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I'm going to assume both for the answer yes. Either way I haven't seen a scum player yet suggest a no lynch so you get a very early town lean.
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If I pretend I am buddying will you be my buddy?In post 23, Frozen Angel wrote:
ahh he just said it was just an rvsIn post 16, Garmr wrote:I'm going to assume both for the answer yes. Either way I haven't seen a scum player yet suggest a no lynch so you get a very early town lean.
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We done this over multiple games. I normally try to seduce him over to my side so I can get more voting power. I think we done this little dance like 4-5 times and out of those times I was scum only once.In post 27, Anotora wrote:Garmr, why are your posts so fixated on Firebringer?-
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But you got share with your friends. Me and fire share.
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But a wagon implies more than one vote?In post 47, Frozen Angel wrote:early town read on Fire bringer.
its subjected to change but its good for now. the cookie trick worked as planned.
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I don't know with rc I feel like he would be the type to counter claim a miller as both alignments.
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I agree with you about peppy feeling weird but I haven't made a judgement alignment it is through I could describe it. He just doesn't seem to want to get to deep into things. Everything feels superficial like it could be tossed aside latter in the game. It's early game through so I wouldn't expect to much and peps actually is a newbie so yeh.-
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That is kinda different than what I was thinking.In post 72, RadiantCowbells wrote:
It's because you do things and look at things by the book, using the site meta as a manual. It feels either scummy or newbie but I guess it's possible that you just approach things like that?In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:
I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie. What makes you think I'm scummy?In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.-
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What scum would want to counterclaim miller especially this early in the game. Also I know firebringer enough to know he wouldn't fakeclaim miller as scum.In post 77, Pepchoninga wrote:
I see. Well, I was just acting of common sence, since usually when you start claiming the same role it's either a TvS, a SvS or in this case a RVS discussion.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:pac that meta is not true - it was true in the old days maybe
a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.-
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So you expect ground breaking work in rvs and I will work at my own pace. Honestly you haven't really done that much noteworthy either. Also dislike the way you framed my view pepchininga I was pointing to light behavior I didn't understand and tried to find a reasoning to it. I was hoping to see others reaction butIn post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
That's... not a great contribution on his part.
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grey is back to null with his recent behavior. His constant attacking seems kinda forced.
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Hello captain obviousIn post 15, Anotora wrote:
Yet you voted for it.In post 14, -Grey- wrote:No Lynch is never an option on d1.
Answered this yet you never bothered inquiring further into why not?In post 27, Anotora wrote:Garmr, why are your posts so fixated on Firebringer?
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It's much, much likelier that one of you two is scum.In post 36, Firebringer wrote:
What if we are both miller? O_oIn post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote: Also I cc miller so powerlynch Firebringer.
I feel like your just posting this shit to make it seem like your involved. Anyone who's not new can see rc is bull shitting at this point with the lack of vote.In post 50, Anotora wrote:RC, you serious about your miller claim? Because if you are then we have at least a 50/50 chance of lynching scum Day 1 and that's a great place to start.
engage in wifom then right off your own post as wifomy what's the motivation as town to do this. It seems counter productive and just looks like something someone would post to make it look like their doing something.In post 84, Anotora wrote:
I think it's more likely for a scum to claim miller early than for scum to counterclaim miller. This is in part because of how unlikely two millers are.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote: a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.
If Firebringer is scum, then claiming miller was a big risk for him that could also have paid off. On the other hand, if RadiantCowbells is scum, claiming miller would be a terrible move, since at best he'd get a mislynch on Firebringer and then be confirmed scum, and at worst he'd be lynched straight off Day 1.
It almost seems to me like we should put such a bad scum move past RC and vote Firebringer, but that's WIFOMy.
I'm not doing anything either way until RC confirms that his claim was serious.
Compliments grey on his scum hunting and calls him pro town doesn't list anypoints seems like a generic make believe read.In post 89, Anotora wrote:
You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on hisIn post 81, Frozen Angel wrote:ahh let me make the case then:
@Anotora , You stated your not a fan of Grey no lynch vote, but thats a topic to discus later in day. Grey beleives you're scum for pretending/suggesting No lynch is a viable discussable option in day 1.In post 14, -Grey- wrote:No. No Lynch is never an option on d1. That you are feigning objection to it for now and keeping it open as a possibility for later if town is amenable to it gives me scum vibes.
what that makes you think about Grey and his rvs no lynch vote and then his next vote on you?actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.
Contradicts the last post by calling him out for vote hopping. If grey makes good points why are you asking him about his vote hopping and instead not try and argue against his case against you. Instead of trying to figure out why he scum reads you. You scarecrow him in a different direction.In post 96, Anotora wrote:
Could you rephrase that? I don't understand.In post 92, Frozen Angel wrote:no I asked what that particular thing I said means to you.
