Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

just got my new computer in time for this game lets gogogogogo

[Nosferatu]

wait really? I was so sure I hadn't gotten another PM before that one and that you had culted Zachstral and found out he was mafia that way O____O

I still...kind of think you're trolling me tbh.

-tama

Regarding what? I'm confused on what you two are talking about.

VOTE: Nosferatu DIE.

I'm hurt.

[Nosferatu]

just got my new computer in time for this game lets gogogogogo

Why is your avi so cute?

#Frozen

bouncing sickly immortal magicians tend to be cute.

[Nosferatu]

reading disjointedly

I can't tell you what to say

I'd expect people to question it at least a little or have ideas on what to do with it, though. I feel like that's normal

expected wrong apparently
VOTE: dunn

-"tama"

wixoss?

Dark magic is probably just the scum's factional kill. Scum can probably also use regular spells normally.

I have a problem with this but I can't articulate it, which bothers me; so I'm going to regress to a younger state of development and call you and idiot.
idiot.

I saw a little girl sleeping on the floor of her mother's deli today.

that was cute.

My mother would've elbow dropped me if she found me sleeping on the floor.

[Nosferatu]

ignore ironic typos pls

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: dunn


your mother would have risked missing and breaking her arm

very true

[Nosferatu]

same

like not even page 5

also don't have any issue with iron claim and don't get how everyone else seems to

[Nosferatu]

Let's play a game of Good Cop, Bad Cop.

I'll be the Bad Cop

Maria can be the Good Cop.
~G

it doesn't work if you tell us before hand :/

[Nosferatu]

[quote="In post 109
@Nosferatu Other things had happened in the game. Dunn was a good vote on page 1 following the post you quoted... It's like 3 pages later and you chose that of all things to follow up on? Also; you just negated any pressure Dunn might have felt from the wagon forming on him by claiming you don't scumread him for it. So you're wagoning for the sake of wagoning? What do you expect to get from that?[/quote]
idk how page 1 is apparently so much different from page 3 but that's irrelevant cause I just needed someone to shitpost about and vote.

[Nosferatu]

[quote="In post 109
@Nosferatu Other things had happened in the game. Dunn was a good vote on page 1 following the post you quoted... It's like 3 pages later and you chose that of all things to follow up on? Also; you just negated any pressure Dunn might have felt from the wagon forming on him by claiming you don't scumread him for it. So you're wagoning for the sake of wagoning? What do you expect to get from that?

idk how page 1 is apparently so much different from page 3 but that's irrelevant cause I just needed someone to shitpost about and vote.[/quote]
im a posting god
broke mafia scum
mod has been lynched
town win

gg

[Nosferatu]

Anyone who thinks Dunn didn't scum claim in that post is scum with him.

~G

gg im scum

[Nosferatu]

drealmerz7 stands apart from the group that wish to become evokers gathered in the great chamber. He watches them all, studies each of them carefully, and takes it all in. He hears them talk of spells and the trial that is upon them as if they were adolescents organizing a game of kekbal.

Evil is here, there is no question. We are served with a task and we must begin it immediately. Distractions only allow the enemy to grow it's advantage. And there is no doubt, they are at the advantage. Only the most skilled will survive, that is apparent, he just hopes that the strength of the uncorrupted will prevail over the influences of darkness.

Unobserved and in one flowing yet subtle gesture, he focuses his powers inward and then casts them outward. No words are spoken, but the impact is felt by the entire group.

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

I was physically pained by reading this.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: dreamer
ok get this the fuck out of here

[Nosferatu]

like, wtf, your avatar is your signature, that is how I'm identify and sort you in my brain - no special treatment

you must not be paying attention then, tama is the one on the right

[Nosferatu]

or is it left? directions confuse me. you get the joke whatever

[Nosferatu]

Firebringer is a shitposter.

This one is making halfassed overtures to content.

Is this really why you are scum reading me?

you are pretty serious this game and its really unwonted and uncharacteristic.

sadly I have no idea if they're town or not
-Tama

quandaries of the century.

[Nosferatu]

dunno how I feel about wisdom not spamming the thread too.

so many metabreaks

>firebringer tryhards on [fire assassin]
not based on my last few games with him

>and i don't think someone being blatantly different like that is likely to be a real cause for SR or TR
I think its cause for scrutiny though

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu is even lying about meta here. Street Figher (although I had outburst), I was very serious in.

you weren't nearly as serious here as you are here fam
you had serious runs in that game, here you're serious throughout.

[Nosferatu]

^Why

same

[Nosferatu]

sadly I have no idea if they're town or not
-Tama

quandaries of the century.

how was this bad?

[Nosferatu]

Your reaction implies focus on people's reads on you (which was supported by a lack of direction in your posting from when I ISOd you earlier) and a lack of sincerity. The latter could be because it was joke-esque, but it didn't feel like it flowed naturally.

well you're half right; I tend to respond when people talk about me, a sort of cocktail effect.

as for sincerity idk what there was to be sincere about.

[Nosferatu]

Your alignment? Your internal reaction to someone saying they don't TR you?

-tama

do you start to townread people because they say they're town?

[Nosferatu]

No, but I start to scumread people when I think responses look like they put time/effort into trying to look town.

And when they dumbtell about why I think something.

did me calling your dilemma over your read on this slot a "quandary of the century" seem like me putting time and effort to look town?

[Nosferatu]

No, but I start to scumread people when I think responses look like they put time/effort into trying to look town.

