Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Aeronaut]

Wait
Miller + Vig
You're fucking kidding me

yeah welcome to a role madness game.

[Aeronaut]

ugh everyone hang on and let me think.

I'm considering massclaiming here - I think it's probably correct because most people have claimed anyway, and without it I don't see us figuring out what the clusterfuck that was last night was, but I'm not sure. and ya Luna definitely blocked beeboy, but that isn't unambiguous quite yet because something else might have been what stopped the kill.

I agree w/ this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait
Miller + Vig
You're fucking kidding me

yeah welcome to a role madness game.

You claim both miller and vig
Confirmed SK?

[SirCakez]

I honestly have very little faith you aren't just gambitting to get beeboy lynched because of your massive fight yesterday :/

I wouldnt lie about my night actions to get someone lynched. That's something i consider very bad play, like fake guilties.

<.<

Aero is not the lynch because he's not done vigging

I can try to confirm this tomorrow night?

[Nahdia]

Wait
Miller + Vig
You're fucking kidding me

Bulletproof Miller Vig is a gimmick role. I can see GiF using it here.

ugh everyone hang on and let me think.

I'm considering massclaiming here - I think it's probably correct because most people have claimed anyway, and without it I don't see us figuring out what the clusterfuck that was last night was, but I'm not sure. and ya Luna definitely blocked beeboy, but that isn't unambiguous quite yet because something else might have been what stopped the kill.

I'm against mass claiming but I'll go with what you decide.

[Aeronaut]

Wait
Miller + Vig
You're fucking kidding me

yeah welcome to a role madness game.

You claim both miller and vig
Confirmed SK?

Be better.

I honestly have very little faith you aren't just gambitting to get beeboy lynched because of your massive fight yesterday :/

I wouldnt lie about my night actions to get someone lynched. That's something i consider very bad play, like fake guilties.

<.<

Aero is not the lynch because he's not done vigging

I can try to confirm this tomorrow night?

I mean, you can. But wouldn't it just come off as a kill anyway? Scum me could kill just as much as town me can.

Wait
Miller + Vig
You're fucking kidding me

Bulletproof Miller Vig is a gimmick role. I can see GiF using it here.

ugh everyone hang on and let me think.

I'm considering massclaiming here - I think it's probably correct because most people have claimed anyway, and without it I don't see us figuring out what the clusterfuck that was last night was, but I'm not sure. and ya Luna definitely blocked beeboy, but that isn't unambiguous quite yet because something else might have been what stopped the kill.

I'm against mass claiming but I'll go with what you decide.

Why is that?

[Nahdia]

Why am I against mass claiming?

Uh, explaining why I'm against it kind of defeats the purpose....

[SirCakez]

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

[Aeronaut]

Why am I against mass claiming?

Uh, explaining why I'm against it kind of defeats the purpose....

Fair point

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

I'm pretty much already confirmed not-groupscum since I shot groupscum.

Just to be clear, if I was lying about killing Varsoon, then whoever did could easily come out and say "hey, I killed Varsoon" and get me lynched as scum. Nobody has/will try to CC me because that would out them as scum.

[Aeronaut]

guys vote varsoon

Because _____?
Like, it seems even more random than usual to just be voting a 0 poster.

my role pm makes me believe varsoon is probably scum

What did you mean in this post?

[Aeronaut]

Mhsmith is actually scum, too.

[Aeronaut]

Smith spent all of D1 soft defending Varsoon / saying he'd "read into him".

And then berated Dwlee for "parking his vote" on Varsoon as if he was town, but then kept saying he was null or didn't know how to read Varsoon like the whole game.

[Aeronaut]

Near the end he said Varsoon and Drealz are both scum without any reasoning for why Varsoon was scum. He had been calling his play "dumb townie moves" all game but then suddenly at the end of the day, Varsoon is in his POE scum pile. No explanation.

[SirCakez]

Why am I against mass claiming?

Uh, explaining why I'm against it kind of defeats the purpose....

Fair point

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

I'm pretty much already confirmed not-groupscum since I shot groupscum.

Just to be clear, if I was lying about killing Varsoon, then whoever did could easily come out and say "hey, I killed Varsoon" and get me lynched as scum. Nobody has/will try to CC me because that would out them as scum.

Except you could just be scum trying to draw out the real vig

[Aeronaut]

Why am I against mass claiming?

Uh, explaining why I'm against it kind of defeats the purpose....

Fair point

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

I'm pretty much already confirmed not-groupscum since I shot groupscum.

Just to be clear, if I was lying about killing Varsoon, then whoever did could easily come out and say "hey, I killed Varsoon" and get me lynched as scum. Nobody has/will try to CC me because that would out them as scum.

Except you could just be scum trying to draw out the real vig

Ok but you understand that it's definitely not worth it for scum!me to get myself lynched just to draw out the vig, right?

