Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[TwoFace]

Day 1/2 I had a gut read on xk. My massive read was more due to being scum with Gerry and that stupid scum slip push which was really ducking bad. Would scum push that so hard? Idk

[TwoFace]

I'm have time to look at stuff today.

[TwoFace]

xf's strong opposition to dunn getting lynched, given what role dunn had really makes me think xf is the right play

[TwoFace]

VOTE: xffyu

think that is l-1

[TwoFace]

she was the kill target when naomi died

[TwoFace]

she was the kill target when naomi died

[TwoFace]

double post. hot

[TwoFace]

You would have to know who that is...

[TwoFace]

You aren't reading are you?

[TwoFace]

I have no clue

[TwoFace]

Don't really care to know really

[TwoFace]

You aren't reading are you?

So do we know or what can you help me out here I don't like to dig for things that I'm not sure where they are.

I know why there was no kill. That's all I'm comfortable sharing.

[TwoFace]

Can we lynch grapes? Him trying to find out why no kil happened looks scum motivated to me

[TwoFace]

VOTE: grapes

[TwoFace]

Can we lynch grapes? Him trying to find out why no kil happened looks scum motivated to me

Well, I'd be lying if I said that I'm not trying to figure it out too.

Being curious is one thing. You were curious. I hinted at knowing. You asked me to explain and I said I rather not. You backed off. That was fine.

Grapes somehow missed that entire conversation and won't back off. That's scummy

[TwoFace]

So are you a bulletproof archaeologist now?

I'm chuck Norris.

[TwoFace]

I'm not sold. He's said some strange shit this game.

VOTE: xf

[TwoFace]

I can make a case for you and massive. So I really don't care which one goes first. Convince me why massive should be lynched over you.

Massive you as well.

unvote

[TwoFace]

They both seem like they are lying down though

[TwoFace]

It's not dishonorable to give up. Nobody would blame you

[TwoFace]

They both seem like they are lying down though

I've been V/LA...

Fair enough. When will you be back?

[TwoFace]

Yea basically lynch through xk, massive, toto and that's game.

I don't even think toto should be on the list. I believe Dunn was pushing him hard at one point.

[TwoFace]

And you less than toto

[TwoFace]

I just want this game to end. I need the complete setup so I can run on another site.

I mean I'm prett sure I know the setup at this point but still. Plus I want to join another normal.

[TwoFace]

I don't like this Lylo discussion

I doubt it'll get that far unless scum really is zach

[TwoFace]

If zach is town he's annoying. He's really not contributing at all.

[TwoFace]

I've tried to get people to explain why they think it's one over the other. Maybe you'll have better luck

[TwoFace]

Uh xf was voting Gerry most of the day, not Dunn. D1 when Dunn was near lynch xf wasn't voting Dunn wither.
He voted nos when nobody else was. He switched to zach but that didn't happen either.

[TwoFace]

This was near deadline. Massive looks worse than xf actually but xf could still be scum distancing.

VC 2.11

gerryoat (4) - Naomi-Tan, Toto, Dunnstral, Nosferatu
Dunnstral (2) - gerryoat, grapes
Xkfyu (1)- Zachstralkita
Zachstralkita (1) - PantherPunt
Naomi-Tan (1)- massive
Nosferatu (1)- Xkfyu
grapes (1)- TwoFace

Not voting (0)- NOBODY

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

(expired on 2016-10-31 12:00:00)

Mod notes:

VOTE: dunn

I'm here.

UNVOTE: Nosferatu

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'd still prefer to lynch outside of the claims though.

Oh god both of these wagons look awful now.

The most likely scum action, given all the claims from D1, is kill pip block Dunn. Gets rid of a PR on a good player and sets up an easy mislynch on Dunn.

gerry may be rubbish for blocking a claimed PR and I still wouldn't want him in LYLO but at this point you can't lynch him. You'd have to believe he fakeclaimed AND Twoface fakeclaimed a non-normal role to support him. You may think gerry would be that bad, but I can't imagine scum-Twoface going along with that.

Two hours? I'll consolidate before that to ensure a lynch but ... Naomi anyone?

[TwoFace]

This is where a coin flip would actually come in handy lol.

[TwoFace]

mafsepia is great btw

Disagree.

[TwoFace]

vc please

[TwoFace]

Think massive is at l-1.

Toto/xf/grapes.