And when they dumbtell about why I think something.

did me calling your dilemma over your read on this slot a "quandary of the century" seem like me putting time and effort to look town?

It looked like you paying attention to your response. No one else is questioning what I mean here and my trying to explain it cogently would probably be a wasted effort.

You're still on a liability-vote. Or do you think drealmer is scum?

yeah but you literally just said you scum read people for spending effort to look town. shitposting ironically about your indecisiveness over your read on me isn't very convincing in any universe, unless you're willing to explain how. This line of questioning was me trying to make you realize how fucking stupid your scum read on me is.


>idk how i feel about nos
>problems of the century right here
>that response is scummy because its insincere and implies you pay attention(??)
>how is a joke supposed to be sincere
>you should be sincere about your alignment
>do you townread people when they say they're town
>no but I scumread when they put effort into trying to look town
>does my response seems like putting effort into trying to look town
>it looks like paying attention to your response (wtf does that even mean)

do you want me to be sincere or not? On one hand I'm supposed to help you town read me(??) and then on the other if I'm trying to look town that's scummy. If you don't see the clear dichotomy in your arguments idk what to even say.

Also dunn was not a liability-vote but dreamer is.

Just played a game with him where we were both scum...... he might be scum again based on what I'm seeing

not true at all, my last scum game with you was me being a lurksack. This is actually closer to cowboy bebop mafia cause in that one I shitposted for awhile too, but I didn't even read that game, and I'm clearly reading in this one.

[Nosferatu]

that's not a wisdom quote

[Nosferatu]

meant to respond

dunno how I feel about wisdom not spamming the thread too.

Dont have time for anything other than skimming till around monday

kk

to this

[Nosferatu]

that's not a wisdom quote

or a nosferatu quote now that I look at it closer.

[Nosferatu]

The liability is your underestimation of ability.

the liability is the fact that I don't like to read your posts.

[Nosferatu]

That you didn't even address me and try to work with me and be like "hey, I have a problem with this because...", and are so quick to write me off (in the hopes that others agree and you can build a quick lynch? I can't help but wonder), is scummy.

You jumping to lash out at me for a vote on you that I'm not pushing for a lynch on is pretty scummy.

[Nosferatu]

Dark magic is probably just the scum's factional kill. Scum can probably also use regular spells normally.

I have a problem with this but I can't articulate it, which bothers me; so I'm going to regress to a younger state of development and call you and idiot.
idiot.

So I went back and saw 51 which sounds possible that he knows more than I do about the evil faction. Those 2 posts together warrant my vote.

The reason for my FoS - 87 it sounds possible that Nosferatu is scum-buddies and is GRRR at scum-buddy for talking as they did and this is their way of saying "yooo, careful!" The FoS only becomes meaningful if I am right about BTD6, if I'm wrong about BTD6, it will make Nos a townlean for me because yes, I too "have a problem with this", but I can articulate it, that you can't seems questionable.

scum has daychat so there's no point to coach in-thread.

? I'm not lashing out at all. I'm addressing things. Your vote on me is the lash-out.

:/
k.

[Nosferatu]

not true at all, my last scum game with you was me being a lurksack. This is actually closer to cowboy bebop mafia cause in that one I shitposted for awhile too, but I didn't even read that game, and I'm clearly reading in this one.

I wasn't in cowboy bebop mafia

I saw you in street fighter

I wasn't scum in street fighter :I

[Nosferatu]

Nos, can you work on articulating what you feel is off/wrong about BTD6 (or whatever wording YOU want to use, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth) ?

I don't have a problem with BTD6, only that one post. I'm not focusing on you or him; I'm not focusing on anything and I prefer to keep it that way.

If I were to articulate it, it would probably be that its such a weird and specific assumption to make.

No, but I start to scumread people when I think responses look like they put time/effort into trying to look town.

And when they dumbtell about why I think something.

did me calling your dilemma over your read on this slot a "quandary of the century" seem like me putting time and effort to look town?

It looked like you paying attention to your response. No one else is questioning what I mean here and my trying to explain it cogently would probably be a wasted effort.

You're still on a liability-vote. Or do you think drealmer is scum?

yeah but you literally just said you scum read people for spending effort to look town. shitposting ironically about your indecisiveness over your read on me isn't very convincing in any universe, unless you're willing to explain how.

Where did I "shitpost ironically"?

That one response isn't the ONLY thing that makes me feel odd about you and I think I said that.

do you want me to be sincere or not? On one hand I'm supposed to help you town read me(??) and then on the other if I'm trying to look town that's scummy. If you don't see the clear dichotomy in your arguments idk what to even say.

When in the world did I say you need to help me townread you intentionally?

Also dunn was not a liability-vote but dreamer is.

No but dunn was an RVS vote, wasn't he?

If it makes you happier, I can say it was gut, because that's what I would have if given the choice originally.

-Tama

I was talking about me when I said "shitposting ironically".
when you said I wasn't being insincere with my alignment, what did you want me to do? This is my issue, idk what you want from me and I'm not sure you do either :/
yes dunn was an rvs vote
get a gut transplant

[Nosferatu]

scum has daychat so there's no point to coach in-thread.

insurance if a player isn't sure their bud is reading the PT - and then you just WIFOM the coaching point as you just did while at the same time:

it also becomes a convenient spot to plant a town-cred seed for later (because you didn't articulate what you saw wrong with it AND your comment came after my vote is what allows me to think is - you could be anticipating the problem with BTD6 and trying to get ahead of it)

I'm not saying that I think it is all this ^, I'm just pointing out that such a consideration is in my awareness.

that's great that you consider that, but its a bit reachy.

pedit: ye pretty much, the tl;dr of that game was: I lurked, said I was going to lurk beforehand, my scumbuddy decided to bus me, pointed out I was lurking, whole game piled on me, started to fight back, but it was kinda late, was about to get lynched, and then game is cancelled for the clutch.

[Nosferatu]

Uh

You were pretty lurky in street fighter too?

I remember I incorrectly tunneled onto you

It looks like you're trying to say you're not scum because you're not lurking

ok lets re-look this line of thought here:

either I'm scum cause I look like I did in SF
or I'm town cause I look like I did in SF
you need to fucking pick one.

SF was a town game of mine. Make up your fucking mind about how I look in this game in comparison to others.

You started out saying I'm suspicious because of how my play is similar to SF. I name a scum game of mine that is actually kinda similar and I said it was cause I shit posted. idk how shitpost == lurk to you but that's irrelevant. Now you're somehow bringing the lurk factor back into SF, and now saying I'm trying to argue I'm not scum because I'm not lurking, which isn't even remotely possible if you have a semblance of reading comprehension.

So be decisive with where you're pulling out random shit from.

[Nosferatu]

You were not getting roped that day. we could have roped nacho

:T

[Nosferatu]

you're right, I got confused when you said:

I wasn't in cowboy bebop mafia

I saw you in street fighter

but anyway lets bring it back to your original post then, how is my play here similar to my play in space mafia.

[Nosferatu]

You're not really contributing even though you post and you latched onto a "liability vote" without really saying you think they're scum

I haven't latched onto anything. I made a vote and said why. I don't know if dreamer is scum, but at the time I would've preferred them gone. I don't see how you find that scummy.

I'd say I'm contributing, but I can see why you would say I'm not; I haven't discussed my own reads or given any to make this game into the hotpot of ideas and intellectualism that it was meant to be, but I'm contributing to existing discussion and am forming my reads from that so that they're well founded when I do decide to give them. Quite frankly seeing as you've played a game with me before I don't see why you think I would hit the ground running with reads, since I've only actually done that like, once.

[Nosferatu]

>hotpot of intellectualism and idea
that felt like writing a research paper on pre-WWI germany.

[Nosferatu]

Voting someone you "want gone" for roleplaying instead of who you think is mafia is what I have a problem with

You don't have reads, true, but you're also not prodding or looking to figure things out

So you know I don't have reads and you're still upset that I'm not voting who I think is mafia.

gg.

I am figuring things out. I just don't have to initiate conversation to do so.

[Nosferatu]

Voting someone you "want gone" for roleplaying instead of who you think is mafia is what I have a problem with

You don't have reads, true, but you're also not prodding or looking to figure things out

So you know I don't have reads and you're still upset that I'm not voting who I think is mafia.

gg.

I am figuring things out. I just don't have to initiate conversation to do so.

You should have reads by now, though

well I don't. I can certainly make some up if it makes you feel better though.

[Nosferatu]

Nos didn't seem to be implying here that he found BTD scummy for the post; just that he thought he was an idiot for it.
~Ruko

^^

[Nosferatu]

k
VOTE: sondam

[Nosferatu]

General resistance, there didn't seem to be much. The votes came in a seamless fashion.

I count about 5 people who don't want this lynch, thats hella resistance fam.

[Nosferatu]

Well rn I'm reading them through how others are interacting with them
And they're solid town

then wouldn't you need to have reads on basically everyone who interacts with them to then read them?

[Nosferatu]

TIL you need meta to think someone sounds scummy

[Nosferatu]

:^)

[Nosferatu]

Well rn I'm reading them through how others are interacting with them
And they're solid town

then wouldn't you need to have reads on basically everyone who interacts with them to then read them?

TIL you need meta to think someone sounds scummy

First post seems scummy but the second IDK it feels frustrated but it also feels fake.

second one is not supposed to be frustrated. Like at all; don't read for tone if you're not good at it.

[Nosferatu]

ftr this is the game where I dunked both Dunn and Nos. I was the only one who pinned them both as maf , which is a reason they could be fear lynching http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68519

~G

you didn't dunk shit. You got mislynched cause you were bait, and you were unbelievable as fuck. I got lynched cause there was a result on me from an OP town role. Don't misrep your own fucking meta man.

[Nosferatu]

NC/NOS what's the vote for? BTD can you point out the votes again for me and show me what you thought was opportunist about it
~M

I didn't have anywhere I wanted to apply pressure so I decided to help someone else apply some pressure of their own.

[Nosferatu]

Here's an exercise I'd like to try: everyone on the Sondam wagon say who you think their buddies are in your next post.

I'm gonna say two of {not chara, ironstove, prism}

leaning towards the first two.

[Nosferatu]

sondam might be just terribad town and the scum team might just be {not chara, ironstove, prism}. Not entirely sure. Fine lynching any of those 4 though.

[Nosferatu]

ftr this is the game where I dunked both Dunn and Nos. I was the only one who pinned them both as maf , which is a reason they could be fear lynching http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68519

~G

you didn't dunk shit. You got mislynched cause you were bait, and you were unbelievable as fuck. I got lynched cause there was a result on me from an OP town role. Don't misrep your own fucking meta man.

Wtf are you talking about, I was never lynched. I died because I weak roleblocked you and was the only one who fos'd you lol.

