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[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.03

Contradiction (2)

Juri , momo ,

Trivium (1)

Dunnstral ,

boring (1)

hapahauli ,

projectmatt (1)

Trivium ,

Not Voting (6)

Contradiction , Impoetic , projectmatt , TheFuzzylogic99 , gerryoat , boring ,

Day two deadline is Thursday April 6, 7 PM PST. (expired on 2017-04-06 19:00:00).

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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[boring]

Of course it's a weird NAI thing to get stuck on.

You would have to burn me alive before I would lynch momo without an investigative role telling me otherwise, but momo is baaaaad town. If we're all sane here, we shouldn't be focusing on him and I'm getting suspicious that somebody just used him as a distraction.

Why is Momo town? And why bad town, at that? I recently witnessed him attempt a pretty clever gambit as scum in another game, so I'm not sure why we should write him off as bad anything.

[hapahauli]

UNVOTE:

Updates in an hour.

[hapahauli]

Yeeesh. I'm having a huge problem forming reads this game with the lurkers. I'll have to postpone things and read again. All I know for now is that boring's response is definitely not from mafia.

[momo]

Of course it's a weird NAI thing to get stuck on.

You would have to burn me alive before I would lynch momo without an investigative role telling me otherwise, but momo is baaaaad town. If we're all sane here, we shouldn't be focusing on him and I'm getting suspicious that somebody just used him as a distraction.

Why is Momo town? And why bad town, at that? I recently witnessed him attempt a pretty clever gambit as scum in another game, so I'm not sure why we should write him off as bad anything.

Not in the beginning but now days I play a pretty clever scum game. I almost pulled of a third party claim in the game boring is talking about. But my town game is just bad. People get caught up on my playstyle, never listen to my onpoint reads, and lynch me.

Trivium and everyone else has caught on to this.

WARNING: self meta

[gerryoat]

Triv can you answer my question

[gerryoat]

VOTE: contradict

[boring]

Not in the beginning but now days I play a pretty clever scum game. I almost pulled of a third party claim in the game boring is talking about. But my town game is just bad. People get caught up on my playstyle, never listen to my onpoint reads, and lynch me.

Trivium and everyone else has caught on to this.

WARNING: self meta

It would stand to reason that you'd have something to gain from playing up the "bad town" reputation, if you were scum.

Further, your reason for keeping your vote on Contradiction is worrisome. You have evidence that he is ThinkBig (someone I apparently read as scummy no matter what), so you have no reason to think he's faking being an alt. So "bad town" would serve as a good excuse to vote and keep your vote on lynchbait, while not being held accountable for your choices. If he's your buddy, then you have a discreditable reason to vote him and be ignored. If he's town, you have a moony reason to vote him and not look scummy when he flips town (assuming he gets lynched).

VOTE: Momo

[momo]

Not in the beginning but now days I play a pretty clever scum game. I almost pulled of a third party claim in the game boring is talking about. But my town game is just bad. People get caught up on my playstyle, never listen to my onpoint reads, and lynch me.

Trivium and everyone else has caught on to this.

WARNING: self meta

It would stand to reason that you'd have something to gain from playing up the "bad town" reputation, if you were scum.

Further, your reason for keeping your vote on Contradiction is worrisome. You have evidence that he is ThinkBig (someone I apparently read as scummy no matter what), so you have no reason to think he's faking being an alt. So "bad town" would serve as a good excuse to vote and keep your vote on lynchbait, while not being held accountable for your choices. If he's your buddy, then you have a discreditable reason to vote him and be ignored. If he's town, you have a moony reason to vote him and not look scummy when he flips town (assuming he gets lynched).

Come on. It is general opinion of those who have played with me. M8, I honestly think the slot is scum.

[momo]

Not in the beginning but now days I play a pretty clever scum game. I almost pulled of a third party claim in the game boring is talking about. But my town game is just bad. People get caught up on my playstyle, never listen to my onpoint reads, and lynch me.

Trivium and everyone else has caught on to this.

WARNING: self meta

It would stand to reason that you'd have something to gain from playing up the "bad town" reputation, if you were scum.

