Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Music Box]

1) I didn't see him having votes at all I voted and then went back to work I came back and Lowell was lynched to my shock

So you dropped a vote close to deadline without even checking the gamestate?

[Music Box]

Sticking with this for now:

VOTE: Sesq

[nebula]

Sticking with this for now:

VOTE: Sesq

I don't disagree; but, why?

[Hawk]

NK has some ?? marks for me but I'll try and put a better finger on that in a second.

I definitely think Elena looks like a good candidate for scum sitting on the outside of that wagon. :/

But let me do some digging some things ping'd me because of this NK I just gotta figure out why

[Sesq]

You should be able to look it up fairly easy. I want you to say it.

Provide evidence for your assertions or die.

[nebula]

VOTE: Sesq

{Magna, Sesq}

Let's try and figure out the third. I'm thinking the Lowell wagon needed some extra help, so probably on it.

[Elena Fisher]

1) I didn't see him having votes at all I voted and then went back to work I came back and Lowell was lynched to my shock

So you dropped a vote close to deadline without even checking the gamestate?

Didn't check the deadline I voted and went back to work yes.

[Sesq]

VOTE: Sesq

{Magna, Sesq}

Let's try and figure out the third. I'm thinking the Lowell wagon needed some extra help, so probably on it.

Why's Magna scum?

[nebula]

I've stated why I previously had a scum read on him. His derailment of your wagon onto town!Lowell enhances it. You would have been the D1 lynch otherwise.

[Sesq]

I've stated why I previously had a scum read on him. His derailment of your wagon onto town!Lowell enhances it. You would have been the D1 lynch otherwise.

Nah, it was pretty 50/50 between us. Also, just because my wagon was "derailed" (or more likely, he changed his mind and others did as well) onto a town person (who i nullread, i should note). Also, this scumread is based on me being scum, which is the most unproven of unproven assertions out of you.

[nebula]

It wasn't 50/50. You were the leading wagon with no forward movement on either you or me. Upon deadline, you would have been lynched. That's just how things work.

I don't really care what you thought of the slot. Derailment requires the slot to be iffy, otherwise there will be too much resistance.

And, yes, you are scum. The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. The fact that you had the largest wagon D1 & so far are even D2 means that I'm not alone in that thought. Either way, you are an extremely informative lynch for me at this point.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Sesq

Last vote was an incorrect vote.

[PenguinPower]

Unvote, Vote: Sesq

Last vote was an incorrect vote.

Why was it incorrect?

[nebula]

Unvote, Vote: Sesq

Last vote was an incorrect vote.

Why was it incorrect?

^
Seems like this will be a common theme with wine and alts.

[Hiraki]

It was on Hawk.

[Sesq]

It wasn't 50/50. You were the leading wagon with no forward movement on either you or me. Upon deadline, you would have been lynched. That's just how things work.

I don't really care what you thought of the slot. Derailment requires the slot to be iffy, otherwise there will be too much resistance.

And, yes, you are scum. The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. The fact that you had the largest wagon D1 & so far are even D2 means that I'm not alone in that thought. Either way, you are an extremely informative lynch for me at this point.

Multiple logical fallacies:

" The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. " Reads as circular logic, as the derailment of my wagon means I'm scum, but it wouldn't have been derailed in your eyes if I weren't scum. Also, argument from popularity, which is not true. Also, "informative lynch" is not an excuse to tunnel someone when you have no logic for it.


And you haven't escaped my eye, Music Box.

[nebula]

It was on Hawk.

Yes. It was.

Why did you place an incorrect vote?

[nebula]

It wasn't 50/50. You were the leading wagon with no forward movement on either you or me. Upon deadline, you would have been lynched. That's just how things work.

I don't really care what you thought of the slot. Derailment requires the slot to be iffy, otherwise there will be too much resistance.

And, yes, you are scum. The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. The fact that you had the largest wagon D1 & so far are even D2 means that I'm not alone in that thought. Either way, you are an extremely informative lynch for me at this point.

Multiple logical fallacies:

" The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. " Reads as circular logic, as the derailment of my wagon means I'm scum, but it wouldn't have been derailed in your eyes if I weren't scum. Also, argument from popularity, which is not true. Also, "informative lynch" is not an excuse to tunnel someone when you have no logic for it.


And you haven't escaped my eye, Music Box.

Holy shit. This is not a game of logic. Can logic help? Yes. Should you base all your decisions on logic? F'no.

To entertain: Why would Magna derail a, plausibly, SvT wagon (where either you or I are scum) unless his partner was the most likely to be lynched? As an outside party, I would have pushed for one of us to be lynched.

"Also argument from popularity"....lulz. Just gonna say lulz. It's not an argument from popularity, it's the fact that no one (except scum) wants a NL, and history shows the leading wagon usually goes (unless derailed).

Also, and informative lynch is a very good excuse to tunnel someone. It should have been done D1. I was remiss - amongst others.

Only reason I think there is a hint of town in you is that neither of us is scum and they are enjoying this TvT. Not sold on that.

[Sesq]

It wasn't 50/50. You were the leading wagon with no forward movement on either you or me. Upon deadline, you would have been lynched. That's just how things work.