Why are you votehopping?-Grey- wrote:
I'm protown for scumreading you with clear posts with actual points to them?In post 89, Anotora wrote:You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on his actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.
Sounds like a confession if I ever heard one.
VOTE: Anotora
So it's ok early game to not say much ok.In post 112, Anotora wrote:
I mean, it was a reasonable thing for him to criticize, especially considering that was only page 1 and we didn't have a lot to go off of.In post 101, Frozen Angel wrote:and I mean I like to know what is your opinion about the fact that "he scum reads you for believing Not voting is a topic to be discussed later in day"
But grey has such good town read right you think his points on pepchoninga were good from his perspective. You don't seem fussed with his actual reasoning to vote you in the first place. Seems like your just attacking here for a possible vote.In post 115, Anotora wrote:It almost seems like you're rewarding me for townreading you, by taking your vote off of me and putting it back on Pepchoninga. That's the scummiest thing you've done so far.
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Post 74 I comment How your post early game seem a little superficial not to deep with analysis. Two reasoning I give why it might be that way is that your newish (I didn't call you a noob) and it's early game.In post 138, Pepchoninga wrote:
I'm sorry was your 3rd sentence directed to me, since I didn't really understand it.In post 135, Garmr wrote:
So you expect ground breaking work in rvs and I will work at my own pace. Honestly you haven't really done that much noteworthy either. Also dislike the way you framed my view pepchininga I was pointing to light behavior I didn't understand and tried to find a reasoning to it. I was hoping to see others reaction butIn post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
That's... not a great contribution on his part.
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grey is back to null with his recent behavior. His constant attacking seems kinda forced.
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I like this answer I'm generally saying what's in my head at this time. Still through I do have a slight paranoia about you but I can't find anything to justify it.In post 143, Pepchoninga wrote:
I actually completely missed your post, so sorry about that. I am admittedly newer to the more competitive ,shaw I say, forum mafia, but me not going deep into anything at the time of you making that post and even now is due to the fact I'm still forming opinions and also I am waiting on everybody to come in and catch up to the couple pages of hit and miss arguments. This is still pretty early game and we do have 2 weeks so I see no reason to rush into any non well though wagons and fire accusations with no real evidence to back it up.In post 140, Garmr wrote:
Post 74 I comment How your post early game seem a little superficial not to deep with analysis. Two reasoning I give why it might be that way is that your newish (I didn't call you a noob) and it's early game.In post 138, Pepchoninga wrote:
I'm sorry was your 3rd sentence directed to me, since I didn't really understand it.In post 135, Garmr wrote:
So you expect ground breaking work in rvs and I will work at my own pace. Honestly you haven't really done that much noteworthy either. Also dislike the way you framed my view pepchininga I was pointing to light behavior I didn't understand and tried to find a reasoning to it. I was hoping to see others reaction butIn post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
That's... not a great contribution on his part.
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grey is back to null with his recent behavior. His constant attacking seems kinda forced.
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His reasoning for voting firebringer was because firebringer didn't counter draw him (countervote him).In post 142, Anotora wrote:-Grey- and Garmr both use the same talking point(!) about RC's miller counterclaim. That is, "it can't be serious; if it was, then RC would have voted Firebringer."
But that's nonsense because RC did, in fact, vote Firebringer! Only four real-life minutes after posting the counterclaim! And RC's vote is still now on Firebringer!
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This is pretty much a sarcastic jab and the comment you made towards me earlier.In post 148, Anotora wrote:
Of all the strawmen. How can you even come close to interpreting that, as if I said it was okay not to contribute in the early game?In post 139, Garmr wrote:
So it's ok early game to not say much ok.In post 112, Anotora wrote:
I mean, it was a reasonable thing for him to criticize, especially considering that was only page 1 and we didn't have a lot to go off of.In post 101, Frozen Angel wrote:and I mean I like to know what is your opinion about the fact that "he scum reads you for believing Not voting is a topic to be discussed later in day"
This does nothing to refute my point. My point was you pretty much said he was town and solid points but that changed quickly when he voted you. You started pushing him for vote hopping. You never did counter his point you gave two bull shit copy and paste examples after being pushed like twice. -grey- might of accepted it but I don't. Also you when he backed off you said it was the scummiest thing to do despite claiming to counter his points on you. If he really was countered why is it scummy to go back to his primary scum read? Because the alternative is you feel like you didn't counter his points adequately and if so you would of mentioned it instead of claiming you won.In post 148, Anotora wrote:
His actual reasoning to vote for me? I argued with it and won, which is why he took the vote off of me in the first place. As for my read on him, don't be disingenuous. I've made no bones about writing posts that sometimes criticize -Grey- and sometimes praise -Grey-.In post 139, Garmr wrote:
But grey has such good town read right you think his points on pepchoninga were good from his perspective. You don't seem fussed with his actual reasoning to vote you in the first place. Seems like your just attacking here for a possible vote.In post 115, Anotora wrote:It almost seems like you're rewarding me for townreading you, by taking your vote off of me and putting it back on Pepchoninga. That's the scummiest thing you've done so far.
So basically you have thrown mud on your town read grey twice in a short span, One for vote hopping and one for getting off you.
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I was talking about rcs reasoning for voting firebringer not about grey.In post 155, Anotora wrote:
Read -Grey-'s post very carefully and tell me if you still think he was talking about Firebringer's vote and not RC's vote.In post 152, Garmr wrote:
His reasoning for voting firebringer was because firebringer didn't counter draw him (countervote him).In post 142, Anotora wrote:-Grey- and Garmr both use the same talking point(!) about RC's miller counterclaim. That is, "it can't be serious; if it was, then RC would have voted Firebringer."
But that's nonsense because RC did, in fact, vote Firebringer! Only four real-life minutes after posting the counterclaim! And RC's vote is still now on Firebringer!
You are pretty much misrepresenting the scenario here.
Grey Post #80 wrote:If you want to claim common sense, them common sense should have told you that a real cc would have been accompanied with a vote.-
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Would like to point out he willingly ignored half of the post. Maybe because he has the hardest time trying to distort these points into something else.In post 139, Garmr wrote:
Answered this yet you never bothered inquiring further into why not?In post 27, Anotora wrote:Garmr, why are your posts so fixated on Firebringer?
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It's much, much likelier that one of you two is scum.In post 36, Firebringer wrote:
What if we are both miller? O_oIn post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote: Also I cc miller so powerlynch Firebringer.
I feel like your just posting this shit to make it seem like your involved. Anyone who's not new can see rc is bull shitting at this point with the lack of vote.In post 50, Anotora wrote:RC, you serious about your miller claim? Because if you are then we have at least a 50/50 chance of lynching scum Day 1 and that's a great place to start.
engage in wifom then right off your own post as wifomy what's the motivation as town to do this. It seems counter productive and just looks like something someone would post to make it look like their doing something.In post 84, Anotora wrote:
I think it's more likely for a scum to claim miller early than for scum to counterclaim miller. This is in part because of how unlikely two millers are.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote: a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.
If Firebringer is scum, then claiming miller was a big risk for him that could also have paid off. On the other hand, if RadiantCowbells is scum, claiming miller would be a terrible move, since at best he'd get a mislynch on Firebringer and then be confirmed scum, and at worst he'd be lynched straight off Day 1.
It almost seems to me like we should put such a bad scum move past RC and vote Firebringer, but that's WIFOMy.
I'm not doing anything either way until RC confirms that his claim was serious.
1The first one shows that his interested in asking question for the sake of asking question and he doesn't care if the answer are right or wrong. I could of lied here and he would of never bothered to check. A town player who asks these sorts of things definitely would check. He ignored this because it makes him look bad even trying to engage it.
2.You did kinda engage with this topic latter but that still doesn't excuse these posts. Also they look like your trying to start a fight between them with out getting involved.
3.Points still hold really bad you ignored this and to add to that. It seems like you still wanted the wagons to burst between rc and firebringer.-
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......... It isn't hard to get.In post 160, Anotora wrote:
In other words, you're saying that RC only voted Firebringer because Firebringer failed to vote for RC after RC counterclaimed him. Okay.In post 158, Garmr wrote:I was talking about rcs reasoning for voting firebringer not about grey.
You and -Grey- have said that RC's counterclaim was obviously not serious. But if that's the case, if RC's counterclaim was in fact obviously not serious, then why would RC expect Firebringer to even care about the counterclaim, much less place a vote based on it?
Rc fake counter claims this is not a serious counterclaim because it is fake.
Fire doesn't vote rc. Rc believe a townie should vote his slot if they were miller.
Rc votes fire believing his logic is full proof despite the fact it's pretty obvious that it's a fake claim.
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Sounds like shitty justification to try and lynch a town or two. I'm starting to think you are pretending to not know that rc fake claimed when it's been laid out so many times for you.In post 162, Anotora wrote:Garmr, why shouldn't I want a fight to break out between the two same-claimed players? That's literally still our best chance of hitting scum today.
As for the business with questioning you, I don't see how that can possibly make me scummier than someone who isn't even questioning others at all. Like, say, srceenplay or RC.
Also I find it questionable that your way of defending yourself is to attack others.
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Oh ok. So if you know that rc is treating this game as a joke and you know his voting firebringer as a joke why is thisIn post 168, Anotora wrote:As in, vote to call the entire game a draw. That is, a joke.
RC is carrying on this joke for far too long and I am quite comfortable keeping my vote on him for now.
A legitmate reason for voting between the two. You have slipped up and shown you can comprehend that rc isn't serious about his claim yet your still willing to use it as a reason to vote him.In post 162, Anotora wrote:Garmr, why shouldn't I want a fight to break out between the two same-claimed players? That's literally still our best chance of hitting scum today.
As for the business with questioning you, I don't see how that can possibly make me scummier than someone who isn't even questioning others at all. Like, say, srceenplay or RC.
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I Would like to point out that anotora still has dodged a majority of of the points made against him and attacks others he def deserves a bigger wagon.
I will offer my opinion on screenplay. It wouldn't surprise me if screenplay flips town but he hasn't really tried to make contributions to the game. So I can see why town would want to vote him. My gut tells me if screenplay flips town anotora would be the start of scum jumping on and the three before him are most likely town.
I have warmed up to Pepchoninga while I have had a good feeling from alisae from his entrance. Firebringer is confirmed town in my book and everyone should treat him as such. Anotora I feel like is the scum on the wagon. I would think they are scum no matter the alignment of pepchoninga flip but a town flip makes them look worse.
@firebringer I think you have a bit confirmation bias with anotora you don't have to vote but at least consider all my points and discuss them with me?-
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Off the top of my head and so I can remeber how I'm feeling for latter
Confirmed town
Yoshi
Confirmed town to me
Myself
Solid Town reads
Firebringer
Alisae
Rc
slight town leans
Pepchoninga
-grey- his slot has been jumpy to me through but it hasn't dropped past a null.
scummy
Frozen angel- I think I have to elaborate on this one. Frozen has 30 post 8 pages in and she hasn't really put down a solid stance. Her vote is own me with no real serious reasoning for it to be there other than I voted her. I noticed that she was implying that grey was scummy but didn't jump on him in post 71. She ask for peoples opinions on players and does nothing with it. After this she is just defending herself from firebringers weak push (no offense buddy but your push on frozen seems kinda weak). Frozen angel to my memory is a paranoid player who is quick to push for reasons that puzzle me sometimes. She is not that she is not parinoid she is content with the situation she is in despite actually not hunting or anything. This is not a town frozen.
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In null he could be low hanging fruit or scum.In post 278, Alisae wrote:
Where the fuck is that Screenplay?In post 276, Garmr wrote:Off the top of my head and so I can remeber how I'm feeling for latter
Confirmed town
Yoshi
Confirmed town to me
Myself
Solid Town reads
Firebringer
Alisae
Rc
slight town leans
Pepchoninga
-grey- his slot has been jumpy to me through but it hasn't dropped past a null.
scummy
Frozen angel- I think I have to elaborate on this one. Frozen has 30 post 8 pages in and she hasn't really put down a solid stance. Her vote is own me with no real serious reasoning for it to be there other than I voted her. I noticed that she was implying that grey was scummy but didn't jump on him in post 71. She ask for peoples opinions on players and does nothing with it. After this she is just defending herself from firebringers weak push (no offense buddy but your push on frozen seems kinda weak). Frozen angel to my memory is a paranoid player who is quick to push for reasons that puzzle me sometimes. She is not that she is not parinoid she is content with the situation she is in despite actually not hunting or anything. This is not a town frozen.
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I am town I can guarantee it.In post 293, RadiantCowbells wrote:I really want Garmr to be town because I feel like if he is this will be both fun and an easy town sweep.-
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@rc If i'm going to be honest I don't really understand it.
@Alisae I would rather have night action sort screenplay (With the miller claim we can assume have a cop right). Id rather go for a active player who is more likely to be scum than a none contributer who as a = chance of being town as scum.-
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I can accept that as a possibility but that alone isn't really making me think obvious scum. I will keep it in mind through.In post 326, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh yeah @Garmr
So it's a really common thing that I've seen for scum to do to bring up how their buddy is scum then start addressing someone lynchbaity and vote them. I've heard it expressed as 'FoS a buddy and lynch a townie' although I heard that from MoI who was using it horribly inappropriately and nearly lost me that game so I'd rather use a different word for it. At any rate it felt like he was trying to play lip service to considering that wagon while continuing to try to lynch town.
I don't want you to be sorry I want an in depth explanation of why you thought it was scummy that I was still voting Firebringer.-
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I don't think she has asked any right question but lets go off what you said.In post 356, Anotora wrote:Not much, which is why I have a null-ish read on her.
Your two answer contradict. You acknowledge that she has been asking questions yet she does nothing with them. This does nothing to push discussion forward it actually cuts it off as soon as a question is answered.
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I can maybe agree with the first one but 2 and 3 look like generic bull shit he got through skimming.In post 353, Anotora wrote:Here's the sum up of what I think of all the active players so far, not that anyone asked.