~G

ye u right, I forgot almost no lynches happened that game. From what I remember though, your scum read of me was terrible. It was basically just OMGUS. Completely unsubstantiated. You just kept calling the whole town stupid and kept fosing people who scum read you. Not a huge threat in my book at all.

STILL waiting on Nos, Chara to out their reasons for scumreading us. Nos can you not deflect? That was an obvious deflect. You don't vote someone just to add pressure to someone elses scumread.

~G

that's not a deflect. Do you know what a deflect is? You asked me why I voted and I told you; there's no deflection there.

sondam might be just terribad town and the scum team might just be {not chara, ironstove, prism}. Not entirely sure. Fine lynching any of those 4 though.

So to be explicit, you townread all of Batoru, Dunn, BTD6, Gamma, Dreamers, Fire, Wisdom, and pisskop?

Suggestion of anything ironstove/me is borderline hilarious.

VOTE: Nosferatu

no.
Town {Wisdom, pisskop}
Townish{drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, BTD6_Maker}
TBD{Fire Assassin, ironstove, Dunnstral}
Scummish{BATORU, Prism}
Scum{Sondam, Not Chara, ironstove}

[Nosferatu]

I don't like sondams responses to pressure rn; not chara is extremely noncommittal in their iso; iron is objecting to sondam wagon for pretty shitty reasoning and just flip flops around.

Iron x Prism because their interactions look like scum distancing to me: opposition just for the sake of itself. His initial vote is after his pretty bullshit analysis of #359. His reasoning that he provides to dunn is literally the same reasoning that wisdom provides for sondam wagon, which is none at all. And yet he opposes sondam wagon. Not because of reasoning but because it was "easy to run up". I also interpreted #555 as sort of banking on sondam's townflip sorta prematurely, but it's pretty weak and is also the only reason I have to suspect prism, which is why I explicitly said I was leaning towards not prism.

[Nosferatu]

sondam might be just terribad town and the scum team might just be {not chara, ironstove, prism}. Not entirely sure. Fine lynching any of those 4 though.

Yeah dude, nice backtracking. "haha this person im voting might be town but let me keep voting them over my other scumreads xDD"

~G

your idiocy is amazing.

Sondam (5):

Not Chara, Dunnstral, Nosferatu, BTD6_Maker, pisskop

Wisdom (2):

Gamma Emerald, Sondam

ironstove (1):

Fire Assassin

BTD6_Maker (1):

drealmerz7

Nosferatu (1):

BATORU

Gamma Emerald (1):

ironstove

Dunnstral (1):

Prism

drealmerz (1):

Wisdom

tell me where the fucking wagon on iron stove, prism, or not chara is. I fucking thought so, there is none. Why the fuck would I go to start a wagon on a scum read, when I can stick to the one that's already started and not divide the votes more than they already are.

honestly, think before you post, jesus.

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu: if you're busy doing partner associations, why am i on a scumteam with Sondam? because i voted them, and sat back and let their lynch wagon grow? 'noncommittal' is very vague.

i mean, i've changed my mind on that read a bit now, but i communicated that after you said we were on a team.

I individually scum read you. Prism x Iron is the only actual associative. I just scum read you, sondam, and ironstove enough to say you could be a team.

we have six days left. you aren't being railroaded into picking a lynch right this moment. are you scumreading Sondam, or aren't you? if you have them at null, or if you're thinking 'maybe they're dumb town', i don't see why you wouldn't attempt to press elsewhere.

more importantly, i really dislike this response. the hostility is unwarranted and you don't actually clarify your Sondam read.

Doesn't matter what the deadline is, why should I spend the extra effort to lynch one scum over the other?

I acknowledge the possibility of being wrong with my scum reads pretty often, doesn't actually indicate the strength of the read.

Town {Wisdom, pisskop}
Townish{drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, BTD6_Maker}
TBD{Fire Assassin, ironstove, Dunnstral}
Scummish{BATORU, Prism}
Scum{Sondam, Not Chara, ironstove}

I don't need to be clear about my sondam read; I already listed pretty much all of my reads here.

[Nosferatu]

Town {Wisdom, pisskop}
Townish{drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, BTD6_Maker}
TBD{Fire Assassin, ironstove, Dunnstral}
Scummish{BATORU, Prism}
Scum{Sondam, Not Chara, ironstove}

this would be a better readlist if you swapped drealmer and ironstove

we'll see.

[Nosferatu]

i don't see why you couldn't put them both in the same post.

^^

[Nosferatu]

i don't see why you couldn't put them both in the same post.

^^

like I said, I could have

it was for effect, decidedly

those paying attention, when reading the 1st post, will realize it is a joke (because it's a frikken JOKE, addressing the mod about me thinking a player has HACKED THE SITE because he claims to have seen my PM... I mean, ...yeahhh....)...the 2nd one is just a re-iteration of it being a joke for those who are in doubt - anyone else is probably scum looking for a reason to paint me as scum!

your post happened at the same time, I couldn't have read your explanation lol

[Nosferatu]

scum: Dunn, Nosferatu, pisskop
null: BTD, Sondam
town: Frozen/Gamma, Prism,

BATORU

, drealmerz, Fire, ironstove,

Impoetic

, Wisdom

i'm caught up, essentially. and now i can properly play.
Sondam, if you keep asking me for reasoning while i'm not present, you won't get reasoning. but i'm here now.
my issues with Sondam were actually quoted by Dunn: i didn't like the tone of their posts, by not liking their entrance i meant their posts in general up to that point, i didn't like them referring to themselves as 'obvtown', and it seemed a good early-game vote. that they reacted to the votes with 'what are you doing, i'm obvious town', made me ask why they were.

