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Post #2227 (isolation #410) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:48 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
rc townread comes from being way more engaged in the game and actually making sense compared to previous experience
like i think that's kind of a shit reason to tr someone (especially because lack of engagement in 1718 could be handwaved by v/la BUT ALSO the C9++ game was going on at the same time so idk) so unlike schadd_ i'm not as crazy about it because schadd_ makes as much sense in my head as it does when i write it down
but when someone literally sees the same shit i do (wrt schadd_ and basically having the same reads sans our own slots)?? i tend to townread that
plus scum!RC just felt different
he had this control over the gamestate in 1718 when all he did was prodge and subtly force a no lynch
every one of his posts just had a clear goal of manipulating ppl emotionally and like I could tell even at the time but i thought it was nai for RC
there's some element of that here (at least i feel it because a lot of my play has been motivated by fear/wanting to get out of your way) but it's not the impression i get as an overall thing here — i figure thats the part of it thats playstyle
if you need like me to pull out specific quotes to explain why i think they're town i can do that
but yeah here i dont get the feeling you're intentionally dragging us to hell - your misreads make sense and your thought process reads as genuine in essence
NL is because i'm worried that i'm misreading terribly because i don't think casserole is that scummy besides that one post and the fact i think everyone else is more town
hammertesting ultimately does the same thing (confirm my trs and confirm cassielle/giga dipole) but it's more risk and betting the game on town!rc is just something that leaves a bad taste in my mouth even if I do townread you? I wouldnt oppose playing 4-way and it always benefits you to BUT on the same note it always benefits me to NL. i don't mind not acting in my self-interest because i'm still a suspect. no one is scumreading you any more so it's generally preferable to work in your self-interest because most people are sure you're town. dunno if that makes sense
i actually feel shitty for giving you that eternally-paranoid townread based on reputation and fooling me before because i literally stopped playing with my face-to-face group because I kept getting policy lynched because i was the only one who could actually play scum without having obvious tells so i like i at least have... sympathy...? for getting scumread for stuff like that even though it's 100% different when the skill level is different and it's strangers vs. close friends (this was also a large factor in townreading you last time)
ok im typing this large ass rant and i lost my place and i dont feel like rereading to remember where i went so if you need elaboration just tell me what on
i think you're town because the way you're moving through the game reads much differently than before but a good portion of it is based more on gut and i usually don't trust my guttier reads especially if it's an rc townread
schadd_ townread feels more "objective" to me in that it is both based on gut and stuff i can point to in-thread and say "this is town because x y and z"
i don't feel as confident about you because i can't explain it but if what i've said isnt enough i can try to explain what makes it "feel right" via quotes like i said
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Post #2229 (isolation #412) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:54 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 910, RadiantCowbells wrote:I want Creature or Cassielle. I can settle for TB but the only reason I really want him is because it feels like scum don't want his lynch.
actually can you go back on why you felt this way
Grey/Cass means TB wagon was all town
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Post #2233 (isolation #414) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:01 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
btw i dont think it being all town is illogical; schadd_ wagon made zero sense because we never heard tb's scumreads' reasoning and Creature is just humanized paranoia who would avoid an ""easy"" wagon like TB
More just general feeling after reading the game. I can't put words to it but I also townread slots.
Most of what gets me going on certain things is just having a feeling about something which is usually based on similarities between things people have done.
in terms of words i dont get this but I also Get it and feel the same way??
ive like skimmed the game today i cant deepread it
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Post #2235 (isolation #415) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:09 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
yeah it probably wasnt AI nor did i think it was but i brought it up because you posted seldomly yet had so much power over the town you shouldn't have
and that selfmeta puts what i was trying to word pretty well
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
In post 1251, schadd_ wrote:-grey-: i'm leaning town. we have someone on dominion forum that's very similar (argumentative, likes to tick people off, pulls shit like 1131) and he is more helpful and easy to deal with as scum, to the point of being a tell. obv they're different people though, but that's the parallel that i have
this is really spot on for grey tbh but it's far from a surefire tell if that makes sense
In post 1279, Raskolnikov wrote:I know the explanation for the read on you is pretty accurate from my own experience. A lot of those are similar tells to how I read you.
But I don't think faking townreads is particularly difficult, if you have experience with a player especially and know their meta. If based on past games the expectation is for them to easily read you I don't see the read as anything unexpected, especially if there was the incentive of trying to buddy as well.
agreed w/ the sentiment here in general
do you think my townread on creature has been used to buddy him?
mattblackguy wrote:Giga, isn't Grey like conf scum now?
I wanted to see if you would try to defend him or not.