-Grey-
+ Consistently good reasons for his votes, except obviously #94 is weird from my own perspective
+ Consistent tone
+ Independent of others
He has not been consistent in the slightest and he has been negotating and talking with rc and sheeped rc vote when asked. This isn't scummy what grey has done but it is the opposite of anotora narrative.
The first point and the third point contradict. I would argue the third point is exaggerated here as a whole alisar has contributed.In post 353, Anotora wrote: Alisae
+ Points out inconsistencies in others' play
? Wagoning the lurker
- Contribution is limited beyond "I like you", "I don't like you".
Has her as null yet only lists positives. Other than that previous posts have described this
Ignores points agaisnt him tries to frame himself as a victim and portrays my push against him as scummy becuase it's against himIn post 353, Anotora wrote: Garmr
- Only started building his strawmannish tunnel case on me after I pressured him at #128
+ Consistent productive activity
Generic shit to make it look like he has something to say on obvious alt. Good gut reads from a single post. Laughable.
After reading this seems like one of the only reasonable ones here. But my gut is telling me your shift to him is more a survival thing.In post 353, Anotora wrote: Pepchoninga
- Lots of non-substantial activity
- Says that he has a good read on -Grey- in #254, suspects -Grey- of a scumslip in #257, "it was a joke" in #262
- Acts extremely noncommittal and tries not to get in the thick of discussion. Has repeatedly expressed he wants a long day. #268 is abysmally bad.
- In #279 he postures noncommittally so as to maybe get on my wagon in the future. I think if he were town he would have straight up voted me instead of keeping the joke vote he's had on Srceenplay since page 3. Speaking of his srceenplay vote, he hasn't said a single word about it since that wagon turned serious. Suspicious.
What shit reasoning and your generic go to town read reasons produces activity and dependent of others.
Lurking when it's only been day one not really a strong sign. Not being active for one day isn't a sign of lurking. LUrking would be over the whole game and over a couple of real life days.In post 353, Anotora wrote: Srceenplay
- Lurking with non-substantial activity
- Does nothing when called out on this
- Sheeps onto wagons
Sheeping isn't scummy on it's on why is his sheep scummy is it becuase it's on you?
If he hasn't posted quality content do you expect him to care about being called out
I'm going to say your exactly the same You waited till screen wagon was active before placing a vote and you shifted your vote to pepo after other players started laying it down on him. Your vote patterns are oppertunistic and you were happily mudsling earlier until called out on it. You are scummy as fuck.In post 353, Anotora wrote: I didn't realize how strong of a read I would get going through Pepchoninga's ISO, but now I find him real scummy. I think his strategy is to wait for a wagon that has a solid chance of resulting in a lynch. In the meantime, he talks a lot but really says nothing.
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Seriously post 353 was the most rushed piece of garbage in the game. It's obvious this is ano panicking and trying to look town. But ano lacks the ability to fabricate reads as scum and uses generic shit like produces good content independent lol.
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Sheeping isn't a scum trait town can sheep as well. Also I'm town and I have budded up to firebringer because I want to make myself and firebringer a bigger threat to scum. If scum see's two town wanting to work together they will want to put a stop that because they are a threat end game to their existence.In post 378, Anotora wrote:"Independent" and "produces good content" are actual things I thought about the players when I read their ISOs. Believe that they came from my town perspective, or don't.
If you seriously think this, then you must think that buddying and sheeping aren't scumtells. Which would actually explain why you like my wagon so much more than Srceenplay's, I guess.Also how is independent a town trait and not a character trait.
Produces good content is to generic and can be applied anywhere. I would expect you to actually point out whats good content why it's good ect. Then again that would require thought which a townie would do and not a quick post to attempt to look town.`-
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How am I fake? Do you want to put substance in your post because I would like to hear your actual case against me. I don't like this new subpar frozen. It's funny how you say I will accuse you of omgus it's like your trying to shut down any future criticism of yourself. Will take a mental note that you actually didn't respond to any criticism of you.In post 395, Frozen Angel wrote:oh no its not the L3 wagon was on screen play
anyway
Garmr is so fake - some votes here will be appreciated. (the next post he will call this omgus even though I started voting him and pushing him first - look when I called it)-
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1-this wasn't actually a point the point was you gone so long with out a solid stance.In post 388, Frozen Angel wrote:
There are so many stuff wrong about this!In post 276, Garmr wrote:Frozen angel- I think I have to elaborate on this one. Frozen has 30 post 8 pages in and she hasn't really put down a solid stance. Her vote is own me with no real serious reasoning for it to be there other than I voted her. I noticed that she was implying that grey was scummy but didn't jump on him in post 71. She ask for peoples opinions on players and does nothing with it. After this she is just defending herself from firebringers weak push (no offense buddy but your push on frozen seems kinda weak). Frozen angel to my memory is a paranoid player who is quick to push for reasons that puzzle me sometimes. She is not that she is not parinoid she is content with the situation she is in despite actually not hunting or anything. This is not a town frozen.