VOTE: Dunnstral

calling Wisdom 'afraid' of Sondam is ridiculous. that isn't how he plays, from what i've seen.
i wouldn't want to wagon Sondam right now, after finishing catching up. they're a slot i believe i'll have trouble reading.

Wisdom: why is pisskop town? i feel the opposite.

This is a decent return
Welcome to my townpile

why is this a decent return

also bolded brought me physical pain.

[Nosferatu]

@gamma emerald: UNVOTE: sondam

is my slot townier now?

[Nosferatu]

almost
VOTE: sondam

[Nosferatu]

MOMENTUM
VOTE: Not Chara

[Nosferatu]

this gave me an image i didn't need

[Nosferatu]

how has dunn slipped a dark power and which one has he slipped?

[Nosferatu]

if it helps you out, since you're scum most of them are wrong

[Nosferatu]

940: why? it's just a normal post with thoughts and reads. either alignment can do that. what was towny enough to unvote for?

I'm just that good man.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Sondam

[Nosferatu]

it's more effective if the wagon is on yourself, but it's still very doable and valid and should be done

you should be analyzing wagons at all times, how the build, who builds them, how they fall apart, stall, etc. it's all relevant and all helps paint a more accurate picture

and then you get a flip and you have all of that in your "notes" and it makes everything even more clear - if you're playing that way, and many do

I do when I feel like it, but I need to build meta-reads to be better so not doing it here very much in depth (more just in my head)

Pedit: I know you're talkng to GE, but, no, the VCA just supports the rest of the scum-read on you, it's not the leading factor, it's a supporting factor

with no fucking flips doing VCA is guesswork are you high?

[Nosferatu]

No, it's not the VCA that makes me sr you, it's your lack of presence early game.

I hope so lol

[Nosferatu]

ironically gamma is probably the one with the best reasons for a pisskop vote

[Nosferatu]

with no fucking flips doing VCA is guesswork are you high?

ohgeez another one

yes I'm high

and yes, you can do VCA without a flip

well...I can...

ironically gamma is probably the one with the best

outwardly expressed

reasons for a pisskop vote

ftfy

ya got me

[Nosferatu]

I don't think any sort of 1v1 with sondam is going to be productive unless its only maria talking, and that still might just be a waste of time.

gerry is a broken record as town or scum so I don't think it's very telling.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Prism

Is this a viable wagon? I would rather this over Pisskop.

ytho

[Nosferatu]

{ironstove, prism, sondam, not chara}
^ will vote the leading one of these 4

[Nosferatu]

I'll be honest here, I'm defending Sondam mostly cuz I want to piss them off with my ability Night 1. I'll actually form a read on them tomorrow k?

inb4 roleblocked because of saying this
gg

[Nosferatu]

Nos'
~Ruko

*nos's
yw

[Nosferatu]

if sondam's town I'm going to be focusing on iron tomorrow and I'm going to request that you guys do too if I'm not around.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: gamma

fuck this man

[Nosferatu]

actually,
UNVOTE:
pisskop (3): drealmerz7, BTD6_Maker, Sondam
ironstove (2): Fire Assassin, Prism
Prism (1): Sickofit1138
all of you, collectively, what the fuck are you doing?

VOTE: sondam
I'll be on at deadline so if all the vanity wagons get their heads out of their individual asses we might be able to lynch some scum.

[Nosferatu]

anyways, that's my scry spell on gamma and I believe I've found mafia

Just to double check, there's nothing that lets you target without showing up in the spellbook besides a scum kill, correct?

no it isn't.
VOTE: dunn

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Nosferatu

Nos cast a spell on beeboy/gamma

yeah, a spell called scry

[Nosferatu]

yes, because I no longer have scry and beeboy's corpse does.

pedit: if you did you would've voted me in your first post

[Nosferatu]

I kind of believe you both.
What are odds of both you having scry and visiting same person?

Both of you need to elaborate on targetting gamma/beeboy.

I targeted pisskop first but then I realized gamma was townier and probably a nightkill target, so I switched my vote to him.

The info was received in was the Night 1 End PM.

format was "[name] visited your target during [night]"
you know what goes in brackets but can't quote PM.

[Nosferatu]

I kind of believe you both.
What are odds of both you having scry and visiting same person?

Both of you need to elaborate on targetting gamma/beeboy.

there would be a 2-shot somewhere in beeboy's spellbook. Dunn is scum.

[Nosferatu]

I mean I target them before I die, so the spell would've left my hands, entered theirs and then they die, according to night action resolution.
pedit: there you go.

[Nosferatu]

I gave them the spell when i cast it on them, and they died with it

We lost the spell but caught scum

can't lose a spell you never had

[Nosferatu]

Like mechanically it should be obvious that I'm town and nos is scum.

[Nosferatu]

Like mechanically it should be obvious that I'm town and nos is scum.

Why mechanically?

~Ruko

Like mechanically it should be obvious that I'm town and nos is scum.

No, I think you saw that beeboy had the spell "scry" on him.
Knew he was watched.

Decided premptively claim that you had watched the person and knew who targetted them, waiting to be CCed then say "Yeah, nos targetted him".

Thats what looks like what happened.
You would vote him outright if anything else.
I see no purpose in waiting beyond finding out who the person your ccing.

