Wisdom?

Hey guys. Let's do this. Lynch me. You'll see I'm town, and then can finally lynch scum!Wisdom, and then I don't have to deal with stupidity anymore.

How's that sound?

This is actually probably NAI for DS, tbh. Maybe not. I don't know how I feel about this.

You should feel very queezy about this.

I feel queasy because it's bad play all-around, but not because it's indicative of any alignment. Especially if it's DS, mafiascum's resident sociopath

wisdom is still super scummy and the better lynch

DS seems more dedicated towards working together and being pro-town (though some scummy stuff there, but it's mostly reading as bait to me) - and if is scum it will reveal itself readily enough, wisdom is priority resolve (which is only okay when the player is scumread, don't vote them if you're not scumreading them), then we evaluate what that means in the light of DS.

I have to be honest and say I see potential for 2 scum-buddies going at it and putting on a show. Like two players who don't generally get along but drew scum together. Go back and look at their interaction, the town-reads and then the quick scum-reads and switch to contention.

It's been in my mind and it persists, even on a re-read.

To expand on what I said before, I really don't see this interaction that way. I guess you could make a case that both of their cases are kind of shit, and they're both kind of scummy for reasons exclusive of those cases, but I don't feel like the risk of being this noisy and fucking up their status in the game quite weighs to any reward to come of it, especially on like D1.

Except they're on the way to both being towncleared by most of you for it all. and I've 2nd guessed myself toooo many times on a wagon like Wisdom's (seriously, I don't know how many times a player that is being this way I've seen turn out scum - A LOT more often than as town because TOWN KNOWs IT IS NOT HELPFUL TO TOWN.)

I'm currently reading DS as scummier for it and Wisdom as null for it, when I stack all the good and bad up against each other. I don't think your theory is implausible, but I do think it's something easier examined later on in the game.

ABR is probably scum, Eager is probably scum, vedith I don't fucking know because he's just a master troll always. Someone needs to clear him.

Why probably? I don't like that phrasing. Vedith and I had some back and forth in our small hood and I'm convinced he's scum from it. Like, hook line and sinker as I see it. He bit and ran and I pointed out I had him and he disappeared for days, only to come back and troll and hope we all forgot it happened.

Again, Ved is an enigma to me right now. Can you elaborate on what exactly happened in the hood? Would also like to hear Ved's side of it.

@Aero, I really like your reads list format.
If anyone asks where I got the idea, I'm taking full credit.

Thanks! It's new. Feel free to use it, It makes looking back at my 3am RedBull thoughts way easier.

[Gale Wing Srock]

Wisdom (5) - Diamond, Albert, BTD6_Maker, Vaxkiller, Dreal

Also, I just want to point out. People that play with Wisdom know he is a louder player.
Scum want this locked up tight before he presses them against him, as he's a harder lynch as the game goes on when town.

@Wisdom - Out of the people voting you, who's played with you before? Who knows that you're a threat at kicking and screaming and wants you lynched before going into tomorrow where the chances drop?
I'd suggest scum in those names you give as well.

However, we should all vote Texcat, we have a PT of 4 people that are all family,

and he keeps trying to push that there won't be scum in the gorup

.
1 thing I am sure of, we are not having an unofficial masionary group of 4 people in a game of this size.
Texcat is the only 1 in the group pushing for there not to be scum.

If you all put your colouring books down for 2 seconds, read that, and think about it, it makes sense.

Hmm, that is crazy.
A hood outside of the planets and all of them to be town is too big a mason group to believe.

Aka exaggerated claim to be town = Scum

there doesnt have to be scum in your group. Scum picked their planets before they got their role PMs so for all we know they could all be in that 6 people neighborhood.

I don't agree with your theory either. Any person who knows me also knows I don't get lynched, therefore ruining your theory. It's mostly townies who don't know me on the wagon.

I'm not talking about the planet group.
I am talking about another PT where the 4 of us are siblings and are in the PT because of our character fluff. We are never going to be all town.

I agree to this, its not possible for all to be town.

Well, dreal won't flip scum he's just the VI you always get in large games.
You agree that there's most likely scum, who is it then? Me or White?

Agree on dreal more likely being town in that group.

dreal is the fourth?

well, that's hard then. Maybe it's White after all.

I don't think it is White because her defense of DS is something I don't see coming from scums. She was too clear and focused that, DS's stance change on a PL on her, cannot come from scum.

Although I don't agree with that line of thought, because scums usually do things like this to look townie. Especially DS who likes making risky plays to make it seem that it is crazy to think that he is scum.

Still I can understand why such a read could be developed out of DS's play and defending it like she did against Wisdom is not something I can see coming from scum.

I'm not lynching outside of this group.

Once we get rid of scum it is a mason group.

Scum then have to prioritise their kills.

Scum would want the conversation of scum being there dropped. Dreal and white are both keeping to idea going just like me.
Texcat just wants us to avoid the situation.

Isn't that true with all groups?

Still I think Texcat wanting the group to be read as a Mason group is scummy. I don't see it coming from a townie as the paranoia would be real. Especially because it is a hood outside the planets.

UNVOTE: Diamond Sentinel

VOTE: Texcat

[Aeronaut]

Current news: ABR, Snake and BTD6 are scum

All three have a short ISO, check them out for yourself.

Why just those 3? I understand that gamma and bullet get a pass due to replacing in, but look at your "lurk" distribution:

Gale 26
FrankJaeger 26

ABR

23
Aeronaut 22
texcat 19

BTD6

14
Gamma 12

eagerSnake

7
BulletNLynchproof 7

I don't think that Wisdom was saying they're scum because they're lurking, but that they are scum, and also happen to be lurking so they're easy to read.

Activity alone is not indicative of alignment. It can be an additional hint, though.

you havent won yet drealmer! our fourth buddy will win the game!

pedit: They are not scum because of lurking

Hahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

@Aero you've posted content recently, but it's only 8 hours worth content. You have almost 6 days of no content to make up for.

I don't think it works like that?
Do you have more stuff to offer us or are you really gonna whine the whole game because if you're town I'd like your input on stuff.

[texcat]

Gale, Did you read anything I wrote? You didn't quote it. I never said we were a mason group. I said that I did not know if there was scum among us. Or how many scum there were among us. I saw and still see no reason to believe that there is exactly one scum in our group. There is a big difference between a mason group who can trust each other and a neighborhood of 4 townies who all distrust each other. I never claimed that I thought we were all town, just that I didn't see any reason to believe that we weren't.

[Aeronaut]

MOD

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Activity call on these folks please!

Vedith Nov 07, 04:57pm Nov 10, 09:18am 2 days 1 hour 31
FrankJaeger Nov 08, 02:50am Nov 10, 08:19am 2 days 2 hours 18
Albert B. Rampage Nov 08, 03:01am Nov 10, 12:42am 2 days 10 hours 18

I was V/LA.

Now I'm back.

1v1 me with Wisdom

I'll vote on whichever of the two leading wagons right now, please guys, don't be like the democrats this year, vote.

1v1 me

The game is really slow I haven't had much time to get invested yet. The time will come when the activity picks up.

He doesn't deserve any pity I can tell you

People apparently seem to be voting me because I am "posting nothing of substance". It's true that I haven't had much to say (I have not got any strong reads/opinions on the interactions just yet) but I am at least producing content. I am trying to figure this game out. On the other hand, here are some of ABR's recent posts. A call for a 1v1 (which I don't see as pro-Town) and some very short posts without even a hint that ABR is trying. From what I see, based on the reasons people have for voting me, ABR is a much better vote. It appears as he is just trying to fly under the radar by posting very little.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

We're 35 pages in, there is zero chance you've had no impressions.

Please. Lynch. This.

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

You should all join me on this wagon.

Done!

See, ABR listened.

why are you more concerned about what we think of your naked vote than to convince us to vote texcat? you could analyze her posts and make up some reasons but no you just said "cant talk about my reasons but I have very good ones lolol"

Because I'm kinda done with chasing the same stupid butterflies. Nobody listens to anything that I say, so I'll let other people speak and do as I see fit.

I'm listening

Nah, I'll just let other people who are apparently much more capable than I am do the talking.

DS hardcore playing the victim, oh woe is me, nobody will listen to me

I'd listen to you if you were providing anything

VOTE: BTD6

What I said in our PT was, "And I still disagree with the premise that one of us four must be scum. It could be true, who knows?"
It also might be that Vedith has some "special" information that there is scum in our neighborhood, but I have no reason to trust him on that.

Why is Vedith in two hoods? He's also in my hood.

Yeah... I'm going to say right now that this whole texcat wagon is contrived as fuck.

How do the others in the hood feel about this? To me, it looked like Ved is blasting that one line out of proportion.

[texcat]

Yeah... I'm going to say right now that this whole texcat wagon is contrived as fuck.

How do the others in the hood feel about this? To me, it looked like Ved is blasting that one line out of proportion.

To be fair to Ved, I've said the same thing more than once.

More quotes from the hood:
"It's possible, and even likely, that we have a scum here. But it is not a certainty. I'd be willing to bet that there is a neighborhood somewhere with no scum."
"There's a BIG difference between being all town and being masons. As it is, I might be able to trust you all, but I'm not sure that I can."

[Aeronaut]

see, I don't even see scum ever pointing that out

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not in the hood, but I would REALLY like to hear from White queens and dreamler? (thought i saw someone say he was the 4th)

[Aeronaut]

I would like to hear more from WQ in general.

[Gale Wing Srock]

Gale, Did you read anything I wrote? You didn't quote it. I never said we were a mason group. I said that I did not know if there was scum among us. Or how many scum there were among us. I saw and still see no reason to believe that there is exactly one scum in our group. There is a big difference between a mason group who can trust each other and a neighborhood of 4 townies who all distrust each other. I never claimed that I thought we were all town, just that I didn't see any reason to believe that we weren't.

Tell me why BTD6 > Vedith for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey Gale, talk to me about the state of this game and how strong you're feeling

[Gale Wing Srock]

Hey Gale, talk to me about the state of this game and how strong you're feeling

Wtf does that mean?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Get me into the game

[FrankJaeger]

Reviewing now.

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