- I always have so many posts in page 8! I always have so many posts - thats just a part of me always being around because of my state!
- I made multiple stances! I have sirious reasons for voting you but you never tried to engage about it with me yet. You shipped FB's paranoia on me when it shaped, You're early game posting seems incredibly fake and your RVS seems really forced. You didn't try to reach out to anyone - but you're trying to stablish solid reasonable reads on people (It's like you want to have the "reads" without actually doing the scumhunting.)
- I always poke smelly things and make conversations out of them. I was trying to make anotora and grey engage each other to see what they make out of each other. I beleive Grey is town and there is still chnace for Anotora to be scum - though if they were a newbie I would count that slot town without hesitation.
and I'm practically observing pacho and screen atm
I always say! "I won't vomit reads"
no what do you mean when you say I didn't stablish solid reads less than 24 hours into game?
- I ask players opinions about the actions players took (and when I asked RC and Grey there wasn't more than one action to comment on anyway) I was thinking Anotora is more likly town for being so creamy - but there were contardictions on their post that I highlighted. what is the thing you're accusing me that I didn't do with that information?
- I am the same frozen - not preg - nor depressed. I'm calm and I want to do this in a more subtle manner. Don't say my scum games were less noisy as my town games - cause thats a really creepy bad lie.
and yeah this is town me. I'm wondering if this is a news for you or not at the moment.
2a-No you really haven't at most you accused me of buddying grey because I town read him. I wrote this off as understandable through wrong in my head because it was early game. I responded with a light heart joke you joked back. You made no future attempt to justify your vote on me after the wagon and ignored me until you were brought into the spotlight.
2b- You accuse me trying to have reads with out doing the scum hunting? But it's pretty obvious I have been doing scum hunting and pushing my case. I have interacted with multiple players and developed reads from my interactions. This sounds like you are trying to make a excuse to stay on me but can't find a real adequate one.
3a. You find grey town ok that's fine but you find anotora scummy and you ignore the fact that I'm pretty much the one who started drove the wagon on anotora. I bring this up not becuase I want to be town read becuase of it but because it denies your narrative that i'm not engaging and forming reads if you do acknowledge my stance on ano.
3b. By the times you have posted a lot has happened I would expect better reads from you. You are the type of player who gets paranoid and with this amount of content I could see you actually get stuck into a player. Even no your offence on me is extremely weak and seems more like a defensive reaction because i'm raising awareness of you and people are like yeah i can see frozen as scum.
4.this is wrong on so many level. You ask opinions on what players think and don't follow up and you expect me to town read you because? You also expect to be town read for asking questions as well and not actually scum hunting because?
5-no i'm not saying they are less noisy. I'm saying your less noisyness here shows your are content with the game state and I don't think a town frozen would be content with her scum position in this particular scenario. Finally why did you even bring up anything about pregnant or depressed frozen I wasn't implying any of that or even thinking about it. So please don't bring your personal life into the game to try and try to make me look like a villain. I will accept a apology and move on with the game.-
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Great you don't say everything on your mind that's ok in theory but do you really expect me to believe that when you ask a question and don't follow up on it you are town? I honestly thought your vote was a joke at the time so I didn't care.In post 413, Frozen Angel wrote:I will tear your wall down into peaces - just cause the wall is harder to respond.
what I say is not exactly everyting on my mind. I voted you to see you're reaction to it and you didn't respond back. I was pushing other directiopns to see when and how will you actually try to communicate. I was waiting it to be brought to spotlight by you. You brought it up and used it to apeal to Fire and RC who knows me better - just to make them paranoid about me. Why me vote parking on you is scummy again in the first place? You know I was sleep when the game mostly progressed cause I'm in eurpe so - you obviously knew I couldn't change my vote during sleep and I never change my vote that fast even an RVS one unless if I feel its neccessary. Thats a fact about my vote in every single game.In post 407, Garmr wrote:2a-No you really haven't at most you accused me of buddying grey because I town read him. I wrote this off as understandable through wrong in my head because it was early game. I responded with a light heart joke you joked back. You made no future attempt to justify your vote on me after the wagon and ignored me until you were brought into the spotlight.
so no. all you're points are practically - and generally false. and the fact you're saying I had no reason to keep my vote on you is also false (cause I just told the reasons) but you couldn't know my reasons cause I didn't told them publickly
so instead of asking the reasons if you were wondering about it why you think that was scummy?
This doesn't ring a serious vote on me. So tell me frozen why would a town care about this sort of posting in rvs stage?In post 47, Frozen Angel wrote:early town read on Fire bringer.
its subjected to change but its good for now. the cookie trick worked as planned.