[TwoFace]

I really hope this is game

[TwoFace]

so i'm thinking it's zach or xf. Gut really says zach though

[TwoFace]

given you were jk'd it really isn't.

luckily we still have the edge.

you were jk'd to frame or you were jk'd to protect from the vig. I am not putting it past both of you to buss each other in an attempt to get written off as t v t, I have seen other players do the exact same thing before.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: zach

[TwoFace]

sorry if I don't take your word for it. I have to consider your play and I don't see much that looks town to me

[TwoFace]

It's okay. Pretty sure we're in autowin here as long as you lynch Xk bc grapes has been townread of mine since D1.

Unless Toto finessed

why is he a town read for you? just curious

[TwoFace]

@Twoface
Why wasn't there a kill the Night there wasn't a kill.

bulletproof

[TwoFace]

ok

[TwoFace]

i did answer you the first time

I am not sure what you are talking about "claiming to a scum read"

[TwoFace]

I have seen town grapes and been scum with scum grapes before.

The motivation behind grapes' posts indicates deliberation and not fake gamesolving or the attempt to appear town overtly. Interactions with people are also telling. For example with Maria (I think it was Maria) Day 1.

And why is this an acceptable reason to townread someone, twoface?

Where did I say that it was?

[TwoFace]

You think I'm scum

Last I checked your name wasn't Xf or Zach.

If you're town learn to read

[TwoFace]

I have seen town grapes and been scum with scum grapes before.

The motivation behind grapes' posts indicates deliberation and not fake gamesolving or the attempt to appear town overtly. Interactions with people are also telling. For example with Maria (I think it was Maria) Day 1.

And why is this an acceptable reason to townread someone, twoface?

Where did I say that it was?

ok

Just because I say "ok" doesn't mean I think his response was acceptable. I get you can't detect tone on the interwebz, but if you could there would have been a very heavy sarcastic tone behind it.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Twoface

so are you scum claiming?

That would make the game much easier if you are

[TwoFace]

VOTE: grapes

[TwoFace]

pretty sure you'll be lynched over me brah

[TwoFace]

What the fuck is an archaeologist doing in space? And why's he need a bulletproof vest?

this isn't a themed game. Just cause the mod chooses flavor to be space, doesn't mean his roles have to be space related.

also this is kind of telling since we know for a fact that is actually what happened

Scum can action + kill yea?

[TwoFace]

VOTE: grapes

This is pure omgus.

Not pure OMGUS, partly omgus.

I am the most cleared person in the game right now

I was able to tell that gerry used his action on pip BEFORE he said he did.
I was able to prevent Gerry from being mislynched by outing this information.
I was able to tell everyone why we had 3 kills the night gerry died
I was able to tell who Dunn blocked and tried to kill
I was able to tell who naomi was protecting when she died.

you try to discredit this as some sort of gambit which is hilarious.

yesterday you were so interested in finding out why there was no kill, which only makes sense if you are scum.


have a nice day

[TwoFace]

You're not clear.

Am i 100% clear, no. I am more clear than anyone else alive? absolutely

Was right about Dunn Day 1
saved a town PR from being mis-lynched
responsible for lynching the 2nd scum day 3

And how were you able to tell?
That's wonderful.
Could be bullshit.
Could be bullshit.
Could be bullshit.

1. because my role gave me this information. If you think I am lying, please explain how on earth I could know that. lucky guess?
2. it is wonderful
3-5 - sure it could be bullshit but when you compare it to the other information I provided, there is no way you can be town and actually think it is bullshit

Explain in excruciating detail WHY wanting to know how the scumkill didn't happen is scum motivated.

Let's see.

Scum tried to kill me and the fill failed. I am the person that scum wants to get rid of more than ever now because it seems like the vig can't shoot anymore. Scum wants to make sure they wouldn't be wasting their shot if they tried to kill me again, but since I didn't provide any details they went after the next towniest person who is Panther.

Town wouldn't care why a no kill happened, they would be happy that none of the townies were killed and leave it at that.

[TwoFace]

& twoface it makes no sense for grapes to be scum and engaging you like this. None whatsoever.

it makes no sense for town grapes to do it either though

[TwoFace]

He gets put into the position he's in right now.

I don't think his claim is an actual thing.

None of his pushes make sense.

so you think I power bussed both partners AND saved a town PR from getting lynched as some sort of town cred ploy?