Imagine that I'm scum and nos is a townie who scry'd me to the kill

I come out and say I used scry


And then what? I start prod dodging? That's a scum claim

If I were nos and nos were town, he wouldn't have cc'd me for a 1v1 - because I've already claimed scum

But he's not town, and so he had to cc me as fast as possible

literally makes no fuckin sense. There's no reason for me to not cc you, since I've lost my power and scum isn't prioritizing me for the nightkill now since I'm a VT.

[Nosferatu]

I targeted pisskop first but then I realized gamma was townier and probably a nightkill target, so I switched my vote to him.

How was Gamma townier?

I really don't see why you, pk, and Fire seem to think so.

~Ruko

other people townread gamma more than they did pisskop I thought. People also were more willing to go along with gamma. pk was almost lynched and was consistently discredited the whole day; scum wouldn't kill him, but they probably would gamma.

[Nosferatu]

idr if anyone else was in Soccer Spirits Mafia, but I immediately cc'd someone in that game when they claimed to vig scum, when I vigged them. It turned out that we both vigged him and we were both town.

[Nosferatu]

Yo before we lynch can we direct me please

I targeted DS last night

I'm a vig

I just steal vote n1, then they die n2

HOLY FUCK NO YOU FAGGOT I KILLED HIM
VOTE: BBmolla

probably fucking scum votestealer who wants to get some town points by stealing credit FOR MY FUCKING VIG.

NOT TODAY BITCH

I don't tend to let time pass before cc'ing.

[Nosferatu]

Yo before we lynch can we direct me please

I targeted DS last night

I'm a vig

I just steal vote n1, then they die n2

HOLY FUCK NO YOU FAGGOT I KILLED HIM
VOTE: BBmolla

probably fucking scum votestealer who wants to get some town points by stealing credit FOR MY FUCKING VIG.

NOT TODAY BITCH

I don't tend to let time pass before cc'ing.

This is a pretty stark emotional difference to here.

~Ruko

I was 14 when I made that post. Prone to frequent emotional outburts from hormones.

Why not join me on BTD, didn't you have him in your list?

absolutely
sure, I'll let you do more on pissk with your experience and join you on BTD

UNVOTE: pisskop

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

what the fuck are you doing.

[Nosferatu]

Why not join me on BTD, didn't you have him in your list?

absolutely
sure, I'll let you do more on pissk with your experience and join you on BTD

UNVOTE: pisskop

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

I have a guilty on nos

no you fucking don't

[Nosferatu]

nope.

[Nosferatu]

if Nos used Scry, who did he see targeting beeboy?

the fuck? Dunnstral? Cause he killed him?

[Nosferatu]

I kind of believe you both.
What are odds of both you having scry and visiting same person?

Both of you need to elaborate on targetting gamma/beeboy.

I targeted pisskop first but then I realized gamma was townier and probably a nightkill target, so I switched my vote to him.

The info was received in was the Night 1 End PM.

format was "[name] visited your target during [night]"
you know what goes in brackets but can't quote PM.

are you even fucking reading

[Nosferatu]

why do I need to say "dunn targeted beeboy" if dunn claims a scry and I claim that he didn't? It's implied. I cannot describe how frustratingly stupid this town will be for lynching dunn over me if it does indeed happen.

[Nosferatu]

if Nos used Scry, who did he see targeting beeboy?

the fuck? Dunnstral? Cause he killed him?

was waiting for full catchup to sink in for NC

and yet Nos never claims a guilty on Dunn. he simply ccs the ability, and votes for that. there was no 'i saw Dunn targeting beeboy/Gamma', which,

though redundant

, is something i'd expect from a player who actually received that report.

then there's that Dunn would have no reason to cc a town ability used by a living player, because it would immediately result in a counterclaim and Dunn's lynch the next day, if he did manage to get Dunn lynched over him.

you just fuckin explained why I shouldn't have to spell out for you what happened!
Dunn literally has to cc if he wants to live!
What the fuck?!!?!

[Nosferatu]

not chara
ya got me
I don't actually have a guilty on dunn.

the person I actually have a guilty on, is james earl jones.

*gasp* JAMES EARL JONES?!?!?!
you might know him as the blind guy from sandlot, or darth vader's voice from star wars; but he is actually a ruthless killer and has murdered our fellow townie beeboy!

I tried to be ambiguous to not shock the town, but your raw analytical prowess has defeated me.

Your affinity for deep cognition has defeated my attempts at obfuscating the truth, and for that you should be commended.

[Nosferatu]

Nos's "no you didn't" doesn't feel like something someone with a guilty would say. why leave it up to implication? or toy with the idea that both of them had been town and used scry?

yes, I certainly brought up the possibility of us both being town by me VOTING HIM IN THE SAME POST

STOP TRYING SO HARD JESUS CHRIST

[Nosferatu]

if I thought dunn could be town why am I VOTING HIM WHAT THE FUCK
honestly stop posting while you're high holy shit

pedit: I'm literally weezing

[Nosferatu]

WHERE DO I SEEM LIKE IM TALKING TO SOMEONE TOWN YOU ARE SCUM AS FUCK KID

[Nosferatu]

WHERE DO I SEEM LIKE IM TALKING TO SOMEONE TOWN YOU ARE SCUM AS FUCK KID

you haven't said why you brought up Soccer Spirits where you and town cced each other.

your sarcastic responses and insults haven't been 'calling me scum'. they've been insulting me, and not much else. saying i'm 'trying too hard' is another one.

one of you is confirmed scum. even if scum Dunn succeeds and you get lynched, what exactly do i gain from arguing against it? a mislynch on a VT? dunn goes down, then i go down. i'm not an idiot, though you seem to think so.

idk what the fuck is going through your skull right now

I brought up soccer spirits for the reasons I said in the post; because I don't like to let get away with fakeclaiming. And I don't wait around, which was pertinent to the discussion at the time.

why you keep trying to find ambiguity where this is none is a mystery to me if you're town

just because I'm calling you a fucking moron doesn't mean you stopped being scum. Just means you started scumposting and dumbposting simultaneously. Why you are trying to make it seem otherwise is a another mystery to me.