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No you can't cause its going to be on you
Also you pushing other directions laughable at best. You asked a couple of questions to other people to make it look like you were doing something. Don't feed me this bullshit about waiting for me. How dumb would someone be to actually believe that.
Then you make the excuse about you sleeping. You could of easily put some real reads out around 234 or changed your vote or put down real reasoning to keep your vote on me but you didn't because you thought you could keep out the spotlight.
Also isn't funny how rc said you could be scum with my point I brought up. I am town I want my scum reads lynched and/or considered of course i'm going to talk to other about it.-
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Lol your accusing me of it yet you have no proof that i'm doing that or show a hypothsis of where,when and why I'm doing it. Like you said that's a accusation. A baseless one and that doesn't hold in mafia because scum can use baseless accusations especially when your trying to reach for a reason to stay on me.In post 415, Frozen Angel wrote:
well I say you're having reads - and whatever else you're doing is attaching those reads to a suitable apeasable case.In post 407, Garmr wrote:2b- You accuse me trying to have reads with out doing the scum hunting? But it's pretty obvious I have been doing scum hunting and pushing my case. I have interacted with multiple players and developed reads from my interactions. This sounds like you are trying to make a excuse to stay on me but can't find a real adequate one.
I accuse you that you're doing the process vise versa (practically what scum do and what makes me feel you're scum - and what I called fake!)
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Lol really. I also forgot about grey being the first vote because he unvoted. But my point still stands that you didn't initially acknowledge my case on anora. You say believe it may be fake. So you acknowledge it could be real? Like come on do better than this.In post 418, Frozen Angel wrote:
I won't do preflip assumptions everIn post 407, Garmr wrote:3a. You find grey town ok that's fine but you find anotora scummy and you ignore the fact that I'm pretty much the one who started drove the wagon on anotora. I bring this up not becuase I want to be town read becuase of it but because it denies your narrative that i'm not engaging and forming reads if you do acknowledge my stance on ano.
thank you very much though
the reasons I scumread anotora - are completly seprate from the reasons I'm scumreading you. and you making a push on anotora means 0 at the moment. and no it's not. I don't like the way you're saying you're the first one who started pushing anotora when grey attacked her first and I started pointing out to their contradictions before you make that iso dive attack as well. I acknowledge your stance on Ano and I beleive it might be fake.
All your doing is saying stuff is fake with out attempting to prove why!
Lets be honest you have no real case against me. You say you have all these points against me but you never say them and all you do is cry how fake my points and reads are. Which makes believe you are making things up on the spot. Town don't make up shit on the spot to justify a read so you are scum.-
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I'm not referring to any of that i'm not using meta like you always do and not. I'm saying your comfortable with your position so you took a step back while a town frozen would push more and produce actual content and wouldn't let convos die.In post 423, Frozen Angel wrote:
well what you think about the town frozen angel is wrong or you don't think that about frozen angel but you're faking it! I won't tunnel people when I'm making reads less than 24 hours.In post 407, Garmr wrote:5-no i'm not saying they are less noisy. I'm saying your less noisyness here shows your are content with the game state and I don't think a town frozen would be content with her scum position in this particular scenario. Finally why did you even bring up anything about pregnant or depressed frozen I wasn't implying any of that or even thinking about it. So please don't bring your personal life into the game to try and try to make me look like a villain. I will accept a apology and move on with the game.
and I meant the whole past year of me in MS was a different me. If you are referring to my annoying game ruining attidue please stop. I don't want my personal life in the game and I just don't like the way you're using meta cause that tempered annoying crap is in the past. You saw a calm game of mine in blackflag remember - that will be the way I am in here later in game, Hopefully. I'm trying to be a nicer person generally.
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Ok starting vote wasn't serious do you expect a town me to act out on a none serious vote? Of course I'm not going to react so why did you say you waiting for me to react. You just changed your narrative.In post 427, Frozen Angel wrote:@Gramr
that starting vote was not sirious. It was a hunch that I didn't change cause I had nothing more sirious to hunch on.
and yes I pushed other directions and got reads out of it. It was 11/12 pm last night.
again I'm asking why me having no sirious read at that stage of game is scummy? cause its the defualt crap you're using in you're case.
and yes. I understand why RC has doubts about me. I understand why Fire is scumreading me and I actually can accept town!you scumreading me (thats not related to the fact I'm scum reading you at all nor my points about you). after like 50 games which I only got mislynched in once in a lylo (on ms) I'm ok with getting lynched and to die if thats what polish my meta.