I still don't see how a townie can call someone scum, and then a little later say that they don't want to lynch the person they called scum.
why would i defend him if i pointed out the initial inconsistency though? dgi
also cassie i'm basically on the same page wrt matt/rc. plus matt's last few posts are kinda..............
i think jumping from voting me and saying {creature/grey} buddy the next day to voting grey over a perceived scumslip is just such an "easy" thing to do i would totally expect it from newbscum, and 1312 just pinged tf out of me
If I squint really hard maybe casielle? I haven't really re-read yet (i'm just getting back into my groove) but the line she had earlier where she didn't know that bussing early on was a really bad strategy in this specific set-up pinged me a bit that she could possibly be bussing herself. she's giving me mixed feelings now though (as in she's kind of towning it up) so i'm not super crazy about it
other than that no one else really strikes me as a plausible partner which is why i'd be ok going along with a creature lynch
grey's townread of me is really icky still but he's 100% not a mbg partner
i'm pretty sure you and schadd_ are town
so that basically leaves creature and casielle
i'd cut these down but lolphoneposting
but it should be obvious that A: I asked grey about his read on me because he never explained why he even had it and his explanation was utter shit and B: i was trying to call out grey's bs but he made 0 sense as a matt partner and matt's "isn't grey confirmed scum now" still feels super scummy so i'd vote that before an iffy meta tell
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Post #2296 (isolation #427) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:54 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2266, cassielle wrote:weak af, not sticking to any read, you say "oh yeah thats -grey- all the way! but its not really a tell. and i dont like him townreading me" -- its casting a tiny bit of shade and nullifying an argument brought up in favor of the slot
?? schadd_ said he was townreading him and i basically said that was a bad idea
same thing. "no hes not confscum -- but i dont like the posts" it says nothing about your read except that it probably isnt "obvtown"
nobody is confscum w/o a guilty from confirmed town... saying i don't like his posts means he's scummy??? what else would it mean
i dont see that as saying anything in particular about -grey-, its more saying that mbg's argument there is bad. also, mbg later points out that CREATURE pointed out the inconsistency, you did not, which nullifies that argument
i pointed out that I did point out the inconsistency later because I did
and the last one is treating him as unlikely to be scum even though you dont like the townread he has for you, it STILL doesnt say anything about your reads.
it says that i scumread him but not as a partner to my top scumread at the second
it all adds up to "approximately null but im suspicious so maybe very light nullscum", except for the last one which says "town by PoE but scummy town"
no it doesn't, it means "scummy but not scum with my top scumread" which doesn't mean i'm townreading him, it means i'm scumreading him until matt flips town
In post 2261, cassielle wrote:conversely, gbT claims -Grey- was strong townreading them all game long
i never said this??
i said he had a weird townread on me D1 that didnt make sense
In post 2262, cassielle wrote:oh and ftr -- wrt gbT's d1 -grey-reads, they were dismissive-leaning-town because of GAYreen and liking -grey-'s posts. theres no -grey- scumread there. after all, if there were why would gbT sheep -grey- on d2 start?
ive only liked gayreens posts - the only good stuff from grey was his fight with you because i didn't like YOUR contributions from it and because i'd expect grey to get into a fight like that as town.
and where tf did i sheep grey i still don't understand this
like i'd respond in full but i just feel misrepped instead and i can't really argue with that
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Post #2308 (isolation #428) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:34 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
i don't really see the issue with schadd_'s play today?
like the possibility that grey could have bussed him hard today since he was going down anyway is something that's crossed my mind but i don't really see it
Raskolnikov wrote:I think I'll just try once more today and we can end the day tonight or tomorrow for sure, I won't drag this out
tyt my life's slowed down significantly so i don't mind either way
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Post #2318 (isolation #433) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:59 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2317, Raskolnikov wrote:I thought it was "-grey wouldn't bus" but now it's being taken as though even a bit of distancing is too much lol.
Not to mention, couldn't his partner just have requested him to distance a bit? Would -grey- just ignore something like that if his partner wanted a bit of it planned?
I really don't know much about -grey- but there has to be some truth in the meta if both RC and giga bring it up
i mean i was saying he doesn't like to distance/throw shade as his partners even
thought that was implicit in saying he'd inno an obviously scum partner
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
In post 2332, Raskolnikov wrote:does -grey- buddy people? is -grey-/cass actually reasonable as -grey- manipulating and/or tying himself to cass rather than just being partners?
d1/d2 and d3 before I outed my results, not anything after
I think it's a fairly NAI comment for me to admit that I'm probably one of the least friendly people on the site.