If you think I am lying about my role, explain how I knew pip was blocked before gerry said he blocked him. I'll wait

All my pushes make sense to me, which is the only person they need to make sense to.

[TwoFace]

Show me exactly where you claim to know that gerry blocked pip before gerry claimed anything.

If you were blocked I definitely have a questions but no way to confirm that you were.

My question can't be answered until post game so don't worry about it.

The only issue is would mafia risk killing itlepip without knowing there was a doc or would they block/kill him?

Nah that's not likely. Nevrmind.

If you're scum, or better yet a scum RB. Would scum block and kill the same person is what I'm wondering.

The only issue is would mafia risk killing itlepip without knowing there was a doc or would they block/kill him?

Nah that's not likely. Nevrmind.

Walk me through this thought process I can't follow what you're saying.

You think they'd worry about block/killing him in case the kill didn't go through?

So what makes that not likely that you typed it out and then thought nah not likely immediately thereafter and said that rather than deleting the thought

Yes that's what I'm thinking. I didn't delete it cause I want the thought/possiblity out there in my ISO

if you are town, I don't think you were roleblocked

If mafia has a RB, I don't think it was used on dunn but I have no way of knowing if mafia has one or not.

I fee pretty good saying Dunn wasn't roleblocked which is odd as shit statement to make and doesn't really make any sense to me as I say it, but I absolutely believe it to be true unless pip didn't submit a night action

fast forward

I'm Town Roleblocker. Which is why I think Dunn is mafia as I doubt both town and maf have a RB. You guys are fucking morons lmao

I targeted itep cause he was my scumread

[TwoFace]

no no no it does town can be misguided

sorry no dice

[TwoFace]

Let's lynch grapes and end the game

[TwoFace]

ES&D scum

[TwoFace]

No way he's town. Sorry

[TwoFace]

There's no town motivation for his push on me

[TwoFace]

So when we mislynch you're not going to kill me? Nice

You don't know my main

[TwoFace]

I will later

[TwoFace]

Answer my questions.

Still waiting you to answer mine. Since I asked first I'll wait.

Heading to parent teacher conferences so I'll check back later.

[TwoFace]

If you think I am lying about my role, explain how I knew pip was blocked before gerry said he blocked him. I'll wait

[TwoFace]

The only issue is would mafia risk killing itlepip without knowing there was a doc or would they block/kill him?

Nah that's not likely. Nevrmind.

Don't know how my alignment is a factor to this

If you're scum, or better yet a scum RB. Would scum block and kill the same person is what I'm wondering.

Why'd you remove the context from all your quotes this actually looks bad.

What does dunn being scum have to do with whether scum in general would block and kill pip? And why does dunn being a scum roleblocker a point that you decided coincides with that?

The context of the conversations don't matter. I'm showing where multiple times I hinted I knew pip was blocked.

Without rereading the conversation again I can't remember what I was thinking exactly. I was in the process of figuring out how Dunn could claim he was blocked when I knew pip was. Pip blocked and killed by mafia made no sense so Dunn claiming he was blocked meant that he was either scum lying or scum blocked him.

[TwoFace]

You can't be "more clear" than everyone else alive. This doesn't make sense. Bussing is a thing.
You didn't try and vote for dunn near EOD2 which I think is bad because you voted him earlier just like Xk did.

I can be the most cleared and I am. My actions make no sense if I'm scum for reasons already explained by me and I think zach.

Bussing nos would be a terrible strategy. I came out the gate and strong armed his lynch.

You didn't push dunn day 1.

Yes I did.

You could be scum with that role?
You could also have caught a crumb or hint from gerry? He did make his tunnel relatively obvious.
Every action I said that could be bullshit is you claiming targets for people currently pushing up daisies. You pushing me for pushing you doesn't make sense in that regard.

My role makes no sense as a scum role
You think I started talking about a crazy scenario like that because Gerry crumbed something? Pretty sure he didn't crumb anything and that doesn't explain why I would derail his lynch when lynching him would help me if I were scum.
Me pushing you for pushing me makes sense cause I'm the least likely to be scum so you're push on me made zero sense from a town pov.

Scum claim bulletproof all the time. That aspect makes your role already more overpowered than it is in a game with all these night actions swimming around. There wasn't an obvious kill besides you (if you're town) so that gambit makes sense in my head.