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So you admit your accusation is baseless congrats. It's easy to see that your contentness to stay on a none serious vote is not town.In post 429, Frozen Angel wrote:
You're accusation on me is exactly baseless like that, nearlly no one in game made hard stances and you still refuse to explain why me having no strong reads last night was scummy.In post 426, Garmr wrote:
Lol your accusing me of it yet you have no proof that i'm doing that or show a hypothsis of where,when and why I'm doing it. Like you said that's a accusation. A baseless one and that doesn't hold in mafia because scum can use baseless accusations especially when your trying to reach for a reason to stay on me.In post 415, Frozen Angel wrote:
well I say you're having reads - and whatever else you're doing is attaching those reads to a suitable apeasable case.In post 407, Garmr wrote:2b- You accuse me trying to have reads with out doing the scum hunting? But it's pretty obvious I have been doing scum hunting and pushing my case. I have interacted with multiple players and developed reads from my interactions. This sounds like you are trying to make a excuse to stay on me but can't find a real adequate one.
I accuse you that you're doing the process vise versa (practically what scum do and what makes me feel you're scum - and what I called fake!)
You can generically accuse every player here of doing that.
and thats how I felt about you after you voted me with fire at start. I felt the same thing when you practically gathered what I forced antoro to tell in game to make a case against her which made you look townier. and then you make a case against me and you ask RC how he feels about that after stating you're townreading him without explaining your reasons.
thats what triggered my gut and why you deserve more pressure
Oh look another bullshit reason you just made up.
You can see through out my posts that I thought rc was town. You even highlighted one of my posts and used it as a example to explain why it's obvious rc is town.
See when you make shit up on the spot you get caught out.In post 88, Frozen Angel wrote:
I mean yeah practically what Garmr said. The whole miller crap is NAI atm and I actually can believe 2 town miller claims in a setup anyway.In post 79, Garmr wrote:What scum would want to counterclaim miller especially this early in the game. Also I know firebringer enough to know he wouldn't fakeclaim miller as scum.
pedit : thats what we call wifom anotora
are you an alt or a new player? (If you don't mind answering ofc)
Frozens now doing a scum tactic of posting hundreds of times on a page so players get burned out.
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It's part of the reason why I town read rc like it or lump it. Also you didn't prove anything and i'm not being a jerk. I honestly think your spamming is whats harming town. I think accusing someone of being a creep just because they scum read you and bringing none relevant topics about your own life to try and shame the other person and make them look bad is pretty low and would be worse than a jerk because it's that despicable.In post 437, Frozen Angel wrote:I need to leave now
will be back later tonight
bye!
pedit : ah I didn't say RC is town. I just said that the whole thing is WIFOMy. and if thats your reason for town reading RC you suck!
and my accusations is as strong as you're accusations on me. and I proved it. so yep congrats to both of us I guess.
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To be fair alisae anotora has been shade throwing at their town reads the whole game.
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Nah it's the best wagon here.In post 682, Firebringer wrote:Btw shit wagon-
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I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.
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It depends on the person the benefit is no one will counter claim you and if you survive a day or two you may get a mislynch or two then a counter a counter claim latter on.In post 766, Alisae wrote:
I think scum would have just flat out claimed if they had a PR role because it's relatively safe. Sorta WIFOM tho.In post 765, Garmr wrote:Actually you know what I don't oppose a pep wagon. I just don't want my scum read anatora to fade into obscurityabout a subtle yet intintional power role drop with out a claim. Scums capable of doing that to lol.because people are being pussies
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I think saying because anor l-2 they weren't in a postion to claim is a noobish conjuncture. Rc took the vote off i suspect to prevent derp hammers. So any one saying but it's l-2 being completely an utterly noobish.
That being said there pepo With his recent activity i can see him being scum.
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I thought you said no more emotional break downs and you got better over time? Well I'm slightly pissed off with you for ruining a enjoyable game because no one is listening to your shit opinions.
If your town- Your paranoia saying of me scum is really bad your case was bad even you admitted it. You tried to justify it while ignoring all the logic and cried when people can see the obvious (that i'm town) and at the end of the game or when I die this will look even worse because of my town flip.
If your scum- you bit off more than you can chew by thinking you tackle with me this game. Your inconsistencies in your case exposed you as it was obvious you weren't expecting such a backlash. No how your having a hissy fit because you couldn't frame a townie.-
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it is a emotional breakdown because if it wasn't you wouldn't of claimed and been dramatic. It would of been best of you to do something else like keep it in or replace out or find a positive way to express like hunting even harder.In post 886, Frozen Angel wrote:this is not an amotional break down.
I've never been clamer ever. I'm thinking clearly. I changed my read about you cause my points weren't matching after our discussion. did you miss that garmr? and no I didnt try to justify it and I never cried to anyone - before our interction I asked for pressure to have that intercation with you.
I had not even a single inconsistancy and not even a single scummy thing and I'm not scum. Don't be pissed off. My lynch is better for you all. Let me go so you have a less mislycnh bait in later days. at this rate I will just cause the town loose and my existance is harming the town. - my points about grey all are accurate and definite, after my green flip please check him out -.