Got some breakfast, pretty stoked.
In post 1572, Monokuma wrote:Ooonnneeeee is the loneliest number that you'll ever dooooooooo
Twooooooo can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number oneee
Hey look, more words!
In post 1573, mastina wrote:Oh, and:
Aeronaut, Aristophanes, Secret Agent Jin, BTD6_maker, drealmerz, Monokuma:
Right now, you should be focusing on two things:
-Convincing us why you are town. (Yes, this is normally inadvisable, but in this case I'm demanding it: show us why you're town.)
-Tell us which players you don't want to be written off as town and why. If they're named Nacho/Gin/Prism/Fate/mastina, expect to be ignored. Otherwise, I will in fact listen.
-Tell us which players, if not the names you said not to townread, you
would
be comfortable making a townbloc with.
Anything else you do, literally ANYTHING else you do, will be a waste of time and effort. Those three things? Those three things are what you need to do.
Why am I town?
Well for a lot of reasons, but namely, I'm trying to solve the game when a lot of the game isn't.
The easiest, and most effective way to read someone in any game, but especially more active games like this one where it's easier to hide, is simply to ask one question: Are they trying to solve the game? You can add onto this by saying, does anything they do add up? If someone is asking pointless questions, making pointless remarks, stating the obvious, or not following up on anything they do, that's a very good target for pressure, because that pressure will either get a town player to do stuff, or a scum player to crack.
I'll start by telling you exactly who in this game is trying to solve the game:
Prism, Mastina, Nacho, Aristophanes, Drealmerz,
to a degree, and
Gin
to a degree.
All of these players to me are trying to do something to further the gamestate; Everyone but Drealz is doing it decently effectively. Having said that, even though I'm 99% sure drealz is just wrong, he sure as hell is pushing for it and trying to get something out of it. I'm of the opinion that everyone on the Mastina wagon, and most of the people on Fate were/are scum who are just keeping their vote there and doing nothing with it; but when I look at Drealz, that's someone who thinks Mastina is scum. He's been pushing hard for 70 pages.
Curious what happens with him now that Mastina is confirmable, but I guess that's something to watch.
Gin is someone who I don't quite understand the motivations of, especially early game, and as of right now, I don't understand the reads of him as Hardtown (granted I havent gotten to the jam sesh yet). I think his play in the midgame up until when I'm posting this has been more improved in that I can understand why he's saying and doing certain things. Most importantly though, he's pushing his reads a lot harder / more effectively than was so earlier on. Looking back, I think the best example of this is in
1022 where he's pushing the Ari case, and while I didn't really agree with the case, I can see it making sense if you don't know Pisskop. More importantly though, he was pushing for it. Same thing with him bringing back his case on Jin more recently; I think it's easy for scum to sit back and let that happen on it's own naturally, whereas Gin was one who took the initiative and started it.
People I'm in the middle with;
Fate
Fate, I've talked about, but I guess I'll mention again. I don't see a lot of instances where Fate is solving the game. His last couple postings have been basically mirroring stuff I say and not much more, which is kind of worrisome to me, especially from someone of Fate's rep. Having said that, one or two posts of his give me reason to believe that there's a method to his madness, namely
945 where he sort of explains his push on nacho as being to sort him, which seems really believable to me given how baseless it initially seemed to me.
929 and
1341 also seem like a glimpses into what Fate's doing, or at least that he's doing
something,
and has, you know, made conclusions based on those things.
Then he makes posts like
1293 that completely come from left field. I don't know what to do with those posts, besides ask myself whether that's scum motivated, which I'm not really sure about right now if I'm being honest. It's certainly not enough to make me want to lynch him, and I do feel, to an extent, like fate is trying to figure some things out.
People who
aren't
solving the game:
Secret Agent Jin, BTD6_MAKER, Monokuma, SirCakez, Vaxkiller
Jin is pretty self explanatory; he's not here. Normally, I really would despise a lurker lynch, but since we're at that point in the deadline, I feel fine with it as it stands.
Sircakes is similar to a lot of the people below in that I feel like I'm reading the hollow shell of a player. I see questions asked, I see answers given, but none of it adds up into someone who's trying to solve something to me. He's another one of the people who are jumping from fate to mastina, with the added edition of either stifling the discussion, or just complaining about how the discussion sucks without contributing to it. I feel like I've watched him play a really good game before, and maybe it's been awhile, but I usually can talk to him and get him to listen to me. Here, he's just a mindless tunnel-drone that's tunnel-droning on either Mastina or Fate, whichever is easiest.
BTD6_Maker has contributed almost nothing; half of his game was spent arguing with Mastina over the validity of setup spec, and then scumread her for it. He didn't answer
either time I asked him why he thought her spec was scum motivated, and has given minimal to no opinions on anything else in the game, besides Gin which was "his next scumread besides Mastina". Basically, him SRing mastina for setup spec is not getting him anywhere with reads, and he's not doing anything to help that.
Vax is the most apt example of what I'm talking about when I mention the scum on the Mastin or fate wagon. For example, his Fate push was another piece of garbage that just further convinces me that Fate is town.
Here's what I'm talking about. It's mostly non AI stuff, or stuff that really just straight is objectively false about Fate's gameplay this game. That kind of case exists just to be a case, and not to get any real substance or reaction out of Fate. The same is true with his mastin case. There are no other cases he has; he's very, very clearly just flipping between Fate or Mastina, and not drawing any sort of conclusion out of it.
Mono, as I've said, is coasting. I've never seen Road Kamelot in anything, but I've seen Nahdia be this active engaged player and nah, this isn't that. All we get from that hydra is little commentaries and cryptic reads with nothing really backing anything up, more often than not it's as if they flipped a coin. The most notable thing they've done in the game is the short-lived god-awful fate push that was based either on one luke-warm interaction between fate and pine, and Fate not answering their question or something. Either way, the push was weak and pointless. When I asked them about it, they didn't answer, which means they either just aren't reading the thread very well, or don't care. If they did answer, we all know it'd probs just be some snarky mystical bear bullshit non-answer.