Also @the bolded you think scum are more likely to kill you at night or push for your lynch? How is my push on you scummy? Please give examples this time.

They killed panther because killing you clears panther if you're town not the other way around.

How does any of that make me scum?

Talk to the mod post game if you think it's OPd. My role is the most awesome role I've ever had and I've helped town more than anyone else. So fuck off

You're push on me is scummy because I've been the most helpful. You want to lynch me because you think I'm scum trying to bus my partners and save a town pr from being lynched and then not even kill him the following night shows you have no ability to think logically. None of that makes sense as scum so yeah, your push on me is terrible.

I didn't kill anyone thanks.

[TwoFace]

Your role makes perfect sense as a scumrole.

It's scummy that you're pushing that your role makes you town.

In fact you knowing gerry's target as scum makes your Day 2 look a lot worse.

Also get your shitty vote off me or bring a case goldilocks.

My role makes no sense as scum actually

If I was scum I wouldn't have stopped his lynch.

I wouldn't have come out guns blazing lynching nos when he wasn't even at risk of getting lynched

[TwoFace]

I'm the vig.

Remove your vote peasant.

UNVOTE:

Do me a favor and avoid playing with me ever again. I can't play with [redacted] people.

[TwoFace]

Who's scum twoface?

Already answered when the day started.

[TwoFace]

Grapes... I wasn't going to let you get lynched...

I didn't claim because I thought I would get lynched. I claimed so you guys would start listening to me.

You're claim doesn't change the fact that literally NOBODY should be listening to you based on the nonsense you've been posting today.

[TwoFace]

The context of the conversations don't matter. I'm showing where multiple times I hinted I knew pip was blocked.

Without rereading the conversation again I can't remember what I was thinking exactly. I was in the process of figuring out how Dunn could claim he was blocked when I knew pip was.

Pip blocked and killed by mafia made no sense so Dunn claiming he was blocked meant that he was either scum lying or scum blocked him.

I bolded the answer that didn't really answer my question.

You said to dunn "if you're scum,

better yet a scum RB

" how would dunn BEING the roleblocker coincide with that thought process.

So, try answering that question again.

I don't understand how the info that dunn was blocked by scum or scum lying was information that couldn't be gathered by anyone anyway, honestly the only advantage you had over anyone is that you knew I wasn't lying about not getting a message.

Yet you pushed on me that day anyway.

TBH I don't even remember what was going through my mind back then. I'm sure I could read the posts and refresh my memory but it doesn't matter.

I'm town
Apparently your town but a [redacted]

I'm wasting time going back reading and trying to remember because a [redacted] wants me to.

[TwoFace]

Can you explain more about the "if I'm town, grapes is scum" thing?

I don't think you were RBd

Thanks for quoting one of my crumbs. I didn't think Dunn was blocked cause I knew pip was.

[TwoFace]

Why do you act like that lol

Act like what? Like grapes is the dumbest person on the entire site? Have you read his posts? Discrediting the person who makes absolutely no sense as scum?

He deserves it that's why.

[TwoFace]

Why do you act like that lol

Act like what? Like grapes is the dumbest person on the entire site? Have you read his posts? Discrediting the person who makes absolutely no sense as scum?

He deserves it that's why.

Act like a dick, dude.

And I'm an asshole. But you failing(more like refusing) to see how town!grapes could be wrong.. even after I laid out WHY it made sense for that to be the case is on you. And I was quite aware you made no sense as scum so I was trying to mediate for both of you and none of you listened to me.

Cause I'm pissed off that this ducking terd is actually town. Literally nothing he's said makes sense coming from town yet barring a cc, he's town.

[TwoFace]

Pip blocked and killed by mafia made no sense so Dunn claiming he was blocked meant that he was either scum lying or scum blocked him.

Can you explain more about the "if I'm town, grapes is scum" thing?

I don't think you were RBd

I'm pretty sure that was around the time that I wasn't considering both town and scum had blocking roles. I honestly don't remember as that was ages ago

[TwoFace]

The idea of both sides having a blocking role came up way later.

[TwoFace]

Try again.

I actually don't need to try shit. I'm done talking to you.

[TwoFace]

Without going back and rereading to refresh my memory with what was going on during the time, I can't answer that question. I literally just explained it.

I have no desire to do that either so piss off

[TwoFace]

Try again.

I actually don't need to try shit. I'm done talking to you.

Then eat rope I guess.

Fine. You'll be proving my point about you.

[TwoFace]

Reported. Don't call me a R word ever again.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: zach

[TwoFace]

I'm sticking with who Dunn jk'd

Protecting his buddy from the vig > framing town zach

[TwoFace]

Reported. Don't call me a R word ever again.

I wasn't calling you a retard; I was basically describing how you're treating me right now and it's uncalled for.

No you actually called me one.

[TwoFace]

The only issue is would mafia risk killing itlepip without knowing there was a doc or would they block/kill him?

Nah that's not likely. Nevrmind.

Don't know how my alignment is a factor to this

If you're scum, or better yet a scum RB. Would scum block and kill the same person is what I'm wondering.

Grapes. This is the question you're asking me about right?

[TwoFace]

Fuck off redactefd.

Replaced the offending word

[TwoFace]

Idiot was what I was trying to say. I'm trying not to call people names because I don't like being called names but sometimes people are so dumb I fee like they should so Im censoring myself.

I would never call anyone the R word though.

[TwoFace]

Like, people need to realize. When someone's pushing you it's because it's they don't understand something you did.

The worst thing you can do is not try and explain yourself. Especially since I'm confirmed town.

If twoface is scum he either got caught slipping up his narrative with what he pushed day 2 and can't explain it; so he needs to discredit my push now.
Or he's a complete twat.
Or my push frustrated him, which may be. I dunno have I crossed the line anywhere? Why can't I ask questions? Why are you unquestionable, twoface?

I too am confirmed town. I was confirmed town way before you were and you treat me like I could possibly be scum.

[TwoFace]

Okay good.

I wouldn't either.

Like I said that's what I thought YOU were saying to ME.

But you did. You actually called me the r word.

[TwoFace]

But let's move on. Please read my last post on the previous page.

[TwoFace]

Despite not wanting to I just reread the post I think you're asking about.

[TwoFace]

The only issue is would mafia risk killing itlepip without knowing there was a doc or would they block/kill him?

Nah that's not likely. Nevrmind.

Don't know how my alignment is a factor to this

If you're scum, or better yet a scum RB. Would scum block and kill the same person is what I'm wondering.

Grapes. This is the question you're asking me about right?

[TwoFace]

I probably left that scenario out because at that time that was the most likely to me. I was opening under the assumption that if Dunn was town, you were probably lying. The idea of both sides having a blocking role wasn't in my realm of possibility yet.(that came later once more claims came out).

I was trying to determine if scum would block and kill the same person and that scenario made no sense.

Dunn being the scum roleblocker came in because again I knew that pip was blocked and nobody had any idea we were working with dual blocking roles. I was trying to figure out if mafia would block and kill pip because I never in a million years would have thought town RB would have blocked pip. We were also discussing the RB being scum who blocked town Dunn which is why the talk was about mafia RB.

I pushed you as scum now because you were trying to discredit me when I've helped town out more than anyone else. The idea that I somehow prevented town from mislynching the powerful role blocker (which would have been stupid if I'm scum) and bust out the gate day 3 to lynch my scum buddy (which would probably be considered game throwing) couldn't come from a town point of
View.

Like I'm literally hoping somebody CCs your vig claim because I STILL can't see how you are town with that line of thinking.

Day 3, if I were scum why would I need to toss nos under the bus? Like zach said I could have easily said Gerry died blocking him. I could have made up who Dunn JKd.

To immediately assume bussing is just dumb. Trust me I've made dumb assumptions before so I should take it easy on you but I was just pissed off.

[TwoFace]

I'd have to check but I think I did vote Dunn after Gerry claimed. Somebody suggested lynching outside of the claims and let the vig shoot dun.

Shit that was xf wasn't it? Let me check.

[TwoFace]

Oh the idea to lynch outside of the claims was Dunn. Lol.

I also see I did vote Dunn after Gerry claimed but not right away. I think that's when the idea of 2 blocking roles were in play which meant it was possible Dunn could still be town. It was after the BP claim that I determined Dunn made the least sense and voted him.

[TwoFace]

Grapes. Knowing Dunn was the jail keeper do you think Dunn protected his scum buddy, though zach was the vig and tried to block him, or tried to frame zach?

Does Dunn/zach/nos make sense?

Does Dunn/xf/nos make more or less sense?

Does toto factor in at all?

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

Well I was asking grapes but ok.

So assuming that scum is either xf or you.

That's why I'm trying to have a dialog with grapes but he's gone now.

[TwoFace]

I don't think there was a change in plans. The plan was lynch outside of the claims. Zach was outside of the claims. Dunn had to know that if the vig stuck to the plan he was dead.

I get why he didn't try to block me but why not try and block Naomi?

[TwoFace]

Dunn/Nos/Naomi(or just terribad town)/xfukyu has to have at least 2 scums. If you guys are all towns i'd literally stop playing forum maf lmao


Nos and Xkfyu aren't even voting you

This would be too obvious?

Gerry's reads in that post made me lol actually. Especially if xf is scum.

[TwoFace]

No it's a bad quote. Gerry actually says it

[TwoFace]

Dunn/Nos/Naomi(or just terribad town)/xfukyu has to have at least 2 scums. If you guys are all towns i'd literally stop playing forum maf lmao

Nos and Xkfyu aren't even voting you

[TwoFace]

Though that could be very telling considering nos was scum.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: xf

[TwoFace]

If it's not xf this game is going to get interesting

[TwoFace]

Let's not hammer yet though.

[TwoFace]

Why did knowing pip was blocked make you think dunn was the roleblocker?

Given my role scum having a role blocker made sense. I was going through all kinds of scenarios trying to figure stuff out. I knew pip was blocked and Dunn wasn't. Dunn claiming something else and being a role blocker made sense if Dunn was scum.

[TwoFace]

I disagree my game solving died off. I went through both massive and xf the previous day and combed through their posts. I honestly couldn't tell who was the buddy cause they both loooked bad. I tried multiple times to have the people who thought they were scum to make some posts to convince me. I believe I even asked massive and xf for their reads.

The game was basically solved anyway. It could only be 3 people from my pov

[TwoFace]

I get why he didn't try to block me but why not try and block Naomi?

Maybe because Naomi might have protected Dunn?

Hmm good point but the plan was for her not to protect him. He was supposed to die by design.

I really can't believe he agreed to that plan

[TwoFace]

Like if he had been lynched town wouldn't have had all the info we got

[TwoFace]

naomi if you are town, don't save me. my role isn't worth it.

But I said this later.

[TwoFace]

Actually Dunn flipping scum j/k doesn't condemn nos alone. It could be argued that nos was town being blocked by mafia. What did nos in was being visited by Gerry and dying.

[TwoFace]

I'm just glad I was able to fool mafia.

[TwoFace]

But would we really think that?

[TwoFace]

But would we really think that?

Probably would have started with Zach who was nearly lynched previous day.

Right and if he's town like most think that would have gotten us nowhere.

[TwoFace]

And why would we not have started with nos?

[TwoFace]

Sort of wished grapes would have waited before attacking toto. I really wanted to see what xf was going to do

[TwoFace]

So what are your thoughts on grapes push on toto?

[TwoFace]

I hope to figure you out and

[TwoFace]

Not sure why and posted. Dumb phone lol

[TwoFace]

Please dude. Don't try to downplay your bad play/stupidity as intentional

[TwoFace]

Grapes thinks you're an alt and he thinks he knows who I am.

[TwoFace]

Dunn and massive are alts? Wonder who their mains are. I've played with both before and never knew that. btw grapes we've played together before.

[TwoFace]

Except me.

Oh you're probably one also.

[TwoFace]

Was that a hammer?

[TwoFace]

Oh think so. Hopefully this was it.

[TwoFace]

My role isn't really overpowered.

[TwoFace]

This game isn't going to be over anytime soon cause I'm not voting for a couple days.

[TwoFace]

So zach. Sell me why toto makes sense as buddies with Dunn and nos. you haven't don't jack shit all game and it's a clean slate for both of you. Y'all need to put in the work and show me why I should vote the other.

I'll be doing my own work but I want actual effort. Lack of effort is a scum claim

[TwoFace]

Saying I was sheeping TwoFace and Naomi is disingenuous.

Not really. I tried to get info from you and never did.

[TwoFace]

Toto when you get back please explain 1. Why you think my role is OP and 2. Why that would upset you if you're town.

[TwoFace]

It's also not fair that you said I did jack shit this game when I pushed Dunn's lynch from the start

Then you said I voted him because he voted me and when I told you why you were wrong you just stopped talking about it

Outside of your Dunn push which wasn't that great, you haven't done much.

[TwoFace]

Won't have too much time to post today but just wanted to answer a few things.

Toto when you get back please explain 1. Why you think my role is OP and 2. Why that would upset you if you're town.

I'll answer (2) for now. We can leave the theoretical discussion about (1) for after the game, unless you think it is important to answer it now.

I was only frustrated I could not understand this thing and it was affecting my read on you before by adding a healthy dose of suspicion. I did not have a scum read on you but after the last day ended I went in full paranoia mode. I spent a lot of time thinking about this and could not make sense of it and that's what makes me upset.

Is still like you to answer 1. And I don't think that really answered why my role would upset you if I'm town and you're town.

[TwoFace]

You should be reading Zach's ISO, look for the things that are there, and more importantly the ones that are not there.

I'll be looking through both actually. I've already started. You need to do it also

[TwoFace]

Why not frame Xk, Grapes, Naomi, Gerry, or even fucking Massive who didn't do shit all game, if Zach was probably going to get lynched at some point anyway. Why frame Zach?

right now this is pretty much the only thing you have going for you atm. I just can't wrap my head around why he jk'd zach

The fact that Dunn accused you of being coached yet never pushed you doesn't look good for you.

[TwoFace]

Grapes just wanted to trade with Dunn who is a mafia PR.

this post is hard to ignore given that dunn was actually mafia pr

[TwoFace]

can I just tell you that I hate lylo. I hate that if I am wrong, people are going to blame me and I can't handle that. I never care about winning or losing but when I am responsible for the loss I take it personally.

[TwoFace]

how was zach compromised?
I don't think Nos was on anyone's radar outside of being a lurker

[TwoFace]

I'm pretty sure JKing me was Dunn's final refuge.

but seriously why would he do that?

This is why we needed to lynch you first but nobody wanted to listen to me. Everyone said you being jk'd meant you are probably town.

The biggest issue I can see right now is toto's reaction this day phase and the day phase when nobody died. It doesn't makes sense as town.

1. trying to figure out why no town died like it was somehow important really struck me as weird
2. complaining that my role is over powered, REALLY strikes me as weird.

Had scum tried to block me, Nos would not have been lynched when he was. I would have received no information whatsoever.

Zach just looks like townie playing poorly, toto looks like scum not being able to figure things out and is frustrated. I am not yet ready to hammer but if I had to right now I would hammer toto. I still want to look over things when I get some time.

[TwoFace]

Scum doesn't need to figure out anything.

the day after scum tries to kill me and the kill fails, they absolutely do need to figure out something. They are the ONLY one who needs to figure out something. They need to figure out why the kill failed.

[TwoFace]

How can you possibly say Zach is a townie playing poorly?

because if he is town, he's playing poorly...

[TwoFace]

ok toto was the one who spent all that time looking for games with encryptor, why would he do that if he were scum?

ugh... I feel like i should just flip a coin or something

[TwoFace]

I can easily see how it could be zach, but then again I can see how it can be you.

[TwoFace]

He hasn't done anything town to me. But then again some of the other townies weren't really townie to me either.

[TwoFace]

ok toto was the one who spent all that time looking for games with encryptor, why would he do that if he were scum?

as scum i would not be above banging 4 adderall IR and writing an essay just so I could finesse that win. i dunno. i feel like "WELL THIS ONE REALLY TIME CONSUMING THING" is a poor indicator of town/not town.

Its zach. But if you shoot me you can blame your boss

Was trying to find a good gif to put here but nothing really summates how low you are

But that looks like game solving to me. Or at least attempting to. That's townish

[TwoFace]

zach - you seem to take credit for being right about dunn, but the original reason you voted him was the biggest piece of garbage i've ever seen.

you voted him because he asked you what your thoughts on maria were. You said there is no reason why town dunn would ask a scum read their thoughts on another player, which is complete horseshit.

you did absolutely NO scum hunting all game. Your votes were basically all with little to no reasoning whatsoever.

if you're town here you literally played like shit and I don't see any town motivation to your play

[TwoFace]

I feel better being duped by toto scum than zach scum. I don't see anything from zach that looks protown

[TwoFace]

Given vig, jk'ing to protect a buddy makes more sense than framing a townie.

