In post 1167, Not Chara wrote:Tywin, i know you're pissed off about this, but calm down. i read the damn exchange. my read on Majiffy changed because of it and because there are players i'm SRing more now, he was a weaker early-game SR.
i didn't have anything else to say about the exchange because it was difficult to follow for me. i don't know what else i can say. so i gut-read from it and then moved on to exchanges that would actually allow me to form some reads i can rely on.
i'm not 'owning an SR'. i'm refuting zefiend's point that he was the first player to say something concrete about Majiffy. that's really it.
as for arguments about wagons receiving opposition vs. non-opposition: not something i look at day 1. i've been town and wagoned for a while in games. my pushers would always cite 'lack of opposition' as a reason for me to be scum, because scum were saving me for lategame or thinking there were better targets. or just defending me.
No, you're right. I was a bit out of line with that response. I don't SR you anyways, so your exact stance on it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. I honestly didn't realize Zef had made a previous case on Majiff until after I voted there and saw the vote count. So there were three including me, and I forgot who the other player was. I assume it was you? So that's my fault for not paying attention anyways.
The reason I'm all uppity about the exchange between Majiff/me was that it was given lots of excuses and hand waves, which doesn't look right. Even if it's TvT, there was a lot of content to at least get better reads on both of us. Too many said it was SvT (scum being me) though, and aside from the point about Majiff naturally exaggerating, I didn't see my points as being inherently scummy. My frustration was questioned by you, a few others questioned my tunnel vision, and others just ignored it and said their eyes glaze over when they see it. It's all understandable to a certain point, but clumsy/Maria didn't have great cases on them either, yet people want to lynch there and refused to go near me or Majiff (for the most part). I know others see the difference in pushback here.
Isn't it likely that if too many people are eager to lynch anyone on D1, then those lunches are probably not scum? Almost: you said you were in a game where all the wagons were on scum. What was the pushback like? Who defended who from your memory? What did scum do? Idk if I've ever seen a smaller game like this lynch scum on D1. It's only happened in huge games where the lynch was decided by the highest voted player by a deadline over a majority lynch.