[Aeronaut]

The posts I'm referencing:

Dwlee 108 - that seems basically null, especially since there was no real follow-up on it (had been vote-parking on varsoon, doesn't really push anyone from the observation, just makes it and moves on to a different topic)

"Dwlee is vote parking on Varsoon"

pieguyn - town lean
Varsoon - ???
Luna Fox - null
Gamma Emerald - town lean
Nahdia - ???
Wisdom - town lean
drealmerz7 - ???
SirCakez - ???
Aeronaut - town lean
beeboy - town
Dwlee99 - ???
pisskop - ???

I feel like I should have a decent scum read by now but I don't particularly.

Varsoon is null

As a simple example, I look at Varsoon's 744 and it displays a pretty profound lack of thread awareness given that he's pushing an argument that makes zero sense given what was actually happening. It's derpy enough to maybe be town (since scum would probably know basic stuff like "what was actually happening around the events that I'm talking about) but idk if Varsoon is any good at faking that sort of thing, or is actually derpy as scum.

It's more that I've spent more time thinking on Luna's slot than the ???'s, so I'm actually null on her, compared to some of the other slots where I don't really have a developed opinion. Some, like Varsoon, Nahdia, and dwlee, I'm not really sure that there's enough there that I could have a meaningful opinion yet (I'm mulling over whether it's fair to at least slight town read varsoon for the derp in 744, haven't decided yet). I don't really feel good about my ability to read Cakez and probably should spend more time there but haven't. I've also been demotivated from really digging through dreal's shit-posting and deciding what I should be thinking about him.

Varsoon is dumb town

Probably should re-read varsoon and actually get an opinion there.

No opinion.

meh. competent wolves are decent at making sensible posts. what pings me as plausible scum play here is that there's no follow-up. He makes the point that wagon speed analysis is bad and then stops caring about it. Which is weird because if he's arguing against a defense of you based on wagon speed, then it'd make sense to actually evaluate your wagon in some kind of meaningful manner. Instead he just goes back to "vote varsoon", which if he's a wolf is a nice way to look like he's doing something without actually having to do anything of substance.

Dwlee is vote parking on Varsoon

Fair point. She did do it to push varsoon. Def. want drealz before v.

Not conf town but I'd rather lynch drealz than v.

Drealz before V

Frankly, I just want someone in my POE to die so we can move the hell on. Drealz, cakey, varsoon, dwlee. Let's just pick one and move on. It's probably just 10v3, it's not like this is LYLO.

Anddd Varsoon is in his scum pile.

[Aeronaut]

Varsoon/Wisdom/Mhsmith

[beeboy]

VOTE: Wisdom

Wisdom is scum btw.

[beeboy]

Confirming what Pisskop posted and all that jazz.

[pieguyn]

skimming Aero's ISO, I think a kill on him actually *would* make some amount of sense. depending on the configuration of the scum team, they can't kill me since I said in no uncertain terms that Varsoon should be the lynch if I was to get killed N1 and people would actually have followed it - plus, if my other reads were good (for instance, if Wisdom is scum) then drawing attention to my reads would completely fuck them over (this sounds totally stupid, but I shit you not I have had this happen to me in a game before). besides that, now that we know Varsoon is scum I can't *really* see anyone else being the kill, so might as well try a kill on the person who softed that his role was powerful and who would be likely to vote-park on at least one of them with no real recourse.

I'm tossing around possibilities in my head for what optimal play is *if* we don't massclaim fully, but at the very least I feel pretty sure we should do these two things:

1. vig if it isn't Aero should claim. it's true that they can just shoot him overnight, but a vig CC means Aero is just scum and we have 2 scum dead, so not much of a reason to bother remaining hidden. I feel mostly sure no one will claim this, because the people who are unclaimed are either beeboy (who was RB'ed) or people who I don't see shooting Varsoon, but should be done for completeness.
2. Aero should claim his BP status. again - don't really see a reason to keep it hidden, we have a pretty major advantage atm and I don't *actually* see much of a disadvantage in doing this - scum RB if they have one is likely gonna be on him regardless now that he's claimed, BP means he can't die anyway, not BP still at least gives him one more night and scum still have to deal with both him and whatever Cakez is

beyond that, the question is, if the outcome is (no vig cc, Aero isn't BP), then if someone has reason to believe they made a successful save, should they claim? i'm thinking of ways we could maybe do this without outing the identity of the healer, but i am not really coming up with anything. if we leave it at that, then either the kill N1 was successfully healed or beeboy is scum, and we can keep that in mind for when a massclaim eventually happens later

someone should probably double check this in case i've missed something obvious

[beeboy]

Luna jailkept me and I was the NK or Varsoon faith healed his own NK.

Idk if we would have more protective power beyond Luna and the nurse tbh.

[beeboy]

Although I literally am turning this game to shit and was siding with scum so yeah this looks bad for me imo.

[Aeronaut]

I'm some kind of BP, yeah.

[pieguyn]

also, if we hit scum today then this game is pretty much entirely broken with a RB and a tracker (?) in the game

and this should be obvious, but if three mafia die and game is still going, autolynch Aero

p-edit: k

[beeboy]

oh Aero being a BP actually makes sense tbh lol.