[TwoFace]

Which technically means I am a better player than you.

I should hammer you now.

[TwoFace]

Dunnstral wrote:
In post 557, Zachstralkita wrote:
It's cool that you said something and expected it to be true based off sheer willpower, but that's not the case


What are your thoughts on Maria?



Why are you asking your #1 scumread who you think is certain scum his thoughts? HOLY FUCK

VOTE: Dunnstral

im sorry grapes

Like how is this town thinking? The point of asking scum reads thoughts on others is to get them to comment on others. You're reaction is terrible

[TwoFace]

Sure you do. You absolutely ask them questions

[TwoFace]

I'm sorry as much as I can probably pick and choose things why each of you are scum and why you are town, overall toto has looked townier compared to you.

I'm going to look and see if toto has made an attempt at a good push on anyone but you haven't. Claiming to be right about Dunn when you provided very little and did nothing else just doesn't do anything for me.

Tonight or tomorrow I'll do that.

[TwoFace]

sorry forgot about this game today. will pay attention to this tomorrow.

[TwoFace]

Please do cause I'm pretty sure I've decided

[TwoFace]

But toto "bussing" Dunn in that situation doesn't make sense. If anything this post makes think what I've thought all along. Dunn was trying to discredit toto in an attempt to possibly mislynch him.

[TwoFace]

Both of you. Show me your best case/push that you've made on somebody this game outside of this day phase.

[TwoFace]

Dunn voted gerryoat lol and still had me lock scum.

Good point. Which points to you being his buddy

[TwoFace]

More things point to you scum with Dunn then Toto imo.

If I'm wrong, apologizes

VOTE: zach

[TwoFace]

Oh thank goodness. Nice playing with you.

[TwoFace]

You know if grapes hadn't laid into you yesterday, this day would have been easier. I doubt myself and was wondering what the heck I was missing

[TwoFace]

I don't care if people think my role was OPd. It was the best damn role I've ever had

[TwoFace]

What I want to know is that whether or not my NK choice fucked me. I thought grapes would be more inclined to lynch Toto but then I didn't, so I shot her and attempted to WIFOM it

Grapes could have been trolling. Couldn't tell if he legitimately sr him or not.

[TwoFace]

Well I was on the right track with Dunn early on. That crazy accusation by Gerry threw me off my game. Nos was always a weird vibe so I feel like he would have been caught eventually

[TwoFace]

I don't care if people think my role was OPd. It was the best damn role I've ever had

Since games are reviewed for balance I'm sure there is a good explanation. I don't know why I brought that up, I was really lost.

I think leaving grapes alive would have been interesting, maybe too obvious, but could have worked. I think this choice was better.

We all make mistakes, I should have pushed Zach harder earlier, and should have defended Xk harder the previous day. I had a towntell on him and fucked up with my PoE.

After nos we kind of tuned out. I knew zach was the right play but it never got traction. Could have really changed things had we at least pressured him.

[TwoFace]

Why kill panther the night Naomi died?

[TwoFace]

Let me grab some popcorn. 11 pages of mafia talk

[TwoFace]

AND YALL VIGGED ME N1 FOR WANTING ZACH LYNCHED

Well done town gg ^_^

Being right isn't enough though.

[TwoFace]

Why kill panther the night Naomi died?

We had thought Panther was vig lol

after Dunn died I still thought it

Why not jk him and shoot me?

[TwoFace]

Dunn I think used his role wrong.

[TwoFace]

Who was the one who asked about an archeologist in space? Made me lol

[TwoFace]

It's half the battle sadly

obligatory

[TwoFace]

Gonna be bold here and call this one a scum win

Oh sweet christ

Dat jinx

[TwoFace]

Had scum JKd me this entire game changes. I actually forgot I was BP until right before I told Naomi not to protect me.

Dunn, I'm curious why did you want to kill me originally n1

[TwoFace]

Naomi is such a weirdo. Like why protect panther in that situation.

[TwoFace]

That crazy accusation by Gerry threw me off my game. N

Looks back at Gerry.

Next time don't falsely accuse somebody of something and refuse to admit your mistake when it's proven false. You went off the deep end attacking me for something I didn't do.

[TwoFace]

The fact that you still don't think you've done anything wrong is what's wrong. Please never play with me again. If you can't be humble enough to recognize your own mistakes and admit you made them and apologize for them, I can't play with you.