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[mozamis]

hey winners
Catching up...

[mozamis]

Wouldn't the mod tell us if scum have daytalk or not?

And yes scum have there own thread but it's not like they see the whole playlist what's your point.

Confused town. ( I mean, we all have the option of seeing the playerlist, right? But you'd think that scum would check the playerlist, whilst some town might just dive in. Plus, I don't think the mod would tell us if scum had day talk?)
Whatever. Point being, Sonic seems confused, and that's a town tell.

[mozamis]

Yep, agree that Pine looks town for taking Cabd literally, and thus showing his ignorance of playerlist. Scum know stuff, town don't.

[mozamis]

I'm finding Alisea a bit too jovial for my liking. Bit TOO jokey, maybe forced heartiness, bit nervous?

VOTE ALISEA

[mozamis]

Gamma could be scum. As of p5, seem to be a lot of info w/out analysis.

[mozamis]

Your posts when I voted were drive-by and shallow in nature. They still kinda are.

Exactly!

[mozamis]

Gamma could be scum. As of p5, seem to be a lot of info w/out analysis.

Could be town catching up. Can we slow down to accomodate?

Good call, I will stop posting unitl I have caught up, the thread is big.

[mozamis]

Sorry, last post for a bit. And while I'm here, Coludkicker town? Frustratingly opaque posting style, but seemed spontaneous...

UNVOTE

Right, moz out.

[mozamis]

ah jeez, guys...
you're all so bloody ENGAGED in the game. Can't everyone just lurk the shit of it for a while lol

[mozamis]

Fuck Chicago winter.

I'm back and thawing out.

Nero; by "buffer" you mean on what wagon?

It's got to be better than this depressing place. We hardly ever get decent snow, but it's cold, and dark, and wet, and grey, and cold and dark...
Britain...what a effing joke

[mozamis]

Tywin scum? He seems to love asking lots of questions. And setting up Cloud - obvious mislynch bait. I mean, sure my immediate response to Clouds first post was : oh, fuck this, let's lynch him, because grammatically it's painful shit. But easy or difficulut to read has nothing to do with town or scum.
I'll keep my vote on Alea for now but may well change to Tywin when i finish my catch up.

[mozamis]

I don't think that gladiator thing is real is it?

ah makes me nostalgic for some mental large game i played a few years ago when every other player seemed to fake claim lol Town got decimated, obviously, but it was funny stuff. Pretty sure a cop was outed lol

[mozamis]

Townies (why only townies? Scum too) don't like walls because they don't like reading

Its a massive waste of time normally.

[mozamis]

Still, you're writing a lot, so you must be town!

[mozamis]

VOTE TYWIN

Verbose scum. Unacceptable.

[mozamis]

Still, you're writing a lot, so you must be town!

If this is not a joke, lose it.

Ah, sarcasm without verbal inflections, always a mistake...
Yeah, it was a joke.

[mozamis]

I'm not really liking Titus. From what I remember, she is a strong player and yet she gives the impression that she is foating along with the crowd a bit. My recollection of her as town was she was more of a leader. It's not a big scum rwad but she goes into the "possible scum pile".
(I mean, she thinks Lapsa is scum, why not get a wagon going on lapsa?)

[mozamis]

*floating

[mozamis]

Elbrin prob town. Unpressurised fake claims are normally town on this site. Scum tend not to like putting the spotlight on them.
So he is now my strimgest town read.

[mozamis]

@ Alisae - sadly, still p16.

[mozamis]

Ok just speed reading thru, so gonna give out "gut reads".
Tywin postin too much for scum? Sure I said that sarcastically, but he really is sticking his neck out. Tempering my scum read

SSbm town? His p #455 giving reads, trying tentatively to work out set up, which seems town.

Jeez Sonia punctuate if you want to be read. But town since she is stream of consciousness? p459

Cloud is town. He is saying things as he sees them.

Cabd looks really town. Unfortunately, he is a good player, so that means nothing. Null.

Lapsa lurkery scum?

ITS THE OLD PROBLEM, THE THREAD IS PROBABLY NINETY PER CENT TOWN. I'm ALWAYS UP FOR LYNCHING LURKERS, SINCE HIGH PROBABLITY OF SCUM. Worst case you get rid of useless town.

Certainly out of the "big guns", I'd be most willing to take a punt on itus, who I am sure is more "one- linery" than she was. Lots of activity, but where are the stribg reads?

More to come after tea! I know you can't wait for more Mozza

[mozamis]

*TITUS

[mozamis]

People who arent posting/lurkers
LIL, NERO, NERFS, TRANSCEND.

Bound to be at least one scum here.

[mozamis]

And AJ

[mozamis]

Cabd, why do you think Pine is town again?

Thanks for posting and not lurking! (SARCASM)
Scummy.

[mozamis]

You left gamma off your lurker list because...?

P-edit: Yup

I'm speed reading, and made a mistake.
Yeah I forgot about him so I guess he is lurking.

[mozamis]

THink P.O.E is good way to go.
WE MUST NOT LYNCH SONIA OR CLOUD

[mozamis]

*crosses arms over chest*

I like none of the three biggest wagons. I would vote Gamma at deadline but *shrug* I don't feel it.

Alise I don't really feel is scummy either.

This doesnt seem very town Titus. Where are the strong reads, the Thatcher-esque call to arms, the brow beating of your opponents?

[mozamis]

UNVOTE

VOTE TITUS

[mozamis]

I'm up for the Gamma wagon as well, but only for reasons of lurkery.
Titus is scum, she's a shadow of her town self...

[mozamis]

Elbrin town seems relaxed and bantery - p573 "you know what quote tag, suck my ass" etc

Transcend weak town? Not much to go on but he seems to have a "dont give a damn" approach p595

AJ looks like town, based on vague memory. Not a strong read, but dont think he's lynch material.
Again, good reason for Titus scum, she got an Aj wagon up to three, wothout good reason as far as i can see.
Nero's activity a lot less than a few years ago, but that doesn't nec. mean much.
Still, his acvtivity his disappointing , so he is null.

Alisea's Nreo vote seems opportunistic. ANd then she unvotes...god knows...

[mozamis]

OK, caught up.

Town: Me, Sonia, Cloud.
Prob town: SSBm, ELbirn. Pine

Null: Cabd, AJ, Uzi, Nero, Gamma, Transcend, Nosferatu

Pos scum: Twin, Lapsa, Alisea

Scum: Titus.

[mozamis]

Moz glad to know that you're town.

Thanks, Buddy!

[mozamis]

Agree with Kyouko and the nulls. Convince me on Cloud.

The guy - to use his own qords - was "aggroing the whole town". Put himself right in the spotlight. Borderline VI. He's not scum.

[mozamis]

God, I have to use the PREVIEW feature.
*words

[mozamis]

People complain about walls, but then they post 30 times to say the one thing the wall could have.

[mozamis]

sorry ill yesterday
prod dodge
catching up today

[mozamis]

ah only another 30 pages to catch up then lol

[mozamis]

Actually, bollocks to it, I'm taking Tywin off my scum list, and into the town pile.
I criticised his wall posts, but in fairness they are chock full of analysis/opinions. (Stylistically I still prefer short posts but that's more personal taste, I guess).

[mozamis]

ah only another 30 pages to catch up then lol

The grind.

It's a tough life lol

[mozamis]

and without day talk, Titus can't reprimand Alisae for the blatant buddying. That will happen N1 IMO.

Yeah, townslip surely.

[mozamis]

I've never played a game of this size before and didn't want to ask in the thread because that looks like a forced townslip.

Confused. Town.

[mozamis]

. So I defended my townreads hardly. But now that a lot of people think that Titus is scum, I might as well stop my conf bias and look through her.

This is effing weak.

[mozamis]

I am vocal as fuck town

Yes you are. And you are not this game. Hence, scum.

[mozamis]

I'll fucking confirm this. I am flip floping at the moment. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know who the fuck is what.

This seems pretty over the top and fake confusion.
Happy to vote her if we can't get rid of Titus.

[mozamis]

Can definitely get down with Moza.

Oh get down with Moza, get down, get down!
*does small, self-conscious dance. Shuffles off*

[mozamis]

He hasn't shown any signs of backing down when presented with evidence showing why his argument is wrong. This is scummy.

Not really. Town can be obstinate as hell. If not more so than scum, who tend to back down 'cos they dont want an argument/piss anyone off.
Which is another reason why Tywin is prob town.

[mozamis]

first midterm of the week is done, so time to waste my time here instead of studying for the next one

Ah the essay crisis style procrastination! Happy days...

Though on a more serious note, please do something soon.

[mozamis]

Tywin's post 1279 just screams pissed off, frustrated town to me.
Been there so many times as town, he's innocent, and he's mad about it.
So yeah, he's town.
Shows putting pressure on people can yield results though.

[mozamis]

It's really bad and completely demoralizing. I had almost all weekend off, and I can't keep up with this thread. Do none of you have responsibilities or jobs?

I mean, if you are scum and can fabricate this kind of sadness and frustration, then you deserve a scummy...
Town.

[mozamis]

He's very obviously frustrated railroaded town.

Exactly. Town points for cabd.

[mozamis]

I can't believe I'm having to be the town dad

Oh hush, you LOVE IT

[mozamis]

just gonna VOTE: Cloud for that early interaction with Cabd; so awkward.

If there is another vote on Cloud, this is probably scum.

First sensible thing you've said.
But you must admit you're wrong about Tywin, yeah? Or you indeed scum pushing what (at the time) seemed an easy mis lynch?

[mozamis]

BUt yeah, lets keep an eye on NOSFERATU

[mozamis]

Both Kyouko and Alisae have been suspect in the last few pages for various reasons and out of the list of people available to be looked into, these two make the most sense for scum.

Seems independant, non sheepy thinking. Aj for town.

[mozamis]

We can basically assume Tran's replacement for town

Why? The guy basically did nothing. He has to be null.

[mozamis]

Yeah, because Tywin just attacks anyone. *shrug*

In fairness, he is also NEW. I didnt realise that until now. Which makes his behaviour as town even more explicable. Pretty sure i went utterly beserk first game i was myslynched.
THE INJUSTICE! lol
So yeah, the guy is now pretty much unlynchable.

[mozamis]

I'm done with this shit.

Dayvig: Tywin Lannister

Makes me think town. Scum tend not to do this.
Obviously, this "tell" is invalid for the rest fo the game.

[mozamis]

Moz, is there anything about Tywin that could make people think that he is scummy?

Not anymore. The guy should get an oscar if he's faking it.

[mozamis]

it's so bad and scummy that its something that no one in their right mind would do

I know what you mean. I thought about his vote for Tywin.
But ultimately, I think it's best not overthink it, and see it for what it probably is: scum panicking that their mislynch is getting derailed.

I guess that solidifies my thinking that Lapsa is scum.
Alisea looks better for essentially posting what i was thinking.

[mozamis]

*I thought THAT about his vote...
more haste, less speed...

[mozamis]

because I don't give a fuck.

Has whiff of town about it.

[mozamis]

Side convo: Mozamis you've called a LOT of people town (but waffled on me LMAO). Does your town list have tiers?

YOu've played enough games to know that most of the thread normally is town. One or two "big scummers" plus the rest llurking their way to victory...
Anyway, to get off my hobby horse...
I guess so.
I'm pretty much fully caught up so I'll five an updated, more specific reads list in 2 jiffs.
Whatever "jiffs" means lol

[mozamis]

His username sounds like a name of an actor to be honest.

Thanks for the prod dodge.
Are you scum?

[mozamis]

AM I REALLY ALONE IN KNOWING GOT?

I heard of the show, I just don't have HBOgo

Sorry, sorry.
You are posting...
Lots of useless fluff! So scum?

[mozamis]

So my biggest change is obviously Tywin, who is town.
Titus...aaaah, i dunno. She is voting Lapsa. Which seems town. But could be a bus. She still seems a pale imitation of town Titus.
Voting either Titus or Lapsa cant be bad anyway.

Alisea less scummy.

Cabd prob town. Gotta hope so, anyway. Surely even scum Cabd wouldnt be this involved.
Cloud and Sonia strong town.

Evryone else...weak town or null i guess.
Nero worries me a bit. Another strong player who is normally more "in-yer-face", if i remember correctly.
It's 3 Am so this isnt the best list ever.
But it's my stand out thoughts.
We should lynch:
TITUS, LAPSA, NOSFER, UZI.
Maybe some other lurker I've forgotten.
We should get Titus lynched though.

[mozamis]

Cabd prob town. Gotta hope so, anyway. Surely even scum Cabd wouldnt be this involved.

I probably would if with the right team; but you'll have to work with that paranoia anyways.

@SYR: Not Alignment Indicative

With guys like you, I work on the basis that it's madness to lynch, but obviously you are never cleared.
The paranoia's all part of the fun!

[mozamis]

Moz, if you dunno about Titus, why is your vote still on them? Don't you have stronger SRs?

Fair point, that was stream-of-consciusness stuff.
I think Titus is scum. It's just her vote on Lapsa is annoying, becuase Lapsa is prob scum too.
However, Titus is more than capable of bussing.
PARTICULARLY when she oh-so-clever-clever points out the fact that she could be bussing! Oh how we laughed!
So yeah she's scum.

[mozamis]

Oh, Alisea is new too.
That makes her more town. She seemed inconsistent early on, with a strange play style.
That now seems explicable in terms of "new and insecure".

[mozamis]

Is playing Mafia at 4Am a good life choice?
Head saying no, heart saying HELL YEAH!
*falls asleep*

[mozamis]

Not properly caught up. But it's the old problem - if a wagon (Lapsa) builds up steam quickly like this, prob means there is scum on it. So I'm liking it less.
Much rather Titus, who I'm pretty sure is scum.

[mozamis]

And yeah, that wagon is some bad company.
Lapsa cleared?

[mozamis]

Why is Lapsa at l-2 again? I want blood but if it's lurker blood I want nosferatu

Agree.
Tbh, I suspect many of the votes on Lpasa, including mine, are based on a vgue impression that he 1) lurked 2) opportunitic vote on Tywin.
But 2)...well, he could be rash town as well, so god knows.

[mozamis]

Hang on, I'm not voting Lapsa. But he was a scum read. You know what I mean!

[mozamis]

that was quick.
right, you fuckers. wtf happened?
Not very happy with Cabd,Skrana or Alisae. Cabd in particular obviously forfeits his town read.
anyway, catching up.

[mozamis]

Wait if the "vig" shot uzi who the fuck shot at scum? Either one kill got negated or something really fucking weird happened?!?

Something fairly weird happened. You out someone at L-2, wit h10 days to go, without suggesting you found them scummy?

(I'm going from memory. If there's a clear post from you saying "Yeah, lapsa a scum read", then apologies. But it still seems hasty.)

[mozamis]

Lets use this day to the max, to the very end. That's what pissed me off.

[mozamis]

Lmao I misread the cloud flip. Titus is confirmed town

Why?
And none of your "I cant discuss thsi now."

[mozamis]

*this now

[mozamis]

One of the last three - Cabd, Syrana, Alisae must be scum.
Simply wsnt a protwon way to lynch someone.
Or they are all morons.
I dont know the other two.
I do know Cabd is far from being a moron.
So the nightmare scenario of Titus Cabd scum team?

[mozamis]

While I'm catching up:

VOTE CABD

Yours pissed off,
Moz.

[mozamis]

Maybe read literally the post right after that one?

Maybe dont put someone at L-2 for no reason when you havent scum read them?

[mozamis]

Ok. I am confirmed town or evil doctor or SK then. I am town, but let's not used confirmed, when we mean highly probable.

Obviously, if you are confirmed by Cabd this means nothing?

Hang on, what am i saying?
LETS ALL TAKE CABD MINDLESSLY AT HIS WORD!

[mozamis]

Ok. I am confirmed town or evil doctor or SK then. I am town, but let's not used confirmed, when we mean highly probable.

If by highly probable, you mean "highly laughable", then yes.

[mozamis]

Why not shoot one of the stronger TRs like Cabd or something? Why not shoot me or Titus

Becuae you are all scum?
Ok, I'm not so sure about you, although my reads were piuss poor yesterday, so who knows.
But Cabd L-2 vote was really opportunistic and rash.

[mozamis]

I guess if he's scum not rash. But not methodical town Cabd.

[mozamis]

I REALLY wanna hear what's up from Syryana. I missed that whole sequence at the end of D1 where he claimed vigi multiple times

Agreed.
Syrana, what were doing, and why the L-1?

[mozamis]

Mod:Did Cloud know his scumbuddies?

Yes.

Ok, we should all be ISOing Cloud.

[mozamis]

I don't accept that it's just a random NK. Scum 'should' be smarter than that.

Not really. I mean, scum could be smart and still get it wrong.
Most people, me included thought Cloud was very town.
They probably took him out thinking he was town/never gonna get lynched.

[mozamis]

WE NEED TO SLW THE FUCK DOWN.
DO NOT LYNCH KYOUKU YET.
On the face of it, AJ makes a good point. But lets not get rail roaded by scum yet again.

[mozamis]

Sonia as scuM?
Seems unlikely as fcuk.

[mozamis]

Also once syr is here; I wanna talk setup spec because I have thoughts to bounce off of him.

Sure. Talk about your Lapsa vote first, though.

[mozamis]

He WASN'T the bona fide most town needed to be eliminated person, he was kinda fledgling middle. Cabd was my guess for dying tonight

He was very town read.
So was Cabd.
Why the fuck is Cabd still alive? Thoughts Cabd?

[mozamis]

Ok, I am basically swapping Cabd for Elbrin as my "super strong town" read for the day.
Everything he has said so far seems confused, uncertain, and basically is asking the right questions. He wants to clarify, not obfuscate.

[mozamis]

In post 1842, CloudKicker wrote:
Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

So Titus, tywin and Aj scum?
I can totally buy that.
Apart from the massive tywin and titus spat. Epic performance if so. I know Titus is capable of that sort of game. Anyone know Tywin's game? Is he good enough to pull of that kind of stuff?

[mozamis]

Literally impossible unless those three plus me are scum

ok, caught up and have calmed slightly.
I'll rescind my rage vote for now. His reason for voting Lapsa sounds OK. Plus, I really want him to be town. He has to be null I guess for a while. But seems more profitabke to concentrate on cloud kikers stuff.

UNVOTE

[mozamis]

Instead you keep asking stupid questions

Try and keep it civil though. I don't want to have to bring down the full weight of my mighty rhetoric on your charming shoulders

[mozamis]

although i think that grammar was shit lol

[mozamis]

OK time for another catch up. While I was thinking about the game today, in a calmer state of mind, I put Cabd back to a town read. Sure, his vote wasn't how I would have played it, but some people like reaction testing, and people play differently etc
Bottom line is: he's just so bloody town. Constantly posting, constantly thinking, speculating. You can tell he is living and breathing this game. I can see scum Cabd being good. But this good? Can't see it.
Plus, I just skimmed and like Elbrins point about why would he fake claim gun and clear Titus, thus chaining themselves together, and fucking their scum team over if one of them gets killed. Seems an uncessary gambit.
Which I guess means Titus does not have a gun.
She could be the Sk though.
To the catch up!

[mozamis]

Nobody has even evaluated Pine due to his extreme lurking,

Easy tiger. I got interupted during my catch up. But Pine has definitely gone down in my estimation.
He's certainly a possible scummer, he doesn't seem very pro town.

[mozamis]

More important is how hard he defended Tywin. That's where my vote is going.

VOTE: Tywin

Going for towncred if tywin flips town?
I defended Tywin too, so did a lot of people.
The guy has to be town.
I will seriously cry if he isn't. I mmean, the guy practically had a nervous breakdown when he was accused of being scum. Jack Nicholson, eat your heart out etc (contemporary reference lol)

V. Strong Town: Me, Cabd, Tywin.

Get back to the fucking game. A couple of jokes were fun, but a page of them is the kind of distraction that led to an 84-page D1.

Not seeing a lot of analysis from you. A few irrrelevant posts.
Beginning to worry that you are cruising off your strong early town read.

[mozamis]

Cabd and Titus could be scum together

They could be. How likely do you think it is, though?

[mozamis]

Not liking Nero very much.
He's another strong, experienced player who seems to be under performing.

I don't really plan on it.

Another town post from Alisea. She never seems to avoid the questions, she seems to be "free and easy". Innocent.

I mean I was completely wrong about all 3 flips so far

This seems very honest and town.

Shame about losing LUV's PR but he was really hard to place for me and I thought he was scum anyways so that's one less mislynch I'd be inclined to push today.

As does this, and echoes my thinking, and prob anyone who is town.

So SSBM in the town pile.

Then we have Alisae NK Uzi for no reason

Not true. He was lurking and had a whiff of scum. I'm sure pre his flip, she would have got a lot of backing for an Uzi vig.

not quite finished but brb

[mozamis]

hey a first vote on me!
It's nice to be noticed...
nd it's from Titus. As Agent Gadd from "The Americans" would say:
"Let me put on my BIG SURPRISE FACE"

[mozamis]

Okay so Alisae is confirmed SK. If she was vigi, she'd push against Syryana.

No she isn't. Maybe she knows she's telling the truth and thus doesn't need to call Syrana out on it?
Anyway, she is obv town, and once again you are just being emotional.

[mozamis]

I honestly believe you're scum. You've added nothing to the game, was on the Lapsa lynch, push for my lynch (I know I'm town) without reason, doesn't think things through about what info my flip will give if it flips town (and it will), doesn't look at Syryana or Alisae both claiming vigi, and has tried to derail the Kyouko wagon by going back to the easy mislynch (me).

Agree more about this.
Love to hear more from you Pine.

[mozamis]

You have Cabd as strong town but not titus.

Beacuse:
1) reasons of pride. I strong scum read all day yesterday. Looks like I was well out of court. Unless

2) She's Sk/ 3rd party with a bow and arrow etc

But yeah, she is unl;ynchable unless we can pin 3rd party for sure on her, which seems unlikely.

[mozamis]

@everyone not named me: Should suspected but not proven to be Vig/SKs be leashed or instantly lynched?

Interesting one.
Complete knee jerk reaction: lynch. Get rid of unstable elemnts, might get rid of anti town, might get info.
Leasing sounds dicey. Think I was in a game once where it was attempted and backfired. And it derailed the thread I think.

[mozamis]

So updated reads.

Unlynchable today:
Me, Cabd, Titus, Alisea, Tywin

Prob Town: SSBM, Elbirn, Sonia

Scummy: Nero, Pine, AJ

Null: Nos, Sky, Gamma

[mozamis]

VOTE NERO

[mozamis]

Too much to reply to while phoneposting from Xmas party. I will engage the tripe coming from Tyson and mozamis in a few hours

It is tripe with Holly on, I'll have you know. Let's keep it festive!

[mozamis]

Bollocks, forgot the "Pine didnt know Cabd was joking about Masons thing", which seemed a pretty good town tell.
Pine back to town then I guess. Still, be good to get more from him.

[mozamis]

Lapsa 5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Alisae, Elbirn)

Shit wagon

Well, he wasn't wrong.
On the basis 1)Pine town cos of Cabd/masons joke, 2)Titus cleared by Cabd, 3)Alisae just-seems-very-town+vigclaim+lolhammer
...you'd think scum might have hopped on, so Gamma and Elbirn.
Makes me move Elbirn back to null. And refreshes my memory as to Gamma being not great.

[mozamis]

I'm on an "educate new players"

You joined 15 days after me lol

[mozamis]

alright, another catch up...

[mozamis]

Unlynchable today:
Me, Cabd, Titus, Alisea, Tywin

This is as much for my bebefit as for anyone elses. Before I get lost in the fog. Everyone else is up for grabs. But those 5 are simply a no go, end of.

[mozamis]

On the Pine, thing,I still say his response/total confusion to Cabd joke on Day 1 looked really fucking town. Which means Pine (his OMGUS post against me notwithstanding) is still really fucking town.

[mozamis]

"This arbitrary list of 5 player names I picked out of a hat has to include scum because of fairy dust and child-dreams. I'm going to ignore any actual sense, logical thought, or work done by this player afterwards to take a mental diarrhea on them instead"

None of these were arbitray. I provided clear reasons for them.
Are you reading or just pressing buttons at random?
It looks like you dont like beong taken out of my town pile.

[mozamis]

@ Alisae if I were you, I would try and get consensus of people NOT to shoot.
i.e like the people in my town list, but from everyone. Or you know, a rough idea of who not to shoot.
Then use your best judgement of who to shoot out of the remaining.

[mozamis]

The only real answer is buckshot.

When are we planning on really getting back to wagoning people again?

When are you planning on posting analysis as opposed to vacuous guff?

[mozamis]

VOTE AJ

Nero still doesnt look great. But at least he has posted his opinions, as oppsed to AJ who HAS DONE DOTHING all game apart from posting eff all.

[mozamis]

ok then VOTE: Alisae.

why would scum fake clim vig and then have to deal with the bullshit the next day? IT's a nightmare fake claim.

[mozamis]

but it's also classic scum to fake fatalism.

Indeed, but to that extent? It was hardcore "I'm about to kill myself" frustration.

[mozamis]

See, this exchange is making me think Alisae is SK instead of Vig. SK is worried about other shooters, Vig is just part of Town.

Jury's still out though.

Think SK would be more concerned about blending in, i.e prob just not posting as much.
Her stream of consciousness stuff sounds town to me.

so did Cloud though...DOH!

[mozamis]

SSBM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
PLEASE.
PRESS ENTER.
TO SPACE OUT.
YOUR THOUGHTS.
LIKE.
THIS.
YOU ARE UNREADABLE AT PRESENT.
WITH LOVE,
MOZZA.

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Mozamis, why are you TRing Tywin so hard

Well, why are you scum reading me? Oh yeah, dleayed OMGUs, i forgot. Well done for that.
I have been clear on this. He is so frustrated town.

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A tywin lynch/shot also tells us a lot scumhunting wise right?

Maybe. But really. lynching for info is always dodgy, beacuse so often the onfo gets wifomed for shit.
e.g he flips town.
Do i get town read cos i town read him.
Or am i scum that was trying to get towncred?

Need to lynch who you think is scum, not some dodgy compromise.

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I mean, Christ, I barely undersant SSBM, but vague guess is town. At least he appears to be thinking about the game for himself.
So null- town.

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*understand

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Not lynching Titus, Alisae, Nosferatu, or Cabd today.

Why not Nos?
I admit, I dont have much to go on apart from his general lurkiness, but unlynchable? Dont get ya.

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Damn it, was just gonna say I'm not gonna read SSBM anymore, and i see he votes me.
Ah well, maybe I'll get to his posts later. But they are an effing nightmare of incoherence.

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Last ditch effort for scum to derail the wagon on the player they think is their traitor?

I thought the wagon was based on... not a lot.
What you are saying is wrong.

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Pretty much fully caught up, though i skimmed SSBM.
Not much has changed.
Sense a vague drift against me.
Which UTTER BALLS.
But yeah, still think AJ, nero are good bets.

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There's really nothing else to add to how dumb this is.

It's your over reaction that worries me. I thought Transcend made a good simple point, that it was a shit wagon at that time. (And as we know with hindsight, a shit wagon full stop.) Some of those people on it look really town to me (for reasons perv. stated). You not so much.
So you went to null.
So why your massive over reaction?

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lol freudian? *prev.

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it's my avatar lol

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So Moz, you gonna engage with me or are you simply happy to snark from the sidelines?

Hang on man, another mini catch up.

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Mozamis if your reads were any worse, I'd wonder if you were reading the wrong thread.

Or perhaps my reads are different from yours?
Or perhaps you are just scum talking shit?

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Mozamis' reads early in d2 were so bad I was ready to lynch him there.

Why didnt you vote for me then?
And at least i give out reads. You seem to revel in posting vacuous guff.

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Shit, keep forgetting, you're scum, thats part of your job description, fair enough, carry on!

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Are you townreading Tywin? If so, why?

The guy is playing out of his skin if he is scum.
I mean, OF COURSE HE COULD BE FAKING. But ya got play the percentages, and 99 times out of a hundred surely a player with that much rage, anguish and frustration is town.
So I'm not voting him today.
I suspect you're still recovering from your spat with him.Fair enough. Why not just put him in your neutral bag for now?

There's better candidates out there.

but I don't really want to do Moz.

he might be buddying but hurrah!

Sonia, SSBM, Elbrin seem like the best places for a scum lynch

I quite like this list as well. Sonia is slipping off my radar, as I slowly absorb my mistake about Cloud (i.e. people posting in a seemingly spontaneous manner doesnt always mean town).
Whatever. Certainly SSBM and Elbirn are lynchable.

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I'd like to state there's no way a vig shoots CK: we've got an SK on our hands.

Thanks for popping in! Any chance of some reads, some opinions?

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Fuck, I dont know about SSBM.

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Good to have a vote from you, at least.
To clarify my "stance" (which is glorifying ambiguity, if you like) on SSBM. It goes like this:
"Yeah the guy is a bit hard to follow and doesn';t seem massively pro town..and yet I prefer him a LOT to AJ"...
so there you go.
I think, on balance, I'd rather not lynch him.
It has the whiff of another Lapsa wagon, someone being voted off for not being strong town, rather than being scummy.
Lets get this AJ wagon, guy is opportunistic, trying to fan the flames of A SSBM lynch i reckon.
Right, unless faced with a direct question, I'm out as I am posting too much. And I've had too much coffee aaaaaaaaargh

@Nero damn you and a direct q.!
It was based on meta I guess. My memory of you was of a town leader, who posted a lot. And you seemed quiet...

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*good to have vote aimed at Gamma

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In fairnes I think you were scum who looked pretty effing town in the first game i pkayed with you ("Always Sunny in Philadephia maybe?) so maybe I am just wary.
In fairness, evry time you do post you are giving out reads and stuff, unlike AJ, so you're prob going up to null.
or your buddying as worked, damn you!
In fairness I need to stop saying in fairness.

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Mozamis you seem to fail to understand I've been scumreading Kyouko since yesterday.

You seem to think I'm dumb anyway (*bursts into Nirvana*)...
but humour an old man, why exactly?

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lol, I was scum in Philly but I was in a hydra

excellent, I still have a memory!
(it's sometimes in doubt these days...)

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Nero can die though.

why?

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I'm putting forth he should be "town-for-today"

I was thinking about him, and his whole fake vig claim seemed really town. I'm a broken record on this one, but those sort of "lol" claims are so often town.

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talking about Syrana.

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I find the Alisea Sk stuff a bit irrelevant. Her vig claim seemed really town. I can't really see her being an SK.
@ whoever said I was pushing Titus as SK. "Pushing" is massively overstating it. I begrudgingly had to withdraw my scum read of her. So shes either town or Sk. Pretty sure that was all i said. But pushing? No. Anyway, she's not scum and that's the priority today.
Anyway, am I going down today?
Bring it on, bitches!

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quick over view of my wagon : Pine, Titus - town OMGUsing me for me slagging them off earlier.
Alisea town.
Gamma? could be opportunistic scum, he's being neutral/scummy all game for me. But not sure.

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plans of annihilating the town!

MWUHAHA!

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Oh, in case i do go down. A new read, a 180 from me.
Not liking Sonia. I was thinking earlier she seems really "blendy", kinda nice and inoffensive, which obviously could go either way. But then there's her stuff about "sharing reads with Mozza" -which was news to me. Had the whiff of buddying. Since I had been "strong town" reading her all game. Makes sense from a scum perspective to keep me sweet. And then her voting for Nero, for no real reason.
Not sure there's a safer wagon than Nero, clearly has zero traction.
I think she's definitely a possibility.

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I'll probably just side-by-side iso SSBM and Mozamis soon as they're really the only two I'm interested in lynching today.

you must have other reads apart from just wanting to jump on the two obv wagons?

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@ Aj - give me something like Pine's ("Hello, I'm town) big reads post a few pages back (probationary people etc).
You don't seem willing to put your self out there.
If no one's willing to join me on lynching AJ, I'll guess I'll go for SSbm. Or Sonia.
I liked the way Elbirn didnt want to mindlessly lynch me, but instead wanted to get back to the Cloudkicker stuff. Which, in fairness none of us really have, including me. But it semed a pro town, thinking about the game sort of post.

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Well, what I am supposed to say? There is no case against me. Titus and Pine I pissed off early on, and they are OMGUsing.
No one else has given reasons. (going from memory) What are you reasons?

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And a major slide in my confidence in town-level for Aj and Tywin.

I dodnt see how AJ came out of that badly? If anything (just goin gon your post), Sonia llokked worse? What did i miss?

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Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

As you say though, this can be WIfomed both ways.
I think I maybe know where you are coming from thouhg - Cloudkicker being too clever by half?

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Yeah, come on lets lynch AJ. The guys a good player and yet time and time again he gives no original input. He's not trying to "solve the game" , or push it on. No justufactions for his reads.
Just an identikit "blend in" list of reads.
He's scum.

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@Aj so Nero's "prob town". Why?

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Well, maybe we should drop the SSBM lynch?

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Behold my lynch pool, yee mighty, and despair!

Ozymandias!

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Nero Cain
Nosferatu
Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic
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I think I would drop Nero and replace him with Sonia, but apart from that, yes, agree.

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This state of apathy is disgusting.

Disagree. We are getting somewhere. P.O.E is our friend.
Think we have ruled out Kyoku, so we are getting somewhere.

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VOTE: Mozamis

This day's too long in the teeth.

big surprise...
and no it isn't, we have another 7 days until deadline. What's your rush?

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Poor old scum. My wagon is mostly town i think. Props to AJ for finally growing a pair and voting to put me at L-1. But his poor scum buddies are bricking themselves now, cos one of them is gonna have to drop the hammer lol

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Hang on, got that wrong. Alisea has put me at L-1.
I'm VT.

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Yeah, i just wroked that pout vvia your ISO.
Ah well, I'm only VT who gives an arse?

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We should wait for Tywin and Sky and anyon else lurking/had probs with vacation access. Try and get AJ lynched by the WHOLE TOWN, not a rush job on me by nerovus town and jubilant scum rushing through another mislynch.

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MY P.o.E update:
So scum has to be in AJ, Nos, Gamma, Sonia, (Twyin? He has been stong town read of mine, but maybe i was gullible over his ATE?)
Gamma already on my wagon.
Soni and Tywin will get in a muddle if they vote me.
So my bet is that Nos will come in and whack down a lurkery/"lols" hammer "cos that the way he plays, fuck it, i didmnt really know what was going on, shit was he town, ah shame..."
If so lynch the fuck out of him.

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you don't think I'll vote you? Lol I'll happily vote you but you need to answer my question on how I went from prob town to scum

Away from the game, I was trying to think about who was the most "blendy". And that seemed you. Then I came back to the game and you came out with "yeah, moz shares most of my reads", which came out of nowhere.
*Poirot voice* Or not quite nowhere! I had a strong town read you all game. It suggested that you thought it was time to buddy up to me, to solidify my town read of you.
Plus, I realised my town read of you was largely base on your "spontaneous" posting style, which isn't really a strong enough reason.

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Give me enough rope...
(It's interesting, but I'm sure the more people post, the scummier people seem to find them. There must be a mafia theory about this somewhere...To do with paranoia i guess. And probably because the more you post, the more you probably end up slagging everyone off.)
So yeah, this will probably get me lynched, but fuck it.
Point being: there is an alternative to the Me vs AJ wagon.
And that's the lurker route. Tywin, Nero, Nos. They all seem to be a waste of space, and they are all possibly scummy.
Just putting it out there.

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or maybe it's just the way i post lol

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@ pine: just trying to get options going. And obviously, I don't want to get lynched. Just suggesting alternatives if no one is up for AJ. Your constant sniping at me is getting me down, becuase you are clearly town. You're fed up with me me because I criticised your lack of input a while back. You DID fade away, you DID lack input for a while.Perhaps for legitimate RL reasons. Whatever. Get over it, and get off my back. You've come back strong, and have are clearly town. We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn, and you know that. You have had your OMGUS revenge. Now drop it, move on, and let's WIN.

And you'll note, me suggesting lynching lurkers seems to have jogged Tywin and Nero into action.

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Gamma is obvious scum.

So are you pushing Gamma? Haven't heard a case from you on him.

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I think he's protesting too much. Al that rage over nothing... And he hasn't got time to post, and then comes in with a few big posts the moment i suggest lunching the lurkers? And votes AJ whilst admitting he does not even think AJ is scum? Do me a favour:

vote tywin

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VOTE TYWIN

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No one will bother. BUt if you look at any of my games as scu, you'll know i am shit as scum.
Anyway, It's almost 5 am here in the most depressing country on earth, so I'm off to bed.
I expect to be lynched in the morning.
Lynch Tywin tomorrow.
never lynch Pine.

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idiot
right i'm defintiely off to bed

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Like I said, the no kill was a tactical error, for which there was no excuse.

I straight up forgot to submit one.

well played Pine! I thought you were bloody good, tbh
despite what people are gonna say, very few people suspected you, good on yer

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Savage

Also i have no factual clue why moz claimed VT as mason

oh god not this again lol
its all in the dead thread.
WHAT NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT I AM HUMAN AND I NEED TO BE LOVED...er, i mean, i am human and i make mistakes. I thought i was protecting my mason buddy by claiming VT. I have been respectfully informed/butt raped in the dead thread to for great enlightenment.
Would have been good to have some mason buddies around, really....

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anyway, it got down to a nail biting finish, so i reckon it was a pretty well balanced, good game.
thanks people! enjoyed it

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Why the fuck would you claim that right away? Has site meta regarding Masons changed while I was gone?

damn you, Pine

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ironic lol