Further, your reason for keeping your vote on Contradiction is worrisome. You have evidence that he is ThinkBig (someone I apparently read as scummy no matter what), so you have no reason to think he's faking being an alt. So "bad town" would serve as a good excuse to vote and keep your vote on lynchbait, while not being held accountable for your choices. If he's your buddy, then you have a discreditable reason to vote him and be ignored. If he's town, you have a moony reason to vote him and not look scummy when he flips town (assuming he gets lynched).

Come on. It is general opinion of those who have played with me. M8, I honestly think the slot is scum.

EBWOP

[mhsmith0]

Impoetic has been prodded.

[boring]

Wow, so projectmatt hasn't done anything but prod dodge since May 18th. That's almost 2 weeks at this point.

Can we replace him?

[gerryoat]

Think he said he had a busy week or something. But, yeah half this game is afk

[Dunnstral]

Not in the beginning but now days I play a pretty clever scum game. I almost pulled of a third party claim in the game boring is talking about. But my town game is just bad. People get caught up on my playstyle, never listen to my onpoint reads, and lynch me.

Trivium and everyone else has caught on to this.

WARNING: self meta

It would stand to reason that you'd have something to gain from playing up the "bad town" reputation, if you were scum.

Further, your reason for keeping your vote on Contradiction is worrisome. You have evidence that he is ThinkBig (someone I apparently read as scummy no matter what), so you have no reason to think he's faking being an alt. So "bad town" would serve as a good excuse to vote and keep your vote on lynchbait, while not being held accountable for your choices. If he's your buddy, then you have a discreditable reason to vote him and be ignored. If he's town, you have a moony reason to vote him and not look scummy when he flips town (assuming he gets lynched).

VOTE: Momo

You lost me with this post

[mhsmith0]

Juri has been prodded, projectmatt did not substantively respond to prod and is being replaced.

[gerryoat]

All the EM people are leaving. I should too (jk)

[Dunnstral]

All the EM people are leaving.

Maybe now we can have a real game

[Trivium]

Honestly I hate it when people ask for a person to be vigged,,,,,, I find it scummy as they want a person dead but at not willing to place a vote on a person. Can you tell me why this is a town quote,,,,

It looks like you're trying to get pressure off him. Which partners would do

UNVOTE: gerryoat
VOTE: projectmatt

Wut is this thought process. You say how dark slot and fuzzy look scummy then vote pjm??

I know pjm said he was having a rough week, but I'm voting a lurker because I feel unsure about other people. I only recently realized I was tunneling you with my thought process and had to take a step back and re-read. Pjm is more likely to be scum than anyone else, in my opinion. I'll post why in my next post, hang on a sec.

[Trivium]

Spoiler:

@Impoetic, who would you consider to be the scummiest here?
I wanted to get Alisae's reaction because I thought one of their opening posts was tonally kind of strange. I might have a light TR on them now.

Their attempts at scumhunting seem genuine, and match the kind of thought process that I currently have. I think you and him are most likely both town, and you're an easy target that Transcend might be jumping on, but I'm not sold on Transcend being scum yet. Is it solely because Transcend is voting you that you scumread him?

Oh, yeah. I remember now. I'm still not concerned unless your scumread is totally sincere and continues on into later in this game. That said though, I don't currently have a townread on you in the first place.

Also, I have no meta on Dunnstral.

why do you label 149 as TRASH

that's basically all my reads to this point summed up

the reads come off as REALLY REALLY forced to me and i have trouble believing that he has such incredibly solidified reads within 6 pages of the game,and his reasoning is super vague on top of that.

it doesn't make him confscum, but it's a bad post.

Both Trivium's and Jae's responses are super shitty, especially because your post/rationale was really bad. In particular, I think Trivium's is worse because he says "I think I see what you mean" as though you just imparted some sage monk wisdom as opposed to just stated an illogical read.

That makes me feel better about my vote on Trivium.

I wrote this

that sounds really cryptic and stupid. I dislike that pjm and alisae are both on the wagon, I'm a little worried about darklyn sheeping. I was wrong about PJM's unvote being inexplicable earlier and was wrong to vote there because it leaves the big ball of conflict alive. Nancy I don't have my qualms with either about. I still think pjm is potential mafia.

right before PJM asked this

impoetic what changed between you voting me and you voting nancy? what were you wrong about? i think youre town so walk me through this

trivium is fake and i guess i can tryhard and make an EffortPost on him if i need to

and it's not the first time he's asked a question that didn't look like it needed an answer

okay no wtf this is a question that i actually really wanted you to answer because your thoughts make no sense to me. i still want you to answer.

anyway i initially voted trivium because they asked a question that seemed super silly to me and their reads came off as hillariously forced, particularly in a post early on where he confidently nailed me, alis, and transcend as scum but didn't elaborate on any kind of logic. it seems/seemed heavily like he was just making stuff up and forcing as much content as he could.

Then, when Alis did his reaction test thing where he scumread me, Trivium said "I think I see what you mean", and I can't read that as anything but him trying to jump on Alis's obviously badly done scumread.

ATM he hasn't towntold to me personally since any of those things have happened. The closest thing to a towny moment was the conversation between him and Alis a page or so ago, and even then, I'm quite wary.

Doing this because I don't want to mess with quotes. I'll jsut screw it up if I try.

[Trivium]

Okay, so I'm going to change what I just said taking a solid look at this UNVOTE: projectmatt my main issue with him was that he seemed really iffy on his beginning posts and I thought his vote on me was crap. Then I realized that pjm just has a different style: whereas, I like to (at least act like) I have solid town and scum reads on people even early on in the game, pjm prefers to play it safer with light scumreads, null-town reads, stuff like that. That sort of reading generally pings me as scum, but in all honesty it's probably because I just don't play that way myself. I realized this reading into his posts, really all of the posts I was about to talk about are consistent with his light reads thing, and that consistency kind of cleared things up. Pjm doesn't do more than soft reads, and doesn't think it's towny when other people throw crap at each other to see what will happen. Normally I'd think that type of play is super scummy, but the consistency is what convinces me this is just his type of play rather than a particularly scummy one.

[Trivium]

Number 56 seems to really be the only one that still gets me though. Not only does he seem confident with his reads in a way he isn't normally, but it also seems like a buddying attempt and super manipulative, which stands out particularly because it's a pjm post. Town pjm probably wouldn't be so confident with a those reads. Transcend also ended up being town, and even with pjm's style, (and it could just be his style) I'm not totally sold that he didn't know transcend was town here, it would make sense for him to.
Mulling all of this over in my head, I guess I'd be ok with voting pjm if it came down to it, because I've been wrong about things like this before, especially going back on myself in the exact way that I am now. If transcend is still reading this game, he'll know what I'm talking about.

[projectmatt]

Hey, I did respond to the prod! Since I was inactive for quite a while, I do understand if you decide to replace me.

What happened was that in the last few weeks a whole bunch of personal stuff happened at once that has made it a lot more difficult for me to be able to play this game properly - if I foresaw it happening I wouldn't have joined, I am sincerely sorry about my inactivity.

I have a couple of hours of free time tomorrow so I WILL catch up and collect my thoughts and begin contributing again, and if I don't post at all tomorrow, you're welcome to replace me.

[boring]

Number 56 seems to really be the only one that still gets me though. Not only does he seem confident with his reads in a way he isn't normally, but it also seems like a buddying attempt and super manipulative, which stands out particularly because it's a pjm post. Town pjm probably wouldn't be so confident with a those reads. Transcend also ended up being town, and even with pjm's style, (and it could just be his style) I'm not totally sold that he didn't know transcend was town here, it would make sense for him to.
Mulling all of this over in my head, I guess I'd be ok with voting pjm if it came down to it, because I've been wrong about things like this before, especially going back on myself in the exact way that I am now. If transcend is still reading this game, he'll know what I'm talking about.

I dunno. 56 stands out to me because 191 exists. I realize they aren't in direct contradiction, but they seem strangely incongruous.

[boring]

I just realized that there must be a scum in Hapahauli, Impoetic, Contradiction, and Dunnstral.

They are the unconfirmed town on Frogger's lynch. Throw me in if you must because Crash was on it.

I think Hapa's response to my response was the clincher for him being my town read. He could have kept tunneling pretty easily.

That narrows my POE down to Dunnstral, Impoetic, and Contradiction.

[Trivium]

Yeah, that's part of it as well. he just so happens to get a much stronger scumread on transcend, for reasons that seem like probably not enough. I feel like he would probably not have had as strong townreads or as strong a scumread on transcend if he was town.

Aside from the game, I'm really sorry to hear you're having personal problems, matt. I hope they clear up in whatever way you need them to.