I don't really care what you thought of the slot. Derailment requires the slot to be iffy, otherwise there will be too much resistance.

And, yes, you are scum. The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. The fact that you had the largest wagon D1 & so far are even D2 means that I'm not alone in that thought. Either way, you are an extremely informative lynch for me at this point.

Multiple logical fallacies:

" The derailment of your wagon enhances my read on that. " Reads as circular logic, as the derailment of my wagon means I'm scum, but it wouldn't have been derailed in your eyes if I weren't scum. Also, argument from popularity, which is not true. Also, "informative lynch" is not an excuse to tunnel someone when you have no logic for it.


And you haven't escaped my eye, Music Box.

Holy shit. This is not a game of logic. Can logic help? Yes. Should you base all your decisions on logic? F'no.

To entertain: Why would Magna derail a, plausibly, SvT wagon (where either you or I are scum) unless his partner was the most likely to be lynched? As an outside party, I would have pushed for one of us to be lynched.

"Also argument from popularity"....lulz. Just gonna say lulz. It's not an argument from popularity, it's the fact that no one (except scum) wants a NL, and history shows the leading wagon usually goes (unless derailed).

Also, and informative lynch is a very good excuse to tunnel someone. It should have been done D1. I was remiss - amongst others.

Only reason I think there is a hint of town in you is that neither of us is scum and they are enjoying this TvT. Not sold on that.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHHA This is absolutely a game of logic, and your lack of it will get you thoroughly lynched by me. You have no logical reason to scumread me. You have admitted it and it will be well-known.

Nebula has scumread me for most of the game while admittedly having no logical reason to do so! Lynch this man!

I've said that Magna pushed for a Lowell lynch because he thought Lowell was scummiest-looking. Not implausible. Also, I find it interesting you're describing us as SvT. Also, what you said was an argument from popularity, as your context was in that because people agreed with you on me being scum, that means I'm scum, which is always a stupid argument. Also, you never made any point about No-lynch. Ever. This is out of nowhere.

Your informative lynch excuse is pointless. I could say the same about you, except beyond that I have actual logic and you have none, so I think you would be a better candidate.

Also, that last bit makes little sense. You're saying you have a slight townread on me because scum could be enjoying TvT? What?

[PenguinPower]

Wow. You either horrible town or just slightly bad scum. Coolios. Moving on. Appreciate Hiraki's and MB's response.

FYI - not going to devolve D2 into another D1, so I am legit not talking to you after that post.

[nebula]

Wow. You either horrible town or just slightly bad scum. Coolios. Moving on. Appreciate Hiraki's and MB's response.

FYI - not going to devolve D2 into another D1, so I am legit not talking to you after that post.

*sigh*

[Hawk]

I'm feeling Nebula is scum, he is lacking logic with Magna's derailment. Magna spent most of d1 pushing Nebula to no avail and for a large majority of the day except near the later half Sesq was not the largest wagon nebula was. Hiraki derailed that wagon with his stance against Toto that drug votes off of Nebula. This led to a lot of moving of votes but overall town not staying on Neb. Sesq remained the largest wagon mostly from idle sitting votes by MB, Uzi, and Lowell.

So yeah not really buying it Nebbie :/

[nebula]

Magna spent most of d1 pushing Nebula to no avail and for a large majority of the day except near the later half Sesq was not the largest wagon nebula was.

Spoiler: Um....no

Votecount 1.6

Votecount 1.6

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[1] BlueBloodedToffee - KainTepes
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[0] KainTepes
[0] Lowell
[1] Hiraki - Toto
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Riley Cake, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.7

Votecount 1.7

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[1] BlueBloodedToffee - KainTepes
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Elena Fisher, Toto
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.8

Votecount 1.8

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[2] Hiraki - Toto, KainTepes
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[4] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.9

Votecount 1.9

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[4] Hiraki - KainTepes, Toto, Sesq, MagnaofIllusion
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[2] nebula - Hawk, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.6

Votecount 1.6

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[1] BlueBloodedToffee - KainTepes
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[0] KainTepes
[0] Lowell
[1] Hiraki - Toto
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Riley Cake, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.7

Votecount 1.7

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[1] BlueBloodedToffee - KainTepes
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Elena Fisher, Toto
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.8

Votecount 1.8

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[2] Hiraki - Toto, KainTepes
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[4] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.9

Votecount 1.9

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[4] Hiraki - KainTepes, Toto, Sesq, MagnaofIllusion
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[2] nebula - Hawk, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.10

Votecount 1.10

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] lucca261
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[4] Hiraki - KainTepes, Toto, Sesq, MagnaofIllusion
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula, Lowell

[L-2]

[2] nebula - Elena Fisher, Hawk
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: lucca261

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Votecount 1.11

Votecount 1.11

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] lucca261
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula, Lowell, BlueBloodedToffee

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Elena Fisher, Hawk, Sesq, KainTepes, MagnaofIllusion
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: lucca261, Toto

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

[Sesq]

Nebula, how am I scum?

[nebula]

@Hawk: Also, Magna shopped Hiraki, me, and Lowell. Other than you at the beginning, that was it.