Yet another mystery is why you waited this long to vote me if you've obviously thought I was scum from the get go and previously said I scum claimed.

But we can't all figure it out like you can

[Nosferatu]

I did immediately claim what

I guess? I wasn't really responding to a particular post, I remember it being a part of the convo

[Nosferatu]

whatever, I'm done for today if you guys want to waste time making this a 1 for 1 trade between me and dunn, so be it. Not wasting my time getting aggravated talking to you guys.

cy@

[Nosferatu]

holy shit VI squad

[Nosferatu]

Nos or dunn is not even questionable about their lynch. Nos first. then he flips town then dunn. Pretty sure nos is scum over dunn

Why is nos scum over dunn?

the way that he claimed immediately after dunn. Dunn is like one of my highest TRs - Nos really isnt. That was before the 1v1

And thus, VI squad.

[Nosferatu]

Nos is pulling the 'haha, you're so stupid, i can't believe you'd think this' performance, but it doesn't feel like he's really laughing.

yeah he isn't laughing.
He is angry and posting a lot of sarcasm mixed with passive aggressive attitude.

Its not really meant to be humorous from what I see, its trying to get the point across that you are ridiculous.

^^
also true

[Nosferatu]

do you mind if we kill you, Aj?

aha

finally, some intelligent thought from your slot.

[Nosferatu]

@Batoru I read Nosferatu as town due to this latest batch of posts, I don't think Nosferatu is good at doing the whole AtE as scum, and I don't think I have seen him do it quite frankly. The only thing that kind of makes me think its fake was you pointing out to him the reaction to a cc in a different game was much different, so he may be just trying to up the emotion for it to seem more "real" but again, I don't think thats likely.

I read Nos as town day 1 by how he played, activity and presence and thoughts.
I compared this game to a game where I had him as a scummate and it didn't match up.

So your D1 read on Nos is partly meta as well? I didn't like most of his D1 play. Felt like a lot of coasting, and I hated how he talked Tama around in a circle to keep her from her original points. That might not be so hard to do as town on accident though, idunno... It just felt like he was very eager to lead her in a way that she talked about the addition to her read rather than the meat of it, and I hated it.

What game was it?

~Ruko

Hard to lead someone away from their points when they don't have one

[Nosferatu]

My real spell is called find the f*gg*t and I used it on you last night and got a positive result for HIV/AIDS

I have no tolerance whatsoever for behavior like this.

Now seeking a replacement for ironstove.

roasted

[Nosferatu]

But it is a slip. Nos was thinking of himself as the lynch instead of me subconsciously and so he wrote it down

lolwhat

how about I see more votes on me than you so I'm evidently more likely to be lynched

[Nosferatu]

we have an hour. and i don't see how you're so confident about either of those.

I'm usually really confident about my townreads.

Dunn has been town all game and the soft with multiple abilities and "watcher"? I mean how does anybody think nod is town at this point come one.

@Prism idk I need to ask some questions.

@Gamma

what was the name of your ability? And why did you use it on me and not iron?

These 3 posts are the reasons you are not worthy of your slot. jsyk.

[Nosferatu]

But it is a slip. Nos was thinking of himself as the lynch instead of me subconsciously and so he wrote it down

lolwhat

how about I see more votes on me than you so I'm evidently more likely to be lynched

why do I need to say "dunn targeted beeboy" if dunn claims a scry and I claim that he didn't? It's implied.

I cannot describe how frustratingly stupid this town will be for lynching dunn over me

if it does indeed happen.

Read the part in bold. His defense here doesn't make sense

If you still don't get it, he's saying town would be stupid to lynch me over him. And I have to agree with him, but probably not something he wants to be saying in his position

oh, ty for letting me know I made a typo

its supposed to say

me over dunn

[Nosferatu]

idk maybe you didn't catch that.

[Nosferatu]

Like seriously though can we like, actually lynch scum? Cause that'd be great for idk, the town win condition?

[Nosferatu]

If your role was "watcher miller"
What would you claim at the start of the game/day 1

If your role was "miller"
What would you claim at the start of the game/day 1

btw when i said "watcher" I was softing the scry.

Note that nosferatu had nothing to say about this.[/quote]
you got lucky.

[Nosferatu]

If your role was "watcher miller"
What would you claim at the start of the game/day 1

If your role was "miller"
What would you claim at the start of the game/day 1

btw when i said "watcher" I was softing the scry.

Note that nosferatu had nothing to say about this.

you got lucky.

EBWOP

[Nosferatu]

After calming down and looking back,
I should've asked dunn who he saw target beeboy.
This situation is the fault of my own impulsive actions. I'll remember to not immediately cc next time. Dunn would've had to dodge around the question had I asked him or even better, let someone else ask first.
I'm sorry that I had to put the town at such a disadvantage from this 1 for 1 trade. There's actually probably nothing I can do at this point to try and fix what's happened here, and I really doubt that this post will affect those who scum read me. This is mostly just for me.

---

I'd like to apologize for those I mocked for their inability to see from my point of view. Although those were my true thoughts, and I do think lesser of you guys for what's happened in this game, I acknowledge that I shouldn't have gotten so upset, since you guys really can't know any better. Yes, sickofit. That includes you too.
A special apology is due to Not Chara, who is playing their win condition so well, that they actually made me upset by their methods. I really should've expected this kind of behaviour and posting style and there was no real reason for me to mock you especially.

I'd also like to make a special address to Dunn, who has been miraculously lucky in naming a watcher in his example, and then remembering it to throw back to it as a crumb. I should've crumbed and not doing so is a bad habit of mine.

Finally, I'd like to name the few people who are actually winning the game for town, pisskop, FA, and Wisdom, if only he had been here now. May his slot rest in peace. For those still with us, I am sorry that at least one of you will have to continue living throughout the game.

---

I hope this will not be my final post, and I plan to post again after this, but in the case of the unfortunate, I just want you all to know,

I will not feel any more disappointed in this town than I already am.

[Nosferatu]

certainly interesting, but I am still going with Nos as scum out of all of this

all those aggressive 1-liners, then the re-address of calm and logic - I smell BULLSHITS all over it

do you mind if we kill you, Aj?

aha

finally, some intelligent thought from your slot.

don't try to romance me, scum! *wink* (being playful, in the light of your semi-insult!)

After calming down and looking back,
I should've asked dunn who he saw target beeboy.
This situation is the fault of my own impulsive actions. I'll remember to not immediately cc next time. Dunn would've had to dodge around the question had I asked him or even better, let someone else ask first.
I'm sorry that I had to put the town at such a disadvantage from this 1 for 1 trade.

I mean, look, I know well enough how to play around someone I think is fake-claiming so I don't seem like a fake ccer and all that. He just got you, and now you've FINALLY figured out how to logic around it all to make yourself look clear. Which, is what happened BEFORE with the claiming. He's a step ahead and his step ahead is clearing him in my view.

So, when you insult my ability to play the game, and then make 2 gaffs in a row like that ^ - yehhh, you're just a wiggling scum, pretty sure

that wasn't really an apology so much as a guilt trip, particularly the last line.
it doesn't look genuine. everything said is with the purpose of not being lynched, and i don't see real emotion. if Nos is scum i guess i'm just not connecting to him, but usually i'm pretty susceptible to AtE.

it's incredibly dramatic considering Nos's town flip guarantees a Dunnstral scum flip.

that and apparently i'm posting in some sort of 'way' so as to antagonize Nosferatu because i'm emotionally-manipulative scum.

I meant that you were playing to your win condition in the sense that you are overwhelmingly biased in your scum read of me over dunn, which I should've guessed since you guys are scum buddies.

Ate aside, you really think I "got lucky" by softing in a bunch of my posts and the watcher thing while nos conveniently didn't soft anything?

Like I know you're weak to ate but don't let it delude you. Move your vote back to nos please

mentioning a role isn't crumbing lmao

[Nosferatu]

we have an hour. and i don't see how you're so confident about either of those.

I'm usually really confident about my townreads.

Dunn has been town all game and the soft with multiple abilities and "watcher"? I mean how does anybody think nod is town at this point come one.

@Prism idk I need to ask some questions.

@Gamma

what was the name of your ability? And why did you use it on me and not iron?

These 3 posts are the reasons you are not worthy of your slot. jsyk.

Oh thanks scum for letting me know that I'm not worth of my slot for... pushing scum?

Town doesn't act like this. Jsyk.

first post: saying you're confident about a scum read you are straight up wrong about
second post: saying dunn is town and saying I'm scum, also wrong
third post: asking gamma questions when his death is

the

the two lynch options for today are me and dunn.
You don't push scum in any of these posts. I hope you feel at least half as disappointed in you as I am.

Nos.

Can you claim completely if you havent?

Nothing more to claim.

[Nosferatu]

we have an hour. and i don't see how you're so confident about either of those.

I'm usually really confident about my townreads.

Dunn has been town all game and the soft with multiple abilities and "watcher"? I mean how does anybody think nod is town at this point come one.

@Prism idk I need to ask some questions.

@Gamma

what was the name of your ability? And why did you use it on me and not iron?

These 3 posts are the reasons you are not worthy of your slot. jsyk.

Oh thanks scum for letting me know that I'm not worth of my slot for... pushing scum?

Town doesn't act like this. Jsyk.

first post: saying you're confident about a scum read you are straight up wrong about
second post: saying dunn is town and saying I'm scum, also wrong
third post: asking gamma questions when his death is

the

reason the two lynch options for today are me and dunn.
You don't push scum in any of these posts. I hope you feel at least half as disappointed in you as I am.

Nos.

Can you claim completely if you havent?

Nothing more to claim.

[Nosferatu]

that meticulous AtE appeal was constructed.

AtE appeal is redundant. You're saying "Appeal to Emotion appeal."
just thought you should know.

[Nosferatu]

I liked the part where the watcher spell caught me

same

[Nosferatu]

I really need to stop rushing to cc shit man, I was suspecting pisskop scum and I had a scumlean on batoru. This game might've turned out good if I had not let my frustration overtake me. Getting tunnel vision on not chara was another mistake.