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Raskolnikov wrote:does -grey- buddy people? is -grey-/cass actually reasonable as -grey- manipulating and/or tying himself to cass rather than just being partners?
d1/d2 and d3 before I outed my results, not anything after
i mean he tends to buddy me/passively townread me as scum like he did here so i would say yeah that's not unreasonable
the way he did it though doesn't feel outright manipulative though?
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
In post 2335, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i mean he tends to buddy me/passively townread me as scum like he did here so i would say yeah that's not unreasonable
I'm gonna be real with you here, Giggles.
I always townread you. It's a weakness of mine to have difficulty separating my personal opinion of a person with my read on their alignment.
aww~
well not
always
but
your reads on me as scum are always weak
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Post #2343 (isolation #441) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:17 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2342, cassielle wrote:and finally -- "it means i'm scumreading him until matt flips town" is backwards, weird and wrong in all sorts of ways. i have to really beat the hell out of that sentence to get a logical meaning out of it. rephrase?
i think, individually, grey and mbg are scummy
grey/mbg does not make sense
mbg is scummier than grey
therefore vote mbg first, if he flips town then vote grey, otherwise grey is probably town
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Post #2345 (isolation #442) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:21 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2342, cassielle wrote:ou both voted my slot very early d1, and -grey-'s vote had more content, if it HAD been sheeping it would have been ultra suspicious. it wasnt, again, my bad.
do you mean d2? just trying to parse your post
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Post #2369 (isolation #443) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:07 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2367, Raskolnikov wrote:When I think individual reads though it's just hard for me to see cass scum... she definitely did a good job if she is.
yeah this
and i'm not really mad either way this ends up
Raskolnikov wrote:Giga was kind of energetic early d1 (but as scum I can see that for earlygame myself) but since then faded into a kind of blob of whatever
i realize this is better to say post-game but this is not ai for me specifically
i thought you looked through my games? i know i've kind of faded away like i did here in other town games before
i mean here a big part of it is knowing that i was going to get lynched endgame and not really being able to figure out who the team actually is but like i can fight through that demotivation most of the time
Raskolnikov wrote:Well, overall I'm not really sure, but I guess I'd lean towards it being gigabyte... In her other scum game she seemed to prioritize partner interaction and building a good association, in pregame said
we have to interact with each other A LOT. we know each other irl but we have to do everything to sort each other out so it shouldn't be too hard to fake.
and tried to engage a fair bit.
In the context of THIS game I could see her having said similar to gayreen pregame and the interaction they had earlier d1 as gigabyte trying to encourage this. Then gigabyte's thing about grey "you've been ignoring me, etc", "you really do have weak reads on me" so on and so forth I could see from giga being conscious of her partner ignoring her and leaving that association, possibly annoyed (well if it was me I'd be annoyed, at least).
if this were the plan wouldn't it make more sense to discuss with grey what kind of answer i would have found "good"/push it earlier in the day?
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Post #2371 (isolation #444) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:08 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2370, Raskolnikov wrote:the only thing that's maybe weird is the townbloc thing, but if its a townbloc with you and your partner in it, and people you want to buddy (creature?) it makes sense I guess
and gigabyte vanished off the surface of the earth when I was getting wagoned even though she said she townread me pretty hard earlier and wanted to include me in that townbloc
I remember that, the appeared just the moment after I got forced to claim lol, like nice timing
i was asleep <:/
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Post #2374 (isolation #445) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:21 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
no those stats are true
In post 2372, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not saying being demotivated is AI. Just that, when multiple people look town, the shallowest and easiest-to-fake seems suspect.
i meant the sudden change but like i get why you think it's scummy
i'll link all of my games
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Post #2382 (isolation #448) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:40 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2377, Raskolnikov wrote:It's just, I'm not going to put that much time into metaing when I'm getting killed, and even if I make a conclusion, maybe it influences people, maybe it doesn't (and maybe its wrong)
fair enough
just wanted to make sure you didn't miss anything
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Post #2406 (isolation #455) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:12 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 2402, Raskolnikov wrote:it mean it's not about what I read, since I won't be there. it's just giga now said she isn't 100% sure on narrowing it to cass+her, and if she is town I was wondering if it'd help her.
lemme try to explain what i'm thinking right now
my thinking it's cass is like 90% PoE
i probably could not write a case explaining why her ISO is scum because that 10% of her play that i find scummy is not really something i can articulate into words
no lynching wouldn't help much. hammertest and just end the game if we're that far off
schadd_ i'm pretty sure scum can nokill but idk what his ruling of it repeating is
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess